zmanzzzz 1 Posted July 26, 2006 taking bledsoe that early is just plain, well...trying to be nice here...um...ridiculous. and while i wouldn't take dillon over jones, that's at least a little more defensible than taking bledsoe in the 5th round. it might have been better here for you to simply say that jones lasted until 5.6 and not given us who you picked instead. just trying to help. i have bledsoe as the #3 qb in this years draft. he has his old coach, his favorite reciever, the best wr in the game, a top 3 te, a decent running game and a good defense to keep the O on the field. plus, it is kind of a homer league and 10 qbs had all ready been picked, so he prolly would have gone soon and i wanted him. i have always taken qbs early and have a winning record, so lets talk at the end of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted July 26, 2006 Calhoun = Michael Bennett/JJ Arrinton Thank you for that ignorant assessment. While I am not saying Calhoun will make an impact this year...the comparison with Bennett ends at "they both went to Wisconsin". The guy is a much better and complete back than Bennett could ever think of being. This comparison screams of, I have never seen Calhoun play a down and I have only looked at his 40 time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuse9 129 Posted July 26, 2006 taking bledsoe that early is just plain, well...trying to be nice here...um...ridiculous. We were talking about that last night. I would've agree with you but....he's got Terry Glenn coming off a pretty good year and if he continues that pace and stays healthy.....another great year isn't far fetched. Jason Witten, up and coming great TE and Randy Fasano is another nice weapon to have. So two very good targets at TE. Julius Jones when healthy is borderline a top ten back....even if he goes out, Barber showed last year he is more than capable of getting the job done. So you see Bledsoe has desent value right there. Now throw in Owens. IF...IF...IF he can stay on the team all year he raises Bledsoe's value through the roof!! You're looking at a minimum of 8 more TD passes, at least a 1000 more yards and big play potential every single play. Since we don't know who was drafted ahead or around Bledsoe it's hard to say if he took him too early, but it's eay to see that Bledsoe could have a huge year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 26, 2006 i have bledsoe as the #3 qb in this years draft. he has his old coach, his favorite reciever, the best wr in the game, a top 3 te, a decent running game and a good defense to keep the O on the field. plus, it is kind of a homer league and 10 qbs had all ready been picked, so he prolly would have gone soon and i wanted him. i have always taken qbs early and have a winning record, so lets talk at the end of the season. well, it's your right to have him ranked that high. but i doubt others do--hence, your ability to get him much later than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zmanzzzz 1 Posted July 26, 2006 well, it's your right to have him ranked that high. but i doubt others do--hence, your ability to get him much later than that. like i said it is a homer, qb happy league and i am high on drew and felt like i needed to take him then. in other leagues with ff savoy owners i would let him slide. 1.6 - payton manning 1.7 - Tom Brady qb--pats 1.9 - matt hassellbeck, qb, sea 1.12- marc bulger, qb, stl 2.5 - Carson Palmer QB CIN 3.11 - Jake Delhomme QB CAR 4.11 - Eli Manning QB NYG 5.1 - Donovan McNabb QB PHI 5.3 - Drew Bledsoe qb DAL 5.4 - Daunte Culpepper QB MIA 5.8 - DeShaun Foster RB CAR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 26, 2006 Thank you for that ignorant assessment. While I am not saying Calhoun will make an impact this year...the comparison with Bennett ends at "they both went to Wisconsin". The guy is a much better and complete back than Bennett could ever think of being. This comparison screams of, I have never seen Calhoun play a down and I have only looked at his 40 time. sho...defending a detroit lion player? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,367 Posted July 26, 2006 Lions head coach Rod Marinelli can say he is going to run the ball all he wants. Fact is, I don't think the team will move the ball on the ground enough and he'll have to pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted July 27, 2006 sho...defending a detroit lion player? Probably more the Wisconsin connection...but you remember draft day when I commented on that being a very good pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bottles 0 Posted July 27, 2006 i have bledsoe as the #3 qb in this years draft. You need to work on that. like i said it is a homer, qb happy league and i am high on drew and felt like i needed to take him then. in other leagues with ff savoy owners i would let him slide. 