Viking Fans

[mark32esu 18]

There arent many viking fans where im from and i was just curious to hear what you think about culpepper being traded and what childress is doing up there in minny.

[bammbamm 0]

when duante wanted more money after having a horrible 1/2 season AND blowing out his knee I was glad to see him go. i was suprised they got a 2nd round pick for him; i thought they would be lucky to get a 3rd rounder. i think childress' team first concept. they franchise has had enough me first babies in the last few years and Tice was a big reason for that. if they wouldnt have gotten hutchinson i would have said the free agency period would have been a C but now after getting hutchinson AND richardson back to back i give it an A. i dont know who is going to play RG but like the line of McKinnie, Hutchinson, Birk, whoever and Marcus Johnson. i wonder if their spending spree is over or if they will match whatever offer for Burleson.

[HilltopperVike 0]

Heil to Daunte getting traded!!! Best move in a while!!

 

I think Childress is finally the coach we have needed in Minny. A guy who doesn't play favorites, and a guy who wants real leaders in the locker room.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Heil to Daunte getting traded!!! Best move in a while!!

 

I think Childress is finally the coach we have needed in Minny. A guy who doesn't play favorites, and a guy who wants real leaders in the locker room.

 

And he is showing that by bashing a player in the press who is not even on the team anymore.

 

While fans may be somewhat happy...the Vikings have traded away their offense in two years for what basically amounts to a 1st round pick last year a 2nd round pick this year and a mediocre LB.

[DuckStupid 40]

And he is showing that by bashing a player in the press who is not even on the team anymore.

 

While fans may be somewhat happy...the Vikings have traded away their offense in two years for what basically amounts to a 1st round pick last year a 2nd round pick this year and a mediocre LB.

 

 

and the vikes got the better end of the deal.

[darwin 0]

I've been saying for three years that Daunte is only good when his legs are a threat. When he's gimpy and sits in the pocket, he panics and makes dumb moves. He's not smart enough or a fast enough thinker when he sits in the pocket and never will be. He looked like a deer in the headlights last season before the injury. When totally healthy he has confidence and can make things happen, but it's been a long time since that was true. Now with this horrid knee injury, he will suck for 2 years until it's totally healed. This trade was a steal! The Vikings dodged a bullet letting him go and I was thrilled they got a 2nd rounder for him, as I thought he would be cut outright.

 

This was the same scenario with Moss. Moss has had lingering foot/ankle problems for over 2 years now. The Vikings knew it and dodged a bullet trading him. He's still talented, but how did his suspect feet do last year? That's right! they reappeared, as did Moss the "decoy". There's a reason Moss kept his mouth shut last year, he know's he's gimpy and not going to be the stud WR he used to be.

 

The Vikings in 2 years have eliminated all their problem children and troublemakers.

[Sho Nuff 720]

and the vikes got the better end of the deal.

 

Not so sure about that in the grand scheme of things...definately not in the Moss deal.

 

As I said...basically the entire offense is gone in two years...and the Vikings got a mediocre LB and 2 draft picks.

[mozzy84 0]

Not so sure about that in the grand scheme of things...definately not in the Moss deal.

 

As I said...basically the entire offense is gone in two years...and the Vikings got a mediocre LB and 2 draft picks.

 

Both of those guys had bigtime issues before they got traded you know that, they could hardly give Dante away, getting anything for him was a bonus. Moss has to stay healthy for a full year or the vikes are going to look pretty smart actually, plus they have alot more cash to spend on other needs with his high salary gone and with red gone they are actually doing something with it. I think there offseason has been going great so far.

[darwin 0]

Not so sure about that in the grand scheme of things...definately not in the Moss deal.

 

As I said...basically the entire offense is gone in two years...and the Vikings got a mediocre LB and 2 draft picks.

 

...And saved a ton of money and headaches, which they have parlayed into a much better Defense.

And they still have picks left, and more money to spend.

 

I can't understand why people think Culpeppar to Moss was some magical connection that could have kept going for years longer. That was a remnant from the Denny Green era.

Look how Denny handles Arizona. All they do is throw it deep. Denny pumped up the stats and the ego of the Moss-Daunte connection and let the rest of the team slide. Now we're supposed to keep paying the 2 of them big money to be gimpy?

 

In summary: Denny Green and Moss' immense skill when younger built Daunte up into a paper tiger. Moss is talented, but will never again stay healthy for a year and post those numbers. Daunte was EXPOSED and will be further exposed as he tries to become a pocket passer, which he is NOT. The Vikings sold both those stocks while still high and will be laughing to the bank over the next few years.

