Reggie Bush

[neworleansff2003 0]

sucks.

 

[DBZFan2K 0]

I disagree. I think he's a pretty valuable handcuff for Deuce McAllister owners.

[NewbieJr 541]

I think he's one of the best two-yards-per carry backs in league history.

 

Definitely a case of the player not living up to the hype.

[zaurg 0]

Seems about right to me for a rookie RB #2 on depth chart

 

22 touches - 119 yds

14 touches - 73 yds

17 touches - 72 yds

15 touches - 70 yds

(not counting punt returns)

 

1 fumble, 0 td

 

fantasy rb rank #31

[Monochrome 0]

He's just like Larwence Maroney- a bad, ESPN created version that is.

 

By the way, did you know of all the great work he's doing in New Orleans- heard it somewhere.

[Nikethemutt 0]

He's just one reconstructed knee away from being the starter.

 

His production has been going down, but he is the definite 3rd Qtr workhorse. And I didn't expect him to have a career day against Carolina's DE anyway.

[NewbieJr 541]

I think what we've learned, so far, is that Bush is effective in a Dante Hall-like role. Due to his speed, he's very dangerous when he catches little swing passes out of the backfield.

We've also learned that he is not a good pro-set running back. I don't know if he's had one good carry from the backfield all season.

There is no denying that he is a great decoy. His presence on the field opens things up for his teammates, who seem very preoccupied with where Bush is lined up.

 

As far as him being one knee injury away freom starting, I have a feeling that we'd see a lot of Aaron Stecker if Duece went out. Bush would keep the role he has now.

[mtammen 0]

Seems about right to me for a rookie RB #2 on depth chart

 

22 touches - 119 yds

14 touches - 73 yds

17 touches - 72 yds

15 touches - 70 yds

(not counting punt returns)

 

1 fumble, 0 td

 

fantasy rb rank #31

 

All that matters to the Saints is that they are 3-1, way ahead of projections. Bush is VERY valuable to them. I can't see them having 2 wins without Bush. They don't give a rats ass about making him a fantasy star. Sorry for those fools who thought a number 2 RB would put up good numbers.

[Exit 160 0]

the guy gets 5-10 carries a game. what do you expect. He still puts up a decent amount of Fantasy points considering he gets allot of balls thrown to him. He would fill the shoes of DM nicely if he was to get hurt

 

sucks.

 

[RoadLizard 73]

He is a reincarnated Dave Meggett and thats about it. I saw this coming and so did many other people...like the Texans front office? Hmmm....

 

As always, blasting through chicken-ass college defenses does NOT a great player make. I have this feeling that Reggie will be a scatback type runner. He got stuffed at the goal-line against the Falcons in their blowout Monday night game.

 

Hey, its all good, the Saints got themselves a great all around player that can break one, but he will NEVER be a top, consistent RB even if McAlister does go down.

[mtammen 0]

He is a reincarnated Dave Meggett and thats about it. I saw this coming and so did many other people...like the Texans front office? Hmmm....

 

As always, blasting through chicken-ass college defenses does NOT a great player make. I have this feeling that Reggie will be a scatback type runner. He got stuffed at the goal-line against the Falcons in their blowout Monday night game.

 

Hey, its all good, the Saints got themselves a great all around player that can break one, but he will NEVER be a top, consistent RB even if McAlister does go down.

 

After 4 games you are giving up on him? Unreal.

 

The guy has a freak like skill set and you are throwing in the towel after 4 weeks of being the #2 RB, wow.

 

Quit overeacting. Saints are 3-1 this year, when many predected they would be the stomping mat of the division. Bush is having a big impact on the team, just not in a fantasy sense.

[16 and 33 0]

I saw this coming and so did many other people...like the Texans front office?

 

 

 

 

 

 

As the saying goes, great minds think alike.

[RoadLizard 73]

After 4 games you are giving up on him? Unreal.

 

The guy has a freak like skill set and you are throwing in the towel after 4 weeks of being the #2 RB, wow.

 

Quit overeacting. Saints are 3-1 this year, when many predected they would be the stomping mat of the division. Bush is having a big impact on the team, just not in a fantasy sense.

 

No, Im not giving up on him...I never was sold in the first place. Scatback, kick returner, nice kid..thats about it.

 

We'll see in like 6 years when hes playing for his 4th team returning kicks and punts.

