Packer fans....

[Sho Nuff 720]

and yet the lions are 3-3 and the packers 1-5. what does that say about the packers?

 

bump

That they are sucking for the first time in quite a while?

HTH

[swamp dog 0]

Hey, if the Vikings want to feel good about this game, that's fine with me.   The Packers were bad going in and got worse during the game due to injuries.

It's not so much about feeling good about the win is that it feels nice to know that the Pack sucks even harder than the Queens, which is quite the accomplishment.

3rd string Packers are very slightly worse than the Queens on the road.

 

First-string Packers were completely dominating them.

 

HTH

yeah, ahman green really tore it up when he was in there. what a difference maker. and i wasn't aware the packer secondary "suddenly" switched out at halftime to their second and third stringers? linebackers, too? i swear i still saw favre in there in the second half...maybe rodgers was wearing his jersey?

 

get over it.

Collins out...Diggs out still...lenon then hurt (pretty late though)...Green and Davenport out, Walker and Ferguson out....

 

Yes...there were alot of 2nd and 3rd stringers in the game in the 2nd half.

did diggs start the game? then he's immaterial to the excuse thesis machine you're spinning here (i.e. "if only *sniff* we didn't have all those mean, unfair injuries...we would have prevailed").

 

again, teams overcome them. the lions lost bly, rogers, kevin johnson, roy (still out), charles rogers (still out). and didn't have the luxury of a 17 point halftime lead.

 

there aren't ANY excuses in football. you lose when you suck.

[swamp dog 0]

Hey, if the Vikings want to feel good about this game, that's fine with me.   The Packers were bad going in and got worse during the game due to injuries.

It's not so much about feeling good about the win is that it feels nice to know that the Pack sucks even harder than the Queens, which is quite the accomplishment.

3rd string Packers are very slightly worse than the Queens on the road.

 

First-string Packers were completely dominating them.

 

HTH

yeah, ahman green really tore it up when he was in there. what a difference maker. and i wasn't aware the packer secondary "suddenly" switched out at halftime to their second and third stringers? linebackers, too? i swear i still saw favre in there in the second half...maybe rodgers was wearing his jersey?

 

get over it.

I'm over it.

 

You're the one who is and seems to be getting all worked up.

 

The Packers could lose 15 close games this year with their back-up players, but, unfortunately the Lions will still suck and will still be the worst franchise in the history of the NFL and possibly of all sports.

 

a tip:

 

when you lose, take it like a man.

[donhaas 18]

Hey, if the Vikings want to feel good about this game, that's fine with me.   The Packers were bad going in and got worse during the game due to injuries.

It's not so much about feeling good about the win is that it feels nice to know that the Pack sucks even harder than the Queens, which is quite the accomplishment.

3rd string Packers are very slightly worse than the Queens on the road.

 

First-string Packers were completely dominating them.

 

HTH

yeah, ahman green really tore it up when he was in there. what a difference maker. and i wasn't aware the packer secondary "suddenly" switched out at halftime to their second and third stringers? linebackers, too? i swear i still saw favre in there in the second half...maybe rodgers was wearing his jersey?

 

get over it.

Collins out...Diggs out still...lenon then hurt (pretty late though)...Green and Davenport out, Walker and Ferguson out....

 

Yes...there were alot of 2nd and 3rd stringers in the game in the 2nd half.

did diggs start the game? then he's immaterial to the excuse thesis machine you're spinning here (i.e. "if only *sniff* we didn't have all those mean, unfair injuries...we would have prevailed").

 

again, teams overcome them. the lions lost bly, rogers, kevin johnson, roy (still out), charles rogers (still out). and didn't have the luxury of a 17 point halftime lead.

 

there aren't ANY excuses in football. you lose when you suck.

Your crying about scrubs like K. Johnson and C. Rogers

 

What? Do they have 5 total catches this year put together?

 

 

SDIAFP!!!

[Sho Nuff 720]

did diggs start the game? then he's immaterial to the excuse thesis machine you're spinning here (i.e. "if only *sniff* we didn't have all those mean, unfair injuries...we would have prevailed").

 

again, teams overcome them. the lions lost bly, rogers, kevin johnson, roy (still out), charles rogers (still out). and didn't have the luxury of a 17 point halftime lead.

 

there aren't ANY excuses in football. you lose when you suck.

Very material to talking about 2nd and 3rd stringers playing...try to keep up.

