Vince Young or Matt Leinart

[Super Cubs 156]

To make a long story short we all know about both QBs as far as background, playing styles, team situations, so on, ect.....And not all great nfl QBs make for great fantasy QBs. So the question I have for you is:

 

Who would you rather have on your fantasy team for the long hall Vince or Matt?

[ElvisMcCoy 0]

Matt would be my choice as I believe he will be a better passer with better "vision" on the field.

Young will be an outstanding athlete but will be more like Michael Vick than Peyton.

[ellisonb11 0]

i believe leinart will be a better QB in the longhaul...look at what he has to work with (edge, boldin, fitz), while vince young has drew bennett, givens, and lendale white....

 

Leinart clearly has the advantage.

[Raider 84 29]

Leinart has two young stud wrs to throw to for years.

[Super Cubs 156]

Matt would be my choice as I believe he will be a better passer with better "vision" on the field.

Young will be an outstanding athlete but will be more like Michael Vick than Peyton.

I think Young will be more like McNabb/Culpepper than Vick.

[IAMWood 6]

Vince Young >= Steve Young > Michael Vick

 

Trent Dilfer > Matt Whineart >= Cryin Leaf

[cheetah6 0]

Vince Young >= Steve Young >= Michael Vick

 

Trent Dilfer > Matt Whineart >= Cryin Leaf

 

Today - Linehart

Next Year - YOUNG! Watch him... he is a winner as we all know.

[Rookie QB 0]

Hasselbeck = Leinart

Vick = Young

 

 

I'll take Leinart for my franchise. Not the greatest arm but he plays smart and can lead a team.

 

 

 

(Not a USC or Texas fan).

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Hasselbeck = Leinart

Vick = Young

I'll take Leinart for my franchise. Not the greatest arm but he plays smart and can lead a team.

(Not a USC or Texas fan).

Vick is NOT a good comparison for Young! Vick is 6ft tall, maybe, Vince is 6' 4". Vick is fast, Vince is more of a long strider.

 

Id take Lienhart for the first two years, but then vince will be a monster.

[Rookie QB 0]

Vick is NOT a good comparison for Young! Vick is 6ft tall, maybe, Vince is 6' 4". Vick is fast, Vince is more of a long strider.

 

Id take Lienhart for the first two years, but then vince will be a monster.

 

 

Just a question...are you a Longhorn fan?

[mulletia 0]

vince young is either going to be amazing or hes going to bomb. My guess, he's going to be out of the league in 3 years.

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Just a question...are you a Longhorn fan?

Yes. I've watched him for 4 years now, and I will tell you that he is not like Michael Vick. Their only thing they have in common is that they are good runners, but in very very different ways.

 

Vick runs fast, like sub 4.40, with short steps that make him good at juking players, and spends most of his time running, instead of trying to throw the ball. He is in an offense that does not suit his skill set. Young is going to have to learn alot, granted, on how to become a good pro QB. However, his running skills are different. He is a long strider who is deceptively quick. His size makes him a much better prospect at QB because he can actually see over his offensive line. At Texas, he used a one read system to help him adjust, but last year he made alot of progress in moving to his second and third option before running.

 

Did Vick ever win a championship? Or come close? Is he the leader like Young was? NO, its taken Vick years to learn those intangibles. Young is just a winner. Thats what he does. He showed up BIG last year in the games where he was needed. He played against a great USC team and single handedly OWNED them.

 

So yes, Im a Longhorns fan. But I will say that it will take time for Vince to be a good pro QB. Hopefully he sits this year and has the chance to learn before they throw him out there.

[FlaHawker 24]

Yes. I've watched him for 4 years now, and I will tell you that he is not like Michael Vick. Their only thing they have in common is that they are good runners, but in very very different ways.

