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1. Michael Vick- It amazes me why this guy contiues to be drafted so high! Schaub should be starting

 

2. Tomlinson- This guys struggled at the end of the season last year, and now with Brees gone Tomlinson is in for his first subpar season in my opinion.

 

3. Edge- What a mistake signing with Arizona. This team will be down by 14 at halftime of every game and with those receivers. all they'll do is throw the football. Edge will struggle behind a horrific offensive line and a pass oriented offense. stay clear!

 

4. Cadilac Williams- Don't get me wrong, this guy has some wheels. He'll get his yards, but TD's will be scarce. Gruden loves the big guy at the goal line. If you're in a yardage heavy league then he might work for you. Caddy will probably be drafted in the first round of most leagues, but he'll perform like a second or third round back.

 

5. Jamal Lewis- This guy flat out sucks! he had one good season! He's a quitter, and he under performs every season with the exception of one. This guy continues to go in the first two round of most drafts and as far as I'm concerned it's a wasted pick. In addition, Mike Anderson will steal alot of carries. Mark it down, Anderson will out perform Lewis this season!

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Steve Smith is being ranked by some as the #1 WR. Thats way too high.

I agree, but it can be justified with the signing of Keyshawn. He'll take a lot off of Smith's shoulders.

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Steve Smith is being ranked by some as the #1 WR. Thats way too high.

 

How do you figure that? He was the #1 guy ALL YEAR LONG. Adding Keyshawn will help take pressure off him. He still has the same QB and pretty much the same team overall. I don't see why he won't be the #1 again next year...

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The only reason I don't like Edge or Tomlinson on your list is because they are featured backs, will be getting mostly all the carries and will be deserving of the draft positions they are taken in, which should be very high, even if they don't have monsterous years. Caddy, though a featured back, may hit a sophmore slump.

 

In no order...

 

Hasselbeck - A running team losing an important part of the O line will hurt Alexanders production, forcing more weight on him. He do average, but he's not elite like a lot think.

 

Gates - New QB equals growing pains.

 

Santana Moss - Will not match last years totals.

 

Chicago's Defense - Will give up more yards and points with less turnovers this year.

 

Reggie Bush - Can't meet all the hype coming into this season.

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QB: Brady - has nobody to throw to & Dillon won't offer much support this year...

RB: Willis - NO bounce back year... expect another year like last year.

WR: RMoss - The guy has clearly lost a step and has no QB.

TE: Gonzo - Slows down more & more each year.

DST: INDY - NO way they repeat last year. That was a FLUKE!

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12 team redraft

 

1- Joey Galloway could go in the 3rd round -- just too high for me

2-any first round Qb

3-Corey Dillon - just can't break anything long anymore top 20 pick in most leagues though

4-Domanick Davis - boy, I would be very scared to touch him in the first 3 rounds if bush goes Texan (but d.d will get drafted in the top three rounds I'm sure).

5- Any kicker taken before the final round!

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Steve Smith is being ranked by some as the #1 WR. Thats way too high.

 

 

How is that way too high???

 

Maybe he is not the number 1 WR....but he is top 5 at very least and most likely top 3....

 

I rank them Holt, Owens, Smith, CJ, Fitz

 

 

To say number 1 is way too high is retarded talk.....I could have any of these top 4 and say they could be the number 1 WR...

 

D McNabb will be tooken too early this year....

 

People will value him as a top 5 QB but will end up as a 10-13 QB.....

 

Lost Number 1 target and OC....always spells trouble see Cpep....

 

Also having to bounce back from injury....

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edge still has to be a easy hgih pick in the first round...the passing offense could allow more space for edge to run....tomlinson had better stats with brees as a bad quarterback, so we cant say LT is overated right now...i do agree J Lewis will struggleand gates stats should drop without brees.

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Couldn't agree more on J Lewis. He runs scared now with is death for a power back. I wouldn't touch him before the 4th RD and he'll be long gone by then. :ninja:

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I actually think Vick is underrated right now. Yes he has been drafted very high in the past but most rankings seem to have him in the 10-15 range for this year yet he was top 10 in most of my leagues that have fairly standard scoring. He has another year under his belt, so do Jenkins and White and sounds like he might be running more in 06. If you can handcuff him with Schaub I think he will be great value if he is the 10th+ QB off the board.

 

And LT was great when Brees sucked. If he is not in your top 3 rankings for RBs you should be banned for life from fftoday.com

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On SSmith

 

I dont rank my guys based on 1.5 seasons. It was asked, who was overrated? I answered with a small WR who doesnt know his RB and is not going to surprise anyone again.