[NewbieJr 541]

Is anyone here old enough to remember Johnny Rodgers?

[rtcr 0]

It all depends on the type of offense his team runs. Bush would equal Westbrook in an Eagles type offense.

[BradtheBold 0]

I saw this coming and so did many other people...like the Texans front office? Hmmm....

 

Yep the guys in the Texans front office are real geniuses look how far they've taken the franchise so far...

[The Moz 69]

Duece is really playing great - thats what has really hurt Bush ! Bush would be a great back if he got 20 - 25 carries a game . It is tough to do something when youre lucky to get 10 carries

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yep the guys in the Texans front office are real geniuses look how far they've taken the franchise so far...

 

You will have to excuse RoadLizard...he is an idiot.

 

Ask him about dome vs. outdoor stadiums...that will really make you

[Dont_Fook_Wit_me 0]

All that matters to the Saints is that they are 3-1, way ahead of projections. Bush is VERY valuable to them. I can't see them having 2 wins without Bush. They don't give a rats ass about making him a fantasy star. Sorry for those fools who thought a number 2 RB would put up good numbers.

 

U watch......give it 2-3 more weeks maby even less this guy is going to explode!, i think he could overtake duces jobwith 1-2 good starts and he will get them

[neworleansff2003 0]

he needs proper coaching......its week 4 and hes still running backwards on punt returns.

 

Make him a KICK returner and a SLASH. He will never be a #1 back, too small, that should be painfully obvious now.

[itsbigmoni 1]

I'll say it again, when are we just gonna pin a topic about bush because every week there are 2-3 new topics about him. Aside from that, Reggie Bush cracks me up. Well not so much him, but peoples opinions on him. I dont understand why there is so much animosity towards him. So many people keep saying he's going to be a bust and they say it like its fact. No prediction is fact. I'm guessing people just hate on him so much because he's had so much hype coming out of college.

 

I just want to try to point out some stupid arguments.

 

He did that against college defesnes!!! Well no shiz, but what other player has looked that good against college defenses. Everybody understands he ran all over college D's but its very rare a player can do what he did against college D's.

 

He' going to be a bust. How can you say this after 4 games in his rookie year. He has shown flashes of greatness and he has shown he tries to do too much fancy stuff and then ends up losing yards.

 

He'll never have the size to be a NFL #1 RB. Everyone else has done it enough so i dont need to list the size of Brian Westbrook, Barry Sanders, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, Natron Means, and the countless others who are somewhat close in his size. Anybody who works out knows you get that man muscle when you're about 21-24. Go look at shaq highlights when he was with orlando, he was running the floor and cathcing alley-hoops. If you look at college clips of justa bout any player you'll see they look skinny.

 

I just wish people would keep saying he's going to be a bust like its fact. You can't call anyone a bust 4 games into their rookie year. Especialy when he has been producing the way he has. I hear a lot of people saying texans making the right choice by passin on him for mario, i say i'd rather have Maroney over Mario any day. There are about 5-6 rookies i'd rather have then Mario. Offenses dont plan on how to stop mario. They dont slide protectoin his way for most of the game. The other Rookie DE has been more effective.

[Big_Pete 0]

I predicted Kijana Carter type numbers for Bush. He is better that him so far, but for how long? I would think that Bush has a better chance with blowing an ACL than deuce at this point seeing how much he cuts back. He's hard on his knees, and if not this year, then definatly next year he'll try to pack on muscle for size, and all that bulk, combined with his juking will shred a knee. Or maybe ala Carter an Achilies

[itsbigmoni 1]

Some people can put on muscle better than others. Brian Urlacher was a saftey in college but had to transform into a LB for the pro game. He's said himself that when he was putting on weight he expected to be a lil bit slower but it amazed him that he lost no speed or quickness. Hopefully bush can do something similar to where he can put on some weight without sacrificing speed and quickness. He just looks so fast on those swing passes and blows right by every LB cause they tend to take bad angles. I'm hoping he can become a great player because who doesn't want to see an exciting player every weekend.

[lagarzlebrew 0]

4 games into his first season and people are already writing him off. Wow. Up to this point, he has looked like a decent change of pace player, but how can anyone say he is going to be Dave Meggett with any certainty?

[NewbieJr 541]

4 games into his first season and people are already writing him off. Wow. Up to this point, he has looked like a decent change of pace player, but how can anyone say he is going to be Dave Meggett with any certainty?