 

If only "sniff"...umm...yet again your attempts at trying to say I am blaming the loss on the injuries show your ignorance. Look at my first post where I clearly lay it out as one of the many issues with this game. Id say nice try...but it was not even a nice try...as usual with you, it was a very poor effort.

 

Yes, injuries happen...and they are a factor to losses when your depth is depleted by other injuries...like to Walker and Davenport. Your continued denial of that is nothing more than pure ignorance.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hey, if the Vikings want to feel good about this game, that's fine with me.  The Packers were bad going in and got worse during the game due to injuries.

It's not so much about feeling good about the win is that it feels nice to know that the Pack sucks even harder than the Queens, which is quite the accomplishment.

3rd string Packers are very slightly worse than the Queens on the road.

 

First-string Packers were completely dominating them.

 

HTH

yeah, ahman green really tore it up when he was in there. what a difference maker. and i wasn't aware the packer secondary "suddenly" switched out at halftime to their second and third stringers? linebackers, too? i swear i still saw favre in there in the second half...maybe rodgers was wearing his jersey?

 

get over it.

I'm over it.

 

You're the one who is and seems to be getting all worked up.

 

The Packers could lose 15 close games this year with their back-up players, but, unfortunately the Lions will still suck and will still be the worst franchise in the history of the NFL and possibly of all sports.

 

a tip:

 

when you lose, take it like a man.

We are...it is you who is acting like the child.

[donhaas 18]

a tip:

 

when you lose, take it like a man. 

And run away like a little girl and not show up for two weeks like you???

 

OWNED!!!

[Jay 0]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good. The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points. The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football. When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football. It also makes it easier to score points.

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out. The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch.

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be. Rodgers will be able to start fresh. If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year. Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender. Sherman will likely be fired. The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild. Not a complete disaster.

[FFDawg 0]

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be. Rodgers will be able to start fresh. If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year. Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender. Sherman will likely be fired. The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild. Not a complete disaster.

Sounds like a plan to me...

[GuidingLight 3]

Fav're will not retire. He's still one of the best QB's in the NFL. GB will win the division.

 

Yea, i said it....those other teams are soooooo focking bad.. :ph34r:

[dreadlocks34 0]

Two very bad teams played to an exciting finish.

 

By the way, why don't the Packers let Favre go to a team next season that has a chance to win if he wants to? Green Bay can't win a Super Bowl while he is still good enough to play. Shouldn't they at least let him have that say after all he has done for them?

[mikeso 0]

IMHO....it time to build a new team...farve retires, they draft a top RB they can get...i would do everything to get reggie bush and let aaron rodgers start handing it off to bush...

 

and next year, draft a OL, first 3 rounds

[ROBOKOP 0]

Lets face it, both teams are awful and will finish sub .500. In Green Bay the losses at o-line and injuries coupled with offensive coaching have got them in a giant hole. Defensively the coaching is an upgrade but the personnel just isnt there. They miht et better throughout the season, but overall eeech. Favre is still great, he just has no one else to play with. Only one starting WR left on the roster and he will be double teamed for the rest of the year. The Packers have no running backs left, and the line has not opend a hole to run in even in the U-71 crap. For the first time in a long time I dont have a lot of hope for the Packers and its sad to see Favre i this situation. They got beat today fair and square, but they could have easily beat the Vikings. oth of these teams will struggle to play against some of the better teams. Realistically, I cannot see the Packers competing in the next few weeks. Bengals, Steelers, Falcons, Eagles; not a chance; and although the Bears dont have an offense, I cant see the Packers doing much against that D. As for the coveted high draft positio when you give up on your team; where do we draft? I dont see Green or Davenport getting resigned so theres a need at RB (Bush?) and the defense could use a playmaker too (good linebackers next year). Man its frustrating

Ill stll watch the games and cry though

Maybe occasionally wear Packer paraphernalia :ph34r:

[yanivsme 0]

WOW...there sure are many angry people in here. Let me, a fan of niether the pack or the vikings give some input!!

 

considering how horrible the division is, this was a pretty big game. Granted there were injuries to both teams(more on the pack) Green Bay just lookes horrible the 2nd half. I dont care who was out there. I played Ahman Green and at no point was I impressed with him when they were up 17-0 or when his batman ass was carted off the field. I think its funny though how grown men or little boys fight and argue but hey, its pretty entertaining. The way I see it, the pack is weak. The Vikings are looking better, this could be the turn around point for their season....NOTICE i said "could". I would like to see daunte have a good year, hes a fun player to watch as is favre.