 

#1 is way too high. #3-6, sure. There is quite a difference between #3 and #1. That difference is larger than between #13 and #11.

 

If you are ranking him #1 then you are ranking him purely on last year, and we all know that's dangerous.

 

IMO he is overrated, but then again i seriously thought he was overrated last August.

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Vick is a quite safe Qb, in my estimation, for a Stud RB drafter. he is a value where taken, and he slides yearly even farther. The guys I would count as the most overated would be those whose new situations, or injuries, cause you to make "the big decision". One that will make or break you.

 

Culpepper and Palmer- Given their injuries, will they come back in time and have the impact to justify their cost?

 

I myself am not concerned with Edge and feel he is the clear cut #4 back with portis and Rudi on his heels.

Jamal, the usage of Jones/Benson, Duece, Kevin Jones. Will these guys return on their investment?

 

TO???? Can you say "powder Keg?" He could make or break a team, and I have a feeling his first year will go smooth, as long as Dallas gets out of the box okay the first 5 weeks or so. D Jax had 2 surgeries, one minor, but will he hold up? Moss??? Will he rebound and substantiate the early 2nd round pick spent on him? Can Santana Moss do it again???? Where will Walker play, and will it matter this year? When does one select Chambers and not over play his impact?

 

 

These are questions that will shape Busts this season, or boons!!

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#1 has to be Gates

 

you think of a TE as a saftey outlet...but Gates has ton of plays called for him....skip him in the 3rd...nice 4th though

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There is quite a difference between #3 and #1.

 

Actually, in pre-season rankings there is very little difference between #1 and #3. That's why so many people use tiers.

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How is that way too high???

 

Maybe he is not the number 1 WR....but he is top 5 at very least and most likely top 3....

 

I rank them Holt, Owens, Smith, CJ, Fitz

To say number 1 is way too high is retarded talk.....I could have any of these top 4 and say they could be the number 1 WR...

 

D McNabb will be tooken too early this year....

 

People will value him as a top 5 QB but will end up as a 10-13 QB.....

 

Lost Number 1 target and OC....always spells trouble see Cpep....

 

Also having to bounce back from injury....

 

 

just thought "tooken" was funny..

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I dont rank my guys based on 1.5 seasons. It was asked, who was overrated? I answered with a small WR who doesnt know his RB and is not going to surprise anyone again.

 

#1 is way too high. #3-6, sure. There is quite a difference between #3 and #1. That difference is larger than between #13 and #11.

 

If you are ranking him #1 then you are ranking him purely on last year, and we all know that's dangerous.

 

IMO he is overrated, but then again i seriously thought he was overrated last August.

 

When it comes to WRs, it's personal prefrence. To say a guy should be #3-6, but having him #1 is overrated, makes no sense at all. You're ranking him based on last year, becayse you said he fits into #3-6. Take away last year and he's a top 6 WR?

 

He could very well end up #1. #3, or #6. He's an elite WR. To argue who deserves the #1 spot is silly. Between CJ, Harrison, Smith, Holt, TO, ehhhh take your pick. Randy rounding out those 6. Any of those 6 could go anywhere in any order, and it's not a bad pick, or "buying into the hype".

 

A guy can't be overrated, and still be an elite WR. Pick a random WR among those 6 and you'll be fine. When it's all said and done they'll all probably be within 1-2 points a week of each other.

 

And if you were wrong last year, when he was the #1 WR, why are you right this year? Sounds like you don't like the guy so you're spitting out the same stuff you did last year. Based on that, he'll probably be #1 again. =)

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1. J Lewis - like someone said he flat out blows

2. Duece- He will still be drafted high after his blown knee

3. Culpepper- not the same as he used to be

4. McGahee-won't rebound like everyone thinks

5. Edge-won't have the room to run like he did in Indy

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I agree Edge's fantasy value will be overrated. But anybody who thinks he went to Zona for anything other than the $$$ is a buffoon.

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Actually, in pre-season rankings there is very little difference between #1 and #3. That's why so many people use tiers.

 

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1. J Lewis - like someone said he flat out blows

2. Duece- He will still be drafted high after his blown knee

3. Culpepper- not the same as he used to be

4. McGahee-won't rebound like everyone thinks

5. Edge-won't have the room to run like he did in Indy

 

Jamal looked to be putting it together the last part of the year. Boller started playing like an NFL QB, the offense started to gel and Jamal had 500 total yards in his last 5 games, 4.1 YPC.