[mozzy84 0]

...And saved a ton of money and headaches, which they have parlayed into a much better Defense.

And they still have picks left, and more money to spend.

 

I can't understand why people think Culpeppar to Moss was some magical connection that could have kept going for years longer. That was a remnant from the Denny Green era.

Look how Denny handles Arizona. All they do is throw it deep. Denny pumped up the stats and the ego of the Moss-Daunte connection and let the rest of the team slide. Now we're supposed to keep paying the 2 of them big money to be gimpy?

 

In summary: Denny Green and Moss' immense skill when younger built Daunte up into a paper tiger. Moss is talented, but will never again stay healthy for a year and post those numbers. Daunte was EXPOSED and will be further exposed as he tries to become a pocket passer, which he is NOT. The Vikings sold both those stocks while still high and will be laughing to the bank over the next few years.

 

I agree with everything you said except the last sentence, I don't think we would have even traded dante had he not wanted more money and would actually work his knee out up here, his value was about as low as it gets with the injury and the whining for more cash. But they did get something at least.

[darwin 0]

I think Daunte's stock is as high now as it will ever be again.

He just isn't as good as Moss, Denny, and his younger legs made him out to be.

 

I agree they would have worked with him, but I'm Daunte threw the hissy fit and got traded, as I've never been happy with him.

[HilltopperVike 0]

Yea sure we traded away our offense, but it was about off the field behavior that really mattered and disrupted the team, well and on the field "i play when i want to play" stuff. A team can gain back offensive players through free agency and the draft.

[Smol0028 0]

I am sooooooooooo tired of people saying we traded away our offense. Moss is getting old and he had his WORST SEASON EVER last year. He has had lingering injuries for a few years now and his biggest problem is that he's too stubborn and has too much of an ego to just sit out a few games. He plays through injuries so they never really heal. Don't get me wrong he will still be decent but not even close to what he was.

 

As far as Daunte goes....he is an IDIOT....listen to him talk....he can barely form sentences. QB's need to be smart and think fast (look at Peyton and Brady).....Daunte is none of the above. Add in the fact that he had one of the worst knee injuries and will never have the mobility that he once had......he's CRAP.

 

Enjoy our sloppy seconds MIA

[listen2me 23 1,873]

I am sooooooooooo tired of people saying we traded away our offense. Moss is getting old and he had his WORST SEASON EVER last year. He has had lingering injuries for a few years now and his biggest problem is that he's too stubborn and has too much of an ego to just sit out a few games. He plays through injuries so they never really heal. Don't get me wrong he will still be decent but not even close to what he was.

 

As far as Daunte goes....he is an IDIOT....listen to him talk....he can barely form sentences. QB's need to be smart and think fast (look at Peyton and Brady).....Daunte is none of the above. Add in the fact that he had one of the worst knee injuries and will never have the mobility that he once had......he's CRAP.

 

Enjoy our sloppy seconds MIA

 

Moss and CPepp both have a lot left....when not injured....

 

I see the Vikes and Lions in an absolute mess....while the pack are rebuiling which will take a while....

 

sad to say the Bears are the class of the NFC Norris....

[Smol0028 0]

You are crazy to compare the Lions with the Vikings!!! The Vikings have completely rebuilt their team the past 2 yrs. New coaches, new key additions to def, key additions to special teams, and now new offense.

 

The Vikings will be a TEAM for the first time in a few years.....and I have to tell you, it feels good.

 

I agree that Moss may still have some left but not enough to deal with all his other BS. I was and am a big Moss fan. I loved watching the Vikes a few years back when Moss and Pep would light up defenses left and right....those days are long gone. And the simple fact is that they never won the big game.

 

I have said this for years.....Superbowls are won and lost by your LINES (offense and defense) I like that they are spending money on both lines and focusing their attention there first. If you have an awesome O-line.....you can make a good QB GREAT and a good rb GREAT. Spend the money on the lines.....get a SMART QB and some decent WR and RB and that is what wins games my friend!!!

[listen2me 23 1,873]

You are crazy to compare the Lions with the Vikings!!! The Vikings have completely rebuilt their team the past 2 yrs. New coaches, new key additions to def, key additions to special teams, and now new offense.

 

The Vikings will be a TEAM for the first time in a few years.....and I have to tell you, it feels good.

 

I agree that Moss may still have some left but not enough to deal with all his other BS. I was and am a big Moss fan. I loved watching the Vikes a few years back when Moss and Pep would light up defenses left and right....those days are long gone. And the simple fact is that they never won the big game.

