3 states trying to block Trump from 2020 ballot if he doesn't release tax returns...

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5 minutes ago, peenie said:

I was poor and never killed anyone either, what is your point? I have never NOT had health insurance. I don't think I deserve a pat on the back for not killing someone or having a job or having health insurance. Do you want to take a bow or do you feel you deserve an award?

You were the one crying police brutality. And I stated blacks kill blacks. And then you changed my post to include...

Young black men living in poor, segregated, disadvantaged neighborhoods kill other young black men living in poor, segregated, disadvantaged neighborhoods with guns at an alarming rate

....as if you are trying to make a point. I just ran with it. 

[peenie 1,690]

3 hours ago, sderk said:

You were the one crying police brutality.

Someone stated that Obama divided the country, so I brought up one of the issues that may have really made people turn against him:

he didn't fully seem to support the police but instead had sympathy for the community of people who felt abused by the police.

I was just saying that police brutality and corruption does exist. People may really not want to believe it but it's true. Yes, there is a ridiculous amount of murder and crime in the black community and it helps explain tensions between the police and public. I just think it's unfair for people to see Obama as a divider because he empathizes with people of color that are feeling oppressed.

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38 minutes ago, peenie said:

Someone stated that Obama divided the country, so I brought up one of the issues that may have really made people turn against him:

he didn't fully seem to support the police but instead had sympathy for the community of people who felt abused by the police.

I was just saying that police brutality and corruption does exist. People may really not want to believe it but it's true. Yes, there is a ridiculous amount of murder and crime in the black community and it helps explain tensions between the police and public. I just think it's unfair for people to see Obama as a divider because he empathizes with people of color that are feeling oppressed.

There are an estimated 765,000 police officers in the U.S..  Of course there are some bad apples.  Ever worked with a bad person yourself?  Happens in every profession.  This notion that all cops are going to be saints is idiotic.  All we can do is get rid of them when we find them, and, if they break the law prosecute them.  You know what would help?  Get rid of police unions.   Are you ok with that?

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2 hours ago, peenie said:

Someone stated that Obama divided the country, so I brought up one of the issues that may have really made people turn against him:

he didn't fully seem to support the police but instead had sympathy for the community of people who felt abused by the police.

I was just saying that police brutality and corruption does exist. People may really not want to believe it but it's true. Yes, there is a ridiculous amount of murder and crime in the black community and it helps explain tensions between the police and public. I just think it's unfair for people to see Obama as a divider because he empathizes with people of color that are feeling oppressed.

Do you know what else exists? A lot of hatred and disrespect of cops by African-Americans. I have a friend that is a cop in large city and he tells me he has young African-American kids spit at his feet and it’s been going on for many years. This is not a one sided issue. Why is it so hard to listen to what a cop tells you to do? These kids are raised to hate and disrespect authority.

[sderk 1,040]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

Someone stated that Obama divided the country, so I brought up one of the issues that may have really made people turn against him:

he didn't fully seem to support the police but instead had sympathy for the community of people who felt abused by the police.

I was just saying that police brutality and corruption does exist. People may really not want to believe it but it's true. Yes, there is a ridiculous amount of murder and crime in the black community and it helps explain tensions between the police and public. I just think it's unfair for people to see Obama as a divider because he empathizes with people of color that are feeling oppressed.

I don't doubt that at times there has been poor judgement by some police officers in the nation. I personally think it was a tragedy of how it was approached by many in this country. Including Obama. Aside from his opinions of the police, I already posted my reasons in an earlier post why I think Obama was a great divider.

As far as all the disrespect and hatred for police coming out the black communities, why don't they have that much hatred for their own kind given that the amount of murders by black people on other people, including police, probably outnumbers wrongful deaths committed by police something like 100,000 to 1. Or even more? Now I'm just making that number up, but it's probably closer than something like that than not.

Why focus on the few worngful deaths caused by a few cops each year, rather than focus on the mass murdering of the rest of the nation that a large number of black folks are committing? 

