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1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

 

Salary caps.  Bwahahahahaha.

That’s not really a salary cap. The company could pay its CEO whatever they want, so long as they pay the average worker a min. % of that salary. 

I don’t necessarily support that, just throwing it out there. I know that both parties and the MAGA crowd don’t think class disparity and the shrinking middle / worker class in the US is a problem worth fixing.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

23 minutes ago, MDC said:

That’s not really a salary cap. The company could pay its CEO whatever they want, so long as they pay the average worker a min. % of that salary. 

I don’t necessarily support that, just throwing it out there. I know that both parties and the MAGA crowd don’t think class disparity and the shrinking middle / worker class in the US is a problem worth fixing.

The growing group of mega corps and 1% that hoard cash just to let it sit there and do nothing, no, not a problem at all. 

[Cdub100 3,369]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

That’s not really a salary cap. The company could pay its CEO whatever they want, so long as they pay the average worker a min. % of that salary. 

I don’t necessarily support that, just throwing it out there. I know that both parties and the MAGA crowd don’t think class disparity and the shrinking middle / worker class in the US is a problem worth fixing.

We have different ideas of what cases that shrinking. You seem to blame the owners of companies the same people who actually create all those jobs and have all the risk.

Lets use a random company. Lets say Ford. Ford Motor Company employed approximately 199,000 people in the fiscal year of 2018. Ford CEO Jim Hackett earned total compensation of $16.7 million in 2017. If he donated his whole salary each person would get $90 extra dollars before tax. I don't think your solution actually fixes anything.

One major cause that I blame is liberals inviting in millions of cheap labor illegals to under cut our earnings. I blame the horrendous trade deals that send our jobs over seas. I blame our government that allow companies to abuse the work visa programs. 

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2 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

The growing group of mega corps and 1% that hoard cash just to let it sit there and do nothing, no, not a problem at all. 

So what you're saying is you have no idea how the world works.

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4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

So what you're saying is you have no idea how the world works.

I certainly wouldn't trust you to be the one to explain it to me. You're saying that million and billionaires do not have money just sitting in banks? A banking system that is out of control with over priced interest rates? Sure, they accumulate interest so that banks can use that money for more loans, but it's mainly the banks and the mega rich that benefit while everyone else pays out the ass for interest.

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5 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I certainly wouldn't trust you to be the one to explain it to me. You're saying that million and billionaires do not have money just sitting in banks? A banking system that is out of control with over priced interest rates? Sure, they accumulate interest so that banks can use that money for more loans, but it's mainly the banks and the mega rich that benefit while everyone else pays out the ass for interest.

Do you know how banks work? Apparently not.

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5 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

We have different ideas of what cases that shrinking. You seem to blame the owners of companies the same people who actually create all those jobs and have all the risk.

Lets use a random company. Lets say Ford. Ford Motor Company employed approximately 199,000 people in the fiscal year of 2018. Ford CEO Jim Hackett earned total compensation of $16.7 million in 2017. If he donated his whole salary each person would get $90 extra dollars before tax. I don't think your solution actually fixes anything.

One major cause that I blame is liberals inviting in millions of cheap labor illegals to under cut our earnings. I blame the horrendous trade deals that send our jobs over seas. I blame our government that allow companies to abuse the work visa programs. 

I don’t blame business owners. I blame Washington for allowing businesses to operate this way. 

Both parties let illegals undercut our wages. The POTUS hires illegals and brings foreign workers in on visa to work at his resorts.  Trump’s solution never involves punishing businesses for hiring foreign labor. He’s a hypocrite and a fraud.

Fixing our trade deals isn’t going to prevent businesses from offshoring jobs and setting up foreign tax shelters.

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16 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

The growing group of mega corps and 1% that hoard cash just to let it sit there and do nothing, no, not a problem at all. 

Painfully stupid.

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47 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

The growing group of mega corps and 1% that hoard cash just to let it sit there and do nothing, no, not a problem at all. 

Uhm no, not true.  Invested money brings CONSIDERABLE value to the economy. It does not "just sit" it is in constant motion.

[Cdub100 3,369]

56 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

Uhm no, not true.  Invested money brings CONSIDERABLE value to the economy. It does not "just sit" it is in constant motion.

Scary how these people have been brain washed they have no clue how basic economics works and they are voting for idiots know even less.

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28 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Scary how these people have been brain washed they have no clue how basic economics works and they are voting for idiots know even less.