 

I have said this for years.....Superbowls are won and lost by your LINES (offense and defense) I like that they are spending money on both lines and focusing their attention there first. If you have an awesome O-line.....you can make a good QB GREAT and a good rb GREAT. Spend the money on the lines.....get a SMART QB and some decent WR and RB and that is what wins games my friend!!!

 

ok the Lions have new coaching.....the Vikes have turned into the mini Skins who pay too many FAs....but they have lost their 2 stars.....

 

by the way i wasnt comparing them.....just looking at their rosters they, it doesnt look like they are in a rebuilding mode or ready to compete for a championship....so both teams look a little lost...

[LunaTick 30]

First off Players and Trades:

Moss stats last season was nothing to brag about.

Vikes drafted a WR and added depth at the same time. It will be 2 more years before we can even begin to grade that trade. and about 3 years for Culpepper.

 

Second, Past Stats, Current Health and Future Potential:

Moss has been playing with pain for years, last year would be at least 3 in a row, maybe 4.

There are times when one has to wonder why he is even out there. Decoy is only good if the speed and jumping abilities are there.

Culpepper, no matter his stats, has always had problems with his tells. He stares down his receivers and cannot quickly scan the field. These are things which directly do not show up in the stat sheet and thus You Dumb ____ FF'ers cannot fathom how this hinders a team from getting into the playoffs or past the first round.

 

Third, Running Game:

Without one, Dante cannot keep the defense honest. This includes his own ability to run. Otherwise teams with good secondary will simply sit back and pick him off. Simply wait to see which half of the field he is looking at as he hikes the ball. Shift the secondary that way and double up the player he was looking at. Play tight onto those other options on that half of the field. Ignore the other half, Dante will panic before he ever glances in that direction. Ever wonder why Moss would take plays off?

 

Really, the nationally media is just so clueless.

 

Fourth, The issue with Culpepper:

He has never been the leader of the vikes. He has not put himself to be visible with the organization or the fans.

All one has to say ie EMAILS.

Emails is how Culpepper chose to communicate to all in the end.

He had developed, in all this time, any relationships with the media to talk things over with them.

 

Until the injury, I would stand up for this dumb stupid idiot on this board.

But as the weeks progressed, and Dante was no where to be found.

He stayed away from the organization, rarely attended games.

Never talked with the media. Never let fans know how he was doing, etc.

 

He just wasn't there.

 

So, I say, get your head out of the fantasy world posters and ask yourself this.

If you had a coworker that behaved this way, why would you stand up for them.

You wouldtn'

Why should fans do this.

 

[Smol0028 0]

I don't see Moss and Pep as "Stars" anymore....not like they were or like other "stars" at their positions. Moss might be able to bring it back up a notch but he will never ever be the STAR player that people think he is or what he was.

 

I see leaders and team players on this team now. You can't win championships with 1 or 2 stars.....you win them with a team and good leaders. I really think you will be surprised with what you see out of the Vikes....there were glimpses in the second part of the season.

[Savage Beast 1]

It's not like the Vikings were winning any Super Bowls with Culpepper and Moss on their team. No big losses.

[uubeee 0]

I must be missing something.

 

Last year, Vikings fans defended the Moss trade even when most NFL fans viewed the trade as a rape. I heard 2 reoccurring themes (from Vikings fans) after this trade.

 

1. Addition by Subtraction.

2. Culpepper can now be the leader with Moss gone.

 

So what happened in 1 year that changed everyone's mind? I have read in this thread that some have been saying Culpepper needs to go for years, but I can't remember a single instance of 1 Viking fan saying that. Seriously, maybe I missed it, but last offseason was Culpepper will lead the team, and now you are all saying you are better off without him.

 

I think your franchise has no identity. Maybe Wilf will bring that to you, and maybe he needs to shed the players that bring the franchise down. But as of this moment, It looks like a franchise out of control. Spend big $$$ like ol Danny boy in Washington and hope it all comes together.

 

I just don't see it. Right now, this is the weakest division in the league with no real contenders.

 

$.02

[Smol0028 0]

....and I think the Vikings are in no way spending too much money on FA....did thye go out and get the BEST RB or LB.........NO becasue they are trying to get good guys at decent prices so we can fill multiple needs.

 

The only one we spent tons of money on was.... Hutch who is one of, if not, the best guard in the NFL.....hes also young and has many more yrs in him.....he will be worth every penny because he will make McKinny and Birk even better.....making the O-Line INSANE.....giving Johnson time to do what he does and Chester the holes needed to run.......giving the def a chance to rest....giving them the ability to stop the other team....giving MN A FRIGGIN SUPERBOWL!!!

