Mike Honcho 4,010 Posted February 13, 2019 Quote feel-good story involving a local caddie in Mexico who worked for Matt Kuchar during his victory last fall at the Mayakoba Classic has turned into a dispute over how much the temporary caddie should have been paid. David Giral Ortiz told Golf.com that he was paid $5,000 by Kuchar, who won for the first time in four years and earned $1,296,000 for the victory. Social media reports began surfacing last month when Kuchar was in contention for -- and eventually won -- the Sony Open in Hawaii that suggested Kuchar had paid the caddie, who goes by the name El Tucan, $3,000, well below what a regular caddie would make for being on the winning bag. Customary to pay a 5% of winnings, 10% for a top 10 finish, and maybe a little extra for a win. Kuchar would have paid his regular caddie 130,000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted February 13, 2019 Were they playing Tranquility Bay CC? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 13, 2019 Do they have caddies on the moon? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,010 Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said: Do they have caddies on the moon? yes---Lunar Module Captain Edgar Mitchell was one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanil 519 Posted February 13, 2019 Great pick @Cloaca du jour Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,547 Posted February 13, 2019 Imagine being stiffed by Tiger? you'd walk funny for a week. Lets ask KSB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,285 Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Filthy Fernadez said: Do they have caddies on the moon? This is one board standard that will always be funny to me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,593 Posted February 13, 2019 That guy probabaly still has his bah mitzvah money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,064 Posted February 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, Kanil said: Great pick @Cloaca du jour Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 927 Posted February 14, 2019 http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/matt-kuchar-somehow-defended-his-embarrassingly-low-payment-to-caddie-after-dollar12m-win/ar-BBTyUiK?ocid=ientp Matt Kuchar confirmed Wednesday that he did pay his Mayakoba caddie $5,000 and defended the payment as "fair and good." "Making $5,000 is a great week," he said. @WillGrayGC with more from Kuchar Um, no not really. Not when you make 1.3 million Don't really expect him to give the 10% like he would to his normal caddy. But 5% would be fair, 7 or 8 would be generous. He gave 0.38%. Yikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,593 Posted February 14, 2019 Mazel Tov! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,064 Posted February 14, 2019 1.3 mil...after taxes is what? Around 800k? Not defending kooch.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,547 Posted February 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said: 1.3 mil...after taxes is what? Around 800k? Not defending kooch.. Good point. Golfing sucks. He should quit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted February 14, 2019 Apparently, they worked out payment in advance with an increasing amount depending on where he finished. The caddie agreed to it before the tournament. Still a cheapskate, but didn't stiff the caddie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted February 14, 2019 From the story.... Quote Kuchar said he told Ortiz he would pay him $1,000 if he missed the cut, $2,000 if he made the cut, $3,000 if he had a top-20 and $4,000 if he had a top-10. "The extra $1,000 was, 'Thank you - it was a great week.' Those were the terms. He was in agreement with those terms. That's where I struggle. I don't know what happened. Someone must have said, `You need much more.'" I struggle with this one.......I am assuming this dude didn't have a normal caddying gig, so he was probably thrilled with the deal offered. Then consider that Kuchar missed the cut 16% of the time last year, and the caddie gets nothing if that happens, which would have really sucked on a one off gig. Obviously the best thing would have been for Kuchar to offer a much better deal up front.....But based on the deal, the guy was owed $4k and he got a 25% bonus. If he had doubled the deal and gave the guy $8k, we still rip him. Shiiit, if he upped it from $4k to $50k, many would have still called him cheap. My judgement is Kuchar did nothing wrong here, but he missed out on a layup opportunity to do a really cool thing for someone that very few would have whiffed on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted February 14, 2019 He paid him 96,791 pesos. That's a shitload of pesos. