Packers arguing amongst themselves?

[kristv 0]

No offense, but what does "the face of the team" have anything to do with wins and losses?

 

BTW, you're arguing against your own points.

 

Who's gonna be the face of Green Bay?

 

1. Brett Favre (until he retires)

2. Ahman Green (when Favre retires)

3. Aaron Rogers

 

How many outside linebackers in the NFL are the "face of the team"?

 

Face of the team is not the be all, end all, of my point. It's just another reason to take Hawk, not the only reason. Please see my last post to PackerAaron. I'm done arguing my point. I'm agreeing to disagree. BTW, this is probably exactly what is going on in the Packers' head office.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Face of the team is not the be all, end all, of my point. It's just another reason to take Hawk, not the only reason. Please see my last post to PackerAaron. I'm done arguing my point. I'm agreeing to disagree. BTW, this is probably exactly what is going on in the Packers' head office.

 

Oh, no doubt. I wasn't sure what your main point about Hawk over Davis was. Don't get me wrong, Hawk's a good player. I would love to have a guy like that on the Eagles.

 

But the Packers are at a point where they need as much talent as possible. IMO, Davis is more talented and has much more to offer than Hawk.

 

Favre and/or Rodgers would benefit greatly having 2 stud TE's running routes in the middle of the field. Imagine splitting Davis out wide and having him run a jump ball route against a 5'9" CB. Besides, this years draft is pretty deep at LB. I think they should also take a strong look at guys like Bobby Carpenter and Demeco Ryans in the 2nd round as well.

 

Good debate.

[b.j. booker 0]

Packers should pick the best player AND athlete available. Hawk may fit a need, but Davis is the far better player and athlete at that pick.

 

How many TE's have there been with that type of size, speed, and ability? I can't think of anyone at all.

 

Davis is a freak of nature. Hawk is solid, but Davis can change a game on offense.

 

 

DRAFT V DAVIS....Thompson, GET IT DONE

 

Also, my Packers wish list:

1) Mario

2) V Davis

3) trade down

4) Hawk

[kristv 0]

Oh, no doubt. I wasn't sure what your main point about Hawk over Davis was. Don't get me wrong, Hawk's a good player. I would love to have a guy like that on the Eagles.

 

But the Packers are at a point where they need as much talent as possible. IMO, Davis is more talented and has much more to offer than Hawk.

 

Favre and/or Rodgers would benefit greatly having 2 stud TE's running routes in the middle of the field. Imagine splitting Davis out wide and having him run a jump ball route against a 5'9" CB. Besides, this years draft is pretty deep at LB. I think they should also take a strong look at guys like Bobby Carpenter and Demeco Ryans in the 2nd round as well.

 

Good debate.

 

 

Oh, most definitely. If they take Davis at #5, I'm hoping they take Carpenter with their next pick. I liked what I saw in that Jets thread with the video link of Davis. He looked like a monster in those highlights! Can't wait for the draft! One week!

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

No offense, but what does "the face of the team" have anything to do with wins and losses?

 

BTW, you're arguing against your own points.

 

Who's gonna be the face of Green Bay?

 

1. Brett Favre (until he retires)

2. Ahman Green (when Favre retires)

3. Aaron Rogers

 

How many outside linebackers in the NFL are the "face of the team"?

 

 

Football and the Packers, are a business. A business makes money first and foremost. You need someone to associate with the team.

 

- Brett Favre is the face of the Packers until he retires which could be before the 2006 season starts.

- Ahman will never be the face. He's already come and gone. Look at his contract. Expectations are not that high.

- Aaron Rogers.....maybe. He looked really comfortable with a clipboard last year though.

 

AJ Hawk would be very marketable as a Green Bay Packer.

[b.j. booker 0]

Football and the Packers, are a business. A business makes money first and foremost. You need someone to associate with the team.

 

- Brett Favre is the face of the Packers until he retires which could be before the 2006 season starts.

- Ahman will never be the face. He's already come and gone. Look at his contract. Expectations are not that high.

- Aaron Rogers.....maybe. He looked really comfortable with a clipboard last year though.

 

AJ Hawk would be very marketable as a Green Bay Packer.

 

 

Somehow I don't think that managment is arguing about who could "be the face of the team" when considering draft picks. They want either the best player available or to fill a position that is weak (hopefully both at the same time). Doing this leads to winning and winning teams make money. End of story.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Football and the Packers, are a business. A business makes money first and foremost. You need someone to associate with the team.

 

- Brett Favre is the face of the Packers until he retires which could be before the 2006 season starts.

- Ahman will never be the face. He's already come and gone. Look at his contract. Expectations are not that high.

- Aaron Rogers.....maybe. He looked really comfortable with a clipboard last year though.

