Another question about religion?

[KSB2424 3,148]

You can question all you want to. But do it to find your own answers, not to discredit mine.

 

Eggsactly

[Sho Nuff 720]

It's a legit question, as are almost all questions related to religion.

 

But people take it so seriously..that intelligent debate is sometimes very hard.

 

And, quite honestly, you can beat it down in a number of ways, challenge everything about it, but it will all boil down to faith.

 

Either you have it or you dont..and you can't argue with someone thathas faith..but I sooo love to debate with them.

 

Intelligent debate is always very hard with edjr....HTH

 

 

Q: How do you make the masses of "1 BC" spread out across thousands of miles with no real set of laws and consequences behave and work towards the common goal of the empire.

 

A: Write a book telling them they're all going to burn in hell if they don't

 

You sheep don't need The Bible to scare you into behaving anymore. We have these guys called "police officers" that will bust a cap in your ass instead.

 

 

Ahh...the sheep argument came out...what a shocker....

 

 

See again....this is usually the argument. Yes EDjr might have come off as a little "snippy" about it but the argument is always "you are not religious, you don't believe in god, therefore you are a pathetic person" blah blah blah while NEVER offering up anything of substance to support the case.

 

Faith is faith, I respect that. But questioning something is a quality we have and should be allowed to pursue. While I would never call a religious person a name, I would expect the same treatment.

 

just because I want some proof god exists shouldn't make me a bad person ya know.

 

He did not call someone pathetic for not believing...the argument is that those who belittle those who do believe is pathetic.

 

For some reason, it really bothers many non-believers that people believe in God or a higher power. So much so that twits like edjr start threads like this.

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

For some reason, it really bothers many non-believers that people believe in God or a higher power.

 

There are also many non-believers that chose to let other believe whatever they want to believe. I am a non-believer, and it bothers me that edjr starts these threads without any intelligent theories, or anything NEW to offer. It's the same argument over and over and over.

If he were to offer something of substance, I might see where he's coming from. But belittling those that do believe and using comparisons of Santa and the Easter Bunny to that of God, as noted earlier, there is NO logic in that whatsoever, and really offers nothing.

[mjj 0]

Not only can "proof" not be given, but no "proof" would be accepted either.

 

Personally, I don't believe Antarctica exists. Sure, some 'whackos' have claimed to have been there and it's written about as fact in some textbooks, but that's crazy. I've seen some good Photoshop pictures where the gov't wants us to believe it's there. Yeah, right! I'm sure there's some 'white frozen land' at the bottom of the earth! lol! Not gonna get me there.

 

There's no way you can convince me that Antactica exists. I can shoot down every supposed proof. In fact, I'll bet most of you haven't been there either. What a coincidence! You believe solely based on faith! Maybe the only actual way for me to prove it to myself is to actually go there.

 

Maybe the only way to prove that God exists is to go there yourself and see what happens. Stop expecting and wanting others to prove it for you, especially when no proof will suffice anyway.

[Sho Nuff 720]

There are also many non-believers that chose to let other believe whatever they want to believe. I am a non-believer, and it bothers me that edjr starts these threads without any intelligent theories, or anything NEW to offer. It's the same argument over and over and over.

If he were to offer something of substance, I might see where he's coming from. But belittling those that do believe and using comparisons of Santa and the Easter Bunny to that of God, as noted earlier, there is NO logic in that whatsoever, and really offers nothing.

 

I have no problem with those who chose not to believe. I noted in a similar thread not too long ago, that some that do not believe complain about those who do pushing their faith on them. It seems on this board it is more often the other way around...those who do not believe, trying to push that down the throats of those that do...

 

But edjr has never been confused with logic.

[edjr 6,580]

Not only can "proof" not be given, but no "proof" would be accepted either.

 

Personally, I don't believe Antarctica exists. Sure, some 'whackos' have claimed to have been there and it's written about as fact in some textbooks, but that's crazy. I've seen some good Photoshop pictures where the gov't wants us to believe it's there. Yeah, right! I'm sure there's some 'white frozen land' at the bottom of the earth! lol! Not gonna get me there.

 

There's no way you can convince me that Antactica exists. I can shoot down every supposed proof. In fact, I'll bet most of you haven't been there either. What a coincidence! You believe solely based on faith! Maybe the only actual way for me to prove it to myself is to actually go there.