 

IT ALL STARTS WITH YOUR LINES PEOPLE!!!!!!!

[uubeee 0]

....and I think the Vikings are in no way spending too much money on FA....did thye go out and get the BEST RB or LB.........NO becasue they are trying to get good guys at decent prices so we can fill multiple needs.

 

The only one we spent tons of money on was.... Hutch who is one of, if not, the best guard in the NFL.....hes also young and has many more yrs in him.....he will be worth every penny because he will make McKinny and Birk even better.....making the O-Line INSANE.....giving Johnson time to do what he does and Chester the holes needed to run.......giving the def a chance to rest....giving them the ability to stop the other team....giving MN A FRIGGIN SUPERBOWL!!!

 

IT ALL STARTS WITH YOUR LINES PEOPLE!!!!!!!

 

Thank you for making my point.

[Smol0028 0]

We did need Culpepper to step up and be the leader of this team....and Moss leaving gave him that oppurtunity BUT what it did was expose him and all his flaws = can't think fast and make good decisions. The greatest thing that happened to C Pep was getting hurt.....without that he would continued his downward sprial and probably would have gotten benched.

I could deal with some of his stuff (hurt knee and stupidity) but the demanding more moeny (he had a good contract), refusing to come up to MN and rehab, refusing to meet witht he new coach and learn his system.....thats just being a frickin baby and made most of MN hate him. I can't see how you could liek him after acting like that.....it's a slap in the face to the fans to have done nothing but imbrace him, even through the crappy times.

[Phurfur 70]

Not so sure about that in the grand scheme of things...definately not in the Moss deal.

 

As I said...basically the entire offense is gone in two years...and the Vikings got a mediocre LB and 2 draft picks.

 

 

So you traded away an offense that never won a NFC North Division Title. I don't see the problem.

[uubeee 0]

We did need Culpepper to step up and be the leader of this team....and Moss leaving gave him that oppurtunity BUT what it did was expose him and all his flaws = can't think fast and make good decisions. The greatest thing that happened to C Pep was getting hurt.....without that he would continued his downward sprial and probably would have gotten benched.

I could deal with some of his stuff (hurt knee and stupidity) but the demanding more moeny (he had a good contract), refusing to come up to MN and rehab, refusing to meet witht he new coach and learn his system.....thats just being a frickin baby and made most of MN hate him. I can't see how you could liek him after acting like that.....it's a slap in the face to the fans to have done nothing but imbrace him, even through the crappy times.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think Culpepper is a jackass. He is always blaming someone else for his problems. He should've taken lessons from Matt Birk on what it is to be a man.

 

My point was that sometimes fans have to face the music. And most fans refuse to do so. I really can't see (at this point in the offseason) any North Div team in the SB or even close. It could happen. It's the NFL afterall. But all 4 teams have gaping holes, new systems to learn, and new coaches and players to get used to. We all tend to focus on the positives, and that is all part of it. But even being a Vikings fan, you have to see a offseason pattern that you would hope Childress and Wilf will get away from.

[Smol0028 0]

Don't get me wrong. I think Culpepper is a jackass. He is always blaming someone else for his problems. He should've taken lessons from Matt Birk on what it is to be a man.

 

My point was that sometimes fans have to face the music. And most fans refuse to do so. I really can't see (at this point in the offseason) any North Div team in the SB or even close. It could happen. It's the NFL afterall. But all 4 teams have gaping holes, new systems to learn, and new coaches and players to get used to. We all tend to focus on the positives, and that is all part of it. But even being a Vikings fan, you have to see a offseason pattern that you would hope Childress and Wilf will get away from.

 

First off....Thanks for calling C Pep a jackass

 

2nd- Only bandwagon fans will dog on their team and think they won't win or go to the SB.

 

3rd- Last offseaon the Vikings were widley considered to be SB contenders....the loss of C Pep (which I think we have established doesn't really hurt our team cause he sucked it up last yr plus the injury) and FINALLY getting rid of Tice who was just not head coach material..... We only made improvments in the areas that we were hurting at......So I guess I don't get why people are so down on them this year and this offseason???

 

I will admit that maybe I have blinders on but I am trying to honestly look at the team as a football fan and I see a really good team??? I don't see any "gaping holes"??? The closes thing to a gapping hole is our LB's which we at leaset tried to address with Leber....and a future QB (which will be addressed in the draft)

[LunaTick 30]

UUBEE

 

The holes the hole the hole

 

Like last season at this time, the Oline looks solid. Better this than last.

