Favre speaks out about McNair

[mdubz 0]

what's next? favre giving his opinion on global warming? the north american trade agreement? what doesn't favre have an opinion on these days? that might be a shorter list.

 

for having such a shiatload of things figured out...you think he could figure out whether or not he actually wants to play anymore.

 

free tip, brett: stick to that one thing and get that issue solved before solving everyone elses problems.

 

 

the only thing he doesn't have an opinion on is whether he is coming back or not.

[swamp dog 0]

the only thing he doesn't have an opinion on is whether he is coming back or not.

 

they call that irony in literary circles...

[Sho Nuff 720]

what about favre saying mcnair was the only thing the titans had during mcnair's time with the titans?

 

i guess i find it amusing that i haven't yet heard you say ANYWHERE that favre has made ANY mistakes. ever.

 

you picked on the earl campbell quote above but completely ignored the rest of the list. so: is favre right about mcnair being the only good player--the only thing going--with the titans now and during the time of mcnair's tenure there?

 

yes or no.

 

Yes...that he was wrong about.

 

You have not heard me anywhere say that? Then you are blind. Cannot help you there.

 

Look up where in this thread where I said he should be taking care of his own business first.

 

I picked the Earl Campbell quote because it was glaringly stupid. And needed to be picked out.

 

I do disagree with that part of what Favre said.

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

I think people need to stop making news out of nothing. Last time I checked, this is America and both freedom of speech and honesty are things that I advocate. In this specific case, I completely agree with what he said and think that anyone who gives a stink about this has ulterior reasoning.

[escobante 0]

i dont see anything wrong with what farve said. he's right; mcnair is getting screwed by management.

 

"screwed by management" ? how you figure? he gets tens of millions of dollars to play football, then when he gets too old and banged up they tell him they can't afford to spend as much money on him. he refuses to take a pay cut. so they say "then don't work out here until we restructure your deal or let you go".

 

failing to see how this is even remotely considered to be poor treatment.

 

mcnair didn't work all of these years being "the face of the team" for free. he was compensated handsomely.

 

are there really a bunch of fools out there crying for mcnair? i mean i really like mac 9, but please. his fealings are hurt?

 

favre of course is an idiot, but everyone should know that by now. he can say what he likes. the real idiots are people who cares what he says. and of course the packers, for not cutting his ass at the end of the season.

[mdubz 0]

I think people need to stop making news out of nothing. Last time I checked, this is America and both freedom of speech and honesty are things that I advocate. In this specific case, I completely agree with what he said and think that anyone who gives a stink about this has ulterior reasoning.

 

 

i think most of us agree with what he said. i think the issue is that he is commenting on other people's situations while he has left his organization and fans up in the air about whether he is returning himself or not for months now. if this wasn't brett favre that said this and was matt hasselbeck for example, no one would be saying a word about this issue.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Typically, NFL players don't comment on other players' situations in the league because they're a union. Favre can easily avoid the question and move on, but he seeks to offer his opinion.

 

He should have stayed out of the Walker situation. When it comes to someone else's dough, it's someone else's dough and not his.

 

Someone help me out: if Favre was to retire, say, today, does he count against the salary cap? Don't you think his stringing out the situation affects how they conduct business during the off-season, most notably managing the cap and making large offers to FA's, like Arrington?

 

If the Packers knew exactly how much money they have to blow to begin with, doesn't that afford them time to plan and gather a roster?

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

i think most of us agree with what he said. i think the issue is that he is commenting on other people's situations while he has left his organization and fans up in the air about whether he is returning himself or not for months now. if this wasn't brett favre that said this and was matt hasselbeck for example, no one would be saying a word about this issue.

 

Which was basically my point. The reasons for which Favre is being bashed by several people in here has nothing to do with this thread.

 

AS for him not commenting on stuff the players union can handle... the players union had already filed a grievance so he is just backing up that up. In other words, this thread is really about taking shots at Fav-rey.

[kristv 0]

Typically, NFL players don't comment on other players' situations in the league because they're a union. Favre can easily avoid the question and move on, but he seeks to offer his opinion.

 

He should have stayed out of the Walker situation. When it comes to someone else's dough, it's someone else's dough and not his.

 

Someone help me out: if Favre was to retire, say, today, does he count against the salary cap? Don't you think his stringing out the situation affects how they conduct business during the off-season, most notably managing the cap and making large offers to FA's, like Arrington?

 

If the Packers knew exactly how much money they have to blow to begin with, doesn't that afford them time to plan and gather a roster?

 

With Favre, the Packers are still in great shape to sign the likes of Arrington. Without Favre, obviously they would be in better shape, but it's a non-issue really. If they wanted to sign 3 players asking for what Arrington is asking, then it would be an issue. But the Pack could easily sign Arrington AND Woodson, and still be okay salary cap-wise.

[nobody 2,670]

Seems to me that the Titans are doing to McNair exactly what Favre is doing to Green Bay - taking their time and figuring out what they want to do.

[murf74 461]

With Favre, the Packers are still in great shape to sign the likes of Arrington. Without Favre, obviously they would be in better shape, but it's a non-issue really. If they wanted to sign 3 players asking for what Arrington is asking, then it would be an issue. But the Pack could easily sign Arrington AND Woodson, and still be okay salary cap-wise.

 

Sorry, if Favre told them before FA started that he was not going to be there

 

1. They would have a vet QB on the team

2. They would have signed an expensive FA.

 

Saying they would not do either one is pretty much saying the Packers are the worst run franchise in the league. (Which they are starting to look like more and more like they are actually trying to do. Take a look at the moves they have made or not made the last couple seasons, and their drafts have been down right horrible).

[kristv 0]

Sorry, if Favre told them before FA started that he was not going to be there

 

1. They would have a vet QB on the team

2. They would have signed an expensive FA.

 

Saying they would not do either one is pretty much saying the Packers are the worst run franchise in the league. (Which they are starting to look like more and more each time I take a look at the moves they have made or not made the last couple seasons, and their drafts have been down right horrible).

 

There are still vet QB's out there to be had. And I'm sure there will be more before the season starts. No need to sign an expensive FA just for the sake of signing an expensive FA. As for the drafts, it's too soon to tell with last year's draft. IMO, they did just fine last year. Collins will be a great addition for them, Murphy was promising before discovering the injury, Poppinga was playing well and developing nicely before injury and so was Hawkins. I will agree that the seasons before that were bad drafts, but then, Sherman was doing the hiring and firing so that explains a lot.

[murf74 461]

There are still vet QB's out there to be had. And I'm sure there will be more before the season starts. No need to sign an expensive FA just for the sake of signing an expensive FA. As for the drafts, it's too soon to tell with last year's draft. IMO, they did just fine last year. Collins will be a great addition for them, Murphy was promising before discovering the injury, Poppinga was playing well and developing nicely before injury and so was Hawkins. I will agree that the seasons before that were bad drafts, but then, Sherman was doing the hiring and firing so that explains a lot.

 

 

Why does everyone assume Collins would sign with the Packers? I am not saying sign someone for the sake of signing, but if you really think you would not have added a player with the extra cap space Favre left you are nuts. And besides Collins (who showed last year he has nothing left even with Moss and Porter to throw to) what other QB are the Packers going to sign. And you surely would have signed a FA QB by now. I still don't know why you haven't. You may have even kept Nall.

 

You Packer fans are amazing me that you don't care that you have NOBODY worth starting week #1 if Favre retires. NOBODY.

 

Your QB situation was shakey last year, it's worse off right now

 

Tony Banks

Jeff Blake

Kerry Collins

Ken Dorsey

Jay Fiedler

Maddox

Jamie Martin

Tim Rattay

 

That is the best list I could come up with for available QBs. Which one of those would you like to start your season out with this year (besides the always mentioned Collins?). May I recommend Tommy Maddox!!!!!!

[kristv 0]

Why does everyone assume Collins would sign with the Packers? I am not saying sign someone for the sake of signing, but if you really think you would not have added a player with the extra cap space Favre left you are nuts. And besides Collins (who showed last year he has nothing left even with Moss and Porter to throw to) what other QB are the Packers going to sign. And you surely would have signed a FA QB by now. I still don't know why you haven't.

 

You Packer fans are amazing me that you don't care that you have NOBODY worth starting week #1 if Favre retires. NOBODY.

 

Your QB situation was shacky last year, it's worse off right now and you Packer fans really don't care cause Favre is so great he can do whatever he wants.

 

No, it's not that we don't care. It's that we are ready for Favre to retire whether it is this year or the next. I am fine with Rogers starting this year. Do you really think that any veteran QB is going to have more success with that O-line? If you do than you are kidding yourself. Also, Favre didn't need to leave any cap space, we have TONS if you haven't been keeping track. Cap space is the least of our worries right now. And who said we had to pick up Kerry Collins? And while we're on the subject of Collins, did you see why he did so poorly last year? Hello....Oakland's offensive line, anyone?

 

I am not worried, and you shouldn't be either.

[murf74 461]

Yes, a veteran QB would do better behind a bad offensive line than a QB with 16 career NFL passes. Thanks for asking.

 

Signed

Mr. Obvious

 

OK, I'm done, Favre I love your heart, take your time your fans and organization are fine with it. But if I have to hear about Favre's situation on draft day instead of draft analysis, your back on my shiiiiit list

[kristv 0]

Yes, a veteran QB would do better behind a bad offensive line than a QB with 16 career NFL passes. Thanks for asking.

 

Signed

Mr. Obvious

 

OK, I'm done, Favre I love your heart, take your time your fans and organization are fine with it. But if I have to hear about Favre's situation on draft day instead of draft analysis, your back on my shiiiiit list

 

Okay, not to drag this out...but a veteran QB will maybe get them...what...2-3 more wins on the season? That puts the Pack at 6-10 instead of 3-13. Not much of an improvement, IMO. I agree, we do need a backup QB, but it's not going to make much of a difference for this year, really.

[TerrySilver 0]

"screwed by management" ? how you figure? he gets tens of millions of dollars to play football, then when he gets too old and banged up they tell him they can't afford to spend as much money on him. he refuses to take a pay cut. so they say "then don't work out here until we restructure your deal or let you go".

 

failing to see how this is even remotely considered to be poor treatment.

 

mcnair didn't work all of these years being "the face of the team" for free. he was compensated handsomely.

 

are there really a bunch of fools out there crying for mcnair? i mean i really like mac 9, but please. his fealings are hurt?

 

favre of course is an idiot, but everyone should know that by now. he can say what he likes. the real idiots are people who cares what he says. and of course the packers, for not cutting his ass at the end of the season.

 

yeah, but keep this in mind. the reason why mcnairs cap number is so freaking high is because for the last 4-5 years when the titans where in salary cap hell, every year management went to mcnair for help, and asked him to restructure his contract to make it more flexible (i.e. push money owed to him into the future). he did this a few times, and the titans pushed a whole lot of money to the back of his contract. mcnair did what he could to help the franchise in the tougher years.

 

 

 

but now its time to pay the piper, and the titans are making it seem like mcnair is the bad guy, when all the while he did what he could to help the franchise. now the titans pull this classy move and turn their back on him.

 

even if you disagree with me on this, you must agree that there were much better ways to handle this by the titans management. they decided to handle this in the most classless way possible, and i hope this bites them in the ass

[Sho Nuff 720]

Typically, NFL players don't comment on other players' situations in the league because they're a union. Favre can easily avoid the question and move on, but he seeks to offer his opinion.

 

He should have stayed out of the Walker situation. When it comes to someone else's dough, it's someone else's dough and not his.

 

Someone help me out: if Favre was to retire, say, today, does he count against the salary cap? Don't you think his stringing out the situation affects how they conduct business during the off-season, most notably managing the cap and making large offers to FA's, like Arrington?

 

If the Packers knew exactly how much money they have to blow to begin with, doesn't that afford them time to plan and gather a roster?

 

They have quite a bit of money to blow...hell there are people starting ridiculous threads about them not making the minimum....Favre's decision is not keeping them from offering money to free agents.

 

Sorry, if Favre told them before FA started that he was not going to be there

 

1. They would have a vet QB on the team

2. They would have signed an expensive FA.

 

Saying they would not do either one is pretty much saying the Packers are the worst run franchise in the league. (Which they are starting to look like more and more like they are actually trying to do. Take a look at the moves they have made or not made the last couple seasons, and their drafts have been down right horrible).

 

1 is correct...and the only thing Favre has kept them from.

2 is completely your opinion, and I completely disagree with that.

 

Why would him retiring have made Ted Thompson any different as far as how he spends his money. With or without Favre he has the money to make the big moves...but it is not his style.

 

Yup..worst run...they have only been one of the most competetive times since the start of the Salary Cap and their current GM did have his hand in the team that just went to the Super Bowl.

 

Actually...no they are not starting to look like the worst run franchise...they were starting to look that way...until they got Sherman out of the GM seat.

 

You prove daily that you really have no clue.

 

Why does everyone assume Collins would sign with the Packers? I am not saying sign someone for the sake of signing, but if you really think you would not have added a player with the extra cap space Favre left you are nuts. And besides Collins (who showed last year he has nothing left even with Moss and Porter to throw to) what other QB are the Packers going to sign. And you surely would have signed a FA QB by now. I still don't know why you haven't. You may have even kept Nall.

 

You Packer fans are amazing me that you don't care that you have NOBODY worth starting week #1 if Favre retires. NOBODY.

 

Your QB situation was shakey last year, it's worse off right now

 

Tony Banks

Jeff Blake

Kerry Collins

Ken Dorsey

Jay Fiedler

Maddox

Jamie Martin

Tim Rattay

 

That is the best list I could come up with for available QBs. Which one of those would you like to start your season out with this year (besides the always mentioned Collins?). May I recommend Tommy Maddox!!!!!!

 

Who signed that was that much better?

Sage Rosenfals? Josh McCown? Anthony Wright?

 

[murf74 461]

Yeah, might as well not sign anybody. You mean you wouldn't rather have Griese or even Nall? Come on, you really feel secure with Rodgers and that other pile of dung you have at QB going into the draft as the only guaranteed QB members of your team. Don't lie, I know you can't possibly like this situation.

 

You tell me I don't have a clue, yet you do agree that the Packers were looking like one of the worst run teams in the NFL until they got rid of Sherman. And you also agree the Packers would have signed a veteran QB on your roster if Favre retired. And you also agree there are garbage QBs left in free agency. So what, pray tell, do you disagree with me on?

 

What have the Packers done since Sherman has left to make this team any better? Why are they no longer one of the worst run franchises in the league? They have no vet QB plan if Favre retires, the Packers are a TON under the cap, yet the new regime made no new deals with that money to improve their o-line, RB (besides resigning your same old injury prone RBs), or LB. They still can't get Javon Walker to come back and play for the Packers and the team is fighting amongst themselves on who they should draft. Yep, everything's so much better without Sherman.

 

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