League making me drop a RB.....

[Dan 66]

Yes, a cashier who steals is a thief, regardless of whether he is seen/caught or gets away scott-free. Along the same lines someone who speeds is a law breaker. Is that speeder any more or any less guilty than our poster here? Or is it more likely that amount of "wrongness" is assessed based on what the crime was? On the road, everybody speeds and rolls through an occassional stop sign. But in "your league", nobody is permitted to break the skirt/break/bend the rules else the iron hand of the commish falls. Again, does it make the speeder any less wrong? No. It's only cause you have the power to enforce your rules that you look down on the ffl guy more. Chances are you too are one of those occassional speeders/california-stop artists who knows you won't get caught most times. So although it may make you a good commish, it makes you a bit hypocritical if you break rules knowing they probably won't get enforced but condemn this gentleman for doing the same thing.

 

Now, to clarify, it wasn't just Fantasy Football that I was referring to, it's life in general. I find myself in agreement with enforcement of the rule which says no more than 4 RB on a roster. If you take that rule literally, then not only did he violate the rule, but he appears to have done so intentionally. As I mentioned regarding my similar situation, I did state that I was only "considering" it. I have not done so nor do I think I will do so. Right vs wrong, good vs bad, moral vs immoral isn't black and white, it's shades of grey, perception and public opinion to a large extent. However, rules are rules, and "no more than 4 RB" is fairly black and white and is slighly different than someone who has an injured player placing him on IR to pickup somebody else, even if that injury is grey area in itself.

 

 

Couple things .. .

 

1) I actually never addressed your IR situation, although I believe in the "spirit of the law." So go with that, and you'll know where I stand.

Incidentally, I confess that I am a "flow of traffic" speeder. My wife tells me I'm "Concrete Random" - I am - but I believe I'm keeping the spirit of the law. That said, when I'm pulled over, I don't turn and say the law is stupid and should be higher, so let me off. I tell him how fast I was going, and he makes his decision whether or not to ticket me. Do I intentionally speed? Yeah, in a manner of speaking. But I do not intentionally show disregard for others on the road and in a neighborhood, or create a hazardous situation, etc. For instance, I crawl through school zones, well below the speed limit. Am I a hypocrite? Perhaps, but I really don't think so. And you're pretty sharp, too. I think you see a distinct difference.

 

2) And somewhat connected, regarding life and rules and black and white with greys, etc. . . . probably a topic for the Geek Board, but I'm more than willing to get into that whenever. I'm probably more black and white, though. I don't believe right and wrong are determined by general consensus.

 

Rules however . . . are voted on and accepted.

[sabtoker 0]

Hey everyone

 

No flex spot on bench or as a starter...... We use CBS.... in the rules page, on the little boxes to the left, it says "RBs- 4 -MAX".........CBS lets me pick up the extra RB, but tells me I have an illegal roster.......Which i know and understand........and am certainly going to drop on before game time.......... but I beleive it means "4 max RBs" at the start of the first game of that week....... NOT never ever ever on your roster that you can have 4 RBs......just not during game time (after start of first game of week)

 

Commish now said he won't let me trade with anyone either while my roster is illegal

 

Do I think it is cheating .....NO

 

Do I think i'm more crafty of an owner and waiver wire manipulator for the past 4 years than anyone EVAH............ ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

 

As a matter of fact, I just bought myself unitl tomorrow morning at 9:30 to make the drop.......

 

I think its gonna be MBIII, only because of bye weeks right now...... (would love to see the latest news on D.Davis, C.Brown/T.Henry to help make up my mind).........MBIII and Jordan have a bye week 3 ...... SO week 3 starters =Caddy & Lundy OR C. Brown

 

SO, who should be dropped???? C. Brown or MBIII??

[OuttaLuck 0]

"SO the league rules say that you can have a max 4RB's on your roster....."

 

I can't believe the number of responses resulting from this post (yet here I am adding one... ). To me, it's very clear that you can't have 5 RB's on the roster at ANY time. Unless the definition of "roster" is somehow tortured beyond all bounds of reason to be interpreted as "opening game roster", then you cannot have more than 4 RB's at any time during the year, preseason or otherwise. A player is either on your roster or he's not, regardless of when the season starts. Having a player on your roster clearly mandates that you have the right to start, drop, or trade him, or otherwise exercise control over that player. If you can trade him or otherwise obtain a benefit from him, he's on your roster, and therefore you're limited to 4 RB's. Additionally, keeping other owners from claiming players (such as if you claim every undrafted player and then drop them all just before the start of the first game) clearly confers a benefit to you and requires that they be included on your roster.