I agree that it is much too early to write him off.

He does need to realize that pulling that reverse your field and run backwards crap won't work in the NFL. This isn't Stanford you're playing, anymore.

His speed is everything that was advertised. Even if he never gains the power to be an excellent every down back, he's already proven that he's effective as a pass catcher out of the backfield. He causes terrible mismatches for linebackers and even safeties.

 

I'm not sure that packing on a bunch of muscle would benefit Bush. His strength is his quickness. Add fifteen pounds and he may lose a bit of that.

 

Right now, he looks like he's a little bit Brian Westbrook and a little bit Dante Hall.

He isn't as good as Westbrook as a runner, and not as good as Hall as a return man, but he is as much of a challenge for defenses as Hall, as he presents such matchup problems.

[RoadLizard 73]

You will have to excuse RoadLizard...he is an idiot.

 

Ask him about dome vs. outdoor stadiums...that will really make you rolleyes.gif

 

Oh Ok Sho.... thanks for rectifying that.

 

Domed stadiums rule, only grumpy ass old farts like the outdoor games because they are one bad heartbeat away from a stroke and cant feel the cold and wind anyways. You probably like dial phones, carburetors, and 4:3 CRT TV's too huh?

 

Dont like seeing great players winning games huh? You prefer the weather wins the game for you.

 

I see.... whos the idiot?

 

[t.j 35]

After 4 games you are giving up on him? Unreal.

 

The guy has a freak like skill set and you are throwing in the towel after 4 weeks of being the #2 RB, wow.

 

Quit overeacting. Saints are 3-1 this year, when many predected they would be the stomping mat of the division. Bush is having a big impact on the team, just not in a fantasy sense.

 

Yes, way too much overreaction going on here. Anyone who was expecting him to be a great FF back this year should have known better. I suspect these are the people doing most of the complaining.

 

He's splitting time with a great back, and the Saints' offensive line sucks. It doesn't help when your tendency is to dance in the backfield, I agree, but there are a lot of backs out there getting an open lane for the first 3-4 yards on a consistent basis, and Bush isn't one of them right now. The New Orleans offense is still a work in progress and Bush is still adjusting to the NFL game. If he hasn't changed his tendencies a year from now, then I will be worried. The guy has great athletic ability, great skills, and a great work ethic, his time will come.

[BradtheBold 0]

Oh Ok Sho.... thanks for rectifying that.

 

Domed stadiums rule, only grumpy ass old farts like the outdoor games because they are one bad heartbeat away from a stroke and cant feel the cold and wind anyways. You probably like dial phones, carburetors, and 4:3 CRT TV's too huh?

 

Dont like seeing great players winning games huh? You prefer the weather wins the game for you.

 

I see.... whos the idiot?

 

 

Yep Sho Nuff, you were right on the money. This blather deserves nothing but a .

[Big_Pete 0]

A safety adding pounds and converting to a LB is a bit different than a RB who is already hard on his knees with how much he cuts and runs around is different. I just think that he'll blow his ACL later this year or early next year. After that, who knows. I still think for the draft position/money/hype, he'll be very much so an under performer for his career. I want to say a bust, but he wont be (if you determine a bust to be a Ryan Leaf or Charles Rodgers). I've said this from day 1. Like someone said earlier, I"m not already writing him off, I never was sold on him!

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

I was defnitely one of the one's hyping Reggie. Here's my honest opinion of him thus far:

 

I maintained that he would have great value in PPR league's. Well he has only been medicre in PPR's but I am concerned about curtailed production in the last few games. 5.75 receptions is more than I was asking for, and I said I wanted him to average 80 yards (from scrimmage) a game. So far he is right on that pace (@ 83.5 YPG).

 

 

That being said, I'll eat some Hekyll and Jekyll and say he hasn't been nearly as good as I hoped he would be. I really think that Payton needs to stop trying to create plays for Reggie in space. His best runs have honestly been straight up the middle (contrary to what someone else stated), and his best production s been as a WR running normal WR routes. On his good runs... he simply hit the hole hard, found a small crease... did a couple of side-steps and didn't try to get to the outside. I thikn he is trying to be a little too creative, and so is Reggie. Just play ball.

 

Most of all, I am disappointed that he hasn't found the endzone. I think that he and Payton are trying to do too much.

