thegeneral

Russia was expected to take the whole country in 3 days. Instead they lost hundreds of thousands of troops and are using North Korean soldiers who might not even have matching uniforms

The good guys are us and Europe. Our allies. Fold Ukraine in. Russia is not, they’d fock us over at any opportunity. In any case Russia got exposed as third rate chumps. Ukraine fought them off with our hand me downs and with their hands tied. Putin isn’t going to do a thing if we add them into NATO. Another chip in our stack, that’s not in theirs.

He wouldn’t break, or whoever is next Putin will be dead within a few years, a real security deal. Anything less than that would be very disappointing considering what Ukraine and the good guys went through. Russia’s chump ass army was exposed here. Would be a shame to give away land with no real reassurances in place. A tough guy like Trump should be able to get this done. But also he’s actually a big puss who just wants to try and win an award.

Yep.Thats the best case at this point for Ukraine IMO. They aren’t getting that land back.

Exactly my point. An actual agreement, like NATO membership is what prevents this. Everything else is half measures. After the invasion Biden spent the next few years crossing every redline. We expanded NATO adding countries, we allowed bombing inside Russia. The leverage we have gained is we know there is no real redline it’s all bullshit. Putin gets the land, what is left of Ukraine is on the good team and off limits.

If there is no military guarantee then there is nothing. We have already seen what happens without that.

Blue ties would be saying this is all legalwarefare or whatever dumbshit term the Trump nuthuggers were using.

Perhaps. Then all the red ties will be very bothered by such a clear violation of campaign finance laws

Sounds a lot like a certain someone paying off a washed up pornstar he rawdogged while his mail order bride was knocked up!

What are Russia’s concessions. I haven’t seen them give up anything.

Even if that were true the reality is this is not going to happen. It’s been true since day one. The way this war “ends in 24 hours” goes like this. Don tells Russia he’s going to do what you said (he won’t) he tells Ukraine he will end all funding (he will do that). Russia knows this, Putin doesn’t give a fock if he puts another 100k troops through the meat grinder. Zelensky should be cutting any deal he can get. It’s terrible but it’s the reality. Personally surprised it has taken this long to get to this moment after Don won.

Why has Putin not attacked Poland? Why did he choose Ukraine. Because he could. One thing we have learned over the past few years of this war is he won’t do shlt when pushed. Putin said he would bomb Paris or Berlin many times starting with if aide was given to Ukraine by the West. Fast forward years later and we have US planes flying out of Kyiv and drones bombing in Russian lands. He’s a blood thirsty, murderous, shitbird. But he also enjoys living in his palaces throughout Russia. Putin got over on NATO, he stole this land because he could. He gets to keep it but the only way you don’t allow this to happen again is some type of security guarantee. You want to do this all over again in 5 years?

Yes it’s a surrender. If they were to get a security guarantee it would be the best possible outcome at this point - doubt it’s a real thing but talking about this if it were a legitimate thing. What is the alternative for Ukraine? That land is gone.

The security deal would ensure that this won’t happen again in what is left of Ukraine. Putin isn’t attacking any nation with this type of backup, that’s the point.

The alternative is Ukraine gets no more aide, Ukraine gets pounded, Russia makes all the terms. Zelenskyy has zero leverage, he should be looking at securing the best deal he can lock down. After Trump’s win I am surprised we have gone this long providing aide.

Who knows. They are “reports” so very well me be BS. If that were to be agreed upon, Ukraine would have to give up the land that was stolen unfortunately but this would be about a good am ending as they could hope for.

“Reports” of potential security guarantee in form of Article 5 like agreement. Probably bullshit but if that were to happen Ukraine would need to look at that deal.

Now heel turn into tranny’s and you have covered all your bases!

Comrade Overkill posting his favorite propaganda over his morning borscht!

“I can stop this war in 24 hours, it will be so easy” -DJT

This guy def sporting some D cups. Lay off the snacks, Peefoam!

Old Yamtits has to control everything you people see and think. It’s wild.

Well Don managed to get out without saying he was Putin’s bltch like last time! Progress.

Your Russian disinformation you consume really has done a number on you!

I thought he would do this day one. It’s the only way his bullshit about solving it in 24 hours could happen.