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7 hours ago, sderk said:

You can change my reply all you want. It doesn't make me agree with it. I've been poor and lived in some pretty slummy parts of Hartford and a couple other cities. I showed my face in those neighborhoods as little as possible and somehow I never killed anyone because of it. I went without health insurance for a while when I was younger. because I didn't prioritize it.  Then I got scared of not having it so got a second job and/or found a job that offered it. It's not easy growing up. Life is not easy. I paid my own way through school, paid for all of my own needs, didn't have a kid before I could afford to, etc. I don't need the government to take care of me and tell me what I should do and think and demand me to live off of their expensive and limiting and life destroying "charities". Keep your socialism to itself.

People like AOC should be put behind bars for crimes against intelligence. Obama on the other hand is just a traitor to this country. Or can you even be a traitor if you are not a citizen of this country?

 

Sounds like white privilege to me. You're a horrible person.

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5 minutes ago, DonS said:

Sounds like white privilege to me. You're a horrible person.

Yeah, I probably should have taken on the practice of mortification at a young age and stuck with it for the rest of my life. That would have shoed me in nicely into the ghettos.

[peenie 1,690]

I respect the police. No one else is coming to save me if I need to be rescued. 

I can't answer why some people do the things they do. My 4 year old nephew wants to be a police officer. 

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

I respect the police. No one else is coming to save me if I need to be rescued. 

I can't answer why some people do the things they do. My 4 year old nephew wants to be a police officer. 

 

The cops should be respected as all people should until they prove otherwise. 

I treat all women like ladies until they show me they're not.

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4 minutes ago, peenie said:

I respect the police. No one else is coming to save me if I need to be rescued. 

I can't answer why some people do the things they do. My 4 year old nephew wants to be a police officer. 

 

I cannot fathom why anyone would want to be a police officer today, but I am grateful that people still do.

To put your life on the line every day for the pittance provided, while castigated by the media and SJW filth, not to mention the focking crybabies who get mad when caught doing something wrong....I appreciate them, but I think its crazy to want to be a police officer today.

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I think all publicly elected officials should have to provide their tax returns to someone who is tasked with oversite to ensure there are no conflicts of interest but they should never be released to the general public.  Even the President has a right to privacy here.

However, in this case I think what the dems want to see them, perform some crowd-sourced audit to find every miniscule thing that could be taken as wrong, and turn it into a massive huge deal.  This is the true witch hunt.

I wonder how many of these governors/congressmen/senators have released their own tax info?  I'd bet it's not even close to 100%.

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1 hour ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

I cannot fathom why anyone would want to be a police officer today, but I am grateful that people still do.

To put your life on the line every day for the pittance provided, while castigated by the media and SJW filth, not to mention the focking crybabies who get mad when caught doing something wrong....I appreciate them, but I think its crazy to want to be a police officer today.

I see many, many more news articles about the good things police do than bad.  And I know most people admire and respect officers.  There's a vocal minority (magnified by the ease of spreading your viewpoint) and confirmation bias skewing how bad it is today versus the past.

That said, I wouldn't want to be a police officer either.  Mostly because once I got out of the military I decided to do whatever gave me the least chance of getting shot at.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

How about we start first with releasing financial records relating to spending tax payer dollars on settling Congressional harassment claims. 

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13 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

How about we start first with releasing financial records relating to spending tax payer dollars on settling Congressional harassment claims. 

How about both?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

36 minutes ago, Kanil said:

How about both?

One is taxpayer money................the other is not.

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54 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

One is taxpayer money................the other is not.

I think the public has an interest in making sure our elected officials don't have conflicts of interest.  Although, like I said above, it should be done by someone with oversight, not released to the general public.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

1 minute ago, Kanil said:

I think the public has an interest in making sure our elected officials don't have conflicts of interest.  Although, like I said above, it should be done by someone with oversight, not released to the general public.

The public is just now getting around to showing an interest in conflicts of interest? How does one whose never had anything other than a govt job have a net worth of 40 million? Congress can trade stocks with insider knowledge, kickbacks, etc...........and you want their demands for tax returns of POTUS to be fulfilled? 