 

Vick runs fast, like sub 4.40, with short steps that make him good at juking players, and spends most of his time running, instead of trying to throw the ball. He is in an offense that does not suit his skill set. Young is going to have to learn alot, granted, on how to become a good pro QB. However, his running skills are different. He is a long strider who is deceptively quick. His size makes him a much better prospect at QB because he can actually see over his offensive line. At Texas, he used a one read system to help him adjust, but last year he made alot of progress in moving to his second and third option before running.

 

Did Vick ever win a championship? Or come close? Is he the leader like Young was? NO, its taken Vick years to learn those intangibles. Young is just a winner. Thats what he does. He showed up BIG last year in the games where he was needed. He played against a great USC team and single handedly OWNED them.

 

So yes, Im a Longhorns fan. But I will say that it will take time for Vince to be a good pro QB. Hopefully he sits this year and has the chance to learn before they throw him out there.

 

 

I'll admit that outside of some nationally televised games, I didn't see a whole lot of Vince Young at UT. What worries me about his career is the perceived "intelligence" issue. Many college players can get by on pure physical ability; that doesn't always work in the pros. If Vince has the mental aptitude to go along with th physical talent, there is no reason that by 2008 the Titans will be a team to reckon with. I hope he does well!

[tampa_fan_01 0]

I'll admit that outside of some nationally televised games, I didn't see a whole lot of Vince Young at UT. What worries me about his career is the perceived "intelligence" issue. Many college players can get by on pure physical ability; that doesn't always work in the pros. If Vince has the mental aptitude to go along with th physical talent, there is no reason that by 2008 the Titans will be a team to reckon with. I hope he does well!

I agree, he has some things to work on. But intelligence shouldnt be a problem. His football IQ is pretty high, and he didnt throw alot of picks last year opposed to his high passing statistics. His offense the last year he was there was not as much of a one read scheme as has been published wildly. I hope he does well too, and I believe that in 2007 or 2008 he should be just fine!

[lguero1 4]

Vince Young >= Steve Young > Michael Vick

 

Trent Dilfer > Matt Whineart >= Cryin Leaf

 

wow.

 

Matt Whineart & Nick Lachey = Love.

 

I still think matt will be a better QB in the pros than vince young. he looks like he is following the peyton model and not the cryin leaf model.

 

i do like vince young's coach and offensive system but leinart looks like he's going to have some weapons for a while around him.

[texasmouth 1]

I think Young will be more like McNabb/Culpepper than Vick.

You are exactly right, an even better comparison would be Steve McNair in my opinion.

 

I think everyone is getting a little ahead of themselves on the Matt Lienart bandwagon. You know more than the NFL scouts? Clearly if he was going to be as great as everyone thinks he would have been taken higher than 10th. Lienart played against some really weak defenses. The games were won in SC last season and the season before because the WR ALWAYS had single coverage. The defenses had to leave the extra man in the box to cover Lendale and Bush. Granted, there could not be a better situation to go to than Arizona, two great WR, a big young TE and that Edge guy........ I guess I am not as high on Lienart as some people. I think he will struggle.

 

Vince YOung doesnt have that great of an arm, isnt nearly as accurate yet he still found ways to win. Anyone who actually watched him play, which is very few of the people making comments about him, would see he makes great decisions. He isnt fast like Mike Vick. He rarely burned anyone like Vick does. He made good decisions and ran when he created a hole. Against the Buckeyes, he won the game with his arm, making a precise throw, to the corner of the end zone. He makes the plays he needs to make. And just because you watched the National Championship doesnt mean you have "seen" him play. That was one game. I have seen every game this guy has played, some of them several times. The guy is just a winner.

 

wow.

 

Matt Whineart & Nick Lachey = Love.

 

I still think matt will be a better QB in the pros than vince young. he looks like he is following the peyton model and not the cryin leaf model.

 

i do like vince young's coach and offensive system but leinart looks like he's going to have some weapons for a while around him.

Name one thing that Lienart has done that puts him in the model of Peyton Manning? What has he done?

