TE or no TE

[jerryskids 6,790]

My league of a bazillion years always had a required TE. Impacted the draft strategy. This year the owners decided to do away with it, so we'll have combined WR/TE and start 3 total. I have mixed feelings about this, I think I will miss the TE come draft day.

[football is life 0]

Bring the TE back. Makes it much more fun when Gates is taken. Basically Gates in pretty much the only draftable TE in your league now

[gottabesweet84 0]

I like it

 

Im not sure why though.

 

I prefer

 

1qb

2rb

3wr

1te

1flex

 

leagues.

[kutulu 1,676]

You got a big fat ass.

[jerryskids 6,790]

You got a big fat ass.

32 inch waste here brotha. Go sniff some more glue.

[Ras66not99 0]

My league of a bazillion years always had a required TE. Impacted the draft strategy. This year the owners decided to do away with it, so we'll have combined WR/TE and start 3 total. I have mixed feelings about this, I think I will miss the TE come draft day.

 

Is there a TE in football ???? Simple Answer = YES...... Fantasy Football should be like the NFL in my opinion (though u can't have O-Lineman obviously) but every other position should be givin love..... IDP's should be a big part off FFL as well as offensive positions....I know a lot of leagues don't use IDP's and that's a shame and a waste.... and as for not having a TE ??? that's 100 times more weak ...

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Is there a TE in football ???? Simple Answer = YES...... Fantasy Football should be like the NFL in my opinion (though u can't have O-Lineman obviously) but every other position should be givin love..... IDP's should be a big part off FFL as well as offensive positions....I know a lot of leagues don't use IDP's and that's a shame and a waste.... and as for not having a TE ??? that's 100 times more weak ...

 

Good topic. As for the above, one of the most stupid comments ever (re TE). The TE is optional in the NFL with all the 3 WR sets. If you wish to be like the NFL then don't require one. In the league I Commish we give 1 pt/20 yds for WR and 1/10 for TE. All else is =. Gives good TE's enough of an edge to make them valuable but kind of parallels the NFL in how much value they have. The elite = or slightly < than the bottom tier of elite WR.

 

My take on it is that when you see an inequity, adjust for it, don't make rules about it.

[gottabesweet84 0]

Fantasy Fullbacks

[Ras66not99 0]

Good topic. As for the above, one of the most stupid comments ever (re TE). The TE is optional in the NFL with all the 3 WR sets. If you wish to be like the NFL then don't require one. In the league I Commish we give 1 pt/20 yds for WR and 1/10 for TE. All else is =. Gives good TE's enough of an edge to make them valuable but kind of parallels the NFL in how much value they have. The elite = or slightly < than the bottom tier of elite WR.

 

My take on it is that when you see an inequity, adjust for it, don't make rules about it.

 

Are you saying i'm stupid ? Do You know a team in the NFL that doesn't have or use a TE dude ? If so please elighten me as to which team that is.....

[shadow2k 0]

Bring the TE back. Makes it much more fun when Gates is taken. Basically Gates in pretty much the only draftable TE in your league now

 

12 teams X 3WR each = 36 starters each week

 

#36 = Ernest Wilford @ 115pts

 

TE's who finished above that:

 

Gates

Heap

Cooley

Shockey

Witten

Crumpler

Gonzales

 

Seeing how most teams will have at least 4WR's...yeah. TE's get drafted in my league, and we don't require TE's. We dropped them back when we had a 16-team league, because we got tired of half the teams catching 0's from that position, and nobody really enjoyed pouring over stats from a bunch of glorified blockers.

 

I think that of those guys, only Cooley and Crumpler weren't drafted (and we only go 14 deep). I think a couple others were drafted beyond them though.

 

Are you saying i'm stupid ? Do You know a team in the NFL that doesn't have or use a TE dude ? If so please elighten me as to which team that is.....

 

Washington last year? Although I believe Saunders is going back to the traditional TE.

