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What we need is a reasonable straight black male candidate to run as Independent.  That's not a dig at how it would fock the Dems, but rather as being the only likely scenario that would receive a large enough percentage to make a third party viable. 

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2 minutes ago, DonS said:

What we need is a reasonable straight black male candidate to run as Independent.  That's not a dig at how it would fock the Dems, but rather as being the only likely scenario that would receive a large enough percentage to make a third party viable. 

Would help if he was unimpeachable Christian, in a moderate way, to poach some righties too.

Would have to be a moderate.

The problem is, he'd have to be a focking choir boy. The media would come at him full bore.

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1 minute ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Would help if he was unimpeachable Christian, in a moderate way, to poach some righties too.

Would have to be a moderate.

The problem is, he'd have to be a focking choir boy. The media would come at him full bore.

That's why he has to be a minority. Would MSM hit him as hard?  Free for all for a white dude, but any criticism of a minority candidate could be quelled by shouting RACIST!!!! 

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8 minutes ago, DonS said:

What we need is a reasonable straight black male candidate to run as Independent.  That's not a dig at how it would fock the Dems, but rather as being the only likely scenario that would receive a large enough percentage to make a third party viable. 

I think with that scenario what would happen is you’d have 90% of minorities that aren’t black voting Democrat, 90% of whites voting Republican and 90% of blacks voting their new third party and it wouldn’t be because any ideological reasons. 

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33 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Ideally you'd need both parties to split at once basically.

The Democrats split amongst the lines you stated. Moderates vs. Moonbats.

The Republicans would need to split along similar lines, moderates vs. Hardcore social conservatives.

That's obviously unlikely.

The problem with most of the third parties currently is that they are fringey. The one most likely to make noise would be a true, moderste, centrist party that would steal votes from both of the big 2 parties.

You would need some very well respected guy with some celebrity and a butload of money behind him. 

I don't disagree, but you're still going to end with 2 parties in your scenario.  If the classic liberals and socialist split and the moderate republicans and nut jobs split, then you're going to end up with most people constantly voting for the classic liberals and moderate republicans resulting in the socialists to drop off.  What'll end up happening is that the nut jobs will fall back in line with the moderates and we'll be back to 2 parties.

 

As for your last sentence, as far as the left is concerned, there's no such thing as viable rich white guy.  They will vilify him at every turn.  Even a white woman will be attacked.  If it's a black man, he'll be considered an Uncle Tom, et al.  If it's a black woman, she's going to be a democrat because there's no such thing as a wealthy, conservative, black, woman.  Brings me back to my point, in order to have a viable candidate, that person needs to be a unicorn.  Good luck finding that.

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51 minutes ago, MDC said:

I wasn’t worried about Gary Johnson winning. 

I certainly understand that, but he was a such a bad candidate that virtually no one took him seriously, meaning the republicans and democrats.  At voting time, all both sides are going to do is try and take the non-R/D candidate votes.  That's not going to help the cause.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

I certainly understand that, but he was a such a bad candidate that virtually no one took him seriously, meaning the republicans and democrats.  At voting time, all both sides are going to do is try and take the non-R/D candidate votes.  That's not going to help the cause.

I feel like any vote for a 3rd party candidate makes 3rd party candidacy in general a more viable option. My other option was to not vote at all but I wanted a voice in state / local elections. I live in a swing state and don’t regret it at all, even when people try to tell me that Trump sucks worse than Hillary would have sucked. I am not going to vote for that kind of candidate.

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48 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

I think with that scenario what would happen is you’d have 90% of minorities that aren’t black voting Democrat, 90% of whites voting Republican and 90% of blacks voting their new third party and it wouldn’t be because any ideological reasons. 

 

No, what will happen is black media personalities will call the candidate and Uncle Tom, or a Coon, or something else.  It will spread throughout the rank and file and he will be completely un-electable.