[Michael Sieger 0]

Hey everyone

 

No flex spot on bench or as a starter...... We use CBS.... in the rules page, on the little boxes to the left, it says "RBs- 4 -MAX".........CBS lets me pick up the extra RB, but tells me I have an illegal roster.......Which i know and understand........and am certainly going to drop on before game time.......... but I beleive it means "4 max RBs" at the start of the first game of that week....... NOT never ever ever on your roster that you can have 4 RBs......just not during game time (after start of first game of week)

 

Commish now said he won't let me trade with anyone either while my roster is illegal

 

Do I think it is cheating .....NO

 

Do I think i'm more crafty of an owner and waiver wire manipulator for the past 4 years than anyone EVAH............ ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

 

As a matter of fact, I just bought myself unitl tomorrow morning at 9:30 to make the drop.......

 

We have a 4 RB roster limit in our league as well. I was strongly opposed to the rule when it was first proposed 6-7 years ago, but in retrospect I like it and I think it improves the league and adds some very difficult roster strategy decisions during the season (keeper league with no IR). I would attribute any perceived vagueness in the rule to your desire to strain the obvious interpretation of the rule to fit your needs. Do you really think the rule would be served if you could hang on to 5 RB's until gameday in this case? If you could hoard illegal RB's until gametime, it would obvioulsy defeat the purpose of the rule as those players would be on waivers and could not be picked up on gameday. The same can be said if you were allowed to trade one of the RB's for a different position player. I think your commish handled it correctly - give you a reasonable amount of time to figure out who your going to drop to make your roster legal.

[itsbigmoni 1]

Since you dont have to submit your roster til week 1 i dont think its right to be forced to drop a player. Its not cheating imo. I think he's smart to pick up a few questionable players and hopefully one pans out before thursday. And if someone wants to hoard all of the RB's or WR then they are putting themselves in a situation where they can get screwed. But as they say, higher the risk, higher the reward. If someone is a risk taker and another person isn't, and i think a majority of the people in here aren't risk takers, then its just different strategies. But the rule states that it must be by the first wek of the season. No where does it say when the commish notices it, 2 weeks before, when you pick a player the commish wanted. It says by the start of the season.

[OB1 33]

Hey everyone

 

No flex spot on bench or as a starter...... We use CBS.... in the rules page, on the little boxes to the left, it says "RBs- 4 -MAX".........CBS lets me pick up the extra RB, but tells me I have an illegal roster.......Which i know and understand........and am certainly going to drop on before game time.......... but I beleive it means "4 max RBs" at the start of the first game of that week....... NOT never ever ever on your roster that you can have 4 RBs......just not during game time (after start of first game of week)

 

Commish now said he won't let me trade with anyone either while my roster is illegal

 

Do I think it is cheating .....NO

 

Do I think i'm more crafty of an owner and waiver wire manipulator for the past 4 years than anyone EVAH............ ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

 

As a matter of fact, I just bought myself unitl tomorrow morning at 9:30 to make the drop.......

 

I think its gonna be MBIII, only because of bye weeks right now...... (would love to see the latest news on D.Davis, C.Brown/T.Henry to help make up my mind).........MBIII and Jordan have a bye week 3 ...... SO week 3 starters =Caddy & Lundy OR C. Brown

 

SO, who should be dropped???? C. Brown or MBIII??

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[OuttaLuck 0]

Since you dont have to submit your roster til week 1 i dont think its right to be forced to drop a player. Its not cheating imo. I think he's smart to pick up a few questionable players and hopefully one pans out before thursday. And if someone wants to hoard all of the RB's or WR then they are putting themselves in a situation where they can get screwed. But as they say, higher the risk, higher the reward. If someone is a risk taker and another person isn't, and i think a majority of the people in here aren't risk takers, then its just different strategies. But the rule states that it must be by the first wek of the season. No where does it say when the commish notices it, 2 weeks before, when you pick a player the commish wanted. It says by the start of the season.

 

How can you trade or control a player who is not on your roster? And if a 5th RB is on the roster, how does that not violate the league rule? Please enlighten me. If he has the right to control a player, and the right to keep him and start him if he so chooses, then that player is on his roster. Under your interpretation, even aside from the issue of being able to trade or control numerous players and thereby obtain an unwarranted advantage, I could have 17 RB's from whom to choose for the opening game--I'd just have to drop 13 of them right before the game starts. That sounds a little weak to me.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Couple things .. .