 

Maybe the only way to prove that God exists is to go there yourself and see what happens. Stop expecting and wanting others to prove it for you, especially when no proof will suffice anyway.

 

MJJ my new best friend.

[mobb_deep 920]

For some reason, it really bothers many non-believers that people believe in God or a higher power. So much so that twits like edjr start threads like this.

 

I think it would be safe to assume that "believers" are the ones generally pushing their beliefs on "non-believers". Non-believers don't pass out pamphlets or read scriptures in the subway terminals. Non-believers don't buy up air time to preach their message every sunday. Non-believers don't erect huge gothical structures so they can all go hang out and not believe together.

 

We have religion pushed down our throats every hour of every day. Our president pushes his religious beliefs on all the citizens of America. Even our national anthems and pledge of allegiance feed us religion.

 

You "believers" are the ones who think you're better then we are. You choose to discount the mountains of scientifical data available to you in the 21st century and instead choose "faith". You choose to discount the piles of bones belonging to early man found every year (not to mentions those Dinosaurs the bible makes no mention of). You turn your cheek to the evidence of life existing on other planets and galaxies. You don't bother reading any scientific journals, and discount all the advances made regarding black holes and their links to the "big bang" theory. But you're all holier than thou and I'm going to "burn in hell" for choosing education over blind faith.

 

Evertything that you god fearing conservatives preach is fundamentally flawed. You talk about edjr being out of line for his personal attacks yet almost every one of you has called him a "twit" or an "idiot". You preach that everybody deserves life yet you "pray for our troops" as they're over seas murdering and being murdered. You preach a childs right to live and abortion is murder, yet almost unanimously support the death penalty. All you guys do is talk yourself in circles until you get dizzy and pass out.

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

Non-believers don't erect huge gothical structures so they can all go hang out and not believe together.

 

No, we just dance at midnight, nekkid around a bonfire.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think it would be safe to assume that "believers" are the ones generally pushing their beliefs on "non-believers". Non-believers don't pass out pamphlets or read scriptures in the subway terminals. Non-believers don't buy up air time to preach their message every sunday. Non-believers don't erect huge gothical structures so they can all go hang out and not believe together.

 

We have religion pushed down our throats every hour of every day. Our president pushes his religious beliefs on all the citizens of America. Even our national anthems and pledge of allegiance feed us religion.

 

You "believers" are the ones who think you're better then we are. You choose to discount the mountains of scientifical data available to you in the 21st century and instead choose "faith". You choose to discount the piles of bones belonging to early man found every year (not to mentions those Dinosaurs the bible makes no mention of). You turn your cheek to the evidence of life existing on other planets and galaxies. You don't bother reading any scientific journals, and discount all the advances made regarding black holes and their links to the "big bang" theory. But you're all holier than thou and I'm going to "burn in hell" for choosing education over blind faith.

 

Evertything that you god fearing conservatives preach is fundamentally flawed. You talk about edjr being out of line for his personal attacks yet almost every one of you has called him a "twit" or an "idiot". You preach that everybody deserves life and abortion is wrong yet you "pray for our troops" as they're over see's murdering and being murdered. You preach a childs right to live and abortion is murder, yet almost unanimously support the death penalty. All you guys do is talk yourself in circles until you get dizzy and pass out.

 

Not on this board. For a country where believer's outnumber non-believers, this board certainly does not appear to be a representation of that. Look at this thread...people like you constantly blasting those who believe...just as edjr does.

Believers building churches is pushing it down your throat? Do you even listen to yourself?

 

Instead...you stereotype some believers with all when you speak like that...notice I said some non-believers...never all...never would all lump all people together with ignorant intolerant bigots like you and edjr.

 

Edjr is out of line...he is called a twit or an idiot for blasting people solely because they believe...that kind of behavior is that of a twit or an idiot.

I preach what? Funny, I would like to believe a child has the right to live...and abhor the concept of abortion...and hate that it is a necessary evil at times and support the government staying out of it actually. I believe that the death penatly is barbaric and not a deterrent to crime.

 

Perhaps you should quit stereotyping and overgeneralizing...if you do not want to be lumped in with the twits and idiots...thus far...your actual words have shown you deserve to be called names like that though.