 

But the big question marks remain on the Defensive side of the ball.

While the organization is still rebuilding through FA and Draft.

They are still wanting to be where they were when Denny came on board and slowly dismantled it.

(dismantled through attrition (annoying player to move), not drafting, overly focussing on offense).

 

My biggest concern or hole from last season is Safety/CB. Now they do have some good names.

But one of these, was injured for a good part of last season (and the season before for the skins) and our depth wanted to start as a CB and not as a Safety.

 

However last season the vikes finally did something with kicking and punting. Continued this again this season.

 

The biggest hole filled though is coaching.

 

Having lived through the era of Red McCombs Tice project. Where you pay your stars and find a coach willing to serve the stars. Versus what other teams do which is find a coach and have them manage their team.

 

We now have the makings of a complete staff.

 

Hopefully they don't have any "friends" which poorly coach a position.

 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

How i see the vikings....

 

I dont see any rebuilding mode or a run at a championship.....seems like they have been stuck in limbo with a level of average play for a while now....

 

before last year we all called C Pep a "star"...did we not?.....he has been the 1st 2nd or 3rd QB tooken in many years of ffball.....he is still a star!...

 

Moss can still change games....

 

I am not saying stars win SBs......but they do help and with that combo they struck fear in opposing Ds at least....

 

from a whole roster standpoint....

 

QB-have no idenity....Brad Johnson is old.....he is not the sort of QB that can lead a team to compete in a title race....and wont be around in 2 years when their young players start developing...

 

RB- I see no workhorse back to carry the load....still RBBC until proven otherwise...

 

WR- i see a bunch of average players....and with Johnson throwing the ball to them although efficiant.....bot real passing game threat...

 

O Line- paid too much for Hutch.....may be one of the top Gaurds but still paid him too much....although i respect them for going out and getting a quality player who they wanted....a pretty good O Line as it is but the right side is still somewhat of a question...

 

Dline- solid group.....young and talented will only get better.....this is their best group

 

LB- many concerns.....

 

DB- Smoot didnt turn out to be so hot....winfield is a great tackler but these guys have trouble covering stud WRs....lost Chavous that hurt...

 

Overall the players they go last year didnt look like they were changing their D in too big of a way.

 

With the loss of Moss and C Pep you have to say thats a downgrade at each position....each line is getting a lot better but they have no playmakers after that....what was once a dangerous Off. is now about average...

[uubeee 0]

First off....Thanks for calling C Pep a jackass

 

2nd- Only bandwagon fans will dog on their team and think they won't win or go to the SB.

 

3rd- Last offseaon the Vikings were widley considered to be SB contenders....the loss of C Pep (which I think we have established doesn't really hurt our team cause he sucked it up last yr plus the injury) and FINALLY getting rid of Tice who was just not head coach material..... We only made improvments in the areas that we were hurting at......So I guess I don't get why people are so down on them this year and this offseason???

 

I will admit that maybe I have blinders on but I am trying to honestly look at the team as a football fan and I see a really good team??? I don't see any "gaping holes"??? The closes thing to a gapping hole is our LB's which we at leaset tried to address with Leber....and a future QB (which will be addressed in the draft)

 

 

I'll disagree with the bandwagon comment. I try to look objectively at my team. I try to see the good and bad and then be optimistic about what will happen. Things happen, players get injured, refs blow calls, etc. Some teams are rebuilding, some teams or stagnant at .500, some teams seem to compete year in year out.

 

No doubt, Hutch is a vast improvement for the run game. Leber should help some @LB, the DB's are over rated, the coaching staff still has to yet to be graded as a whole.

 

I'm down on the whole division. There wasn't anything there last year. And I haven't seen enough change to warrant (at this time) anything being vastly different. To me, not one of these teams has a real good shot at knocking off Seattle. They may have lost Hutch, but they will fill the hole, and their defense will get stronger.

 

$.02

 

UUBEE

 

The holes the hole the hole

 

Like last season at this time, the Oline looks solid. Better this than last.

 

But the big question marks remain on the Defensive side of the ball.

While the organization is still rebuilding through FA and Draft.

They are still wanting to be where they were when Denny came on board and slowly dismantled it.

(dismantled through attrition (annoying player to move), not drafting, overly focussing on offense).

 

My biggest concern or hole from last season is Safety/CB. Now they do have some good names.

But one of these, was injured for a good part of last season (and the season before for the skins) and our depth wanted to start as a CB and not as a Safety.

