Gary Matthews Jr, = steriod user

[Guest Davaco]

he was implicated in this bust

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-s...p&type=lgns

 

 

this past season he was playing for a contract and posted:

 

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB

2006 31 TEX AL 147 620 102 194 44 6 19 79 10

 

 

not bad for someone who has a 162 game average of

 

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB

516 79 136 29 4 14 58 12

 

 

 

not bad for a 31 year old

[Jeremy 0]

I guess that would explain his sudden jump in numbers at the age of 31.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

It does not hurt that he played in Texas.

[Guest Davaco]

It does not hurt that he played in Texas.

 

true, but he played there for a couple seasons before last year. i guess he is like fine wine, he gets better with age

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

true, but he played there for a couple seasons before last year. i guess he is like fine wine, he gets better with age

 

Even 2005, he had an uptick in his power numbers. His average was low, but part of that is a maturation process in his hitting style as well.

 

I think that if you add 'roids and Texas 50% of the time, you get 19 HR's from even a "punch and Judy" hitter.

[cbfalcon 825]

Really, if you look at his stats, the only thing that jumped was his average. The rest of his numbers were on similar paces had he gotten as many at bats.

 

Then again, roids can help the avg I guess as well just by helping you hit the ball harder and possibly imporving bat speed.

[Rybo5 0]

Then again, roids can help the avg I guess as well just by helping you hit the ball harder and possibly imporving bat speed.

 

Recovery time is also a major short term benefit.

[Guest Davaco]

Really, if you look at his stats, the only thing that jumped was his average. The rest of his numbers were on similar paces had he gotten as many at bats.

 

Then again, roids can help the avg I guess as well just by helping you hit the ball harder and possibly imporving bat speed.

 

his doubles went through the roof as well (25 to 44), and this is at age 31

 

Even 2005, he had an uptick in his power numbers. His average was low, but part of that is a maturation process in his hitting style as well.

 

I think that if you add 'roids and Texas 50% of the time, you get 19 HR's from even a "punch and Judy" hitter.

 

he matured at 31?

 

in baseball, 27 is the peak

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

his doubles went through the roof as well (25 to 44), and this is at age 31

he matured at 31?

 

in baseball, 27 is the peak

 

 

You mean to tell me that the best hitters in baseball are all 27? Guys in baseball are hitting their prime at 31. They are smarter and understand that hitting the ball is as much mental as it is physical.

[GettnHuge 2]

 

You mean to tell me that the best hitters in baseball are all 27? Guys in baseball are hitting their prime at 31. They are smarter and understand that hitting the ball is as much mental as it is physical.

 

It is true, baseball stat nuts call it the age-27 phenomenon. It's considered many things, the start of a hitters prime, their breakout year,

and often their best year. Fantasy baseball sites often specifically list hitters who are 26-27-28.

 

some recent examples at age 27

A-rod 57hr 144rbi

manny 131runs 165rbi

abreu 31hr 110-118

Tejada 34hr 150rbi

bonds and soriano posted their best years at the time

johan santana turned 27 in 06

halladay-cy young

roy oswalt-20game winner

michael young-career highs

carlos lee-career highs

brandon inge-career highs

andruw jones

chone figgins

travis hafner

eric chavez

carlos beltran

 

list goes on

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

It is true, baseball stat nuts call it the age-27 phenomenon. It's considered many things, the start of a hitters prime, their breakout year,

and often their best year. Fantasy baseball sites often specifically list hitters who are 26-27-28.

 

some recent examples at age 27

A-rod 57hr 144rbi

manny 131runs 165rbi

abreu 31hr 110-118

Tejada 34hr 150rbi

bonds and soriano posted their best years at the time

johan santana turned 27 in 06

halladay-cy young

roy oswalt-20game winner

michael young-career highs

carlos lee-career highs

brandon inge-career highs

andruw jones

chone figgins

travis hafner

eric chavez

carlos beltran

 

list goes on

I don't have time for this drivel, but I am sure that I could find as many, if not more, guys putting up the same numbers or better when they were 28, 29, 30, 31, 32

 

The point is that Matthews was not a good hitter when he first came up. He moved to Texas which will help anyone's stats along with adding in some 'roids.

[IN$TANT REPAY 11]

I guess that would explain his sudden jump in numbers at the age of 31.

 

 

will there be a cry to remove his numbers from the baseball books? no

 

why? because his last name is not bonds.

 

 

what a messed up sport....with a sorry messed up commish.

[Guest Davaco]

 

You mean to tell me that the best hitters in baseball are all 27? Guys in baseball are hitting their prime at 31. They are smarter and understand that hitting the ball is as much mental as it is physical.

