Theyhateme459
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I had this game counted as a lost before the games started, then I was like this when I saw the score
Well, bring yo bad self ovah to the better half of the Carolinas because this weekend is ..........
Assmeg Basement Showdown II!!!
Last time you caught me on a low week
Now we are rejuvenated and ready to crawl out of the Basement!!! JUST BRING IT!!! It's only room for one Carolinian down here, and it's not going to be me any more :ph34r:
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I had this game counted as a lost before the games started, then I was like this when I saw the score
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Even though I do not have the best record in my division, I noticed I am ranked as a top 25 team (For whatever it's worth) and I some how I am like the highest scoring team....
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I forgot about this early deadline
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As long as everybody, including me, gets a turn w/ LT (much like all the homosexuals get a turn w/ Band W. O'neer during the annual Carolina Bathroom Gay Sex Marathon), I'm all for that.
Hey, I wouldn't mind some of that Carolina bathroom gay sex.....Carolina Top Cat Lesbian style.
Hey bandy -- at least you gotzz the Panthers this season !
Carolina
New England
What about your Packers........
and Singman and his Lions....
and in three weeks the Panthers travel to the Windy City....
Da bears =
2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar.
All for being the Panthers biotches....stand up and holler.
I'm practicing to become a Carolina Cheerleader bathroom valet!!
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I actually won 2 straight games. But I don't expect that to happen again this season... My only goal now is to finish 11th place and not 12th.
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Everyone knows Vick owns the Panthers, always has. They just have no answer for him.
That was in the past.... we will see in a few weeks. -
Tampa Fans- Your team sucks.... You have not beat 1 Team with a winning record yet, and the one game against a .500 team (the lions) You really did lose.
Nope.... I just checked the standings and the Bucs apparently still got the Win.
I think the Bucs D is still currently rated number 1 in the NFL.
They aren't rated number one after the Panthers just ran All over them
As I said before the Buccs= No PLayoffs
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From the basement of the league to having LT and Chad Johnson.... Not bad for a few days of work
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Receptions are .5
Completions are .25
Rushing attempts are .1
I would like to see receptions= 1 point for WR/TE- This is how it is in some of my other leagues, and it would close the gap some between WR's and RB's.
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I don't agree with leaving RTSports. They are the best I've ever used. They also offer a blind bid system.
MFL is great, and is a little bit better in my opinon, but either is fine for me. -
I have to say if the only FF provide where to tell my league that it was $500 to join, $42/team my league would simply desolve. I would go back to watching my favorite teams and maybe their top rivals.
I think people underestimate the backlash this would have. My league, and I suspect many peoples leagues on this site, is not what I would call a big money league. We are a 12 team league, we use CBSSportsline and we kick in $112 per team. Of course the $12 is for site fees, and the remaining $1200 makes up our league prizes, and we are all accepting of the fact that 10% of what we throw in the pot goes to adminstration fees. However if you kick that amount up to $42 out of $142 you are now talking about 30% adminstration fees and me and my fellow owners won't go for that. As for free leagues and even lower entry fee leagues, they would simply go by the wayside. Even if you are talking about 25 - 35% of the FF players out there you are talking about millions of folks, all of whom pay more attention to the NFL then they did prior to FF. Even if those aren't the people buying the Sunday Ticket, they certainly are the ones tuning into the Monday night game, eventhough they don't care which team wins, because their WR might score just enough points to eek out a win this week. Ratings on nationally televised games will definantly suffer, and that is where the leagues big money comes from.
As for MLB, I trully believe they simply have a self destructive nature. They have been on life support for many years, people are bored with the product the provide, even if they let their players take steriods, build smaller stadiums with short fences and sup up their balls. So MLB should just thank god that people are paying any attention to their games, and not interfer with the fantasy sports that have difinantly added to the big four television ratings.
Although I admire your cavalier approach, unfortunately the numbers do not confirm the hypothesis of your opinion. Let's use your numbers in a hypothetical situation....
There are -- conservatively -- 250,000 fantasy leagues currently being administered by fantasy football services on the Internet (CBS Sportsline runs at least 100,000 leagues themselves, and they are not even the largest provider.)