 

1) I actually never addressed your IR situation, although I believe in the "spirit of the law." So go with that, and you'll know where I stand.

Incidentally, I confess that I am a "flow of traffic" speeder. My wife tells me I'm "Concrete Random" - I am - but I believe I'm keeping the spirit of the law. That said, when I'm pulled over, I don't turn and say the law is stupid and should be higher, so let me off. I tell him how fast I was going, and he makes his decision whether or not to ticket me. Do I intentionally speed? Yeah, in a manner of speaking. But I do not intentionally show disregard for others on the road and in a neighborhood, or create a hazardous situation, etc. For instance, I crawl through school zones, well below the speed limit. Am I a hypocrite? Perhaps, but I really don't think so. And you're pretty sharp, too. I think you see a distinct difference.

 

2) And somewhat connected, regarding life and rules and black and white with greys, etc. . . . probably a topic for the Geek Board, but I'm more than willing to get into that whenever. I'm probably more black and white, though. I don't believe right and wrong are determined by general consensus.

 

Rules however . . . are voted on and accepted.

 

Nah, the bored has taken enough of my time. I was a nice chat anyway, can't say I disagree with either you or OB1 too much. :-)

[wild_and_crazy_guy 5]

In most leagues, you simply need to have a legal roster and legal line-up by the first kickoff. If you don't, then you forfeit. If your commish believes that the rule is to have a legal line-up by the end of each day, then that should be spelled out in the rules somewhere.

[UPS 0]

SO the league rules say that you can have a max 4RB's on your roster.....

 

I drafted 11th fo 12.... I have Caddy, LaMont, C. Brown and MB III....

 

I picked up Lundy today and dropped my 2nd kicker.......

 

CBS says that I have an illegal roster.... which is fine, as long as it is legal by the start of the first game.....

 

Commish calls me up and says, "he doesn't care what CBS says/does.....and that I must have my roster legal and down to 4 RB by 5:00 PM today or I forfeit my first game."

 

Rather than blow this up into a big argument .... I guess I am gonna dropa RB.....

 

Between C. Brown, MB III and Lundy..... I'm leanig towards MBIII....

 

Someone change mind mind????

 

 

Soory for the screw up.

 

Im in a CBS gold league with live draft and it says nothing about too many players in one position. Only that you must have a leagal line up by game time. Screw the commish!

[llano 0]

Those backing this guy up are being ridiculous.

 

The league rules say only 4 RBs on a roster. He violated the rules, TODAY, when he added a 5th RB (5>4). I have no idea why Commish didn't just correct the situation on his own -- maybe their website limits the ability of the Commish to do that. It is as clear as day that this guy violated his league rules TODAY and the situation needs to be corrected.

 

Other bozos -- under your theory, people could just pick up endless FA RBs and WRs until the season begins (or each week after waivers for that matter) and then select amongst them in time to set their rosters. Response that "league roster size would prevent that from happening" is flawed. The 4RB rule is a roster rule. If you can violate that one willy-nilly, why can't you violate the total team roster size? Response that "computer won't let you" is stupid. Rules don't say "league rules only apply if our website enforces them automatically." Rules are rules and if you decide to play in a league, then you need to abide by the rules. Anyone understand the word "honor" in honor system.

 

My league just instituted a 4RB limit. As an unabased RB hoarder from years past (though all completely within league rules), I hate the new rule. However, it is the rule this year and I will follow it until I convince enough other league members to overturn it.

[OuttaLuck 0]

In most leagues, you simply need to have a legal roster and legal line-up by the first kickoff. If you don't, then you forfeit. If your commish believes that the rule is to have a legal line-up by the end of each day, then that should be spelled out in the rules somewhere.

 

His league rules specify a maximum of 4 RB's on his ROSTER--what does a "legal line-up by the first kickoff" have to do with his roster??

[dalie 2]

DROP BROWN......MBIII is goning to get a load acoording to Parcels and he will get more as the season goes on, Brown will fizzle.

[itsbigmoni 1]

How can you trade or control a player who is not on your roster? And if a 5th RB is on the roster, how does that not violate the league rule? Please enlighten me. If he has the right to control a player, and the right to keep him and start him if he so chooses, then that player is on his roster. Under your interpretation, even aside from the issue of being able to trade or control numerous players and thereby obtain an unwarranted advantage, I could have 17 RB's from whom to choose for the opening game--I'd just have to drop 13 of them right before the game starts. That sounds a little weak to me.