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,950 Posted February 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, cbfalcon said: From the story.... I struggle with this one.......I am assuming this dude didn't have a normal caddying gig, so he was probably thrilled with the deal offered. Then consider that Kuchar missed the cut 16% of the time last year, and the caddie gets nothing if that happens, which would have really sucked on a one off gig. Obviously the best thing would have been for Kuchar to offer a much better deal up front.....But based on the deal, the guy was owed $4k and he got a 25% bonus. If he had doubled the deal and gave the guy $8k, we still rip him. Shiiit, if he upped it from $4k to $50k, many would have still called him cheap. My judgement is Kuchar did nothing wrong here, but he missed out on a layup opportunity to do a really cool thing for someone that very few would have whiffed on. I read that this caddie regularly caddied at this particular golf.course and made around $200/day doing so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted February 14, 2019 With CBF on this. If he throws him something after the win, even if its 25 or 50k, you can argue its cheap but at least he acknowledged the win and the caddies effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,950 Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, patweisers44 said: With CBF on this. If he throws him something after the win, even if its 25 or 50k, you can argue its cheap but at least he acknowledged the win and the caddies effort. He gave the guy 25% more than the max they agreed on. He DID acknowledge the win. It's still extremely cheap and he deserves any grief he gets IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Strike said: He gave the guy 25% more than the max they agreed on. He DID acknowledge the win. It's still extremely cheap and he deserves any grief he gets IMO. Agreed. Especially when you factor in that Matt Kuchar is hardly hurting for $$. He could have given this dude $100k and would have never missed it.... Given the PR hit Kooch has taken, I bet he wishes he had gone about it differently... That was one expensive $5000 gesture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted February 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, Cruzer said: Agreed. Especially when you factor in that Matt Kuchar is hardly hurting for $$. He could have given this dude $100k and would have never missed it.... Given the PR hit Kooch has taken, I bet he wishes he had gone about it differently... That was one expensive $5000 gesture. In the long run, he doesn't care. This will blow over and we'll all move on to the next outrage. I'm sure Tiger will come down with AIDS or sumthin in the near future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 1,235 Posted February 14, 2019 Tells you what a shithole Mexico is. The guy agrees to $5000 when the going rate is 10%. Kuchar is a bum for taking advantage of the desperation in that country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,593 Posted February 15, 2019 The other golfers are now saying he's the biggest douche around. Considering the douche factor for golfers and those that watch golf is pretty high, that says a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,010 Posted February 16, 2019 Matt Kuchar Blinks. Matt Kuchar to apologize to caddie, pay him full $50,000 LOS ANGELES -- Matt Kuchar heard a few catcalls from spectators at the Genesis Open on Friday. He's seen the negativity on social media and in the golf world at large. And he decided to make amends. After his first round Friday at Riviera Country Club, Kuchar issued a statement in which he apologized and said he would be making full payment of the amount a fill-in caddie requested after the veteran golfer paid him just $5,000 following his November victory at the Mayakoba Classic. David Giral Ortiz, who filled in as Kuchar's caddie during the tournament in Mexico, had requested a total of $50,000; Kuchar earned $1,296,000 for the victory and caddies are typically paid a percentage. "I let myself, my family, my partners and those close to me down, but I also let David down," Kuchar said. "I plan to call David tonight when I'm off the course to apologize for the situation he has been put in, and I have made sure he has received the full total that he has requested.'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,144 Posted February 16, 2019 Actually, it’s not tipping I believe in, it’s over tipping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,547 Posted February 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Mike Honcho said: Matt Kuchar Blinks. Matt Kuchar to apologize to caddie, pay him full $50,000 LOS ANGELES -- Matt Kuchar heard a few catcalls from spectators at the Genesis Open on Friday. He's seen the negativity on social media and in the golf world at large. And he decided to make amends. After his first round Friday at Riviera Country Club, Kuchar issued a statement in which he apologized and said he would be making full payment of the amount a fill-in caddie requested after the veteran golfer paid him just $5,000 following his November victory at the Mayakoba Classic. David Giral Ortiz, who filled in as Kuchar's caddie during the tournament in Mexico, had requested a total of $50,000; Kuchar earned $1,296,000 for the victory and caddies are typically paid a percentage. "I let myself, my family, my partners and those close to me down, but I also let David down," Kuchar said. "I plan to call David tonight when I'm off the course to apologize for the situation he has been put in, and I have made sure he has received the full total that he has requested.'' Mooch is still clueless here. Paying the dude exactly what he wanted does nothing. Still a cheap fock. At minimum should have doubled it to look good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,121 Posted April 8, 2019 I just found out this guy went to the same HS as me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted April 10, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 7:47 PM, edjr said: Mooch is still clueless here. Paying the dude exactly what he wanted does nothing. Still a cheap fock. At minimum should have doubled it to look good. Hell, you've already taken the bad publicity, might as well keep your money. Not like anything thinks he's not a doosh now or anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