Right now, CBS hauls in about $13M in gross revenues from the sale of their commissioner service alone (we are not even including ad revenues from their site.) Let's say that CBS wins the "right" to be the sole fantasy commissioner service for the NFL. As a result, CBS ups their price to $500 per league. This causes 35% of the leagues to fold or go on their own (the high end of your estimate), meaning there are now only 162,500 fantasy leagues willing to pay the $500 per league to the only service out there -- CBS.
Well, 162,500 * $500 = $81,250,000. CBS (or any other big-time company) would be more than happy to pay $10M for the right to be the sole fantasy provider. And that does not even include the prices they could command from advertisers to be on the site which is viewed by 162,000 league members.
The NFLPA gets $10M per year, CBS makes out like bandits, and you lose. Sure, maybe some people might not view as many games, but I doubt this would make a dent in the multi-billion dollar TV contracts which currently exist.
It is all about cornering the market. There is a reason why the NFLPA is going after this so aggressively. They know what they are doing.
Thoes Mother F------ Bast----
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If it ever comes down to it we will have a million Geek March as stated in the thread earlier.
I've since copywrited and trademarked that phrase.
you now owe me $5.00
Damn!!
I'll see you in court
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The Cleveland Steamers 88.25
S. Carolina Crunk Country Boyz 111.35
Final
I honestly did not think I would win another game... especially since i started Memo & BENNETT. Lucky I guess.
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guys like you (RTSports) myfantasyleague.com, etc - the CBS Sportslines and ESPNs of the world would essentially have a monopoly and the way FFBers suffer is from lack of competition/choices in the FFB marketplace and potentially pay more for it.
It sounds like there'd be a single company or a small number of companies that could obtain a license from the NFLPA and be charged a fortune. The only companies that *might* be able to afford such a deal are the biggies like Yahoo! and CBS. And these companies would likely pass the cost onto us. Smaller companies that couldn't afford a license (like RTS, MFL, etc.) would be left out in the cold. So your choices would be even less than you imagine - and you'd have to pay $$.
Bingo.
But let me expound a little further...the NFLPA does not want to give licenses to smaller companies, even if they could afford to pay for them! The NFLPA reps came right out and said so at a recent FSTA conference.
The 200+ FSTA members stood up and offered to pay a large amount of money -- as a group -- to the NFLPA in return for receiving a "blanket license" for all the members of the association. They politely said no...it was not in their interest to have that many members.
They want a monopoly and they are not shy about admitting it.
Isn't that illegal??
Monoply money hungry pigs
I love the support I get from the smaller companies. They actually care and put in ALOT of time an effort. I have a league on MFL and one on RTS and if I got to the message board for help i get it. Everyone does... they try to make continuous improvements for us. If it ever comes down to it we will have a million Geek March as stated in the thread earlier. -
Owner of RealTime Fantasy Sports (RTSports) here. Let me try to clarify this issue for everyone.
The issue before us is NOT a copyright issue; therefore newpapers, magazines, etc. who merely report fantasy news, stats, even articles of interest are not affected (a VERY valid argument can be made, however, that fantasy magazines will be indirectly hurt to a great degree should the NFLPA win its case as the publications receive much of its advertising revenue from fantasy football services such as us, WCOFF, etc.) The copyright issue has been tried many times and it has been ruled repeatedly that the dissemination of statistics -- even in real-time -- is public property and NOT susceptable to copyright laws. The NFLPA knows this and realizes that cannot make a copyright argument.
The argument being made by the NFLPA deals with personal property rights. They claim that using the NFL players in "games" for profit violates those players' personal property by using their likenesses within our games. THIS is the crux of the argument. It is this issue which is currently being fought between the players association and CDM Fantasy Sports in St. Louis, MO. There is case law supporting both sides of the issue; however, we feel the more recent and prominent cases fall on our side (I cannot get into the details of the cases here, unfortunately.)
The CDM case -- if not settled out of court -- will be a landmark case in the fantasy sports industry. I think it is easy to state each of you should be rooting hard for CDM to win. Why? Because -- should the courts side with the NFLPA -- the PA will certainly limit the number of licensees, probably to one, and charge millions for the right to own that one license. And guess how that one licensee will make up the money? Can you say $500 per league for a fantasy commissioner service? With zero customer support?