[tampa_fan_01 0]

I think im going to watch the Rose Bowl right now. It always makes me smile =) Lienhart should be a decent pro, I think he could be very very good. But he did play some crappy college competition, and did have FMW, Bush, Lendale White, and a great supporting cast. Vince had Dave Thomas, WRs named Limas Sweed and Billy Pittman. I mean, Limas. What the... who names your kid after a bean?

[texasmouth 1]

I think im going to watch the Rose Bowl right now. It always makes me smile =) Lienhart should be a decent pro, I think he could be very very good. But he did play some crappy college competition, and did have FMW, Bush, Lendale White, and a great supporting cast. Vince had Dave Thomas, WRs named Limas Sweed and Billy Pittman. I mean, Limas. What the... who names your kid after a bean?

Which Rose Bowl, YOung dominated it two years in a row.

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Which Rose Bowl, YOung dominated it two years in a row.

Oh yeah

 

The one where we Pwnd Bush and Lienhart

[harken34 0]

Two words..... Fitz and Boldin

[Joe Willie 0]

You are exactly right, an even better comparison would be Randall Cunningham in my opinion.

Fixored

 

I think everyone is getting a little ahead of themselves on the Matt Lienart bandwagon. You know more than the NFL scouts? Clearly if he was going to be as great as everyone thinks he would have been taken higher than 10th.

So anyone taken 10th overall or later in the draft will never make it? I'd say that being taken 10th overall shows the scouts think he will be great. Obviously potential plays into it with both Leinart and Young, but both can be great. Young being selected 3rd vs Leinart being selected 10th doesnt give Young a leg up in making it as a pro QB, after all Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason and Ken O'Brien were all taken in the 1st round ahead of Dan Marino. The UT games I watched with Young (certainly not every one, maybe 4-5 over the past 2 seasons) showed me a great leader who does indeed know how to win......at the college level. I saw very few instances where he actually read a defense, went thru his progressions and looked to his 2nd, 3rd or 4th options before taking off and improvising. He will have to learn and progress to make it in the NFL - that's not saying he wont or that I don't think he will.....obviously he is a huge talent, but Leinart is ahead of him when it comes to the QB position in the NFL at this time.

 

 

I have seen every game this guy has played, some of them several times. The guy is just a winner.

....and we have an early entry for man crush of the year!

[texasmouth 1]

Fixored

So anyone taken 10th overall or later in the draft will never make it? I'd say that being taken 10th overall shows the scouts think he will be great. Obviously potential plays into it with both Leinart and Young, but both can be great. Young being selected 3rd vs Leinart being selected 10th doesnt give Young a leg up in making it as a pro QB, after all Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason and Ken O'Brien were all taken in the 1st round ahead of Dan Marino. The UT games I watched with Young (certainly not every one, maybe 4-5 over the past 2 seasons) showed me a great leader who does indeed know how to win......at the college level. I saw very few instances where he actually read a defense, went thru his progressions and looked to his 2nd, 3rd or 4th options before taking off and improvising. He will have to learn and progress to make it in the NFL - that's not saying he wont or that I don't think he will.....obviously he is a huge talent, but Leinart is ahead of him when it comes to the QB position in the NFL at this time.

....and we have an early entry for man crush of the year!

Good call on my man crush and even better call on the Randall Cunningham comparison.

 

I never said anyone drafted at 10th or better wouldnt amount to anything, I just said it shows that a lot of teams who need QB's werent sold on him being the next coming of Christ like some think he will be.

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Fixored

The UT games I watched with Young (certainly not every one, maybe 4-5 over the past 2 seasons) showed me a great leader who does indeed know how to win......at the college level. I saw very few instances where he actually read a defense, went thru his progressions and looked to his 2nd, 3rd or 4th options before taking off and improvising.