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6 minutes ago, MDC said:

I feel like any vote for a 3rd party candidate makes 3rd party candidacy in general a more viable option. My other option was to not vote at all but I wanted a voice in state / local elections. I live in a swing state and don’t regret it at all, even when people try to tell me that Trump sucks worse than Hillary would have sucked. I am not going to vote for that kind of candidate.

The problem is that it's been like that for decades, not 2 years.

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What the left has created, over the last decade, is people are being forced to the extremes instead of pulling them into the middle.  A 3rd party candidate has a much less of chance in today's climate than ever before.

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What the left has created, over the last decade, is people are being forced to the extremes instead of pulling them into the middle.  A 3rd party candidate has a much less of chance in today's climate than ever before.

Obviously I'm a bit out of touch with american politics anymore. But I gotta figure that there are a lot of people like me out there that are former Democrats disgusted with what they've become.

There is room for a slightly left of center party. Right now we have a right of center party, and a batsh!t left party. 

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The problem is that it's been like that for decades, not 2 years.

And now that I am a little older I’ve come to realize two things:

 

1) On the big ticket items that matter most to me there is very little real lasting difference between the two major parties. Things may get slightly better or worse but it’s mostly the same basic agenda.

2) Without fail every election cycle the two parties will make the case that while their candidate sucks the other one sucks even worse.

Continuing to vote for either party no matter who they put forth just encourages 1 & 2. 

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10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

No, what will happen is black media personalities will call the candidate and Uncle Tom, or a Coon, or something else.  It will spread throughout the rank and file and he will be completely un-electable.

This is more than likely true. 

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Voting third party in hopes of changing the world one man at a time is just a waste of time. Not gonna happen in today’s society of extremes with social media and clickbait controlling everything. 

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Just now, tanatastic said:

Voting third party in hopes of changing the world one man at a time is just a waste of time. Not gonna happen in today’s society of extremes with social media and clickbait controlling everything. 

Probably true. But voting for the red or blue stuff corporate shill corrupt piece of crap sure isn't going to change anything.

Our system is broken. Utterly. I cringe when I hear US politicians act high and mighty about democracy anymore. Ours is a joke. 

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7 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

You wold prefer the Ross Perot one instead?  😖

Perot wasn't the joke Gary Johnson is.  

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

And now that I am a little older I’ve come to realize two things:

 

1) On the big ticket items that matter most to me there is very little real lasting difference between the two major parties. Things may get slightly better or worse but it’s mostly the same basic agenda.

2) Without fail every election cycle the two parties will make the case that while their candidate sucks the other one sucks even worse.

Continuing to vote for either party no matter who they put forth just encourages 1 & 2. 

I agree with this 100%

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19 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

The problem with most of the third parties currently is that they are fringey. The one most likely to make noise would be a true, moderate, centrist party that would steal votes from both of the big 2 parties.. 

I respectfully disagree.  

Obama was not a traditional liberal, and Trump was not a traditional Republican. They are as close to 3rd party as we have seen. And I will shout from the rooftops that Trump is the most moderate President we have had since Clinton. Both needed and need certain policies to appeal to the fringe of their party, but in general they are moderates. Both are hated by the opposite party (and perhaps their own party) more than other Presidents. Why? As moderates they are truly dangerous to the structure.  They aren't beholden to the system.  Moderates are treated worse up and down the line. Not treated as poorly as Libertarians though. 

A 3rd party candidate will come from a belief system.  OSC is a 3rd party candidate, running under the guise of a Democrat.  Rand Paul is 3rd party.  Neither is moderate in the traditional sense.

 

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19 hours ago, MDC said:

I feel like any vote for a 3rd party candidate makes 3rd party candidacy in general a more viable option. My other option was to not vote at all but I wanted a voice in state / local elections. I live in a swing state and don’t regret it at all, even when people try to tell me that Trump sucks worse than Hillary would have sucked. I am not going to vote for that kind of candidate.

That’s Gold Jerry! Gold!!!

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32 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

I respectfully disagree.  