 

However last season the vikes finally did something with kicking and punting. Continued this again this season.

 

The biggest hole filled though is coaching.

 

Having lived through the era of Red McCombs Tice project. Where you pay your stars and find a coach willing to serve the stars. Versus what other teams do which is find a coach and have them manage their team.

 

We now have the makings of a complete staff.

 

Hopefully they don't have any "friends" which poorly coach a position.

 

 

Can't argue with some of those points. Tice and McCombs were and embarassement to the NFL. Not to mention the Vikings mishaps on and off the field for the past several years. If they want to compete, I mean really compete for a chance at the title. They need to ditch the past and do things completely different. As much as I dislike the Pats (simply cause I got sick of seeing them win it all), you almost never heard anything bad in either the offseason or while playing. No distractions. Etc.

 

Being a Packer fan and stockholder, I hope they don't turn it around. But you can understand that.

[CA_7 0]

Question I have is why is Childress playing these childish games with the media and bashing Culpepper? It is over, concentrate on getting your team ready.

 

Sirius also said today that Childress refused to give Cpepp a playbook when he first joined the team because he didn't like his attitude. Yea Cpepp may have been a problem but would think the coach would have tried to be the better person with his franchise QB.

[Force of Two 0]

Question I have is why is Childress playing these childish games with the media and bashing Culpepper? It is over, concentrate on getting your team ready.

 

Sirius also said today that Childress refused to give Cpepp a playbook when he first joined the team because he didn't like his attitude. Yea Cpepp may have been a problem but would think the coach would have tried to be the better person with his franchise QB.

 

He's playing these childish games and bashing the guy in the media becuase thats how the Eagles do it as well...they have a true spirit of vindictiveness and cant place themselves above a situation...

 

TO turned a bunch of these dolts into little girls. Doesnt anyone know how to use conflict resolution

anymore? Childress should have traded the guy and been done with it...no need to bash the guy any further, he doesnt have to justify it just say that this wasnt the guy for this team and be done.

[goodwj 0]

I think daunte was turning into a pre-madonna. he was going to be a TO in no time according to my opinion. He said give me 10 million more than the raise you allready gave me with out asking, fired his agent, and in my opinion was just trying to get attention after BJ was leading us close to the playoffs (with help of our defense and special teams) so he was looking for attention again and found it in a negative way.

 

Miami fans, get ready to hear the excuse " Its not dauntes fault that he has tiny hands." because that season almost came down to predictibility , or even a science when culpepper was going to fumble. when ever he would drop back for a pass, and i know i am not the vikings fan who did, but hold our breath untill he threw the ball.

 

but culpepper grew on me and i liked our chances with him without randy, but i knew it would take a while for him to adapt especially when linehan left and loney took over, then tice took over, so i give him credit he is a good qb he just needs a change scenery.

 

he only did emails with his new head coach, that is not classy, and i want players of class here and men you talk like men, not whine like children.

 

childress was on kfan this morning talking about mcmahon and how busy he is, i really hope hes got a method to the madness of the signings so far, i guess we are just gonna be a pittsburgh type team, run a lot of 2 te sets with richardson and taylor with the new oline installed and trhow when we need to with brad. and if our defense does ok (nervous) without chavous and BW but smoot "swears" that he will be better and is working evey day to do so......take that for what is f'n worth

 

but all in all i am still excited about this season as i am every year, if i wasnt i wouldnt be a fan.

 

my $.02

[ILikeVikes-84 0]

Ok... I'm a big time vikes fan......and for as long as I can remember every season has had its moments and then something stupid happens.... and i'm not goona lie it's been really tough being a vikes fan for a while..... every offseason we do something that makes us think we'll be good, and it just turns out to not work at all.... well i'm goona go out on a limb and do the same thing as every other year, believe more than I ever have, because what the vikings are finally doing is being a normal organization and getting some good peope in to the organization. They have completely cleaned house. They're putting a completely new face to this franchise and I think finally they're doing what it takes to be a dynasty. Yeah we still have some progress to make and some luck to go our way... for cryin out loud we don't have any qb of the future, but things are looking bright at the same time. I think Childress comin from a class organization like the eagles, and zygi comin in and not afraid to throw some money around. I'm glad we got rid of moss, i'm glad we got rid of culpepper cuz those guys are not goona bring anything positive our way.... they are good football players but you need to have more than that to win you have to put the team first and be completley focused on the team and make sacrifices for the team. K that was way to long and I didn't mean it to be but I'm relieved w/ the feeling of the vikes turning our situation in to a positive place to be where winning a championship will be possibility in the nearer future!!!!