[Striker99 0]

Fantasy Fullbacks

 

[shadow2k 0]

Fantasy Fullbacks

 

Larry Centers! You know you love him.

[Ras66not99 0]

Washington last year? Although I believe Saunders is going back to the traditional TE.

Ah the whole Cooley H-Back thing eh....... still Robert Royal caught some balls last year... not many... but enough

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Are you saying i'm stupid ? Do You know a team in the NFL that doesn't have or use a TE dude ? If so please elighten me as to which team that is.....

 

St L. Believe it was in the SB year, maybe the year after, year before or all 3.

 

No, I am not saying YOU are stupid. But, I am saying that it is stupid to require a TE. There are better ways to handle the position, like PPR or yardage differences/pts. If you disagree with that statement then I will say that your position on the issue is stupid. I have offered a solution which in my experience resolves the problem in a far better way and mimicks the NFL in a way that requiring a TE does not.

[shadow2k 0]

Ah the whole Cooley H-Back thing eh....... still Robert Royal caught some balls last year... not many... but enough

 

Yes, they had a TE. But they didn't feature the position. There are so many TE's in the league that do jack week to week. Like I said, we dropped it because in a 16 team league, it just wasn't fun to have to start some putz who spent 99% of the plays blocking. Same reason we went from 16 to 12 teams. Because drooling over having S.Bryson as your #2 RB was not fun.

 

Arguing it on the bases that the NFL does it is silly. In that case, you shouldn't start two RB's. Just one RB and one FB. You should flex basically everything but QB, because not every play has a TE, 3WR's, or even a RB on the field. And you should have 32 teams, and stick O-linemen in there as well.

 

Some leagues just don't find TE's to add to the fun. So we leave them out. The good ones still get attention, no worries there. We just don't have to deal with the crappy ones.

[Ras66not99 0]

St L. Believe it was in the SB year, maybe the year after, year before or all 3.

 

No, I am not saying YOU are stupid. But, I am saying that it is stupid to require a TE. There are better ways to handle the position, like PPR or yardage differences/pts. If you disagree with that statement then I will say that your position on the issue is stupid. I have offered a solution which in my experience resolves the problem in a far better way and mimicks the NFL in a way that requiring a TE does not.

 

Look all i'm saying is every NFL team has a TE... including the Rams offenses in the recent past.... the guy asked what people think and I gave my opinion... You claimed it was "one of the most stupid comments ever regarding TE's" A little extreme IMO, but if that's what ya think that's cool..... I think it's pretty lame that leagues don't use TE's, that's all... It's an important position and there's plenty of options fantasy wise with the "new wave" coming in, never said it should be mandatory....

 

There are so many TE's in the league that do jack week to week. Like I said, we dropped it because in a 16 team league, it just wasn't fun to have to start some putz who spent 99% of the plays blocking.

 

I can see your point if you're in a 16 team league and it's been going for a long time.... a few years ago it was Tony G.... and then everyone else far behind.... but now teams are drafting the "new breed" TE's as weapons and the field is growing larger and larger.... you guys haven't considered going back to the TE now with all this recent positive growth from the position ?

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Is there a TE in football ???? Simple Answer = YES...... Fantasy Football should be like the NFL in my opinion (though u can't have O-Lineman obviously) but every other position should be givin love..... IDP's should be a .I know a lot of leagues don't use IDP's and that's a shame and a waste.... and as for not having a TE ??? that's 100 times more weak ...

 

No, the above was what you said. It's just untrue. And, my point is that:

 

1: Don't post things that are not true. TE is not a required position in the NFL. Nor, do all teams play one.

2. Let you league owner's do what they want and don't give them artificial rules. If you see an inequity like TE's just adjust for it.

3. Requiring a TE is stupid. Let owners do what they want. And to say that not requiring one is weak, well that's just weak.

 

Am not trying to flame you or start an here. But, let's not say things that are not true to justify positions. I want you to have a better league for the right reasons.