 

Peace the hebrew hammer

[Crestwood 0]

The Vikings aren't that terrible of a team.

ummm yes, yes they are.

 

 

hth

[nevek 0]

I'm not a fan of either team but I watched the whole game.

 

Farve was Dominant the First half.

 

End of first half Daunte made 2 really nice throws that were dropped.

 

2nd Half it was all Culpepper, he was playing very very well.

 

Throwing nicely, no picks, nice targeting, and he even found holes to run 41 yards.

 

Culpepper is not back yet, but that 2nd half in green bay has a good chance of turning this team around..

 

Comment all you want with the 'Vikings suck 2-12 blah blah blah' 'were up agianst whoever' They are still a NFL team who just won a big game, they are not out yet.

[Crestwood 0]

wow this thread is funny.

 

3 sets of fans for 3 seperate, yet equally sh*tty teams, talking about how bad the other team(s) in the division sucks.

 

this is like one 220 girl calling 2 other 240 pound girls a "fat slobs". they are equally disgusting to look at; doesnt matter if one is a shade lighter then the other, all the teams are still an eyesore.

 

if these eams continue to play this badly, the nfl shouldnt let a team from the nfc north division go to the playoffs this year out of principal. kinda like the padres in baseball this year.

[Artowis 0]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good. The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points. The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football. When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football. It also makes it easier to score points.

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out. The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch.

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be. Rodgers will be able to start fresh. If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year. Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender. Sherman will likely be fired. The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild. Not a complete disaster.

Pretty much true, though the team should've been cut down and brought back a few years ago. Farve and Green have been keeping the Packers in mediocrity for some time now. Unable to actually do anything actually useful every season, but also unable to crash and burn (like this season) to begin the rebuilding process from the ground up. Kind of reminds me of what happened to the 49ers for a number of years.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Two very bad teams played to an exciting finish.

 

By the way, why don't the Packers let Favre go to a team next season that has a chance to win if he wants to? Green Bay can't win a Super Bowl while he is still good enough to play. Shouldn't they at least let him have that say after all he has done for them?

Favre will never go, he has said as much. It will simply never happen and those who suggest this (did you steal it from Bill Simmons a few weeks ago?) are pretty ignorant about the guy. Like he wants to go to another place, learn another system, figure out other WRs...at this point in his career? Please.

 

Let him have that say? Who is not? Which Packer fans are forcing him to stay? He is not wanting to leave...he has had his say, and he has said over and over he will not play anywhere else.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good.  The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points.  The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football.    When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football.    It also makes it easier to score points. 

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out.  The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch. 

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.   

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be.  Rodgers will be able to start fresh.  If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year.  Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender.  Sherman will likely be fired.    The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild.    Not a complete disaster.

Pretty much true, though the team should've been cut down and brought back a few years ago. Farve and Green have been keeping the Packers in mediocrity for some time now. Unable to actually do anything actually useful every season, but also unable to crash and burn (like this season) to begin the rebuilding process from the ground up. Kind of reminds me of what happened to the 49ers for a number of years.

Favre and Green have been keeping them in mediocrity?

 

Favre and Green have kept them competetive...they are not holding the team back...and have not been.

 

Who has? Mike Sherman as a GM definately did...Thompson is fixing his problems.

[Jay 0]

This is Favre's team for as long as he wants it. He's earned the right, and he's still playing at a very high level. There was never any reason to cut the team down and build it back up. This is a team that has been in the playoffs the last few years and without a debacle on the last play in Philly two years ago, would have been playing in the NFC championship game with a shot at the Super Bowl. Favre doesn't want to learn a new system, much less go to another team. He has said so multiple times in the past few years. I personally think that this has kept Sherman off the hot seat until very recently. Favre is Sherman's meal ticket, and it's pretty clear that both will be gone at the end of the year, Favre by choice, and Sherman as a result. This is the perfect time for the Packers to begin rebuilding. I would have liked to have a better base of young talent to be building with, but there are some good young players here too. Hey, it's been a great run, and I'm happy to have been a Packer fan during the run of one of the greatest QBs of all time. The lean rebuilding years are coming, but they were not unexpected.

[HilltopperVike 0]

Minnesota needed a 56 yard field goal at home to barely beat the GB second/third string team.

 

When the Packers were relatively healthy in the first half they were completely dominating both sides of the ball.

 

Injuries are part of the game. Unfortunately the Packers are getting hit hard.

waaa waaa, we have injuries, waa waa

 

 

what team doesn't have injuries????