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I actually think Vick is underrated right now. Yes he has been drafted very high in the past but most rankings seem to have him in the 10-15 range for this year yet he was top 10 in most of my leagues that have fairly standard scoring. He has another year under his belt, so do Jenkins and White and sounds like he might be running more in 06. If you can handcuff him with Schaub I think he will be great value if he is the 10th+ QB off the board.

 

And LT was great when Brees sucked. If he is not in your top 3 rankings for RBs you should be banned for life from fftoday.com

 

 

I agree....

 

I love how every year there is some dumb A$$ that feels Mike Vick is the worst thing to happen to fantasy footbal since Rashan salam...

 

I don't know know about most owners, but in my estimation vick gives you a huge advantage, In a league where you get 1 pt per 25 yrds passing and 1 pt for 10 yrds Rushing, 6 pts for Rush Td and 4 pts for a Passing, that scoring is pretty standard... If you compare vick to T. Brady it would like this....

 

Brady average week 250 yrds passing 10 yrds Rushing, 2 TDs passing = 19 pts

 

vs.

 

Vick Average week 190 yrds passing 66 yrds Rushing 1 Rush TD, 1 Passing TD -1pt for INT = 21

 

Vick Wins.... This doesn't happen every week, but 9 weeks out of 15 he'll get the job done.

 

It's just gravy after that if he has multiple rushing TD game or happens to break the 100 yrd mark Rushing which one of those 2 things happened 5 times last year.

 

I rank vick #3 this year only behind Manning and Bledsoe

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I agree....

 

I love how every year there is some dumb A$$ that feels Mike Vick is the worst thing to happen to fantasy footbal since Rashan salam...

 

I don't know know about most owners, but in my estimation vick gives you a huge advantage, In a league where you get 1 pt per 25 yrds passing and 1 pt for 10 yrds Rushing, 6 pts for Rush Td and 4 pts for a Passing, that scoring is pretty standard... If you compare vick to T. Brady it would like this....

 

Brady average week 250 yrds passing 10 yrds Rushing, 2 TDs passing = 19 pts

 

vs.

 

Vick Average week 190 yrds passing 66 yrds Rushing 1 Rush TD, 1 Passing TD -1pt for INT = 21

 

Vick Wins.... This doesn't happen every week, but 9 weeks out of 15 he'll get the job done.

 

It's just gravy after that if he has multiple rushing TD game or happens to break the 100 yrd mark Rushing which one of those 2 things happened 5 times last year.

 

I rank vick #3 this year only behind Manning and Bledsoe

 

using this scoring system (my leagues scoring system) Vick finished with

 

2001 = 71

2002 = 299

2003 = 66

2004 = 241

2005 = 239

 

239 points put him at #7 among QBs. in 2005

With Vick you can see you always run the risk of significant lost time. He's had one good Fantasy year. Not enough for me to risk a top draft pick on him when I can have just as capable QBs later in the draft

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I agree, but it can be justified with the signing of Keyshawn. He'll take a lot off of Smith's shoulders.

 

Umm...maybe it is because Keyshawn will actually take away from Stevie Franchise. I love S. Smith but there is no way I will end up with him. NOt because he sucks...but because someone will draft him way too high. There is no way he can keep the same #'s with another WR getting 5-6 catches a game...ther eis just no way. If you didn't watch the games...which I did. S. Smith was thrown the ball on every play...and that just won't happen this year. At leat in my opinion.

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2. Tomlinson- This guys struggled at the end of the season last year, and now with Brees gone Tomlinson is in for his first subpar season in my opinion.

I have to disagree w/you on this one. In fact, I think that Brees leaving for NO will help LT to improve upon his numbers from last year.

 

His best years were when he was the focal point of the O and used A BUNCH as the outlet for a marginal QB.

 

I expect that to happen again, as Rivers prolly isn't ready to help carry the team like Brees has in recent years. That will also mean a decline in production for Gates and possibly more opportunities for LT.

 

Plus, as I mentioned previously, I think that having a green QB will result in more dump-off passes to LT out of the backfield...anyone who followed him closely (or had him on their team last year) is woefully aware of how he wasn't used enough in that capacity.

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I have to disagree w/you on this one. In fact, I think that Brees leaving for NO will help LT to improve upon his numbers from last year.

 

His best years were when he was the focal point of the O and used A BUNCH as the outlet for a marginal QB.

 

I expect that to happen again, as Rivers prolly isn't ready to help carry the team like Brees has in recent years. That will also mean a decline in production for Gates and possibly more opportunities for LT.