[Toro 1]

I think it would be safe to assume that "believers" are the ones generally pushing their beliefs on "non-believers". Non-believers don't pass out pamphlets or read scriptures in the subway terminals.

 

You mean people don't stand there trying to say nothing? What are you going to do, stand there and say "I don't believe in God and you are an idiot if you do"?

 

Non-believers don't buy up air time to preach their message every sunday. Non-believers don't erect huge gothical structures so they can all go hang out and not believe together.

 

This analogy doesn't work. Churches bring together people that believe in a common set of beliefs and morals in a religious setting to discuss religion. What you described is actually everywhere else EXCEPT church. People go to a football stadium to watch a football game because they are interested in the football game. What's the difference between that and religious people gathering to discuss religion or your NAMBLA meetings?

 

We have religion pushed down our throats every hour of every day. Our president pushes his religious beliefs on all the citizens of America. Even our national anthems and pledge of allegiance feed us religion.

 

How does "Under God" constitute belief being shoved down your throat? A majority of Americans believe in God. You are in the minority. Deal with it. If you don't like it, don't say it.

 

You "believers" are the ones who think you're better then we are. You choose to discount the mountains of scientifical data available to you in the 21st century and instead choose "faith". You choose to discount the piles of bones belonging to early man found every year (not to mentions those Dinosaurs the bible makes no mention of). You turn your cheek to the evidence of life existing on other planets and galaxies. You don't bother reading any scientific journals, and discount all the advances made regarding black holes and their links to the "big bang" theory. But you're all holier than thou and I'm going to "burn in hell" for choosing education over blind faith.

 

Who the fock are you talking about? Creationists?

 

Evertything that you god fearing conservatives preach is fundamentally flawed. You talk about edjr being out of line for his personal attacks yet almost every one of you has called him a "twit" or an "idiot". You preach that everybody deserves life yet you "pray for our troops" as they're over see's murdering and being murdered. You preach a childs right to live and abortion is murder, yet almost unanimously support the death penalty. All you guys do is talk yourself in circles until you get dizzy and pass out.

 

He is an idiot.

I pray for everyone, even you.

Unborn children have not killed other innocent humans. Big Difference.

[mobb_deep 920]

Not on this board. For a country where believer's outnumber non-believers, this board certainly does not appear to be a representation of that. Look at this thread...people like you constantly blasting those who believe...just as edjr does.

Believers building churches is pushing it down your throat? Do you even listen to yourself?

 

Instead...you stereotype some believers with all when you speak like that...notice I said some non-believers...never all...never would all lump all people together with ignorant intolerant bigots like you and edjr.

 

Edjr is out of line...he is called a twit or an idiot for blasting people solely because they believe...that kind of behavior is that of a twit or an idiot.

I preach what? Funny, I would like to believe a child has the right to live...and abhor the concept of abortion...and hate that it is a necessary evil at times and support the government staying out of it actually. I believe that the death penatly is barbaric and not a deterrent to crime.

 

Perhaps you should quit stereotyping and overgeneralizing...if you do not want to be lumped in with the twits and idiots...thus far...your actual words have shown you deserve to be called names like that though.

 

Ofcourse I'm speaking in generalizations man. I'd think someone of your vast vocabulary and mental prowess could differentiate between the two. Nothing is black/white, true/false when speaking about a huge population of people. Using an assumption that I wasn't obviously generalizing is just what you're using as a front to avoid the issues. Instead of knit picking my entire post for what any idiot could figure out were generalizations, try to come up with some proof of why god exists. Why are there bones of giant animals in the ground that the bible makes no mention of. If god created life and man why did he forget to mention about these aliens that keep flying over our planet. How did James Hartle and Stephen Hawking provide a mathematical rationalization for the entire universe popping into existence at the beginning of time using a vacuum fluctuation model? Have you even read any of his or other scientists work relating to black holes and the big bang theory?

 

I'm glad that you're able to atleast make the connection between the death penalty and abortion. I think we both know that you're in the minority when it comes to this issue though. The vast majority of your fellow christians support the death penalty while opposing abortion.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Why is it no one believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny after they're intelligent enough to know better, but still believe in God?

it's called faith - HTH.