 

 

If you want to have 17 RB's and no other position, you will lose every game. The 13 players will be on WW and you will not have any of those RB. You will be left with WW trash to fill out your roster for the next week. And the rule says by game time. Like people above me have also state, not at the end of each day. Many people manipulate their roster leading up to the season, and obvoiusly during the season also. The rule states you must have a legal roster by week 1. BY WEEK 1. It does not state that you have to have a legal roster from the time of the draft. If thats how they wanted the rules they could have EASILY said you must have a legal roster after the draft. Or they could have EASILY said you may never have more than 4 rb's on your roster. That is not any more difficult to write than you must have a legal roster by week 1. They understand people might want to stock up on a few players, coaches wait to name startes, injuries happen the last game. IMO, they INTENTIONALY said by week 1 for a reason.

 

Those backing this guy up are being ridiculous.

 

The league rules say only 4 RBs on a roster. He violated the rules, TODAY, when he added a 5th RB (5>4). I have no idea why Commish didn't just correct the situation on his own -- maybe their website limits the ability of the Commish to do that. It is as clear as day that this guy violated his league rules TODAY and the situation needs to be corrected.

 

Other bozos -- under your theory, people could just pick up endless FA RBs and WRs until the season begins (or each week after waivers for that matter) and then select amongst them in time to set their rosters. Response that "league roster size would prevent that from happening" is flawed. The 4RB rule is a roster rule. If you can violate that one willy-nilly, why can't you violate the total team roster size? Response that "computer won't let you" is stupid. Rules don't say "league rules only apply if our website enforces them automatically." Rules are rules and if you decide to play in a league, then you need to abide by the rules. Anyone understand the word "honor" in honor system.

 

My league just instituted a 4RB limit. As an unabased RB hoarder from years past (though all completely within league rules), I hate the new rule. However, it is the rule this year and I will follow it until I convince enough other league members to overturn it.

 

People are forgetting this is pre-season. And yes, if you want you hsould be able to pick 10 WR and 10 RB and start the best 3. But then have fun winning games with no other players. Thats why no one does it. You can't win that way.

 

"His league rules specify a maximum of 4 RB's on his ROSTER--what does a "legal line-up by the first kickoff" have to do with his roster??"

 

If you read what he said "CBS says that I have an illegal roster.... which is fine, as long as it is legal by the start of the first game..... "

 

CBS said is illegal roster is fine as long as its legal by week 1. It's PRESEASON. And my guess is that once the season starts you wont be able to have 5 rb's on your roster. So that make the whole why shouldnt i just take 15 rb argument moot. It doesn't say by gametiem, it says by week 1. He knows he has to drop a player, but his argument is why cant he wait till week 1. Why does the commish have the power to say he must drop him today. Once the season starts he can not have 5 rb's. So please stop with all those why cant i load up on one position and drop the rest before game time.

[UPS 0]

I am in a CBS Gold League with a live draft and the rules state:

 

 

Please note that, throughout the season, your overall roster is not restricted to a specific number of players at each position. Once the draft is over, you can carry, in reserve, as many or as few players at each position as you like, as long as your overall roster does not exceed 14 players.

 

So screw the commish

[robzm19 6]

I do believe this team is better

QB kurt warner

QB matt leinart

RB The Edge

RB jj arrington

WR "Q"

WR "Fitz"

WR Bryant Johnson

WR LeRon McCoy

TE Leonard pope

TE Eric Edwards

K Do I even have to right his name he is the reason for the phrase "Stud Kicker"

DEF ARZ

 

I guarantee Arizona ff team will score way more points than 49ers.

 

12 Team $$ League

QB - Alex Smith

QB - Trent Dilfer

RB - Frank Gore

RB - Maurice Hicks

WR - Antonio Bryant

WR - Arnaz Battle

WR - Brandon Williams

WR - Brian Gilmore

TE - Eric Johnson

TE - Vernon Davis

K - Joe Nedney

DEF - 49ers

best one NFL team FF team....ever.