[swamp dog 0]

I'm not a fan of either team but I watched the whole game.

 

Farve was Dominant the First half.

 

End of first half Daunte made 2 really nice throws that were dropped.

 

2nd Half it was all Culpepper, he was playing very very well.

 

Throwing nicely, no picks, nice targeting, and he even found holes to run 41 yards.

 

Culpepper is not back yet, but that 2nd half in green bay has a good chance of turning this team around..

 

Comment all you want with the 'Vikings suck 2-12 blah blah blah' 'were up agianst whoever' They are still a NFL team who just won a big game, they are not out yet.

the vikes are very much in it along with the bears and lions. those of us that predicted a vike-lion fight for the division stand a good chance of being proven correct at the end of the year, though the bears now look to be there at the end, too.

[hoffdaddy 1]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good.  The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points.  The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football.    When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football.    It also makes it easier to score points. 

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out.  The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch. 

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.   

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be.  Rodgers will be able to start fresh.  If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year.  Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender.  Sherman will likely be fired.    The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild.    Not a complete disaster.

Well said. The upcoming schedule is brutal.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good. The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points. The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football. When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football. It also makes it easier to score points.

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out. The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch.

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be. Rodgers will be able to start fresh. If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year. Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender. Sherman will likely be fired. The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild. Not a complete disaster.

When Rodgers starts you will be looking at another 1-5 start......actually 0-6.....so it will be another disaster. Also, Javon will not be the same player one year after an ACL. It takes players 2 years (see Edge), and sometimes they never come back being the same. And without Rodgers, Javon is not a solid WR anymore. Brett has made Freeman, Chatman, Brooks, Scroeder look like NFL WRs when in reality they all sucked without Brett. Finally your top 5 pick will not really contribute until mid way of the season, if you are lucky. If it is a DL, it might not happen for a year. Look around the league....

[donhaas 18]

I'm not a fan of either team but I watched the whole game.

 

Farve was Dominant the First half.

 

End of first half Daunte made 2 really nice throws that were dropped.

 

2nd Half it was all Culpepper, he was playing very very well.

 

Throwing nicely, no picks, nice targeting, and he even found holes to run 41 yards.

 

Culpepper is not back yet, but that 2nd half in green bay has a good chance of turning this team around..

 

Comment all you want with the 'Vikings suck 2-12 blah blah blah' 'were up agianst whoever'  They are still a NFL team who just won a big game, they are not out yet.

the vikes are very much in it along with the bears and lions. those of us that predicted a vike-lion fight for the division stand a good chance of being proven correct at the end of the year, though the bears now look to be there at the end, too.

Bears look to possibly be there in the end, too???

 

How kind of you after they kicked the living sh!t out of your Arizona Cardinals East 38-6.

 

[Sweetness_34 0]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good.   The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points.   The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football.     When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football.    It also makes it easier to score points.  

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out.   The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch.  

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.   

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be.   Rodgers will be able to start fresh.   If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year.   Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender.  Sherman will likely be fired.    The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild.    Not a complete disaster.

Pretty much true, though the team should've been cut down and brought back a few years ago. Farve and Green have been keeping the Packers in mediocrity for some time now. Unable to actually do anything actually useful every season, but also unable to crash and burn (like this season) to begin the rebuilding process from the ground up. Kind of reminds me of what happened to the 49ers for a number of years.

Favre and Green have been keeping them in mediocrity?

 

Favre and Green have kept them competetive...they are not holding the team back...and have not been.

 

Who has? Mike Sherman as a GM definately did...Thompson is fixing his problems.

What has TT done to fix any problems? If anything, he did absolutely nothing all off season. Say what you want, look around the league if you do not believe me, but when you have a solid QB, you have a chance to win it all, and it is your duty to put other pieces around him. Once that QB is gone, and you start with an Aaron Rodgers, the other pieces will look worse than they do right now. ANd you will forever be in that quagmire unless you get a dominant defense or a Carson Palmer or Tom Brady.

 

TT is as much to blame for this mess as Sherman.

[GoBucky1 2]

Packers suck...the excuse of injuries is sooo lame...Green got injured in the fourth quarter with about 7 minutes to go...look at his yards per rush. The packers got the lead in the first half because the Vikings gave away opportunities like fumble on 25 yards. Vikes D played great in the second half and the CPep took the Packers D apart...