[edjr 6,580]

I think it would be safe to assume that "believers" are the ones generally pushing their beliefs on "non-believers". Non-believers don't pass out pamphlets or read scriptures in the subway terminals. Non-believers don't buy up air time to preach their message every sunday. Non-believers don't erect huge gothical structures so they can all go hang out and not believe together.

 

We have religion pushed down our throats every hour of every day. Our president pushes his religious beliefs on all the citizens of America. Even our national anthems and pledge of allegiance feed us religion.

 

You "believers" are the ones who think you're better then we are. You choose to discount the mountains of scientifical data available to you in the 21st century and instead choose "faith". You choose to discount the piles of bones belonging to early man found every year (not to mentions those Dinosaurs the bible makes no mention of). You turn your cheek to the evidence of life existing on other planets and galaxies. You don't bother reading any scientific journals, and discount all the advances made regarding black holes and their links to the "big bang" theory. But you're all holier than thou and I'm going to "burn in hell" for choosing education over blind faith.

 

Evertything that you god fearing conservatives preach is fundamentally flawed. You talk about edjr being out of line for his personal attacks yet almost every one of you has called him a "twit" or an "idiot". You preach that everybody deserves life yet you "pray for our troops" as they're over seas murdering and being murdered. You preach a childs right to live and abortion is murder, yet almost unanimously support the death penalty. All you guys do is talk yourself in circles until you get dizzy and pass out.

 

 

WOW. I couldn't have said it any better.

 

[mobb_deep 920]

I pray for everyone, even you.

Unborn children have not killed other innocent humans. Big Difference.

 

Killing people is wrong, period. Your bible even says so.

[edjr 6,580]

Not on this board. For a country where believer's outnumber non-believers, this board certainly does not appear to be a representation of that. Look at this thread...people like you constantly blasting those who believe...just as edjr does.

Believers building churches is pushing it down your throat? Do you even listen to yourself?

 

Instead...you stereotype some believers with all when you speak like that...notice I said some non-believers...never all...never would all lump all people together with ignorant intolerant bigots like you and edjr.

 

Edjr is out of line...he is called a twit or an idiot for blasting people solely because they believe...that kind of behavior is that of a twit or an idiot.

I preach what? Funny, I would like to believe a child has the right to live...and abhor the concept of abortion...and hate that it is a necessary evil at times and support the government staying out of it actually. I believe that the death penatly is barbaric and not a deterrent to crime.

 

Perhaps you should quit stereotyping and overgeneralizing...if you do not want to be lumped in with the twits and idiots...thus far...your actual words have shown you deserve to be called names like that though.

 

When was the last time you saw an atheist in the airport handing out pamphlets or knocking on someones door to join their cult? That's right NEVER.

 

When have I blasted anyone? I just wanted to know why you stopped believing in Santa and the Easter Bunny, very religous things I might add, but you continue to believe in God? Because you're not smart enough to realize that is fake too. There I blasted you, happy?

[Toro 1]

How did James Hartle and Stephen Hawking provide a mathematical rationalization for the entire universe popping into existence at the beginning of time using a vacuum fluctuation model. Have you even read any of his or other scientists work relating to black holes and the big bang theory?

 

We know what the ‘big bang" was like, but can know that only as far back as 10-43 seconds after it took place. Anything before that very tiny moment of time cannot be accounted for with our present state of knowledge.

 

 

 

Killing people is wrong, period. Your bible even says so.

 

Link to where I said that I believed everything in the Bible?

 

That's what I thought, fockstick.

[edjr 6,580]

We know what the ‘big bang" was like, but can know that only as far back as 10-43 seconds after it took place. Anything before that very tiny moment of time cannot be accounted for with our present state of knowledge.

 

Link to where I said that I believed everything in the Bible?

 

That's what I thought, fockstick.

 

I'm sure you rest easy at night believing the invisible man in the sky had something to do with it?

 

We know what the ‘big bang" was like, but can know that only as far back as 10-43 seconds after it took place. Anything before that very tiny moment of time cannot be accounted for with our present state of knowledge.

 

Link to where I said that I believed everything in the Bible?

 

That's what I thought, fockstick.

 

Hypocracy much?

[Toro 1]

I'm sure you rest easy at night believing the invisible man in the sky had something to do with it?

Hypocracy much?