 

ILoveVikes-8411

[harken34 0]

Culpepper was only good because of Randy Moss. Moss was covered he'd run. I'm hoping that the Vikings draft a QB because BJ and McMAN boy are not the future of this team.

[Buttmonkey 8]

Guys, I'm going to spell this out for you so you can understand it.

 

Viking fans are idiots. No matter what happened the first 6 games of last season, there's no reason to down the guy that you cheered for. I'm not saying you have to still love the guy, but geez people you don't even make sense. Some of you actually state that he makes bad decisions and can't read defenses. Uh, did you know he has had the 5th highest QB rating of all time in 2004! That puts him with the guys of Montanna, Young, Manning. He also lead the league in completion percentage - it's laughable that it's stated on here that he isn't accurate. You retards simply hear something and then come on here and repeat it like you know what you're saying.

 

Take any QB that has built a chemistry with a receiver (especially one of Randy Moss's ability), then take him away - and that QB (no matter who he is) will have a "adjustment" period. But that's not all, take away his offensive coordinator as well, and again there's going to be an "adjustment" period. Lastly, injuries to the offensive line really hurt. So, gone are his go-to man, his OC, and his line has deterriorated. So every moron suddenly thinks Daunte sucks.

 

Daunte experienced a paradym shift and if he hadn't gotten hurt, he probably would have recovered. He may not have thrown and scored 39 TDs, but he probably would have rebounded. To say Brad Johnson did better is rediculous. I saw the Giants game, he had nothing credible to do with the win. The Viking Defense did the job in about 4 of those games.

 

And you guys who get on these boards and spew out useless garbage actually think you know what you are talking about.

 

I think the Vikings have made some good moves and I think there team is better in several areas. But what is sweet justice for you guys that turned your back on a guy that put it on the line for the Vikes every week is the fact that now there is a credible defense, and if you had traded away the two best players that ever played for the organization, maybe you could have won a superbowl. But no way now, not with Brad Johnson and Marcus Robinson.

 

Lastly, someone said last year Moss had his worst year last year, well duh - he was hurt for about 5 games and still had 1,000 yards and 8 TDs. Now his health may be getting worse, but seriously guys, try and come up with something oriinal and have an honest to God view all by yourself.

 

HTH

[harken34 0]

Guys, I'm going to spell this out for you so you can understand it.

 

Viking fans are idiots. No matter what happened the first 6 games of last season, there's no reason to down the guy that you cheered for. I'm not saying you have to still love the guy, but geez people you don't even make sense. Some of you actually state that he makes bad decisions and can't read defenses. Uh, did you know he has had the 5th highest QB rating of all time in 2004! That puts him with the guys of Montanna, Young, Manning. He also lead the league in completion percentage - it's laughable that it's stated on here that he isn't accurate. You retards simply hear something and then come on here and repeat it like you know what you're saying.

 

Take any QB that has built a chemistry with a receiver (especially one of Randy Moss's ability), then take him away - and that QB (no matter who he is) will have a "adjustment" period. But that's not all, take away his offensive coordinator as well, and again there's going to be an "adjustment" period. Lastly, injuries to the offensive line really hurt. So, gone are his go-to man, his OC, and his line has deterriorated. So every moron suddenly thinks Daunte sucks.

 

Daunte experienced a paradym shift and if he hadn't gotten hurt, he probably would have recovered. He may not have thrown and scored 39 TDs, but he probably would have rebounded. To say Brad Johnson did better is rediculous. I saw the Giants game, he had nothing credible to do with the win. The Viking Defense did the job in about 4 of those games.

 

And you guys who get on these boards and spew out useless garbage actually think you know what you are talking about.

 

I think the Vikings have made some good moves and I think there team is better in several areas. But what is sweet justice for you guys that turned your back on a guy that put it on the line for the Vikes every week is the fact that now there is a credible defense, and if you had traded away the two best players that ever played for the organization, maybe you could have won a superbowl. But no way now, not with Brad Johnson and Marcus Robinson.

 

Lastly, someone said last year Moss had his worst year last year, well duh - he was hurt for about 5 games and still had 1,000 yards and 8 TDs. Now his health may be getting worse, but seriously guys, try and come up with something oriinal and have an honest to God view all by yourself.

 

HTH

 

Sorry Mom! I didn't know that we weren't allowed opinons on this board. For now on only facts.

[Guest Black Label Society]

Guys, I'm going to spell this out for you so you can understand it.