 

So, in general, don't use lame excuses for your loss. Just accept that the Vikes played great football to cover the 17 points deficit...with this victory they will be back as the favorites for NFC North.

LMAO!!!! Just because they beat a terrible Packer team at home, they're now the NFC North favorites? Their only wins were against terrible teams at home, and one took a 56 yard FG to pull it out! I guess your memory doesn't go back a week when the Bears kicked their asses all over the field, huh? Get real, the Queens suck and will all year!

[donhaas 18]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good.   The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points.   The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football.     When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football.    It also makes it easier to score points.  

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out.   The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch.  

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.   

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be.   Rodgers will be able to start fresh.   If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year.   Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender.  Sherman will likely be fired.    The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild.    Not a complete disaster.

Pretty much true, though the team should've been cut down and brought back a few years ago. Farve and Green have been keeping the Packers in mediocrity for some time now. Unable to actually do anything actually useful every season, but also unable to crash and burn (like this season) to begin the rebuilding process from the ground up. Kind of reminds me of what happened to the 49ers for a number of years.

Favre and Green have been keeping them in mediocrity?

 

Favre and Green have kept them competetive...they are not holding the team back...and have not been.

 

Who has? Mike Sherman as a GM definately did...Thompson is fixing his problems.

What has TT done to fix any problems? If anything, he did absolutely nothing all off season. Say what you want, look around the league if you do not believe me, but when you have a solid QB, you have a chance to win it all, and it is your duty to put other pieces around him. Once that QB is gone, and you start with an Aaron Rodgers, the other pieces will look worse than they do right now. ANd you will forever be in that quagmire unless you get a dominant defense or a Carson Palmer or Tom Brady.

 

TT is as much to blame for this mess as Sherman.

You have no grip on the Packers cap situation. What would you have done? Kept Sharper? Couldn't afford it. Kept the guards? No way in he11 we could afford that? Sign Reggie White to a FA contract? Couldn't afford it.

 

It's much too early to say whether TT is doing a good or bad job IMHO. We'll know in a few years.

[dreadlocks34 0]

Two very bad teams played to an exciting finish.

 

By the way, why don't the Packers let Favre go to a team next season that has a chance to win if he wants to?  Green Bay can't win a Super Bowl while he is still good enough to play.  Shouldn't they at least let him have that say after all he has done for them?

Favre will never go, he has said as much. It will simply never happen and those who suggest this (did you steal it from Bill Simmons a few weeks ago?) are pretty ignorant about the guy. Like he wants to go to another place, learn another system, figure out other WRs...at this point in his career? Please.

 

Let him have that say? Who is not? Which Packer fans are forcing him to stay? He is not wanting to leave...he has had his say, and he has said over and over he will not play anywhere else.

This wasn't supposed to be a shot at Packer fans at all. All I was saying is that Green Bay obviously isn't going to win much in the mext few seasons and if Favre wanted a chance to win somewhere else the team should let him have that opportunity. If he wants to play more but stay there, good for him then. I just think he has done enough to say he doesn't want to be part of rebuilding at the end of his career.

 

I would say the same thing for Kevin Garnett here. If the Wolves suck and are still rebuilding and he is coming up on the end years from now, I would think the Wolves should let him try and win a title somewhere else if he wants to.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I'm not a fan of either team but I watched the whole game.

 

Farve was Dominant the First half.

 

End of first half Daunte made 2 really nice throws that were dropped.

 

2nd Half it was all Culpepper, he was playing very very well.

 

Throwing nicely, no picks, nice targeting, and he even found holes to run 41 yards.

 

Culpepper is not back yet, but that 2nd half in green bay has a good chance of turning this team around..

 

Comment all you want with the 'Vikings suck 2-12 blah blah blah' 'were up agianst whoever'  They are still a NFL team who just won a big game, they are not out yet.

the vikes are very much in it along with the bears and lions. those of us that predicted a vike-lion fight for the division stand a good chance of being proven correct at the end of the year, though the bears now look to be there at the end, too.

Dumb fock

 

The Bears manhandled both the Lydowns and the Vikings. I know you have no clue about reality but get a grip. Don't u have to go polish Suckington's knob? His feelings might be wounded given he may never get to play QB again with the Lydowns.....or any other NFL team.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good.   The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points.   The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football.     When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football.    It also makes it easier to score points.  

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out.   The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch.  

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.   

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be.   Rodgers will be able to start fresh.   If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year.   Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender.  Sherman will likely be fired.    The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild.    Not a complete disaster.