Regardless what one thinks about CEO pay..

The pure stupidity on a subject like this makes one question why anyone would spend time debating other topics with that person.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

It's painful that the MAGA crowd thinks that every rich dollar is invested. Let's also not forget the discussion of mega corps being slave to shareholders. It's also painful how moronic the MAGA crowd is when we talk about equalizing the classes more, that it means we take away all of the rich man's money. It's pointless talking them. 

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1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's painful that the MAGA crowd thinks that every rich dollar is invested. Let's also not forget the discussion of mega corps being slave to shareholders. It's also painful how moronic the MAGA crowd is when we talk about equalizing the classes more, that it means we take away all of the rich man's money. It's pointless talking them. 

ROFLMAO

[Mr. Hand 482]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

ROFLMAO

Exactly

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21 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's painful that the MAGA crowd thinks that every rich dollar is invested. Let's also not forget the discussion of mega corps being slave to shareholders. It's also painful how moronic the MAGA crowd is when we talk about equalizing the classes more, that it means we take away all of the rich man's money. It's pointless talking them. 

As I said earlier, it seems like you can start a lot of liberal stances with "it isn't fair that"...

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59 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's painful that the MAGA crowd thinks that every rich dollar is invested. Let's also not forget the discussion of mega corps being slave to shareholders. It's also painful how moronic the MAGA crowd is when we talk about equalizing the classes more, that it means we take away all of the rich man's money. It's pointless talking them. 

No sarcasm here, I am really surprised that you think in that manner, you have always struck me as being really sharp. Money does not stand still, it delivers value in a range of ways, to include being there for things such as subprime funding etc.  Without invested monies, the economy would be rather brutal to the least fortunate people.

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1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's painful that the MAGA crowd thinks that every rich dollar is invested. Let's also not forget the discussion of mega corps being slave to shareholders. It's also painful how moronic the MAGA crowd is when we talk about equalizing the classes more, that it means we take away all of the rich man's money. It's pointless talking them. 

Just stop, this isn't helping.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

52 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

No sarcasm here, I am really surprised that you think in that manner, you have always struck me as being really sharp. Money does not stand still, it delivers value in a range of ways, to include being there for things such as subprime funding etc.  Without invested monies, the economy would be rather brutal to the least fortunate people.

I know that. I agree with that. I am not a socialist, but there is a ton of money that is stagnant. If the middle class was larger, ie a better balance between the top CEOs, there would be the same if not better money flow with a larger middle class. Also, the top tier earners would still be the top tier earners with generational income coming in every year. 

 

Do we not agree that the middle class is shrinking?

[lickin_starfish 1,478]

This looks like a MAGA crowd...

[jerryskids 5,172]

This is why Rockford is the most useless poster on this site.  

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[wiffleball 4,631]

I can't help but think of one of the truest dong lyrics ever:

WE GLORIFY THE PAST WHEN THE FUTURE DRIES UP.

[jerryskids 5,172]

56 minutes ago, sderk said:

That dude really likes his man pics. Not only enjoys them alone on the couch, but brings them to the public.

He's gotta be on the autism scale so maybe I should be nicer to him.  His complete lack of self-awareness is incredible.

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23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

He's gotta be on the autism scale so maybe I should be nicer to him.  His complete lack of self-awareness is incredible.

I think you are right. He is autistic. Nice catch on that.

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I have a proposaI

 

If your company makes 70 percent or more of it's total from government contracting the CEO can not make over a million dollars

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On 2/22/2019 at 4:42 AM, bandrus1 said:

Besides the social issues, what gender blah blah blah

When exactly are we talking about trying to get back to when you use make America great again.

Like what is the model time?

 

Probably when they say Make America Great Again, it represents a recognized loss of opportunity in America.  They feel liberal elites have robbed them of blue collar jobs by importing immigrants.  They feel liberal elites have robbed them of high level white collar jobs with the H1B visa.  These are jobs that are taken away from the people already living here.  Instead of providing more training and more opportunities, the opportunities are taken away and given to an immigrant or a foreign student.  And because of this, they see a bleaker future for their children.  Because of this, you see loss of trust in American institutions.  You see disenfranchisement.  You see a rise in the alt right as a response.  You now begin to see hero worship of Putin.

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On 2/22/2019 at 8:15 AM, MDC said:

How about a cap on CEO compensation?

in 1965 the average CEO earned 20 times the average worker. Today CEOs earn 312 times more. It’s not too surprising that real wages have been stagnant or gone down in 30 years.