 

Viking fans are idiots. No matter what happened the first 6 games of last season, there's no reason to down the guy that you cheered for. I'm not saying you have to still love the guy, but geez people you don't even make sense. Some of you actually state that he makes bad decisions and can't read defenses. Uh, did you know he has had the 5th highest QB rating of all time in 2004! That puts him with the guys of Montanna, Young, Manning. He also lead the league in completion percentage - it's laughable that it's stated on here that he isn't accurate. You retards simply hear something and then come on here and repeat it like you know what you're saying.

 

Take any QB that has built a chemistry with a receiver (especially one of Randy Moss's ability), then take him away - and that QB (no matter who he is) will have a "adjustment" period. But that's not all, take away his offensive coordinator as well, and again there's going to be an "adjustment" period. Lastly, injuries to the offensive line really hurt. So, gone are his go-to man, his OC, and his line has deterriorated. So every moron suddenly thinks Daunte sucks.

 

Daunte experienced a paradym shift and if he hadn't gotten hurt, he probably would have recovered. He may not have thrown and scored 39 TDs, but he probably would have rebounded. To say Brad Johnson did better is rediculous. I saw the Giants game, he had nothing credible to do with the win. The Viking Defense did the job in about 4 of those games.

 

And you guys who get on these boards and spew out useless garbage actually think you know what you are talking about.

 

I think the Vikings have made some good moves and I think there team is better in several areas. But what is sweet justice for you guys that turned your back on a guy that put it on the line for the Vikes every week is the fact that now there is a credible defense, and if you had traded away the two best players that ever played for the organization, maybe you could have won a superbowl. But no way now, not with Brad Johnson and Marcus Robinson.

 

Lastly, someone said last year Moss had his worst year last year, well duh - he was hurt for about 5 games and still had 1,000 yards and 8 TDs. Now his health may be getting worse, but seriously guys, try and come up with something oriinal and have an honest to God view all by yourself.

 

HTH

 

You clearly don't have a clue.

[remote controller 143]

Heil to Daunte getting traded!!! Best move in a while!!

 

I think Childress is finally the coach we have needed in Minny. A guy who doesn't play favorites, and a guy who wants real leaders in the locker room.

 

The loss of a Franchise QB will set them back this season. Though he had a rough year, he is still a weapon that teams needed to account for. Brad Johnson is not. The loss of both Moss and Culpepper will take a few years to recover from!

[shovelheadt 71]

Remember a few years ago when the Bengals supposedly traded away their 'best player'? New coach, new attitude, etc. Worked out well I think.

 

Good luck Vikings fans. You're actually ahead of where the Bengals were because of your defense.

 

The loss of a Franchise QB will set them back this season. Though he had a rough year, he is still a weapon that teams needed to account for. Brad Johnson is not. The loss of both Moss and Culpepper will take a few years to recover from!

 

IMO, Culpepper refused to adjust to the team around him. It was like he thought Moss was still there. When Johnson came in, he played with what he had and it worked. I realize peeps like to give the Vikings defense all of the credit for the late season success. But IMO, the defense played better because Johnson wasn't chucking up 5 INTs a game.

[LunaTick 30]

The loss of a Franchise QB will set them back this season. Though he had a rough year, he is still a weapon that teams needed to account for. Brad Johnson is not. The loss of both Moss and Culpepper will take a few years to recover from!

 

Other teams had to account for Culpeppers ability to run.

 

Not account for Culpeppers ability to throw the ball, for if it were not for the run, Culpeppers would have had guadi interception numbers. Dolphin fans, after a few games tell me how often you notice which direction he is going to throw right off the snap. You will be 100% correct all of the time.

 

Even if his legs are back under him for the start of the season, this is questionable, without a solid line offering longer than 5 second protection. Culpepper is not a threat.

 

 

Brad Johnson may not be able to throw a home run ball 5 times a game.

But the guy does know the game, and unlike Dante, plays well within it.

 

Problem here is there is no heir apparrent to take over.

However, even during Denny's years prior to Dante. The team was able to bring in servicable veterans every other year. (Cunningham, Moon, etc.) But they do need to draft for this to work out too (Gannon, Brad Johnson, Steakems (he really isn't qb), etc.))

 

Really, some of you guys need to get your head out of Fantasy Football for a change and actually pay attention to the game on the field and not the ESPN high lights and stats pages in the Monday morning newspaper.

 

 

 

The biggest problem I had with Culpepper, was that once he was injured, he was no where to be found.

 

I mean, what kind of leader abandons the team due to injury.

 

Now Birk is a leader, and he was there regardless of his health.