Pretty much true, though the team should've been cut down and brought back a few years ago. Farve and Green have been keeping the Packers in mediocrity for some time now. Unable to actually do anything actually useful every season, but also unable to crash and burn (like this season) to begin the rebuilding process from the ground up. Kind of reminds me of what happened to the 49ers for a number of years.

Favre and Green have been keeping them in mediocrity?

 

Favre and Green have kept them competetive...they are not holding the team back...and have not been.

 

Who has? Mike Sherman as a GM definately did...Thompson is fixing his problems.

What has TT done to fix any problems? If anything, he did absolutely nothing all off season. Say what you want, look around the league if you do not believe me, but when you have a solid QB, you have a chance to win it all, and it is your duty to put other pieces around him. Once that QB is gone, and you start with an Aaron Rodgers, the other pieces will look worse than they do right now. ANd you will forever be in that quagmire unless you get a dominant defense or a Carson Palmer or Tom Brady.

 

TT is as much to blame for this mess as Sherman.

You have no grip on the Packers cap situation. What would you have done? Kept Sharper? Couldn't afford it. Kept the guards? No way in he11 we could afford that? Sign Reggie White to a FA contract? Couldn't afford it.

 

It's much too early to say whether TT is doing a good or bad job IMHO. We'll know in a few years.

You do not have to make big time splashings in the FA market to make it work. Look at the Patriots and their spendings over the years.

 

Why did TT draft a QB and WR with top 2 picks when clearly they were not going to help this year?

[GoBucky1 2]

The Bears D hasn't given up a TD in 8 1/2 quarters, and Orton is playing like a steady QB who's not making mistakes. The Bears have the upper hand on this division!

[dreadlocks34 0]

I'm not a fan of either team but I watched the whole game.

 

Farve was Dominant the First half.

 

End of first half Daunte made 2 really nice throws that were dropped.

 

2nd Half it was all Culpepper, he was playing very very well.

 

Throwing nicely, no picks, nice targeting, and he even found holes to run 41 yards.

 

Culpepper is not back yet, but that 2nd half in green bay has a good chance of turning this team around..

 

Comment all you want with the 'Vikings suck 2-12 blah blah blah' 'were up agianst whoever'  They are still a NFL team who just won a big game, they are not out yet.

the vikes are very much in it along with the bears and lions. those of us that predicted a vike-lion fight for the division stand a good chance of being proven correct at the end of the year, though the bears now look to be there at the end, too.

Dumb fock

 

The Bears manhandled both the Lydowns and the Vikings. I know you have no clue about reality but get a grip. Don't u have to go polish Suckington's knob? His feelings might be wounded given he may never get to play QB again with the Lydowns.....or any other NFL team.

Great the Bears beat two crappy teams.

 

If Harrington was the quarterback of the Bears this season, I think they have the same record. Kyle Orton hasn't had the playing time Harrington has, but he really hasn't done anything other than be a warm body back there. Thomas Jones and the defense have won those games.

[GoBucky1 2]

I'm not a fan of either team but I watched the whole game.

 

Farve was Dominant the First half.

 

End of first half Daunte made 2 really nice throws that were dropped.

 

2nd Half it was all Culpepper, he was playing very very well.

 

Throwing nicely, no picks, nice targeting, and he even found holes to run 41 yards.

 

Culpepper is not back yet, but that 2nd half in green bay has a good chance of turning this team around..

 

Comment all you want with the 'Vikings suck 2-12 blah blah blah' 'were up agianst whoever'  They are still a NFL team who just won a big game, they are not out yet.

the vikes are very much in it along with the bears and lions. those of us that predicted a vike-lion fight for the division stand a good chance of being proven correct at the end of the year, though the bears now look to be there at the end, too.

Dumb fock

 

The Bears manhandled both the Lydowns and the Vikings. I know you have no clue about reality but get a grip. Don't u have to go polish Suckington's knob? His feelings might be wounded given he may never get to play QB again with the Lydowns.....or any other NFL team.

Great the Bears beat two crappy teams.

 

If Harrington was the quarterback of the Bears this season, I think they have the same record. Kyle Orton hasn't had the playing time Harrington has, but he really hasn't done anything other than be a warm body back there. Thomas Jones and the defense have won those games.

Correct...and the main thing you said is "won those games"!

[dreadlocks34 0]

I'm not a fan of either team but I watched the whole game.

 

Farve was Dominant the First half.

 

End of first half Daunte made 2 really nice throws that were dropped.