 

Believing in intelligent design does not mean I believe that there is a man in the sky that doesn't want me to eat pig.

 

What did I say that was hyprocracy?

[mobb_deep 920]

We know what the ‘big bang" was like, but can know that only as far back as 10-43 seconds after it took place. Anything before that very tiny moment of time cannot be accounted for with our present state of knowledge.

 

Link to where I said that I believed everything in the Bible?

 

That's what I thought, fockstick.

 

That's true, I'll give you that. I also thank you for speaking on solely the matter at hand and avoiding personal attacks. I love debating religion as it's a conversation that none of us will probably ever have an answer for. Science is our only hope and we're still a ways off from anything concrete. I just personally believe science provides more answers then faith currently does. However, I try not to devalue anyone who believes in god because that's their own life and right.

 

The only time I have a problem is when religion is pushed down my throat. My peers trying to "save me" from something they have no proof of. My president using his personal religious beliefs to influence his decisions in office. If we really had seperation of church and state alot less of us atheists would have a problem with christians.

[JMaximus12 0]

No, we just dance at midnight, nekkid around a bonfire.

 

now THATS a religion i could get into!!!

 

Evertything that you god fearing conservatives preach is fundamentally flawed. You talk about edjr being out of line for his personal attacks yet almost every one of you has called him a "twit" or an "idiot". You preach that everybody deserves life yet you "pray for our troops" as they're over seas murdering and being murdered. You preach a childs right to live and abortion is murder, yet almost unanimously support the death penalty. All you guys do is talk yourself in circles until you get dizzy and pass out.

 

listen to yourself...speaking in such generalities..."you God fearing conservatives"... do you classify and pigeon hole everyone you meet? is that how you see the world- there are liberals, and there are conservatives??? man, thats such a shallow viewpoint.

 

People can believe whatever they want to believe. Otherwise, we end with a totalitarian/ Socialist/ Taliban type state, where if anyones dares to think differently than their neighbor, they are ostracized, or worse.

 

Clearly you've never been in the military. what they are doing is NOT murder. I know you have a right to bash the military, but you lose a ton of credibility when you attack the very mouth that feeds you.

 

now, before you go pigeon-holing me into one of your categories, i am both pro-choice and pro-death penalty. i see them as two completely different issues, as most people do, unlike your general statement to the contrary.

 

i know you don't represent the viewpoint of everyone on the "left". just like most "God fearing conservatives" don't support the view of everyone on the right. But before you go bashing others for name calling, check yourself at the door first. your opinion will be a lot more respected, before you slide into the name calling and generalizations.

 

and your comment about the National Anthem having religious references in it couldn't be more off base. you tell me the line(s) in there where religious references are made.

 

oh yeah- 1 last thing. I'm not one of the "God Fearing Conservatives" you so cavalierly like to spit venom at, but i do respect the rights of those who want to believe, to believe. What harm does it have? does it hurt you? no. EVERYONE believes in something greater than themselves. not saying a God-like presence, but everyone believes in something. you are fooling yourself if you say you don't.

[Toro 1]

That's true, I'll give you that. I also thank you for speaking on solely the matter at hand and avoiding personal attacks. I love debating religion as it's a conversation that none of us will probably ever have an answer for. Science is our only hope and we're still a ways off from anything concrete. I just personally believe science provides more answers then faith currently does. However, I try not to devalue anyone who believes in god because that's their own life and right.

 

Thank you. I can debate anything you want me to, but I need to be able to explain my position without being lumped into the bible-thumping category automatically.

 

The only time I have a problem is when religion is pushed down my throat. My peers trying to "save me" from something they have no proof of. My president using his personal religious beliefs to influence his decisions in office. If we really had seperation of church and state alot less of us atheists would have a problem with christians.

 

You simply tell your peers you are not interested. It's not that hard. Did one of your friends ever want you to do something that you didn't want to do? How did you not do it? People speaking to each others about their personal beliefs is what humans do. That being said, I can't stand people who won't take no for an answer. If someone wants to talk to mne about religion or whatever, I'll talk. If they don't, no big deal. I never preach or ask people if I can talk to them about Jesus.