 

AJ Hawk would be very marketable as a Green Bay Packer.

 

Why would you need to market a publicly owned NFL franchise that has a season ticket waiting list as long as theirs?

 

Why would you need to market a team that takes part in revenue sharing? Do you really think either guy is gonna get the Packers more MNF games?

 

Sure, football is a business. By your rationale, they should draft Vince Young or Matt Leinert.

 

It comes down to which player offers you the most at the pick. It's not a popularity contest. If the Packers are gonna base their choice on who's gonna sell the most jerseys, then they're in trouble.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Somehow I don't think that managment is arguing about who could "be the face of the team" when considering draft picks. They want either the best player available or to fill a position that is weak (hopefully both at the same time). Doing this leads to winning and winning teams make money. End of story.

 

 

I guarantee you management considers marketability of players.

 

It's not the end of the story. See Mike Vick. See Brian Urlacher. See Allen Iverson. See Kobe Bryant. You don't have to be a winning team for your team to make money and gain publicity.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

I guarantee you management considers marketability of players.

 

It's not the end of the story. See Mike Vick. See Brian Urlacher. See Allen Iverson. See Kobe Bryant. You don't have to be a winning team for your team to make money and gain publicity.

 

The team is making money regardless of who is on the field.

 

Green Bay has never had a problem putting rear ends in the seats. The team is an institution in Wisconsin.

 

Gonzo's marketable. Shockey's marketable. Everyone knows who Antonio Gates is. Shannon Sharpe, Kellen Winslow, etc..

 

Again, the team is owned by the public. If they were so concerned with making money, don't you think they would have built a state of the art, 75,000 seat stadium with PSL's and the like awhile ago?

 

From what I've always heard, Packer football is a way of life. The team's always gonna be at the top of the food chain in Wisconsin.

[b.j. booker 0]

Why would you need to market a publicly owned NFL franchise that has a season ticket waiting list as long as theirs?

 

Why would you need to market a team that takes part in revenue sharing? Do you really think either guy is gonna get the Packers more MNF games?

 

Sure, football is a business. By your rationale, they should draft Vince Young or Matt Leinert.

 

It comes down to which player offers you the most at the pick. It's not a popularity contest. If the Packers are gonna base their choice on who's gonna sell the most jerseys, then they're in trouble.

 

 

exactly

[uubeee 0]

Forget the hype with Davis. TE's don't win championships.

 

Trade down! Get more picks. Rebuild strong! Draft is too deep not to.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Exactly. Davis could impact a game like Shannon Sharpe did in his prime years in Denver. With his size and speed, he cannot be covered by a linebacker. Cover him with a safety or corner, you have a huge mismatch.

 

Hawk's a good player, but I don't see how he'll affect and change a game like Vernon Davis is capable of doing.

 

When you're rebuilding a team, you have to collect as many stud players as possible.

 

And Hawk is a stud as well.

[ROBOKOP 0]

As a Packer fan, I am very excited what the following week will bring. This team will have a new face and some new playmakers to improve things. Whats going to happen with Javon Walker? Will the Packers trade down or grab Hawk, Williams, Davis or Ferguson? Charles Woodson, Lavar Arrington question will likely be answered. Arrington hasnt signed yet so he's fair game. Ie heard "imminent signing" before and it hasnt meant much. We have had a fairly mild offseason thus far, but I'm looking for fireworks in the next week.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Hawk is in no way worth the #5 pick.

 

You don't take a guy at #5, and pay him the coresponding contract, when he won't even be on the field on third downs. That is not getting vaule from the pick. If last year taught us anything, Thompson stays true t o his board, If one of the Big Three QBs make it to #5, he'll take one. If Ferguson slips, he'll take it. If he gets an amazing offer from someone looking to trade up, he'll pull t he trigger. And yes, if Davis is there, I think he takes him in a heartbeat. The WCO can be devestating with two good TEs, as we saw with Jackson/Chmura. On top of all this, a miracle could happen and Williams could slip to 5.

 

Any of these could happen, and I would be happy. But taking Hawk just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Like many people have said......terrible point....Hawk is more of a "3rd down" guy than V Davis is... ...so you are saying that the Packers will be in Dime on every 3rd down?...thats just stupid...most 3rd downs are 3rd and 5 or 3rd and 2...Where do people get this "not a 3rd down guy" stuff from...totally ridiculous...i laugh every time i see this

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Unless Mario falls to them, I fully expect TT to trade down and try to pick up some more picks. He's a Wolf guy and that's what Wolf would do. TT also has a lot of confidence in his ability to mine talent in mid rounds, again, much like Wolf.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

"Just part of the offense'? Davis could blow Gates and/or Gonzalez out of the water if he reaches his potential. That's a bit more than just 'part of the offense'.