 

2nd Half it was all Culpepper, he was playing very very well.

 

Throwing nicely, no picks, nice targeting, and he even found holes to run 41 yards.

 

Culpepper is not back yet, but that 2nd half in green bay has a good chance of turning this team around..

 

Comment all you want with the 'Vikings suck 2-12 blah blah blah' 'were up agianst whoever'  They are still a NFL team who just won a big game, they are not out yet.

the vikes are very much in it along with the bears and lions. those of us that predicted a vike-lion fight for the division stand a good chance of being proven correct at the end of the year, though the bears now look to be there at the end, too.

Dumb fock

 

The Bears manhandled both the Lydowns and the Vikings. I know you have no clue about reality but get a grip. Don't u have to go polish Suckington's knob? His feelings might be wounded given he may never get to play QB again with the Lydowns.....or any other NFL team.

Great the Bears beat two crappy teams.

 

If Harrington was the quarterback of the Bears this season, I think they have the same record. Kyle Orton hasn't had the playing time Harrington has, but he really hasn't done anything other than be a warm body back there. Thomas Jones and the defense have won those games.

Correct...and the main thing you said is "won those games"!

Joey Harrington and Kyle Orton are not going to win games by themselves. Not now or not ever. They both could hold the "warm body Trent Dilfer" job and let the rest of the team win the game while they hand off or make high percentage passes.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good.  The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points.  The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football.    When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football.    It also makes it easier to score points. 

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out.  The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch. 

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.   

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be.  Rodgers will be able to start fresh.  If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year.  Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender.  Sherman will likely be fired.    The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild.    Not a complete disaster.

Pretty much true, though the team should've been cut down and brought back a few years ago. Farve and Green have been keeping the Packers in mediocrity for some time now. Unable to actually do anything actually useful every season, but also unable to crash and burn (like this season) to begin the rebuilding process from the ground up. Kind of reminds me of what happened to the 49ers for a number of years.

Favre and Green have been keeping them in mediocrity?

 

Favre and Green have kept them competetive...they are not holding the team back...and have not been.

 

Who has? Mike Sherman as a GM definately did...Thompson is fixing his problems.

What has TT done to fix any problems? If anything, he did absolutely nothing all off season. Say what you want, look around the league if you do not believe me, but when you have a solid QB, you have a chance to win it all, and it is your duty to put other pieces around him. Once that QB is gone, and you start with an Aaron Rodgers, the other pieces will look worse than they do right now. ANd you will forever be in that quagmire unless you get a dominant defense or a Carson Palmer or Tom Brady.

 

TT is as much to blame for this mess as Sherman.

Dumped a ton of cap before the down year rather than after....

 

He is fixing Sherman's draft and contract mistakes....

 

Sharper, Joe Johnson, Jamal Reynolds....

 

TT was given a half a deck of cards...and many of those cards were overpriced and not useful. He is building...that is his job. I put no blame on that guy for not being able to sign 2 guards because Sherman screwed the cap long ago.

[GoBucky1 2]

I'm not a fan of either team but I watched the whole game.

 

Farve was Dominant the First half.

 

End of first half Daunte made 2 really nice throws that were dropped.

 

2nd Half it was all Culpepper, he was playing very very well.

 

Throwing nicely, no picks, nice targeting, and he even found holes to run 41 yards.

 

Culpepper is not back yet, but that 2nd half in green bay has a good chance of turning this team around..

 

Comment all you want with the 'Vikings suck 2-12 blah blah blah' 'were up agianst whoever'  They are still a NFL team who just won a big game, they are not out yet.

the vikes are very much in it along with the bears and lions. those of us that predicted a vike-lion fight for the division stand a good chance of being proven correct at the end of the year, though the bears now look to be there at the end, too.

Dumb fock

 

The Bears manhandled both the Lydowns and the Vikings. I know you have no clue about reality but get a grip. Don't u have to go polish Suckington's knob? His feelings might be wounded given he may never get to play QB again with the Lydowns.....or any other NFL team.

Great the Bears beat two crappy teams.

 

If Harrington was the quarterback of the Bears this season, I think they have the same record. Kyle Orton hasn't had the playing time Harrington has, but he really hasn't done anything other than be a warm body back there. Thomas Jones and the defense have won those games.

Correct...and the main thing you said is "won those games"!

Joey Harrington and Kyle Orton are not going to win games by themselves. Not now or not ever. They both could hold the "warm body Trent Dilfer" job and let the rest of the team win the game while they hand off or make high percentage passes.