Im watching the Rose Bowl game now. Even in this one game, you can clearly see him looking through a progression as he picked apart the Trojans defense. I'm not saying he is Peyton Manning, but anyone who says he hasnt done it yet obviously has not watched Vince play on a consistant basis. He does have to improve alot in this area in the pros.

 

You know, I just realized how bad the person in charge of the clock was at this game. I'm not sure they really got one call right as far as keeping the clock right...

[Joe Willie 0]

Im watching the Rose Bowl game now. Even in this one game, you can clearly see him looking through a progression as he picked apart the Trojans defense. I'm not saying he is Peyton Manning, but anyone who says he hasnt done it yet obviously has not watched Vince play on a consistant basis. He does have to improve alot in this area in the pros.

 

You know, I just realized how bad the person in charge of the clock was at this game. I'm not sure they really got one call right as far as keeping the clock right...

Agreed - I have not watched Young play on a consistant basis. I'm actually in a deep keeper league where the draft consists of rookies and a few decent free agents that the better, deeper teams had to cut. When my pick comes up, all of the rookie RB's will be gone and I will be left to choose between Ron Dayne, Ahman Green or one of the Rookie QB's. Since I am fairly deep at RB I am looking at taking either Leinart or Young to stash away for a year or so with the hope that they will hit it big down the road. At this point, I'm leaning toawrds Leinart (obviously - based on my earlier post). I guess I need to watch some more of those UT games before I make that pick.

[texasmouth 1]

Agreed - I have not watched Young play on a consistant basis. I'm actually in a deep keeper league where the draft consists of rookies and a few decent free agents that the better, deeper teams had to cut. When my pick comes up, all of the rookie RB's will be gone and I will be left to choose between Ron Dayne, Ahman Green or one of the Rookie QB's. Since I am fairly deep at RB I am looking at taking either Leinart or Young to stash away for a year or so with the hope that they will hit it big down the road. At this point, I'm leaning toawrds Leinart (obviously - based on my earlier post). I guess I need to watch some more of those UT games before I make that pick.

Dont do that. Take Lienart. Then live to regret it.......

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Dont do that. Take Lienart. Then live to regret it.......

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

[IAMWood 6]

Agreed - I have not watched Young play on a consistant basis. I'm actually in a deep keeper league where the draft consists of rookies and a few decent free agents that the better, deeper teams had to cut. When my pick comes up, all of the rookie RB's will be gone and I will be left to choose between Ron Dayne, Ahman Green or one of the Rookie QB's. Since I am fairly deep at RB I am looking at taking either Leinart or Young to stash away for a year or so with the hope that they will hit it big down the road. At this point, I'm leaning toawrds Leinart (obviously - based on my earlier post). I guess I need to watch some more of those UT games before I make that pick.

 

From someone who has seen every down that Vince Young played in college. All the home games and a number of away games live. The guy doesn't make the same mistake twice. He may not be that book smart, in his interviews he isn't the most well spoken guy, a lot of that can be attributed to being shy. A solid guy who will go to any length for his team, and they will do the same for him. A leader by example and demanding the best from his teammates. Texas had an awesome O-line, but nothing like USC's. Whineart had some great weapons and all the protection in the world, he also had great accuracy and won many games with his arm. Not sure how he will handle in his face pressure, if he is like Kurt Warner, which he may very well be, ironic, it will all depend on his O-line. Vince can scramble away from some pressure to make plays, ala Steve Young, Elway, R. Cunningham. Vince is a hoss. Not sure what Texasmouth was looking at when he saw games, Vince has tremendous arm strength and throws by touch, which is off sometimes. Leinart has better mechanics, but I like the touch passer better. No brainer to me, although I am biased, Vince would be my #1 pick in a dynasty or keeper league. Don't say I didn't tell ya.

 

2005 usc greatest team of all time.

 

 

side note: I also have always said Cedric Benson would not be a viable fantasy player. I bleed orange but I can see too.