[BringBackBernie 0]

Good topic. As for the above, one of the most stupid comments ever (re TE). The TE is optional in the NFL with all the 3 WR sets. If you wish to be like the NFL then don't require one. In the league I Commish we give 1 pt/20 yds for WR and 1/10 for TE. All else is =. Gives good TE's enough of an edge to make them valuable but kind of parallels the NFL in how much value they have. The elite = or slightly < than the bottom tier of elite WR.

 

My take on it is that when you see an inequity, adjust for it, don't make rules about it.

 

Don't fly off the handle or anything. Can you please list all of the "most stupid comments" ever?

[Ras66not99 0]

No, the above was what you said. It's just untrue. And, my point is that:

 

1: Don't post things that are not true. TE is not a required position in the NFL. Nor, do all teams play one.

2. Let you league owner's do what they want and don't give them artificial rules. If you see an inequity like TE's just adjust for it.

3. Requiring a TE is stupid. Let owners do what they want. And to say that not requiring one is weak, well that's just weak.

 

Am not trying to flame you or start an here. But, let's not say things that are not true to justify positions. I want you to have a better league for the right reasons.

 

So you're saying that just because in the NFL you have the option not to use a TE.. even though there are a few on every NFL roster and plenty of them get playing time (even though they may not use them "statistically" as much as other teams) that they don't have to be on the field every play so they're not a requirement... gotcha

 

P.S. - all teams play one at some point in the game.... Ok Ok 99.9999 % of the time

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Don't fly off the handle or anything. Can you please list all of the "most stupid comments" ever?

 

Use Search. Poster: Swamp Dog.

 

HTH

[Ras66not99 0]

Use Search. Poster: Swamp Dog.

 

HTH

 

I've noticed a few people mention swamp dog as being a bad egg.... haven't seen him post anything odd yet, but i'm fairly new here so i'll keep waiting to see one in a thread i'm in

[fvl306 0]

I don't think having TE's separate from WR's really adds anything to a fantasy football leauge.

 

There's usually 5 or 6 worth drafting in mid-rounds, and then you might as well just pull a name out of a hat in the second to last round (save the last round for your kicker).

 

It does add a strategic element during the draft...do you take a TE early and pass up quality RB's and WR's? But you could probably accomplish that by adding fantasy punters.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

I've noticed a few people mention swamp dog as being a bad egg.... haven't seen him post anything odd yet, but i'm fairly new here so i'll keep waiting to see one in a thread i'm in

 

Way off topic here, but try any NFC N thread (currently a Swamp self imposed ban on a bet from Packer threads).

 

But, back on topic. I just like trying to adjust scoring to make all positions as close as possible and have minimal draft position requirements. It makes drafting more of an art than just saying you have to draft this and that. And, to justify requirements by saying that a TE is required is wrong. When people say things that are wrong, I will point them out. Nothing personal.

[Ras66not99 0]

Way off topic here, but try any NFC N thread (currently a Swamp self imposed ban on a bet from Packer threads).

 

But, back on topic. I just like trying to adjust scoring to make all positions as close as possible and have minimal draft position requirements. It makes drafting more of an art than just saying you have to draft this and that. And, to justify requirements by saying that a TE is required is wrong. When people say things that are wrong, I will point them out. Nothing personal.

 

Just don't like being involved in a sentence that has the word stupid in it, but It's all good

 

My fantasy mind is warped when it comes to drafting.... even though I can adapt to anything if given the rules of the league... I join a league or two just to draft and I adapt to the rules as I should.... But my mind is geared around my league and how I run it which is pure Dynasty including a full team defense (IDP's) and all NFL positions (sorry all listed ones ) well minus the fullbacks/punters & O-lineman of course

[BringBackBernie 0]

Way off topic here, but try any NFC N thread (currently a Swamp self imposed ban on a bet from Packer threads).

 

But, back on topic. I just like trying to adjust scoring to make all positions as close as possible and have minimal draft position requirements. It makes drafting more of an art than just saying you have to draft this and that. And, to justify requirements by saying that a TE is required is wrong. When people say things that are wrong, I will point them out. Nothing personal.