...and?

[Sho Nuff 720]

You do not have to make big time splashings in the FA market to make it work. Look at the Patriots and their spendings over the years.

 

Why did TT draft a QB and WR with top 2 picks when clearly they were not going to help this year?

Are you trying to prove our point?

 

TT is doing his job...which is not solely to win this year.

 

There is not one defensive player that could have been taken to make this team better at those spots...nor even an offensive lineman.

 

And at WR...obviously we needed several.

 

Had he not picked a QB, people would be complaining that they have done nothing to address life after Favre (as people have been bashing the Packers for the past 3-4 years saying they had done nothing).

 

Yes, look at the Patriots...was it done overnight with a team that was well over the cap? Not at all.

[hoffdaddy 1]

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that Minnesota fans (and Detroit fans) think that the Packer fans are trying to say that the Packers are good or are at some point during this season going to be good.   The question raised was why did the Packers lose a game that they were up by 17 points.   The simple answer is that they stopped being able to move the football.     When you have the football, your opponent doesn't have the football.    It also makes it easier to score points.  

 

Again, the Packers were bad going in, they are worse coming out.   The Vikings are still bad after beating a severely depleted Packers squad, and no one from the North is going to do anything, and the Packers look like the worst of the bunch.  

 

If they are going to be bad, there is a part of me that is kind of glad that the Packers are going to be bad enough to push through major change in the off-season.   

 

Favre is likely to retire rather than go through a season like this one will be.   Rodgers will be able to start fresh.   If Walker comes back healthy, it's like getting another top-5 pick out of the deal, compared to this year.   Davenport should sign for cheap after his season-ender.  Sherman will likely be fired.    The team will likely have a top 5 draft pick to help rebuild.    Not a complete disaster.

Pretty much true, though the team should've been cut down and brought back a few years ago. Farve and Green have been keeping the Packers in mediocrity for some time now. Unable to actually do anything actually useful every season, but also unable to crash and burn (like this season) to begin the rebuilding process from the ground up. Kind of reminds me of what happened to the 49ers for a number of years.

Favre and Green have been keeping them in mediocrity?

 

Favre and Green have kept them competetive...they are not holding the team back...and have not been.

 

Who has? Mike Sherman as a GM definately did...Thompson is fixing his problems.

What has TT done to fix any problems? If anything, he did absolutely nothing all off season. Say what you want, look around the league if you do not believe me, but when you have a solid QB, you have a chance to win it all, and it is your duty to put other pieces around him. Once that QB is gone, and you start with an Aaron Rodgers, the other pieces will look worse than they do right now. ANd you will forever be in that quagmire unless you get a dominant defense or a Carson Palmer or Tom Brady.

 

TT is as much to blame for this mess as Sherman.

You have no grip on the Packers cap situation. What would you have done? Kept Sharper? Couldn't afford it. Kept the guards? No way in he11 we could afford that? Sign Reggie White to a FA contract? Couldn't afford it.

 

It's much too early to say whether TT is doing a good or bad job IMHO. We'll know in a few years.

You do not have to make big time splashings in the FA market to make it work. Look at the Patriots and their spendings over the years.

 

Why did TT draft a QB and WR with top 2 picks when clearly they were not going to help this year?

Well, the Murphy pick was looking damn intelligent when Walker when down. Murphy was making an impact before he alomst got killed on a kick return.

 

Also, Nick Collins, the starting safety who was/is playing as good or better than Sharper, was also a second round pick.

 

Thompson found two impact guys in the first two rounds. One on defense, one on offense. I think I also saw rookie Bray Poppinga make a play or two yesterday at DE or LB. He was a late pick.

 

As an aside. I hear this all the time? Thompson did nothing to help THIS season. Well, there is more than ONE hole on this team. Drafting a D player in round one wouldn't have made a difference. That's ONE guy. And he did get a good safety in round two.

 

Thompson DID go the signing cheap free agents route, but many didn't pan out. Arturo Freeman was one. Raynoch Thompson was another.

 

On the flip side, the leading tackler on this team is Robert Thomas. The guy Thompson traded Chris Johonson for? Who is Chris Johnson? Exactly.

 

All in all, Thompson did OK in season one. His early picks were/are contributing. He cut the junk players soaking up money (Hunt), he attempted to bring in cheap free agents, when it didn't work he traded to fill in a gap.

 

Not a bad start. This team was FAR away from one or two decent free agent veterans just plugging holes.