 

Plus, as I mentioned previously, I think that having a green QB will result in more dump-off passes to LT out of the backfield...anyone who followed him closely (or had him on their team last year) is woefully aware of how he wasn't used enough in that capacity.

 

Think that's more because of Gates than Brees coming into his own. The decline in LT's catches were a direct result of the emergence of Gates in the passing game.

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Think that's more because of Gates than Brees coming into his own. The decline in LT's catches were a direct result of the emergence of Gates in the passing game.

I agree...but w/Rivers @QB the chances of him hooking up w/Gates on those big plays goes down...thus, more outlet passes to LT out of the backfield.

 

Just my two cents.

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I don't agree with McGahee (for those of you who listed him). I think he was such a disasterous bust from last year that owners will be reluctant to draft him. Buffalo stunk in every respect of their game last season, and also had key injuries, which allowed defenses to focus on stopping the running game. If they do ANYTHING to improve their game for 2006, I think McGahee can bounce back. One thing about McGahee is that he stayed healthy and he is the focal point of the Bills offense. Agree or disagree with his comeback, he will not be over-rated this year.

 

Regarding Duece...he will not bounce back in 2006. I don't consider him to be over-rated because owners will be afraid to draft him. They know he is too high of a risk.

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TEN BOLD PREDICTIONS

 

OVERRATED

 

1. Steve Smith. Not because the guy isn't good. But because he isn't likely to duplicate last years numbers. Keyshawn both helps and hurts Smith. He may take pressure off of Smith. But he will also take away red zone looks.

 

2. Chester Taylor. Lots of hype about an Oline improvement. Lots of hype period. He's good, but not that good.

 

3. Larry Johnson. New coaching staff, new system. Don't think he's gonna produce the same.

 

4. Donovan McNabb. Still doesn't have a go to guy.

 

5. Antonio Gates. New QB, unlikely to get the ball as much

 

UNDERRATED

 

1. Terrell Owens. Many will pass on him, but his 1st season will be superb as he trys to show everyone up.

 

2. Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne. Indy will be an air show again. Losing Edge actually helps these 2.

 

3. TJ Housandmedtazethajtezzjeteth. The guy is getting better and is becoming as strong a #2WR as Wayne.

 

4. Aaron Brooks. Fresh start, unreal WR core. This new start will amaze this year.

 

5. Reuben Droughns. Just hasn't got the press he deserves. New Center in Bentley. Better OL. Winslow coming back could help. Guy will get in the endzone this year.

 

Go ahead and rip apart. I'm just predicting here.

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TEN BOLD PREDICTIONS

 

OVERRATED

 

1. Steve Smith. Not because the guy isn't good. But because he isn't likely to duplicate last years numbers. Keyshawn both helps and hurts Smith. He may take pressure off of Smith. But he will also take away red zone looks.

 

2. Chester Taylor. Lots of hype about an Oline improvement. Lots of hype period. He's good, but not that good.

 

3. Larry Johnson. New coaching staff, new system. Don't think he's gonna produce the same.

 

4. Donovan McNabb. Still doesn't have a go to guy.

 

5. Antonio Gates. New QB, unlikely to get the ball as much

 

UNDERRATED

 

1. Terrell Owens. Many will pass on him, but his 1st season will be superb as he trys to show everyone up.

 

2. Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne. Indy will be an air show again. Losing Edge actually helps these 2.

 

3. TJ Housandmedtazethajtezzjeteth. The guy is getting better and is becoming as strong a #2WR as Wayne.

 

4. Aaron Brooks. Fresh start, unreal WR core. This new start will amaze this year.

 

5. Reuben Droughns. Just hasn't got the press he deserves. New Center in Bentley. Better OL. Winslow coming back could help. Guy will get in the endzone this year.

 

Go ahead and rip apart. I'm just predicting here.

 

#3. So tell me where you would draft LJ? RB10? RB3? Sorry RB3 can't be overrrated. Go draft Tiki/Edge over LJ all you want. Good luck with that.

 

And new system? Listen it's not rocket science. Best (or second best) rushing attack over the last 10 years. They aren't going to rip up the play book. Green is an older QB. They have a great system in place. Trust me the o-line isn't going to be learning a whole new play book. They aren't going to be a run and shoot team.