The Fantasy Sports Trade Assocation (FSTA) has hired lawyers on behalf of the 200+ members of their association to defend their case (it is important to note that not all companies in the fantasy commissioner industry belong to the FSTA. A couple of note which are not members include MFL and XpertSports. If you have a league with that service you should encourage them to join -- the more companies in the fight the better the impression on a judge or jury.) The FSTA believes it has an excellent case. To go into the details here would take a long time, but here is the summary of the arguement: Copyright laws come into play when a player's likeness is uniquely identifiable with a product, is crucial to the product, and/or endorses the product. A Colts jersey with number 18 on it is uniquely identfiable with Peyton Manning, and -- as a result -- has a higher value than most other Colts jerseys. Stating that your product is endorsed by Priest Holmes (with a picture of Holmes next to your product) is using Holmes to increase the value of your product. There is no arguement of copyright infringement in those cases. But fantasy commissioner services are not based on the LIKENESS of a particular individual, but rather the STATISTICS they generate! Let's put it this way: If Peyton Manning retired tomorrow, would the fantasy industry suffer? Not in the least. In fact, Peyton's backup (WHOEVER that may be -- it does not matter) would be a "hot commodity" in the fantasy industry, because his STATISTICS would certianly become more desirable for owners. There is not a single individual whose likeliness is integral to the fantasy industry, because the industry is all about the stats which ANY player generates.
There are several other issues which support the FSTA's case; again, I cannot go into detail here -- but, needless to say, we feel our argument is very solid. The case against CDM (which is currently in mediation) will most likely not be decided for a long time (again, assuming it is not settled out of court.) Now matter who wins, it is certain to be appealed to the highest court, which could take years. In the meantime RTSports is not going anywhere, and we will continue to fight at every level.
One last, very important note. RTSports is NOT a member of Players, Inc. (the NFLPA licensing company.) Like most companies, there is no option to join Players, Inc. But do not assume that current members of Players, Inc. will still be in business if the NFLPA wins their lawsuit! The NFLPA has come right out and told the industry that they plan on reducing the number of licneses to a select few -- maybe even 1 -- if they get their way. All current licenses are for only 1 year (until 2006.) This is for a reason. Being a current licensee has no bearing whatsoever on future deals with the NFLPA.
What can you do? Contact your represetative and senators. Get involved. Tell them you do not want to see the NFLPA monopolize the fantasy industry. The NFLPA already has an image problem with the public (drugs, steroids, criminal records, etc.) if they know the public would be outraged with their trying to take over the fantasy industry it will not sit well in Washington and may make the NFLPA think twice.
OK, that is enough. I just thought I would try to shed some light on this issue.
One more question for you.....
Shouldn't the NFLPA know that if they win, in the end they would lose??? Don't they know that FF PLayers is the reason Sunday Ticket, NFL.com and other of there money makers are so profitable? They can't be that naive to not know.
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Owner of RealTime Fantasy Sports (RTSports) here. Let me try to clarify this issue for everyone.
The issue before us is NOT a copyright issue; therefore newpapers, magazines, etc. who merely report fantasy news, stats, even articles of interest are not affected (a VERY valid argument can be made, however, that fantasy magazines will be indirectly hurt to a great degree should the NFLPA win its case as the publications receive much of its advertising revenue from fantasy football services such as us, WCOFF, etc.) The copyright issue has been tried many times and it has been ruled repeatedly that the dissemination of statistics -- even in real-time -- is public property and NOT susceptable to copyright laws. The NFLPA knows this and realizes that cannot make a copyright argument.
The argument being made by the NFLPA deals with personal property rights. They claim that using the NFL players in "games" for profit violates those players' personal property by using their likenesses within our games. THIS is the crux of the argument. It is this issue which is currently being fought between the players association and CDM Fantasy Sports in St. Louis, MO. There is case law supporting both sides of the issue; however, we feel the more recent and prominent cases fall on our side (I cannot get into the details of the cases here, unfortunately.)