 

 

 

 

[Cowboy918 0]

From someone who has seen every down that Vince Young played in college. All the home games and a number of away games live. The guy doesn't make the same mistake twice. He may not be that book smart, in his interviews he isn't the most well spoken guy, a lot of that can be attributed to being shy. A solid guy who will go to any length for his team, and they will do the same for him. A leader by example and demanding the best from his teammates. Texas had an awesome O-line, but nothing like USC's. Whineart had some great weapons and all the protection in the world, he also had great accuracy and won many games with his arm. Not sure how he will handle in his face pressure, if he is like Kurt Warner, which he may very well be, ironic, it will all depend on his O-line. Vince can scramble away from some pressure to make plays, ala Steve Young, Elway, R. Cunningham. Vince is a hoss. Not sure what Texasmouth was looking at when he saw games, Vince has tremendous arm strength and throws by touch, which is off sometimes. Leinart has better mechanics, but I like the touch passer better. No brainer to me, although I am biased, Vince would be my #1 pick in a dynasty or keeper league. Don't say I didn't tell ya.

 

2005 usc greatest team of all time.

side note: I also have always said Cedric Benson would not be a viable fantasy player. I bleed orange but I can see too.

Nice post but I have to disagree with you about Cedric, as soon as he wins the job he will be a stud. Too much talent, too much passion as to much to prove. He is certainly a better back than T.Jones(not that he is a bad back), and with that Bears defense I look for him to really get off to a fast start this year.

[IAMWood 6]

Nice post but I have to disagree with you about Cedric, as soon as he wins the job he will be a stud. Too much talent, too much passion as to much to prove. He is certainly a better back than T.Jones(not that he is a bad back), and with that Bears defense I look for him to really get off to a fast start this year.

 

Hope you are right, I am rooting for him, but not enough quickness and gets arm tacled to easy. Hope I am wrong about Cedric. Don't think I am.

[football is life 0]

I'd take Young. I love his mobility and Norm Chow! Great young receivers too. Slam dunk IMO.

[DaveJ 0]

Define better QB??

 

If its excitement and big play potential, then Young.. if its day in day out performance and winning games its going to be Lienart.

 

Youngs future really depends on who comes in once Fisher is shown the door... if they truly build a team around him with quality WR's and a flexible/mobile O line, he could be a VERY good QB.

 

Leinart has the best team around him right now and for the next 4 or 5 years, if he steps in and progresses rapidly, he could be the johnny on the spot and win some SB's with that team.

[Chronic Husker 86]

QB is the hardest position to project (Leaf, Akili Smith, Klingler, etc).

 

Leinhart could be one of the better QBs in NFL history. Especially if he's anything like Palmer. But he could easily turn into Ryan Leaf. Especially in the Cardinals environment.

 

Young may not succeed as a great passer but he will be a starting NFL QB for the next decade. It's a coin-flip between him and Vick as to who is the better running QB coming out of college. But Young is bigger (and probably regarded as a better passer).

 

People knock Vick for his passing. But look at his winning % as a starter. And then look at the players around him.

 

Young will win in the NFL. Which means he will play. The stats will follow.

[toofunny 0]

Yes. I've watched him for 4 years now, and I will tell you that he is not like Michael Vick. Their only thing they have in common is that they are good runners, but in very very different ways.

 

Vick runs fast, like sub 4.40, with short steps that make him good at juking players, and spends most of his time running, instead of trying to throw the ball. He is in an offense that does not suit his skill set. Young is going to have to learn alot, granted, on how to become a good pro QB. However, his running skills are different. He is a long strider who is deceptively quick. His size makes him a much better prospect at QB because he can actually see over his offensive line. At Texas, he used a one read system to help him adjust, but last year he made alot of progress in moving to his second and third option before running.

 

Did Vick ever win a championship? Or come close? Is he the leader like Young was? NO, its taken Vick years to learn those intangibles. Young is just a winner. Thats what he does. He showed up BIG last year in the games where he was needed. He played against a great USC team and single handedly OWNED them.