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24 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

The public is just now getting around to showing an interest in conflicts of interest? How does one whose never had anything other than a govt job have a net worth of 40 million? Congress can trade stocks with insider knowledge, kickbacks, etc...........and you want their demands for tax returns of POTUS to be fulfilled? 

I think you're missing the part where I said ALL elected officials.  And the part where I said I'd be surprised if all these congressmen/senators/governors had released their taxes.  And the part where I said I think if they're released publicly it will be used as a witch hunt.

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with demanding our elected officials don't have financial conflicts of interest.

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43 minutes ago, Kanil said:

I think the public has an interest in making sure our elected officials don't have conflicts of interest.  Although, like I said above, it should be done by someone with oversight, not released to the general public.

Like the IRS ?

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2 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Like the IRS ?

You think the IRS is in charge of checking for conflicts of interest with elected officials?

[drobeski 3,061]

Just now, Kanil said:

You think the IRS is in charge of checking for conflicts of interest with elected officials?

Who defines the conflict of interest? 

They are in charge of making sure proper taxes have been paid. 

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

1 minute ago, Kanil said:

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with demanding our elected officials don't have financial conflicts of interest.

I agree they shouldn't so long as it's applied equally regardless of party/position. ALL of them.

[sderk 1,040]

8 minutes ago, Kanil said:

You think the IRS is in charge of checking for conflicts of interest with elected officials?

Conflicts always exist if the dems don't like you. 

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Just now, Filthy Fernadez said:

I agree they shouldn't so long as it's applied equally regardless of party/position. ALL of them.

100% agree.  And I think it should be that way for all elected officials.

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7 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Who defines the conflict of interest? 

They are in charge of making sure proper taxes have been paid. 

I think it would have to be determined based on the position.  Obviously the same person wouldn't verify the POTUS and the mayor of some podunk New Mexico town.

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2 minutes ago, sderk said:

Conflicts always exist if the dems don't like you. 

I agree that you couldn't have just one person determining conflicts of interest.  That would lead to too many cases of abuse.  For the POTUS, I could see it being some committee in congress or senate.

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3 hours ago, Kanil said:

You think the IRS is in charge of checking for conflicts of interest with elected officials?

Conflicts of interest are quite easily found out. Just check

out the political contributions to th candidate. That's why they make them, for the conflicts. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Really trying to nail down another popular vote.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Until we strictly enforce Voter ID in each and every state, the popular vote total is a farce.

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3 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Until we strictly enforce Voter ID in each and every state, the popular vote total is a farce.

With the city centers being largely liberal, dems would win almost every popular vote.  Not good for the country at all.

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3 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Until we strictly enforce Voter ID in each and every state, the popular vote total is a farce.

The left will have none of that. Hell, guys like worms were here saying we need to have online voting for presidential elections. 

Yeah, no chance of voter fraud there.

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I still believe that people on public assistance should forfeit their right to vote. 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

18 hours ago, Kanil said:

With the city centers being largely liberal, dems would win almost every popular vote.  Not good for the country at all.

That's what's currently occurring because they Vote early and vote often. Precincts with 100%+ voter turnout.

Even in Texas they've have 80,000 non-citizens (50,000 have voted in at least one election) on the voter rolls. What's happening in California, New York, etc....? 

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2 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

That's what's currently occurring because they Vote early and vote often. Precincts with 100%+ voter turnout.

Even in Texas they've have 80,000 non-citizens (50,000 have voted in at least one election) on the voter rolls. What's happening in California, New York, etc....? 

I'm 100% for a voter ID system.  That said, the cities are still largely democrat and it would be disastrous to go to a popular vote only.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

4 minutes ago, Kanil said:

I'm 100% for a voter ID system.  That said, the cities are still largely democrat and it would be disastrous to go to a popular vote only.

I'm not saying go to a popular vote though. I'm stating those that tout that as a barometer for how America thinks isn't familiar with reality.