[SteamyPoo 0]

I say the commish is right. How is it fair that you can drop an extra kicker to hoard RBs until the season starts. A few decisions will be made between now and opening kickoff, so keeping them on your roster in waiting doesnt seem fair. You'd have potential starters in your lineup that others cant pick up even if they were willing to drop scrap RBs. Maybe you can drop an extra D too and pick up Cobbs off Denver just in case he wins the job...If you want Lundy now, too bad, you should have to drop MBIII.

[OuttaLuck 0]

"His league rules specify a maximum of 4 RB's on his ROSTER--what does a "legal line-up by the first kickoff" have to do with his roster??"

 

His league rule is a roster maximum of 4 RB'S!!!!! What is it about that rule that you cannot understand?? Are you really suggesting that he can have an unlimited number of RB's on his roster at any time, whether before the season begins or not?? We're talking about a league rule involving his ROSTER, NOT his line-up for the opening game or any on-line site requirements!! His league rule is a maximum of 4 RB's on his roster. He didn't comply with that rule. Again, and I'll try to convey this thought very simply, how can you even try to claim that a RB is not on your roster if you have the right to trade, start, or drop him??

 

I am in a CBS Gold League with a live draft and the rules state:

Please note that, throughout the season, your overall roster is not restricted to a specific number of players at each position. Once the draft is over, you can carry, in reserve, as many or as few players at each position as you like, as long as your overall roster does not exceed 14 players.

 

So screw the commish

 

He specifically stated his league rule is that he's limited to 4 RB's. Are you trying to substitute your league's rules for his?

[USGrant 0]

What a boring thread. You knew you were supposed to only have 4 backs and you took more. Not only that but at least two of the backs you are so concerned about seriously blow and it doesn't matter if you cut em. Pick one, axe him and think of a better topic next time.

[SmilenJack 0]

Chris Brown, he is in a RBBC and I can't stand his music. Let me see if you can Run It Run It

[gvn2fly 0]

So if the league allows a total of 18 roster spots, can you pick up an extra 100 or so free agents and put them on your squad until the first game of the season? Sure it is an illegal roster, but it is preseason, right?!?

 

Who cares what CBS says with the illegal lineup message, the rules of the league should be enforced regardless of CBS's error message. Yes, the commish should do everything possible to make sure the site doesn't allow rule circumventing, but it always falls back to the league rules.

 

If the rules don't explicitly state that the roster limits are only valid during the regular season, then you can't just assume you are allowed to violate the rules in the preseason. That is just plain

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

So if the league allows a total of 18 roster spots, can you pick up an extra 100 or so free agents and put them on your squad until the first game of the season? Sure it is an illegal roster, but it is preseason, right?!?

 

Who cares what CBS says with the illegal lineup message, the rules of the league should be enforced regardless of CBS's error message. Yes, the commish should do everything possible to make sure the site doesn't allow rule circumventing, but it always falls back to the league rules.

 

If the rules don't explicitly state that the roster limits are only valid during the regular season, then you can't just assume you are allowed to violate the rules in the preseason. That is just plain

 

sabtoker,

 

Again, you haven't answer some of the questions. If the rules says MAX - 4 RB, what is it about the rule you don't understand? If the rule says max 16 roster, why don't you add 100?

 

I'm disgusted reading this thread. It's official, i'm putting you on the skinny sh!tlist.

[JoeRedneck 3]

SO the league rules say that you can have a max 4RB's on your roster.....

 

I drafted 11th fo 12.... I have Caddy, LaMont, C. Brown and MB III....

 

I picked up Lundy today and dropped my 2nd kicker.......

 

CBS says that I have an illegal roster.... which is fine, as long as it is legal by the start of the first game.....

 

Commish calls me up and says, "he doesn't care what CBS says/does.....and that I must have my roster legal and down to 4 RB by 5:00 PM today or I forfeit my first game."

 

Rather than blow this up into a big argument .... I guess I am gonna dropa RB.....

 

Between C. Brown, MB III and Lundy..... I'm leanig towards MBIII....

 

Someone change mind mind????

 

I don't blame him at all.4 Rbs on your roster is 4 Rbs.Where do you get off thinking that keeping 5 until game time should be allowed?Not only are you breaking the rule,you are stoping other owners from picking up your droped player.

[sabtoker 0]

sabtoker,

 

Again, you haven't answer some of the questions. If the rules says MAX - 4 RB, what is it about the rule you don't understand? If the rule says max 16 roster, why don't you add 100?

 

I'm disgusted reading this thread. It's official, i'm putting you on the skinny sh!tlist.

 

 

 

 

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