 

not players that suck their entire career and then have a career year in their contract year at 31. and throw in the fact he is a customer to the same on-line farmacy as Jose Canseco

 

 

that may be more than a coincidence

[GettnHuge 2]

I don't have time for this drivel, but I am sure that I could find as many, if not more, guys putting up the same numbers or better when they were 28, 29, 30, 31, 32

 

The point is that Matthews was not a good hitter when he first came up. He moved to Texas which will help anyone's stats along with adding in some 'roids.

 

I left off

ken griffey 56 homers 147rbi

todd helton 49 homers 146rbi

ichiro's best year

pedro martinez 23-4

nolan ryan's best year

eric gagne wins CY

tony gwynn's breakout year

albert belle

cecil fielder

ryan howard turned 27 at the end of last season

roger maris turned 27 just after hitting *61

richie sexson

pudge hit 35 homers

mo vaughn's breakout year

podsednik

 

 

wanna know what the best performers were at age 31 ALL TIME?

Jim Thome 52homers (only guy over 50)

Lou Gehrig 165rbi(he had 174 and 184 at ages 27-28)

Kiki Cuyler 155runs(one of the rare career years at age 31)

arlie latham 87sb(he had 129 at age 27)

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I left off

ken griffey 56 homers 147rbi

todd helton 49 homers 146rbi

ichiro's best year

pedro martinez 23-4

nolan ryan's best year

eric gagne wins CY

tony gwynn's breakout year

albert belle

cecil fielder

ryan howard turned 27 at the end of last season

roger maris turned 27 just after hitting *61

richie sexson

pudge hit 35 homers

mo vaughn's breakout year

podsednik

wanna know what the best performers were at age 31 ALL TIME?

Jim Thome 52homers (only guy over 50)

Lou Gehrig 165rbi(he had 174 and 184 at ages 27-28)

Kiki Cuyler 155runs(one of the rare career years at age 31)

arlie latham 87sb(he had 129 at age 27)

I understand the fantasy impact of targeting guys 26-27 because you are looking for breakout, value-based guys. Similar to a FF WR entering his 3rd season.

 

However, I took a quick look at the most recent HOF players and grabbed the age of their best season

 

HOF Age best year Notes

Gwynn 37 .372, 19 HR, 119 RBI

Ripken 31 .323, 34 HR, 114 RBI

Boggs 29 .363, 24 HR, 89 RBI

Sutter 31 45 saves, 1.54 ERA

Sandberg 31 .306, 40 HR, 100 RBI

Eckersley 38 MVP, 51 saves, 1.91 ERA

Molitor 37 breakout was really at age 30

Murray 27 from 24-29, he put up his best years

Carter 30 .294, 27 HR, 106 RBI

 

 

Sure looks like a guy can have his best year after 30 to me.

 

ETA: I am not sure if you guys are reading this correctly, but I also have stated several times that I think that he is doing 'roids. HTH

[GettnHuge 2]

I understand the fantasy impact of targeting guys 26-27 because you are looking for breakout, value-based guys. Similar to a FF WR entering his 3rd season.

 

However, I took a quick look at the most recent HOF players and grabbed the age of their best season

 

HOF Age best year Notes

Gwynn 37 .372, 19 HR, 119 RBI

Ripken 31 .323, 34 HR, 114 RBI

Boggs 29 .363, 24 HR, 89 RBI

Sutter 31 45 saves, 1.54 ERA

Sandberg 31 .306, 40 HR, 100 RBI

Eckersley 38 MVP, 51 saves, 1.91 ERA

Molitor 37 breakout was really at age 30

Murray 27 from 24-29, he put up his best years

Carter 30 .294, 27 HR, 106 RBI

 

 

Sure looks like a guy can have his best year after 30 to me.

 

So I've listed 32 players who were 26 going on 27 or 27 going on 28 who had great/breakout years.

I also looked up the best performers all-time at age 31 and they weren't exactly setting records.

but you list what looks like 4 players who had great years at age ~31 and you think your argument is stronger?

 

I'll add a few more recent age ~27 breakouts/studs

jason bay

sammy sosa

chase utley

david ortiz

larry walker

vinny castilla

rafael palmeiro

kenny lofton

bernie williams

jason giambi

reggie sanders

moises alou

jimmy rollins

[Guest Davaco]

 

 

However, I took a quick look at the most recent HOF players and grabbed the age of their best season

 

HOF Age best year Notes

Gwynn 37 .372, 19 HR, 119 RBI

Ripken 31 .323, 34 HR, 114 RBI

Boggs 29 .363, 24 HR, 89 RBI

Sutter 31 45 saves, 1.54 ERA

Sandberg 31 .306, 40 HR, 100 RBI

Eckersley 38 MVP, 51 saves, 1.91 ERA

Molitor 37 breakout was really at age 30

Murray 27 from 24-29, he put up his best years

Carter 30 .294, 27 HR, 106 RBI

 

 

Sure looks like a guy can have his best year after 30 to me.