[Hoos 0]

he needs proper coaching......its week 4 and hes still running backwards on punt returns.

 

Make him a KICK returner and a SLASH. He will never be a #1 back, too small, that should be painfully obvious now.

 

Lessee....

 

Reggie Bush 5-11/203

 

Emitt Smith 5-10/216

 

Gale Sayers 6-0/199

 

Barry Sanders 5-8/200

 

Walter Payton 5-10/202

 

Ladainian Tomlinson 5-10/221

 

Frank Gore 5-9/212

 

Clinton Portis 5-11/212

 

Tiki Barber 5-10/200

 

Julius Jones 5-10/211

 

and so forth.

 

Obvioulsy, I cherry-picked guys around Bush's size. Alexander, Brown, and Jackson are all in the 230 range so I guess you would consider them the prototypical, durable, NFL backs. The only point I'm trying to make is that there have been great backs of Reggie's size. I guess the next argument is that Sayers, Payton et al played when the defensive players were a little smaller.

 

Many of the backs in the Greatest Ever arguments are between 5-10 and 6-2 and usually 220 or under. If the kid can put on 5-10 lbs of muscle while maintaining his quicks my bet is that he reach that status someday. Guess will see.

[rebooters 1]

Lessee....

 

Reggie Bush 5-11/203

 

Emitt Smith 5-10/216

 

Gale Sayers 6-0/199

 

Barry Sanders 5-8/200

 

Walter Payton 5-10/202

 

Ladainian Tomlinson 5-10/221

 

Frank Gore 5-9/212

 

Clinton Portis 5-11/212

 

Tiki Barber 5-10/200

 

Julius Jones 5-10/211

 

and so forth.

 

Obvioulsy, I cherry-picked guys around Bush's size. Alexander, Brown, and Jackson are all in the 230 range so I guess you would consider them the prototypical, durable, NFL backs. The only point I'm trying to make is that there have been great backs of Reggie's size. I guess the next argument is that Sayers, Payton et al played when the defensive players were a little smaller.

 

Many of the backs in the Greatest Ever arguments are between 5-10 and 6-2 and usually 220 or under. If the kid can put on 5-10 lbs of muscle while maintaining his quicks my bet is that he reach that status someday. Guess will see.

[djteknokid 0]

He will be RBBC..

 

all i remember is.... 4th and 2 USC up by 4 (5).. with 3 minutes to go.

 

WHo comes in?

WHITE.. not BUSH.. explain that.

[BMoney 0]

and despite the slow rookie numbers...teams have had to plan around him..thats a lot of respect for a rookie...

 

if he couldve snuck in quietly like colston and others..he would have better numbers...

 

and not every player in the league has the ability to break it every time they touch the ball...he does..you cant teach that IT factor that he..barry sanders and others have....

 

they will ose yards trying to create..but if they are good enough to make up for the risk, and they have been..the reward is worth it..

[mtammen 0]

Anybody remember that reverse the Saints ran on MNF?? That is his impact right there without getting any numbers. All of the Falcons players had to go get Reggie so he couldn't get to the corner and bam, there is henderson for the easy score.

[Hoos 0]

He will be RBBC..

 

all i remember is.... 4th and 2 USC up by 4 (5).. with 3 minutes to go.

 

WHo comes in?

WHITE.. not BUSH.. explain that.

 

And how'd that work out for USC?

[redtodd 7]

I think it is still early.

[Wildman 0]

Is anyone here old enough to remember Johnny Rodgers?

 

I am and I don't agree with the comparison. I think if anything we could ask "does everyone have so short of a memory to forget Brian Westbrook or Tiki Barber and the doubts about them becoming every down backs?"

 

We'll find out. Considering LT averaged 3.6 ypc as a rookie should tell you that one season doesn't make a career. Bush showed enough on film as a pro to demonstrate he has the potential to be a good every down RB when he gets the opportunity.

 

He will be RBBC..

 

all i remember is.... 4th and 2 USC up by 4 (5).. with 3 minutes to go.

 

WHo comes in?

WHITE.. not BUSH.. explain that.

 

Well I remember a bit more. I also remember White getting stuffed in the championship game last year. I also remember White getting 4-5 yard gains on runs up the middle with huge holes and Bush getting 2-3 times that amount on the same runs but with less success from the blockers to open the lanes.