 

Fair enough. Drafting a fantasy football team is not an art.

[VivaFletcher 0]

Is there a TE in football ???? Simple Answer = YES...... Fantasy Football should be like the NFL in my opinion (though u can't have O-Lineman obviously) but every other position should be givin love..... IDP's should be a big part off FFL as well as offensive positions....I know a lot of leagues don't use IDP's and that's a shame and a waste.... and as for not having a TE ??? that's 100 times more weak ...

 

 

If fantasy football should be like the NFL...who's the starting FB on your fantasy team?

 

The more people try to make fantasy football just like real football, the lamer the game becomes. We're supposed to tweak it to make the game more fun for us, not try to pretend it's the real NFL. If they like having three WRs, nothing wrong with that. If you think there are a dozen TEs worth starting every week for your fantasy league, have at it. I think it's a boring position and I'm glad most of my leagues don't require it.

 

Fantasy football will never be anything like the real game. The sooner fantasy players accept this, the more fun they'll have playing it.

[Ras66not99 0]

If fantasy football should be like the NFL...who's the starting FB on your fantasy team?

 

The more people try to make fantasy football just like real football, the lamer the game becomes. We're supposed to tweak it to make the game more fun for us, not try to pretend it's the real NFL. If they like having three WRs, nothing wrong with that. If you think there are a dozen TEs worth starting every week for your fantasy league, have at it. I think it's a boring position and I'm glad most of my leagues don't require it.

 

Fantasy football will never be anything like the real game. The sooner fantasy players accept this, the more fun they'll have playing it.

 

Let me guess you're one of the guys that draft a team defense because "who cares about defensive guys" After all they're defensive guys ......

[akaoni 0]

First, I think it's clear that (outside of big money leagues) the main reason to play fantasy football is for the fun. If you like delving into the minutae of defensive players in an IDP league, great, go for it! If you really prefer to simplify the system and want a league that focuses on offense, with few position requirements, that's fine too. It's all about what you find the most fun. Choose the type of league you like and have fun. Maybe this is too obvious, but in the end that's the point.

 

Now as to the discussion at hand, I personally prefer leagues with more positional requirements. That is, no flex and TE required. My reasons are pretty simple. First, as mentioned above, requiring a TE increases strategic thinking on draft day. Not only do you have to factor in potential statistical performance for each position, you have to account for scarcity as well. Although the TE position is deeper this year, and has more production than it may have in the past, there are still fewer top TEs than there are teams in most leagues. This adds a lot to the draft and game throughout the season.

 

For instance, let's say that late in the third round, and you selected a Rudi for your first round pick and T.O. for your second. You were planning to pick up your 2nd RB at the end of the third, but RBs have gone faster than you thought, but on the positive side, both Chris Chambers and Antonio Gates have fallen to you. So what do you do, grab the top TE, a WR with #1 upside, or go with your original plan and grab a RB, even though the pickings are pretty slim? The answer here is not as important as the question. It's these type of choices that make the draft interesting, and in the end seperate champions from the rest of the competition. Without positional requirements, it's just best player available each time. For me, that's just not as much fun. Taken to it's logical extreme, why not just eliminate positional requirements and go pure roto?

 

In summation, I like the scarcity that positional requirements create. They make drafts more interesting, and also probably lead to more trades and waiver wire work, which is fun as well. So for me, I'll take the TE required league every day. If others prefer a different system, that's great, the more the merrier, for my part more positions make for a more enjoyable fantasy football experience.

[zhinz 0]

Yeah relaxed requirements are always better. The best and most realistic, in my opinion, would be to allow a total of 5 backs (which can be RB/WR/TE), with a maximum of 2 RBs. You can do 2/2/1, 2/3/0, 1/4/0 (run and shoot, baby!), 0/5/0 (empty backfield). Obviously 2/3/0 is probably the best, but let people start whatever they want.