1.6 - payton manning 1.7 - Tom Brady qb--pats 1.9 - matt hassellbeck, qb, sea 1.12- marc bulger, qb, stl 2.5 - Carson Palmer QB CIN 3.11 - Jake Delhomme QB CAR 4.11 - Eli Manning QB NYG 5.1 - Donovan McNabb QB PHI 5.3 - Drew Bledsoe qb DAL 5.4 - Daunte Culpepper QB MIA 5.8 - DeShaun Foster RB CAR It depends what you mean by "qb happy league." Does the league scoring favor QBs to the point where the above is wise? If so, fine you need to grab Bledsoe at 5.3 maybe. However, if people are just being stupid, I would say exploit that by having sick RBs and WRs, draft a couple QBs later on and have a QBBC and dominate the other skill positions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Striker99 0 Posted July 27, 2006 I didn't know my lil question about K.Jones were cause this kinda responce. cool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Let Da Big Dog Eat 40 Posted July 27, 2006 The more I think about K Jones, the more I like him. Bryson and Pinner are nothing and Calhoun is a rook. I am a WI grad so I like Calhoun but he does not run between the tackles and does not like contact. That's college, so in the pro's, I see him more as a Randle El than a Westy. So, barring injury, I am thinking more every day that KJ could go stud in a Martz O. He has the speed, just don't know if he has the heart or the wiggle in open space. High risk, high reward, high pissed me off type. Late 3rd, 4th RD. Marginal RB2 right now. If drafting now, I would have to go with another RB right before or after him but if you already have a #1 and a JL type picked or likely available next, great pick. One of them should work out as a good #2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilroy 0 Posted July 27, 2006 Ok..so what round should he be drafted in (on average)? Can he pass as a weak #1 RB or Solid #2? I found this. The Detroit Free Press reports Lions head coach Rod Marinelli has reinforced his dedication to the run. "Pound the rock," he said. "Take your chewing and move on. That snap. That snap. That's what you do, and that's how you live your life, in my opinion." Let's hear it The Lions may run a lot, but they might be doing it with 3-4 different RBs throughout the year. Kevin Jones needs to prove himself to this new staff before expecting to be the starter throughout the season. My confidence isn't too high in him at the moment. He's a talented player, but he doesn't strike me as somebody ready to be a true featured back in the NFL. He hasn't carried more than 245 times in a season and averages just 15.25 carries a game for his career. I have enough concerns about the guy that I wouldn't feel comfortable using him as my 2nd RB. I'd pay attention to what comes out of training camp regarding the Lions RBs before expecting too much from Jones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 27, 2006 I didn't know my lil question about K.Jones were cause this kinda responce. cool strangely, any topic about the lions does this. go figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franknbeans 46 Posted July 27, 2006 He's a talented player, but he doesn't strike me as somebody ready to be a true featured back in the NFL. He hasn't carried more than 245 times in a season and averages just 15.25 carries a game for his career. I have enough concerns about the guy that I wouldn't feel comfortable using him as my 2nd RB. I'd pay attention to what comes out of training camp regarding the Lions RBs before expecting too much from Jones. It's only his 3rd season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uubeee 0 Posted July 27, 2006 Well we all know I am not a Lions fan. But this is FFB not favorite team fantasy football. So I do hope the KJ has a better year cause I got him as my #2RB in the 4th round. Here's hoping to something good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PTAKBuCS 0 Posted July 27, 2006 What Kevin Jones did last year has no affect on what he will do this year. His first year he was excellent over 1,000 yards. Last year he was terrible for a variety of reasons (injury, team, coaching.) The fact of the matter is this: the Lions are committed to Kevin Jones staying on the field on all downs (no more Bryson on 3rd down.) They have a new Mike Martz style offense. They have a better QB in Kitna. They have young WRs that will continue to get better. All of these point to a MUCH better year for K. Jones this season. Give K. Jones 300 carries (instead of 140 last year) and he will easily be in the 1,200 yard or more range. For those that gamble on Jones, the reward will be sweet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zmanzzzz 1 Posted July 27, 2006 You need to work on that.It depends what you mean by "qb happy league." Does the league scoring favor QBs to the point where the above is wise? If so, fine you need to grab Bledsoe at 5.3 maybe. However, if people are just being stupid, I would say exploit that by having sick RBs and WRs, draft a couple QBs later on and have a QBBC and dominate the other skill