 

As for the president, he is a religious man that was elected. Congress passing laws based on morals that can be construed as religious in origin is not the same as the gav't telling you that you can only be of this religion. Seperation of church and state has to do with forcing people to perform religious acts or mandating a gov't sponsored or preferred religion. Having a religious leader is not the same. Once again, if you do not like the current things that are happening, contact your representatives and make your voice known.

[mobb_deep 920]

now THATS a religion i could get into!!!

listen to yourself...speaking in such generalities..."you God fearing conservatives"... do you classify and pigeon hole everyone you meet? is that how you see the world- there are liberals, and there are conservatives??? man, thats such a shallow viewpoint.

 

People can believe whatever they want to believe. Otherwise, we end with a totalitarian/ Socialist/ Taliban type state, where if anyones dares to think differently than their neighbor, they are ostracized, or worse.

 

Clearly you've never been in the military. what they are doing is NOT murder. I know you have a right to bash the military, but you lose a ton of credibility when you attack the very mouth that feeds you.

 

now, before you go pigeon-holing me into one of your categories, i am both pro-choice and pro-death penalty. i see them as two completely different issues, as most people do, unlike your general statement to the contrary.

 

i know you don't represent the viewpoint of everyone on the "left". just like most "God fearing conservatives" don't support the view of everyone on the right. But before you go bashing others for name calling, check yourself at the door first. your opinion will be a lot more respected, before you slide into the name calling and generalizations.

 

and your comment about the National Anthem having religious references in it couldn't be more off base. you tell me the line(s) in there where religious references are made.

 

oh yeah- 1 last thing. I'm not one of the "God Fearing Conservatives" you so cavalierly like to spit venom at, but i do respect the rights of those who want to believe, to believe. What harm does it have? does it hurt you? no. EVERYONE believes in something greater than themselves. not saying a God-like presence, but everyone believes in something. you are fooling yourself if you say you don't.

 

Is it beyond you to assume most conversations are just generalizations. Anytime you're talking about countries, followers, races, etc the only thing you can do is generalize. Nothing is concrete unless you break everything down to singular form.

 

BTW... You lost me after that first sentence so I respectfully tl;dr.

[Strike 5,535]

All the "believers" would laugh their arses off is anyone said they still believed in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny based on faith. What a bunch of hypocrites

[Toro 1]

All the "believers" would laugh their arses off is anyone said they still believed in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny based on faith. What a bunch of hypocrites

 

If you can't differentiate the concept of intelligent design and the easter bunny....

[edjr 6,580]

now THATS a religion i could get into!!!

listen to yourself...speaking in such generalities..."you God fearing conservatives"... do you classify and pigeon hole everyone you meet? is that how you see the world- there are liberals, and there are conservatives??? man, thats such a shallow viewpoint.

 

People can believe whatever they want to believe. Otherwise, we end with a totalitarian/ Socialist/ Taliban type state, where if anyones dares to think differently than their neighbor, they are ostracized, or worse.

 

Clearly you've never been in the military. what they are doing is NOT murder. I know you have a right to bash the military, but you lose a ton of credibility when you attack the very mouth that feeds you.

 

now, before you go pigeon-holing me into one of your categories, i am both pro-choice and pro-death penalty. i see them as two completely different issues, as most people do, unlike your general statement to the contrary.

 

i know you don't represent the viewpoint of everyone on the "left". just like most "God fearing conservatives" don't support the view of everyone on the right. But before you go bashing others for name calling, check yourself at the door first. your opinion will be a lot more respected, before you slide into the name calling and generalizations.

 

and your comment about the National Anthem having religious references in it couldn't be more off base. you tell me the line(s) in there where religious references are made.

 

oh yeah- 1 last thing. I'm not one of the "God Fearing Conservatives" you so cavalierly like to spit venom at, but i do respect the rights of those who want to believe, to believe. What harm does it have? does it hurt you? no. EVERYONE believes in something greater than themselves. not saying a God-like presence, but everyone believes in something. you are fooling yourself if you say you don't.

 

Doesn't the military say something like "family, god, unit, gun, boyfriend" yeah, they don't force religion down anyone's throat

 

 

If you can't differentiate the concept of intelligent design and the easter bunny....

 

"intelligent design" such as the writing of the bible?

 

I still believe in Santa, it's my faith. You can't take that away from me and you can't prove he's not real.