Obama was not a traditional liberal, and Trump was not a traditional Republican. They are as close to 3rd party as we have seen. And I will shout from the rooftops that Trump is the most moderate President we have had since Clinton. Both needed and need certain policies to appeal to the fringe of their party, but in general they are moderates. Both are hated by the opposite party (and perhaps their own party) more than other Presidents. Why? As moderates they are truly dangerous to the structure.  They aren't beholden to the system.  Moderates are treated worse up and down the line. Not treated as poorly as Libertarians though. 

A 3rd party candidate will come from a belief system.  OSC is a 3rd party candidate, running under the guise of a Democrat.  Rand Paul is 3rd party.  Neither is moderate in the traditional sense.

 

Perhaps you're right.

I am just flabbergasted by the Dems these days though. Like, how do they not see that this crap is simply not gonna fly?

AOC is a complete focking moron, and she's become the leader of the damn party. I guarantee they plan on her being president one day down the line.

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35 minutes ago, 12th Man said:

That’s Gold Jerry! Gold!!!

 

What’s on top for the weekend incel? Gonna spy on a yoga class and imagine shooting the joint up?

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38 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Perhaps you're right.

I am just flabbergasted by the Dems these days though. Like, how do they not see that this crap is simply not gonna fly?

AOC is a complete focking moron, and she's become the leader of the damn party. I guarantee they plan on her being president one day down the line.

she would run this year and win the nomination if she was old enough

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2 hours ago, RaiderHater's Revenge said:

she would run this year and win the nomination if she was old enough

 

You know what, I don't think she would.  I do think there is a pull towards socialism from the left, but I think it's small... like 20%, but it's a loud/vocal 20%.  If she were able to run, I think the older crowd would crush her.

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2 hours ago, RaiderHater's Revenge said:

she would run this year and win the nomination if she was old enough

There are certain occasions where Hillary pulls the trigger herself.  This would be one of them.

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5 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

What will you guys do if he loses 2020? Real question.

I didn't vote for Trump, and won't next time either, but I'm gonna guess most Trump supporters would just continue living their lives and hope for the best for America, as they did when obummer was Pres.  The left are the ones going bat sh*t crazy over Trump.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

I didn't vote for Trump, and won't next time either, but I'm gonna guess most Trump supporters would just continue living their lives and hope for the best for America, as they did when obummer was Pres.  The left are the ones going bat sh*t crazy over Trump.

We are living in the extreme era now, I think the pendulum will swing the other way like it did here.

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45 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

What will you guys do if he loses 2020? Real question.

Go to work, pay my bills. Complain on a lightly trafficked message fantasy football message board. 

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3 hours ago, tanatastic said:

We are living in the extreme era now, I think the pendulum will swing the other way like it did here.

 

Nope, Strike is right.

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12 hours ago, Strike said:

I didn't vote for Trump, and won't next time either, but I'm gonna guess most Trump supporters would just continue living their lives and hope for the best for America, as they did when obummer was Pres.  The left are the ones going bat sh*t crazy over Trump.

Yep.  

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22 hours ago, MDC said:

 

What’s on top for the weekend incel? Gonna spy on a yoga class and imagine shooting the joint up?

1/10

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4 hours ago, wiffleball said:

If he's not in jail, maybe Trump will make Ivanka his new running mate.

Cool avatar bro. 

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On 2/8/2019 at 11:48 AM, tanatastic said:

What will you guys do if he loses 2020? Real question.

I am prepared for either scenario, just as I was prepared for a Hillary or Trump win. You should try it and your vote will easy next election,

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On 2/8/2019 at 11:53 AM, Strike said:

I didn't vote for Trump, and won't next time either, but I'm gonna guess most Trump supporters would just continue living their lives and hope for the best for America, as they did when obummer was Pres.  The left are the ones going bat sh*t crazy over Trump.

Well I am kicking butt under Trump whereas I was working my butt off just to tread water under Obama.

It is kind of narrow minded to say you will vote for anyone but Trump when it is close to 2 year away from the next election.

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