 

So yes, Im a Longhorns fan. But I will say that it will take time for Vince to be a good pro QB. Hopefully he sits this year and has the chance to learn before they throw him out there.

 

Uhhh, Vick did play in a national championship game as a redshirt freshmen (with much less talent around him). He almost beat FSU single-handedly, giving VT an early lead. Vick has also been an NFC championship game. Young won't sniff one of those for 4-5 years - at best.

 

And Vick ran in the 4.2 range. Not 4.4. And VY runs in the 4.6 range. They're not even close.

 

Young = Cpepp far more then Vick.

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Uhhh, Vick did play in a national championship game as a redshirt freshmen (with much less talent around him). He almost beat FSU single-handedly, giving VT an early lead. Vick has also been an NFC championship game. Young won't sniff one of those for 4-5 years - at best.

 

And Vick ran in the 4.2 range. Not 4.4. And VY runs in the 4.6 range. They're not even close.

 

Young = Cpepp far more then Vick.

While I sense your arguing with me, I think were in the same boat. Young isnt close to being as fast as vick, although 4.2 40 yard dash would be suprising. In any event, Vince beat USC by himself, and Vick couldn't do that...I agree he is more Culpepper than Vick though.

[toofunny 0]

While I sense your arguing with me, I think were in the same boat. Young isnt close to being as fast as vick, although 4.2 40 yard dash would be suprising. In any event, Vince beat USC by himself, and Vick couldn't do that...I agree he is more Culpepper than Vick though.

 

Vick couldn't do that? He led his team 13-0 and to the title game as a red shirt freshmen. What did VY do as a freshman? Jack squat.

 

You're a Longhorn homer. And you're selling Vick short. He was as impressive as Young in college. In fact, you could agrue more impressive, because he was taken 1st overall. And as stated before, Texas has far more talent then any team Vick had to work with.

 

But yes, VY = Vick is wrong. Totally different skill set.

[Torch78 0]

It would be interesting to see how many NFL teams had Leinart as the top QB and how many had Young. Obviously the Titans had Young higher, but that doesnt mean he was the consenses #1 QB in the draft. And the fact that Leinart dropped to number 10 had less to do with his skills than it did with the needs of the teams in the first 9 picks. Only 1 of those teams felt they needed a QB and so Young got picked. Who knows, maybe the other 8 teams had Leinart rated higher, but they didnt need him as badly as they needed their pick.

 

If I had to pick a QB to use in the next 2 years, it would be Leinart. If I were to pick a QB for the future, I think I would go with Young because he is more athletic, unless the Titans do nothing in the next few years to improve the WR - then I would stick with Leinart.

 

I think that Young will have no problem learning how to be an NFL QB. The problem with college football is that most coaches take a players stregths and build the offense to incorporate those skills instead of developing the entire player. Take a look at Brad Smith at Missouri. If he had been developed better he might have been able to play QB in the NFL. Instead they just made him a running QB. As it is, he is going to have to switch to WR. Leinart was lucky to be in the system he was in.

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Vick couldn't do that? He led his team 13-0 and to the title game as a red shirt freshmen. What did VY do as a freshman? Jack squat.

 

You're a Longhorn homer. And you're selling Vick short. He was as impressive as Young in college. In fact, you could agrue more impressive, because he was taken 1st overall. And as stated before, Texas has far more talent then any team Vick had to work with.

 

But yes, VY = Vick is wrong. Totally different skill set.

I'm not saying that Vick wasnt amazing in college. He was. Vince was just better. He led his team to a national championship, and was the #1 in the nation IN PASSING EFFICIENCY... yes. Look it up. I also think he has a skill set that would make him more apt to succede in the pro game. I do like Mike Vick, he is my starter in my 12 teamer.

 

So mike vick is good, I think Vince was better, get your panties out of a wad