 

As for underrated #3, please stop posting this. You guys are going to totally kill any shot of getting this guy in the 5th round. If you can't pronounce, or SPELL his name, you should not draft him. Okay? Thanks. =) (BTW, this will anger the CJ fan boi's, but Housh is a better WR)

 

They are a power run team. Period. That will not change. They want to pound the ball, play action, work the TE, keep them honest with some WR passing. Edwards loves to run the ball. KC won't change all that much from last year. They are hoping Edwards can fix the D. Not bring a new offensive system.

 

No one is going to be asking Herm about his new offense. *lol* They MIGHT ask, "You didn't ###### up the offense right?". They want Herm to rebuild that D. There's a reason they looked at defensive coaches, the offense is fine. KC didn't need Martz to come in here and fix the offense. They needed a defensive HC who could re-work the talent/scheme.

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I think you need to distinquish between expectations and overrated....

 

If you go based on expectations, I agree with many here like Smith, Larry Johnson, Chester Taylor, Duece and a few others.

 

Smith had an awesome year last year and he is NOT overrated, but drafting expecting him to duplicate last years numbers or surpass them is going beyond what you should expect. Two years in a row now Carolina has produced the top WR, both years they had a primary guy and some scrubs. Colbert had a good year the year before and I would expect Key to do about the same as Colbert did two years ago when Moosh was on the other side. That said, I think Steve Smiths catches will go down as Key picks up the shorter pass routes, but his TD's and yardage could very well be the same. He thrives on quick pass, juke and run after catch. With key on the other side, that actually might help him break a few more which will make up (yardage wise) his fewer receptions. Key is not a TD machine, so I expect Smith to still catch quite a few of them.

 

Johnson... no way he matches his production from last year over a full season. He will still be VERY good though regardless of the system he is in. He still ranks top 3.

 

Chester.... I agree... overhype and over extended on expectations.

 

Duece... no many RB's have come back strong after blowing a knee, but it could happen. Still not a top 10 though in my book. 10-15 though is good.

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When it comes to WRs, it's personal prefrence. To say a guy should be #3-6, but having him #1 is overrated, makes no sense at all. You're ranking him based on last year, becayse you said he fits into #3-6. Take away last year and he's a top 6 WR?

 

He could very well end up #1. #3, or #6. He's an elite WR. To argue who deserves the #1 spot is silly. Between CJ, Harrison, Smith, Holt, TO, ehhhh take your pick. Randy rounding out those 6. Any of those 6 could go anywhere in any order, and it's not a bad pick, or "buying into the hype".

 

A guy can't be overrated, and still be an elite WR. Pick a random WR among those 6 and you'll be fine. When it's all said and done they'll all probably be within 1-2 points a week of each other.

 

And if you were wrong last year, when he was the #1 WR, why are you right this year? Sounds like you don't like the guy so you're spitting out the same stuff you did last year. Based on that, he'll probably be #1 again. =)

 

Sorry, cant follow all this great logic here. I dont like the guy as the 1st WR off the board, simple as that.

 

I do tier my rankings so :lol:

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#3. So tell me where you would draft LJ? RB10? RB3? Sorry RB3 can't be overrrated. Go draft Tiki/Edge over LJ all you want. Good luck with that.

 

And new system? Listen it's not rocket science. Best (or second best) rushing attack over the last 10 years. They aren't going to rip up the play book. Green is an older QB. They have a great system in place. Trust me the o-line isn't going to be learning a whole new play book. They aren't going to be a run and shoot team.

 

As for underrated #3, please stop posting this. You guys are going to totally kill any shot of getting this guy in the 5th round. If you can't pronounce, or SPELL his name, you should not draft him. Okay? Thanks. =) (BTW, this will anger the CJ fan boi's, but Housh is a better WR)

 

They are a power run team. Period. That will not change. They want to pound the ball, play action, work the TE, keep them honest with some WR passing. Edwards loves to run the ball. KC won't change all that much from last year. They are hoping Edwards can fix the D. Not bring a new offensive system.

 

No one is going to be asking Herm about his new offense. *lol* They MIGHT ask, "You didn't ###### up the offense right?". They want Herm to rebuild that D. There's a reason they looked at defensive coaches, the offense is fine. KC didn't need Martz to come in here and fix the offense. They needed a defensive HC who could re-work the talent/scheme.

 

Like I said, those were predictions.

 

Maybe overated is the wrong word. Maybe over valued? I don't know. What I do know is every year you see most predictions based on the last years ratings. And every year they don't all pan out. I believe Both Vermeil AND the KC OC are gone. If so, the offense may be close, but won't be the same. Johnson is one of my picks to not produce at the level of his drafting which will be top 3. He may produce top 7, but I am betting not top 3.

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