The CDM case -- if not settled out of court -- will be a landmark case in the fantasy sports industry. I think it is easy to state each of you should be rooting hard for CDM to win. Why? Because -- should the courts side with the NFLPA -- the PA will certainly limit the number of licensees, probably to one, and charge millions for the right to own that one license. And guess how that one licensee will make up the money? Can you say $500 per league for a fantasy commissioner service? With zero customer support?
The Fantasy Sports Trade Assocation (FSTA) has hired lawyers on behalf of the 200+ members of their association to defend their case (it is important to note that not all companies in the fantasy commissioner industry belong to the FSTA. A couple of note which are not members include MFL and XpertSports. If you have a league with that service you should encourage them to join -- the more companies in the fight the better the impression on a judge or jury.) The FSTA believes it has an excellent case. To go into the details here would take a long time, but here is the summary of the arguement: Copyright laws come into play when a player's likeness is uniquely identifiable with a product, is crucial to the product, and/or endorses the product. A Colts jersey with number 18 on it is uniquely identfiable with Peyton Manning, and -- as a result -- has a higher value than most other Colts jerseys. Stating that your product is endorsed by Priest Holmes (with a picture of Holmes next to your product) is using Holmes to increase the value of your product. There is no arguement of copyright infringement in those cases. But fantasy commissioner services are not based on the LIKENESS of a particular individual, but rather the STATISTICS they generate! Let's put it this way: If Peyton Manning retired tomorrow, would the fantasy industry suffer? Not in the least. In fact, Peyton's backup (WHOEVER that may be -- it does not matter) would be a "hot commodity" in the fantasy industry, because his STATISTICS would certianly become more desirable for owners. There is not a single individual whose likeliness is integral to the fantasy industry, because the industry is all about the stats which ANY player generates.
There are several other issues which support the FSTA's case; again, I cannot go into detail here -- but, needless to say, we feel our argument is very solid. The case against CDM (which is currently in mediation) will most likely not be decided for a long time (again, assuming it is not settled out of court.) Now matter who wins, it is certain to be appealed to the highest court, which could take years. In the meantime RTSports is not going anywhere, and we will continue to fight at every level.
One last, very important note. RTSports is NOT a member of Players, Inc. (the NFLPA licensing company.) Like most companies, there is no option to join Players, Inc. But do not assume that current members of Players, Inc. will still be in business if the NFLPA wins their lawsuit! The NFLPA has come right out and told the industry that they plan on reducing the number of licneses to a select few -- maybe even 1 -- if they get their way. All current licenses are for only 1 year (until 2006.) This is for a reason. Being a current licensee has no bearing whatsoever on future deals with the NFLPA.
What can you do? Contact your represetative and senators. Get involved. Tell them you do not want to see the NFLPA monopolize the fantasy industry. The NFLPA already has an image problem with the public (drugs, steroids, criminal records, etc.) if they know the public would be outraged with their trying to take over the fantasy industry it will not sit well in Washington and may make the NFLPA think twice.
OK, that is enough. I just thought I would try to shed some light on this issue.
Great high quality Information.Now we ALL KNOW whats what, so we don't have to debate it. Just keep us posted anytime something may develope.
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I knew this would stir up some crap... I did foster a few offers but we are not going there... No luck... . I guess you have not seen the numbers LT has been posting lately. Not much better than Ol Chester which will be getting me a little more points now that he has more playing time... Hmmm... guess no one seen the wonderful numbers Bulger has been posting... Hurt hurt hurt... I did not dump Green because he did come off of the injured list and then back on... I have had multiple injuries on my team. You try building a team around 2 players and average defense. A lot of good LT did me this week and last I got smoked.. I actually turned down THM and Ahill but reconsidered some offers after the crappy weeks I had...... OK let's talk what the hell you guys going to give up for LT now>>> 3 teans I talked to were not interested just because I needed a lot of LT and they did not want to give it up.... By the way LT is not #1 no more.. He is number 5 in the points... I have 2 QBs in the top 10.. They are not doing me any good now... We will see.... Just remember all of you laughing at RAMR for picking Brees...Not bad for number 6 in QBs and they have Jake at 5... Besides if I was to trade with MOZ someone would have really whinned about MOZ taking me or I am on his team or whatever.. I guess they are mad because SCCCB is 2 and 6 and I decided to trade with him... Hehe oh well...