Wages went stagnant about 30 years ago, right around the time that barriers to trading the stock market came down.  Before those stock market barriers came down, people who were smart enough and motivated enough would lead organized labor resistance against corporations to make sure they earned a really good wage.  HOWEVER, once those barriers came down, the game changed.  Smart, motivated people now had TWO options:

1.  Waste a massive amount of time organizing and leading a labor movement and endlessly sparring with management to try to earn a good wage.

2.  Spend a fraction of that time investing in the stock market, make a TON of money, and have plenty of free time to do whatever they wanted.

There was basically a brain drain in the labor movement.  All the smartest, best, and brightest stopped being labor leaders and started trading stocks.  As a result, wages began stagnating as the talent to fight for good wages was gone.  But total earnings kept rising for those who knew how to invest.  Interestingly, the people who talk about stagnant wages ignore the stock market profits.

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This thread started out with a decent discussion. Then it turned normal. I hate that I read it all. I’ll probably start reading threads in reverse, as it’ll save me a good amount of time. 

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5 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

This thread started out with a decent discussion. Then it turned normal. I hate that I read it all. I’ll probably start reading threads in reverse, as it’ll save me a good amount of time. 

This is probably the most boring this bored has ever been. There is no very little disagreement anymore.

Say what you will about the political flame war circlejerks of the past, at this point the bored is the online equivalent of a bunch of old dudes sitting outside a rural gas station.

Liberals suck.

Yep. 

Mental disorder. 

Marxist scum.

We need to recruit some lefties from FBG to come here. This place is a tomb. 

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On 2/22/2019 at 11:34 AM, MDC said:

Where conversations like this break down is that the “free market” allows businesses to employ foreign workers with no labor protections who earn pennies on the dollar vs US workers, park their $ or set up shell operations in places with a low corporate tax rate (Ireland), and declare bankruptcy, laying off an entire workforce while management sails off with multimillion dollar golden parachutes.

That is your “free market.” So if tinkering with the free market is a non starter for you, get used to the US looking less like the robust middle class of the US postwar period and more like the caste system of India, cause that’s where we are headed.

I find it very interesting that you voluntarily refuse to realize the reason for this.

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17 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I find it very interesting that you voluntarily refuse to realize the reason for this.

The reason for it is 30+ years of both parties selling US workers down the river. 

Hope that helps.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

The reason for it is 30+ years of both parties selling US workers down the river. 

Hope that helps.

Actually, it's because we have a minimum wage.

Hope that helps.

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Actually, it's because we have a minimum wage.

Hope that helps.

Somebody drank the Kool Aid.

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7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Somebody drank the Kool Aid.

Somebody apparently still chooses to not see the obvious.

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7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Somebody apparently still chooses to not see the obvious.

You’re right in the sense that if unskilled labor in the US were willing to earn the same slave wages as workers in India or China without benefits or OSHA or other labor protections US businesses would probably hire them right here instead. 

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re right in the sense that if unskilled labor in the US were willing to earn the same slave wages as workers in India or China without benefits or OSHA or other labor protections US businesses would probably hire them right here instead. 

No, they couldn't.  You see, because... "minimum wage".

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7 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re right in the sense that if unskilled labor in the US were willing to earn the same slave wages as workers in India or China without benefits or OSHA or other labor protections US businesses would probably hire them right here instead. 

I think your statement might leave one to believe that a sense of entitlement exists within the group of unskilled laborers in the US.

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13 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re right in the sense that if unskilled labor in the US were willing to earn the same slave wages as workers in India or China without benefits or OSHA or other labor protections US businesses would probably hire them right here instead. 

The Mcdonalds down the street from me is hiring at wages above the minimum.   They have to in order to fill the positions.   Why would getting rid of the minimum reduce that?

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8 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

No, they couldn't.  You see, because... "minimum wage".

That is the point. If you’re arguing that unskilled US workers could compete with workers in Mexico / China etc. if they were willing / able to accept the same wages and lack of benefits / labor protections you will get no argument from me. I like the fact that Americans who are willing to work live at a better standard than slave labor from sh1thole countries. 

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8 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

I think your statement might leave one to believe that a sense of entitlement exists within the group of unskilled laborers in the US.

Yeah: They expect to live better than people in Mexico, India and China. There was a time when that was a point of pride for Americans.