[Toro 1]

"intelligent design" such as the writing of the bible?

 

I still believe in Santa, it's my faith. You can't take that away from me and you can't prove he's not real.

 

No. Intelligent design as in the creation of the universe happening in a way other than "just appearing". The Bible is used for religious purposes but is not the end-all when it comes to theories about the origin of the universe. The quiker you understand this simple concept, the easier it will be for you to have an intelligent conversation with a person that believes in a higher power or creator.

 

As for your belief in Santa, I am proud that you believe in him. At least you believe in something.

[Strike 5,535]

No. Intelligent design as in the creation of the universe happening in a way other than "just appearing". The Bible is used for religious purposes but is not the end-all when it comes to theories about the origin of the universe. The quiker you understand this simple concept, the easier it will be for you to have an intelligent conversation with a person that believes in a higher power or creator.

 

As for your belief in Santa, I am proud that you believe in him. At least you believe in something.

 

It's common knowledge that ID is just another term for creationism that the religous freaks are using to try to get creationism taught in schools. It's funny when you freaks try to pretend it's not though.

[mobb_deep 920]

No. Intelligent design as in the creation of the universe happening in a way other than "just appearing". The Bible is used for religious purposes but is not the end-all when it comes to theories about the origin of the universe. The quiker you understand this simple concept, the easier it will be for you to have an intelligent conversation with a person that believes in a higher power or creator.

 

As for your belief in Santa, I am proud that you believe in him. At least you believe in something.

 

you called me a fockstick and I was being nice to you.

 

BURN IN HELL DAMN YOU

 

Good point above though. The two must be differentiated

[Toro 1]

It's common knowledge that ID is just another term for creationism that the religous freaks are using to try to get creationism taught in schools. It's funny when you freaks try to pretend it's not though.

 

It's common knowledge that ignorant atheists tend to toss ID in with Creationists with hopes that they too will be seen as extremists.

 

[mobb_deep 920]

I think one point that's being missed here is The Bible was written almost entirely by people who never even knew Jesus. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy were all written about 1,000 years before the birth of Jesus. Most of the other books in the Old Testament were written sometime between 500 and 1000 BC. Most of the books in the New Testament were written between 50 and 100 years after the death of Jesus (some over 200). Almost all the people who wrote the books did not actually know Jesus. They were just gypsies who wrote down different versions/interpretations of the same story they had heard somewhere in their travels. That's why when you read The Bible it's pretty obvious that almost all books of the New Testament tie into one another and repeat the same stories with small changes. I don't think anybody denies the fact that jesus lived and the bible is second hand accounts of his life and teachings. I think where the water starts getting muddy is when people take The Bible verbatim. The Bible has been abridged, edited, and translated so many times that we really have no idea what the original Bible said or what books were in it. Many words have multiple meanings in different languages. In addition, words not originally literary can take on that form during translation. IMO The Bible is just a general handbook on how to live your life, and how to treat others. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Toro 1]

All of the books in the New Testament were written between 50 and 100 years after the death of Jesus. Almost all the people who wrote the books did not actually know Jesus. ... That's why when you read the bible it's pretty obvious that almost all books of the New Testament tie into one another and repeat the same stories with small changes.

 

There has been extensive research done on the autheticity of the gospels. I can point out several books that detail the research that has been done. My search for the truth in Christianity points directly to the authenticity of the gospels and the independent documentation of what happened to Jesus disciples after they wrote the accounts.

 

Here is an example:

http://www.themoorings.org/apologetics/Gospels/relia3.html

 

The Bible has been abridged, edited, and translated so many times that we really have no idea what the original Bible said or what books were in it.

 

I can agree with this.

[JMaximus12 0]

Doesn't the military say something like "family, god, unit, gun, boyfriend" yeah, they don't force religion down anyone's throat

 

they actually don't force religion down anyone's throat. i was in the military, and never once was forced to recite any religious text, attend any religious events, or anything. Sure, religion is a part of the military, as it is with just about everywhere on Earth. But its not forced at all. the typical creedo is "Duty, Honor, Country", not the crap you wrote.

 

But hey, thanks for contributing. You really know how to make an argument based on ignorance!

[PackerAttacker 0]

I find myself somewhere in the middle here. I by no means interpret the bible word for word. Im all for evolution, life on other planets etc etc.