After reading this shallow attempt at justifying this deal, I now am prepared to say it:
I declare shenanigans on this trade. (Everybody get your brooms...)
What a pile of crap.
Chestor Taylor is going to give you the same production as LT2, eh?
Bulger (who's coming back from injury next week) needed replacing?
This is a bullsh!t deal, and I think it's collusion - no one makes this trade.
That's my final comment on this.
He shopped LT around... a few people said they had offers.... He lost bad last week because of his WR, and other poor performance. If you look at the basics you will see..Memo,Harrison,Glenn,And Key Johnson for one LT. It's not a bad trade for a team making a playoff run and who needs depth... also like he said LT has not been a superstar the last few weeks.
Again I see this "needs depth" comment. Again I point out that before the trade he had more WR's and QBs than he did RB's so how does giving up a RB for more Wr's and more QB's give him depth? This explanation actually puts up a collusion flag for me as it just doesn't make sense.
BTW - playoff run? With that team now and already 3 games back in his division?
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any trade that involves a player that is on IR is bullshit IMO and you should have made the teams either change the players involved, or not put it thru all together
Agreed. Ahman Green is worthless. As in, has no value, now or future.
This is a terrible decision.
A.Green got cut, he was just thrown in there to make it 6 for 6. If I couldv'e I would have just gotten LT and thats it.....but I took the garbage to make it even.
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You could even make the case that the WR's he gave away are better than the ones he got.
So your saying that Troy Williamson and Patrick Crayton (Hurt) could be viewed as better than Marvin Harrison, K.Johnson, and Terry Glenn??
IT really is a simple 5 or 4 for 1 trade, because I have no use for anyone I got in the trade other than LT... Heck I cut all of them yesterday.
Sorry I have to respond here. Yes I think you could make that case in a keeper league. Not necessarily my opinion but I could understand some thinking Williamson is the most valuable WR from that group.
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And finally:
THM bids $2 on Gus Frerotte, QB MIA drops Ahman Green, RB GB
THM bids $6 on Frank Gore, RB SF drops Patrick Crayton, WR who cares
THM bids $11 on Eric Parker, WR SD drops Duce Staley, RB PHI
THM bids $11 on Jabar Gaffney, WR HOU drops Michael Bennett, RB MIN
THM bids $11 on Charles Rogers, WR DET drops Robert Ferguson, WR GB
THM bids $16 on Courtney Roby, WR TEN drops Isaac Bruce, WR STL
THM bids $16 on Marcus Robinson, WR MIN drops Ben Troupe, TE TEN
THM bids $6 on Seattle D/ST drops New England D/ST
I bidded on Vick and Williams also, but didn't have enough $$$$..... I know I won't make the playoffs but I'm trying not to be an automatic check off as a win on everyones Schedual for the rest of the year.
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In a keeper league (especially a keep 2) I can't see why anyone would trade LT2. Are you saying you'd rather keep Harrison or Collins? Give me a break.
He could have gotten Moss/TO/any other receiver PLUS a top RB but he gets a disappointing Harrison and two inconsistant DALLAS receivers. Not only that, but every decent player he got is over 30 years old compared to LT's 26/27. MeMo isn't even a top 25 RB and he's on one of the worst teams in football right now.
The IR players have nothing to do with the absolute wrongness of this trade.
For future reference, if you want to trade a big time player at least let people know that you are shopping him, I can't imagine you would not have gotten a better offer.
It was me who approached him....He needed WR depth, so That's what I pitched him... And we negotiated since last week, and made the trade today after he gave me an couter offer.
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Did you say Memo was a replacement for LT
I didn;t mean it like that...
I ment he would be starting in LT's place.... The downgrade from LT to Memo is not greater than the upgrade in WR.
Playoff senerios will be listed Tommorow!
in MFFL
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It would be almost impossible for me to get in, even if I win out. 2 Teams would have to lose next week, and between this week and next I would have to make up about a 66 point difference between me and another team.... long story short, cut me out of the scenerio cause it won't happen.