 

 

 

yea but the point is, gary matthews was a bowel movement up until last year, which was a contact year, and now he has 50mil.

 

list me players that sucked their entire life, and had their career year at 31 and were clean

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

So I've listed 32 players who were 26 going on 27 or 27 going on 28 who had great/breakout years.

I also looked up the best performers all-time at age 31 and they weren't exactly setting records.

but you list what looks like 4 players who had great years at age ~31 and you think your argument is stronger?

 

I'll add a few more recent age ~27 breakouts/studs

jason bay

sammy sosa

chase utley

david ortiz

larry walker

vinny castilla

rafael palmeiro

kenny lofton

bernie williams

jason giambi

reggie sanders

moises alou

jimmy rollins

 

I listed the last several HOF because I only had a short time. I can see that you are trying to make up for quality with quantity and then put in one of these That is your SOP.

 

Again, I am not saying that guys don't break out at 27 (or sooner). I am saying that guys can absolutely have their best year after that period of time and I showed you proof of same.

[Guest Davaco]

I listed the last several HOF because I only had a short time. I can see that you are trying to make up for quality with quantity and then put in one of these That is your SOP.

 

Again, I am not saying that guys don't break out at 27 (or sooner). I am saying that guys can absolutely have their best year after that period of time and I showed you proof of same.

 

yea but the point is, gary matthews was a bowel movement up until last year, which was a contact year, and now he has 50mil.

 

list me players that sucked their entire life, and had their career year at 31 and were clean. not players that had good years at 31

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

yea but the point is, gary matthews was a bowel movement up until last year, which was a contact year, and now he has 50mil.

 

list me players that sucked their entire life, and had their career year at 31 and were clean

 

Asked and answered. I said that Mathews was doing 'roids. I can also say that he had a good season last year in Texas and that his contract is WAY overpriced. HTH

[Guest Davaco]

Asked and answered. I said that Mathews was doing 'roids. I can also say that he had a good season last year in Texas and that his contract is WAY overpriced. HTH

 

 

you answered nothing. list the players that were bowel movements up until 30-31, had a breakout year and were clean

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

you answered nothing. list the players that were bowel movements up until 30-31, had a breakout year and were clean

 

I am not going to waste my time at this point. I already said that I think Mathews was on 'roids, so half of your "argument" is stupid.

 

Later on, I will find you players that have had similar situations in their careers where they had a breakout season at 31. Bear in mind that we are not talking about a guy who had a MVP type of season and we are not talking about a guy who has started to string together several seasons of these stats. His stats may likely be also related to playing in Texas half of the time. Got it?

[GettnHuge 2]

I listed the last several HOF because I only had a short time. I can see that you are trying to make up for quality with quantity and then put in one of these That is your SOP.

 

Again, I am not saying that guys don't break out at 27 (or sooner). I am saying that guys can absolutely have their best year after that period of time and I showed you proof of same.

 

you said that "Guys in baseball are hitting their prime at 31"

 

that's a hard case to make when the all-time baseball stats put up at age 31 aren't even close to the best

 

Jim Thome 52homers (only guy over 50)

Lou Gehrig 165rbi(he had 174 and 184 at ages 27-28)

Kiki Cuyler 155runs(one of the rare career years at age 31)

arlie latham 87sb(he had 129 at age 27)

 

those are the most homers EVER for a 31 year old. jim freakin thome.

 

Top 25 runs scored seasons ever: only 5 were 31+

Top 25 RBI seasons ever: 6 were 31+

Top 25 Homerun seasons ever: only 8 were 31+ (and this is the one skewed by roids)

Top 25 Stolen Base seasons ever: only 3 were 31+

Top 25 Hits per season ever: only 4 were 31+

[Guest Davaco]

Got it?

 

nope

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

you said that "Guys in baseball are hitting their prime at 31"

 

that's a hard case to make when the all-time baseball stats put up at age 31 aren't even close to the best

 

Jim Thome 52homers (only guy over 50)

Lou Gehrig 165rbi(he had 174 and 184 at ages 27-28)

Kiki Cuyler 155runs(one of the rare career years at age 31)

arlie latham 87sb(he had 129 at age 27)

 

those are the most homers EVER for a 31 year old. jim freakin thome.

 

Top 25 runs scored seasons ever: only 5 were 31+

Top 25 RBI seasons ever: 6 were 31+

Top 25 Homerun seasons ever: only 8 were 31+ (and this is the one skewed by roids)

Top 25 Stolen Base seasons ever: only 3 were 31+

Top 25 Hits per season ever: only 4 were 31+

 

You win. This is the stupidest debate I have ever seen in my life, but thanks anyway.