positions. in the 5th there are no sick rbs and wrs. i see a fairly flat tier of average, questionable players at both postitions for some time. the good qb bucket was about empty in my opinion and i selected from it. isnt that what value based drafting is all about? my roster: 5.03 drew blesoe 9.03 aaron brooks 1.03 shaun alexander 4.10 cory dillon 6.09 cedric benson 7.03 thomas jones 2.09 chad johnson 3.03 torry holt 8.10 terry glenn 10.10 drew bennett 11.03 mushin muhammid we get three more pics for a k & d and a s.a. handcuff. im pretty sure we are going to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilroy 0 Posted July 27, 2006 It's only his 3rd season I realize that, which is why I wouldn't right him off so quickly, but he isn't about to be handed anything from the Lions. He needs to prove he can be their featured back. He's had some success, but he hasn't proven himself as a lead RB yet and there's nothing saying he ever will. With the new coaching staff in place, the drafting of Brian Calhoun in the 3rd and the fact that KJ has had an oppurtunity in two seasons to already cement himself as the starter, I'm not very optimistic about him at the moment. In general, I think people are expecting too much from the Lions this season simply because Martz is the OC. The only players on that team I'd look forward to drafting at the moment are Roy Williams and whoever starts opposite him at WR (as a late round flier). Kitna may be a solid backup, but some seem to think he could pass as a fantasy teams starter and I don't see it happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilroy 0 Posted July 27, 2006 What Kevin Jones did last year has no affect on what he will do this year. His first year he was excellent over 1,000 yards. Last year he was terrible for a variety of reasons (injury, team, coaching.) The fact of the matter is this: the Lions are committed to Kevin Jones staying on the field on all downs (no more Bryson on 3rd down.) They have a new Mike Martz style offense. They have a better QB in Kitna. They have young WRs that will continue to get better. All of these point to a MUCH better year for K. Jones this season. Give K. Jones 300 carries (instead of 140 last year) and he will easily be in the 1,200 yard or more range. For those that gamble on Jones, the reward will be sweet. Give any RB in the league 300 carries and they should easily be in the 1200 yard range (it's only 4.0 YPC). The problem is finding a RB that can handle 300 carries in a season, and as of yet, KJ hasn't proven that. I'd be a little surprised if he reached that mark this season as well. Saying he has a better QB this year in Kitna is correct, but it isn't hard to upgrade over Joey Harrington. It's not as if they found themselves a franchise QB in Kitna. By the end of the year, I wouldn't be surprised to see McCown get a crack at the starting job if the Lions are struggling. I'm not sure where you get the commitment to KJ from the coaches either. Bryson may not be there for 3rd down duties, but Calhoun and Arlen Harris will be. I haven't heard anything from the Lions coaching staff that makes me believe they are committed to Kevin Jones as the starter this season. He'll have to earn his keep in that role throughout the year. Regarding the young WRs that will get better, which ones are you referring to? They have Roy Williams and that's it. Mike Williams and Charles Rogers are hanging on to their NFL careers by a thread at the moment. Corey Bradford could be a solid option, be he isn't a young guy getting better. Martz's system should benefit the Lions in time, but this is a rebuilding process the team is going through and I don't believe they have the talent in place to make it click very well from the start. Warner/Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce are far superior to Kitna, KJ and Roy Williams & friends unit set up in Motown. Lions players are getting too much hype for my liking and it seems as if it is still building rather than declining. You can't place Mike Martz at OC and expect everything to turn around in one offseason. It's going to take some time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 28, 2006 Give any RB in the league 300 carries and they should easily be in the 1200 yard range (it's only 4.0 YPC). The problem is finding a RB that can handle 300 carries in a season, and as of yet, KJ hasn't proven that. I'd be a little surprised if he reached that mark this season as well. Saying he has a better QB this year in Kitna is correct, but it isn't hard to upgrade over Joey Harrington. It's not as if they found themselves a franchise QB in Kitna. By the end of the year, I wouldn't be surprised to see McCown get a crack at the starting job if the Lions are struggling. I'm not sure where you get the commitment to KJ from the coaches either. Bryson may not be there for 3rd down duties, but Calhoun and Arlen Harris will be. I haven't heard anything