 

 

hate to argue with a fellow Packer fan but that is a silly post...

 

blow Tony G out of the water?....a HOFer....and potentially the best TE ever when he is done...

 

you are looking too much at combine numbers my friend..i would bet 1000 bucks you havnt seen Davis play 2 games before...(many casual fans havnt...)

 

I dont see how a TE can be much more of a "value" pick over a LB?...

 

You need to just stop popping one over his numbers and realize that doesnt mean all too much...going into this College Football season....M Lewis was the clear number 1 TE coming out...Davis was the 3rd TE when the first Mock Drafts started forming....its nice he can run a 4.38 but give me a break blow Tony G out of the water?

[adam smitty 0]

Vernon Davis is going to be a great player in this league but I really hope the Packers address other areas. That's about all I can say on the issue and really all that needs to be said IMO

[PackerAaron 0]

 

hate to argue with a fellow Packer fan but that is a silly post...

 

blow Tony G out of the water?....a HOFer....and potentially the best TE ever when he is done...

 

you are looking too much at combine numbers my friend..i would bet 1000 bucks you havnt seen Davis play 2 games before...(many casual fans havnt...)

 

I dont see how a TE can be much more of a "value" pick over a LB?...

 

You need to just stop popping one over his numbers and realize that doesnt mean all too much...going into this College Football season....M Lewis was the clear number 1 TE coming out...Davis was the 3rd TE when the first Mock Drafts started forming....its nice he can run a 4.38 but give me a break blow Tony G out of the water?

 

You did notice the word could, right?

 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

You did notice the word could, right?

 

 

anyone "could" do anything....

 

don't you think?...

 

It's just stupid to think Davis "could" blow Tony G away....when all you have to make this post on was his combine numbers...unless you live in the Maryland area or a Maryland fan...

 

A few 6th rounders in this draft "could" be pro bowlers and SB MVPs.....lets try to draft one of them at 5....after all they "could" be great!

[LunaTick 30]

thought of asking this question about, but felt it just as good to add to this

 

Who will replace Favre in the cheese mould in all the wisconsin cheese shops when he retires?

1. No one, still sell little favre cheeses

2. Someone on the current team

3. someone they draft this year or next

4. No one, they will retire the Favre cheeses when he retires.

 

 

You don't draft players to sell jerseys or to create identity.

You draft player, you sign players to better your team

if they better your team they offer themselves the opportunity to become he identity

what they then get for opportunities and do with that identity is up to them.

 

If the packers were to land a rb like Bush or if they decided against the Rodgers era and move on Young and company. The odds of someone in this draft being that entity increases.

 

I think when GB drafted Rodgers last year, they didn't think they would be in a position so close to 1 to be considering a qb this year.

But it was also the smart draft move last year.

May be drafting qb worth CONSIDERATION this year

Rodger has potential to be someone, or be griese/harrington etc as well. Until is proven is just potential.

Yet Packers needs are more than qb for the future. and just as important for the qb of the future is the Oline and the rb.

next year can be wr/te.

 

For Favre to return they need Olinemen.

You get them a rookie that can start this season, you may see his return.

 

Else, is up in the air.

 

Is it worth drafting an olinemen to return one player one more time.

[LunaTick 30]

Who is the fighting between?

 

And Minny radio reporting that does not automatically sound like credible source IMO.

 

 

It depends upon who said this.

 

Is it Paul Charchian with is sources

 

Is it (?) cannot remember the guy who hosts the Packers show. (who unlike Sho Nuff isn't a Packers appologist )

 

But if it is duckies and bunnies or common don't believe a word you are hearing.

both of those shows will just throw this stuff out there just to rile up both camps for their own entertainment.

 

So when was this stated and by whom and in what context.

 

 

Give us the podcast link for it too.

[Nelson Muntz 0]

i view with suspicion any media report that claims to know what's going on inside a team's war room right now. those places are locked down tight. and info that leaks out leaks out on purpose. for example, it would be in the packers interest for the media to report they have several players in mind and can't figure out whom they will take: that increases the pool of teams who might have to trade up with the packers to get their players on the packers "list of players we can't make up our minds about."

 

even if it's not that conspiratorial, i still have a hard time believing there are "unintentional" war room leaks like this.

 

For once, I COMPLETELY agree with SD. Well said!

[49ER MAN 0]

I think what some Packer fans are forgetting is they paid Bubba a nice contract and if they take Davis at 5, they'll most likely have to cough up a $10-15 million signing bonus for a TE. I'm sorry but locking up that kind of cash in a 2nd TE doesn't make much sense to me when they have other needs such as LB, OG,etc.