 

I find myself questioning the "Adam and Eve" theory for obvious reasons... I dont need to details I dont think.

 

I find myself question a lot of the science as well. The idea of the big bang makes sense. Where I dont agree is where at the very beginning... there was "Nothing". Or effectively nothing. There was matter sorrounded by nothingness. Then it exploded yada yada (extremely simplified version). Its that entire idea of nothing that gets me. I have a hard time believing 'nothing' can exist. By definition nothing is always something. <I just re-read this and it makes no sense but its hard to put into words>

 

Also, string theory is just ridiculous. Seriously, that is worse than santa claus. There are trillions of other dimensions and time periods where every single combination of events has occured. There are countless dimensions where Im nailing Eva Longoria. Im not buying it. But science people buy it because steven hawking said it and there is no test to disprove it.

 

My point here is nobody knows. There is a leap of Faith whether you choose the science route or the religious route. There is no 100% proof either way.

[edjr 6,580]

the typical creedo is "Duty, Honor, Country",

 

 

You bore me

 

and that's just boy scouts.

[jerryskids 6,790]

We have religion pushed down our throats every hour of every day. Our president pushes his religious beliefs on all the citizens of America.

Others have addressed the rest of your comments; I'll just add that there is a difference between a president being influenced by his religious beliefs in his policies, and having "religion pushed down our throats." Opposition to abortion for instance is certainly a position of the conservative right, but there are plenty of atheists (I presume) who also oppose abortion. Nobody is making you go to church or do anything to show your belief in a religion.

[edjr 6,580]

I find myself somewhere in the middle here. I by no means interpret the bible word for word. Im all for evolution, life on other planets etc etc.

 

I find myself questioning the "Adam and Eve" theory for obvious reasons... I dont need to details I dont think.

 

I find myself question a lot of the science as well. The idea of the big bang makes sense. Where I dont agree is where at the very beginning... there was "Nothing". Or effectively nothing. There was matter sorrounded by nothingness. Then it exploded yada yada (extremely simplified version). Its that entire idea of nothing that gets me. I have a hard time believing 'nothing' can exist. By definition nothing is always something. <I just re-read this and it makes no sense but its hard to put into words>

 

Also, string theory is just ridiculous. Seriously, that is worse than santa claus. There are trillions of other dimensions and time periods where every single combination of events has occured. There are countless dimensions where Im nailing Eva Longoria. Im not buying it. But science people buy it because steven hawking said it and there is no test to disprove it.

 

My point here is nobody knows. There is a leap of Faith whether you choose the science route or the religious route. There is no 100% proof either way.

 

I'd believe in Scientology with Tom Cruise as my god, because I'd believe in anything christian or catholic.

 

 

Others have addressed the rest of your comments; I'll just add that there is a difference between a president being influenced by his religious beliefs in his policies, and having "religion pushed down our throats." Opposition to abortion for instance is certainly a position of the conservative right, but there are plenty of atheists (I presume) who also oppose abortion. Nobody is making you go to church or do anything to show your belief in a religion.

 

George Bush ending his speeches with "god bless you" "god bless america" or saying "god bless the troops" who the fock is he trying to kid? What is the troops aren't religious? Is that not being pushed down out throats? Who the fock is he to say who needs to be blessed and by whom?

[Snuff 10]

This is comical. People don't want religion shoved down their throat? Ok, so don't focking let them. Someone comes to your door pushing his/her religious ideas? Close the focking door. If they hound you outside of your home, say you're not focking interested. I don't see what the big deal is here. Other than another moronic fishing trip from edjr to help his post count.

[jerryskids 6,790]

George Bush ending his speeches with "god bless you" "god bless america" or saying "god bless the troops" who the fock is he trying to kid? What is the troops aren't religious? Is that not being pushed down out throats? Who the fock is he to say who needs to be blessed and by whom?

Bush is not the first nor will he be the last president who says such things. I can only conclude that you didn't read a word I said, or are just continuing your fishing trip.

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

didn't read a word I said, or are just continuing your fishing trip.

 

I would gather that he didn't read it AND is just phishing.

[Toro 1]

I would gather that he didn't read it AND is just phishing.

 

He is posing as my bank and trying to obtain my account information?