from the Lions coaching staff that makes me believe they are committed to Kevin Jones as the starter this season. He'll have to earn his keep in that role throughout the year. Regarding the young WRs that will get better, which ones are you referring to? They have Roy Williams and that's it. Mike Williams and Charles Rogers are hanging on to their NFL careers by a thread at the moment. Corey Bradford could be a solid option, be he isn't a young guy getting better. Martz's system should benefit the Lions in time, but this is a rebuilding process the team is going through and I don't believe they have the talent in place to make it click very well from the start. Warner/Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce are far superior to Kitna, KJ and Roy Williams & friends unit set up in Motown. Lions players are getting too much hype for my liking and it seems as if it is still building rather than declining. You can't place Mike Martz at OC and expect everything to turn around in one offseason. It's going to take some time. lion players--with the exception of roy--are getting zero hype. where have you been and what have you been reading? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staubach the Great 0 Posted July 28, 2006 Anyone know his contract status? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yojimbo81 0 Posted July 28, 2006 KJ could be on the verge of a good year if he can stay healthy and the o-line holds up. All of the stuff I read says he has the goods but needs to still deliver. He does get into the endzone with 5 tds each the past two years. I don't see why people on the boards dog him. Last year he was injury prone. His numbers weren't all that bad. But you got burned if you drafted him high. ###### happens. Some may have had the same about Edge a few years back when he was injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duaneok66 0 Posted July 28, 2006 this thread is hilarious . . . again, the reason why KJ was pulled on passing downs is that he CANT BLOCK . . . why would it change with Martz?? Do you really think he will let his QB get killed . . . that's why guys like Bryson play on passing downs, they can block . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilroy 0 Posted July 28, 2006 lion players--with the exception of roy--are getting zero hype. where have you been and what have you been reading? Kitna's been getting tons of hype. KJ's been getting a bit to much attention too considering where he's going to finish the season in RB rankings. Do a search and on those two and you should see a bit of what I'm talking about. A lot of people have Kitna pegged as a sleeper QB this year. Same for KJ. He blew last season, yet people expect big things from him because he is in Martz's offense. The only player on that team who is a consistant performer is Roy Williams. Injuries are the only thing that hold him back. At the moment, R.O.Y. is the only Lions player I have much interest in. I'd take Corey Bradford as a late round flier, and if KJ was someone I could grab as my #3RB, I'd be happy, but I don't want him as my #2. this thread is hilarious . . . again, the reason why KJ was pulled on passing downs is that he CANT BLOCK . . . why would it change with Martz?? Do you really think he will let his QB get killed . . . that's why guys like Bryson play on passing downs, they can block . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 28, 2006 Kitna's been getting tons of hype. KJ's been getting a bit to much attention too considering where he's going to finish the season in RB rankings. Do a search and on those two and you should see a bit of what I'm talking about. A lot of people have Kitna pegged as a sleeper QB this year. Same for KJ. He blew last season, yet people expect big things from him because he is in Martz's offense. The only player on that team who is a consistant performer is Roy Williams. Injuries are the only thing that hold him back. At the moment, R.O.Y. is the only Lions player I have much interest in. I'd take Corey Bradford as a late round flier, and if KJ was someone I could grab as my #3RB, I'd be happy, but I don't want him as my #2. it's not like kj has never shown anything. if he were 32 or something i'd say, yeah, okay, big red flags. but the guy is in his early 20s and has shown talent and ability. write those guys off completely at your own peril. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 29, 2006 update on jones after day 1 of practice from mlive.com "Best catch: RB Kevin Jones made a nice one-handed catch while going full speed over the middle during individual drills. Jones, who was pulled on third-down situations in his first two seasons, looks much more comfortable coming out of the backfield on passing routes. He looks much better catching the ball because he's worked so hard on it and he's no longer fighting the ball." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites