So is Lynch now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick

[ROCKET 0]

I have the 1.01 and I can't see taking Peterson when he's in a rbbc with Chester Taylor. Plan B was CJ but now he's the 1a wr next to Roy Williams in Detroit. Lynch is the undisputed starter in Buffalo. Chances are I'm taking Lynch and not waiting for the Minny and Detroit situations to pan out. What a difference a day makes.

[VaTerp 0]

I could see Lynch going 1.01 in rookie drafts since Peterson is now in a RBBC. But if you considered Calvin before I dont see whats not to like about him in DET. Being in Martz offense with an established #1 WR to take on #1 CB's in Roy Williams is A LOT better than most of the other teams he could have gone to.

 

Tampa would have been a nice spot for him too but I think DET could be his best option from a FF perspective. Look at what Furrey was able to do last year.

[nobody 2,671]

I would go

 

CJ

Lynch

Perry

Bowe

Craig Davis

Meachum

John Beck

Russell

Quinn

Beck

Steve Smith

Dwayne Jarrett

[Vikings4ever 550]

Bush went into a RBBC last year (with a much more established RB, who has a much bigger contract), and he was still the concensus number 1.

[nobody 2,671]

CJ

Lynch

Brandon Jackson

Henry

Bowe

Craig Davis

Meachum

John Beck

Russell

Quinn

Beck

Steve Smith

Dwayne Jarrett

 

Changes in bold real time as the draft progresses for you people. Lorenzo Booker will probably get in there somewhere too.

[murf74 461]

CJ

[Vikings4ever 550]

CJ

Lynch

Brandon Jackson

Perry

Bowe

Craig Davis

Meachum

John Beck

Russell

Quinn

Beck

Steve Smith

Dwayne Jarrett

 

Changes in bold real time as the draft progresses for you people. Lorenzo Booker will probably get in there somewhere too.

I'm assuming you forgot AD in there.

[remote controller 143]

Lynch's situation is the best so far for sure, as far as rb's go.

[nobody 2,671]

I'm assuming you forgot AD in there.

 

 

Yeah. I meant to put him after Lynch.

[shake_a_leg 0]

Changes in bold real time as the draft progresses for you people. Lorenzo Booker will probably get in there somewhere too.

 

 

YOU PEOPLE?!?!? Excuse me while Al Sharpton jumps out of his seat.

 

Joking aside...do you really think that highly of Dwayne Bowe in the KC offense? I'm a Chefs fan, but given their history of fantasy WR production and the "who knows" factor with Trent Green, I think Jamarcus Russell will have a bigger fantasy impact next season and likely seasons to come....

[XToday 0]

You people are nuts if you think CJ in Detroit makes him the #1 pick...

 

It took the 2nd-highest passing attempts in the league to keep you from laughing at Detroit's passing game last year. Won't happen again, and there just isn't enough talent in Detroit for CJ to start his career impressively. Long-term is a different story.

 

Unless of course you expect WR3-4 numbers from your 1.1 pick. Then maybe he's worth it.

[t.j 35]

No way, you have got to go Peterson over Lynch. Better player, better o-line.

I see Peterson similar to Reggie Bush last year. Might not be the main guy but will be productive anyway, and you know he will get his chance to be the man eventually. Besides, say what you want about Anthony Thomas, but the Bills like the RBBC approach, Jauron has been talking about it all offseason.

[XToday 0]

No way, you have got to go Peterson over Lynch. Better player, better o-line.

I see Peterson similar to Reggie Bush last year. Might not be the main guy but will be productive anyway, and you know he will get his chance to be the man eventually. Besides, say what you want about Anthony Thomas, but the Bills like the RBBC approach, Jauron has been talking about it all offseason.

 

[VaTerp 0]

You people are nuts if you think CJ in Detroit makes him the #1 pick...

 

It took the 2nd-highest passing attempts in the league to keep you from laughing at Detroit's passing game last year. Won't happen again, and there just isn't enough talent in Detroit for CJ to start his career impressively. Long-term is a different story.

 

Unless of course you expect WR3-4 numbers from your 1.1 pick. Then maybe he's worth it.

 

I wouldnt take CJ or any WR #1 in a rookie draft either but I was commenting on the guy saying CJ was plan b UNTIL he went to DET.

 

I still think DET is a great situation for him from an FF perspective for even this year. I think theres enough offensive talent in Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, Tatum Bell, Furrey, and Kitna to give CJ opportunities for produciton. And yeah they had the 2nd highest passing attempts with Martz and a bad defense. Usually thats a good thing for FF Wr's.

[swamp dog 0]

keeper/dynasty league?

 

cj. lynch. peterson. value pick: michael bush.

 

i'm not sold on the other wrs at this point, although i like gonzalez as a better value in the long run than some of the other names being mentioned after cj.

[devildog 0]

No way, you have got to go Peterson over Lynch. Better player, better o-line.

I see Peterson similar to Reggie Bush last year. Might not be the main guy but will be productive anyway, and you know he will get his chance to be the man eventually. Besides, say what you want about Anthony Thomas, but the Bills like the RBBC approach, Jauron has been talking about it all offseason.

 

Reggie wasn't worth much as a runningback, it was as a receiver where he racked up the points. Not gonna happen with Peterson. Completely different situation.

 

You people are nuts if you think CJ in Detroit makes him the #1 pick...

 

It took the 2nd-highest passing attempts in the league to keep you from laughing at Detroit's passing game last year. Won't happen again, and there just isn't enough talent in Detroit for CJ to start his career impressively. Long-term is a different story.

 

Unless of course you expect WR3-4 numbers from your 1.1 pick. Then maybe he's worth it.

 

Furrey put up 1100 yards in that offense. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Reggie wasn't worth much as a runningback, it was as a receiver where he racked up the points. Not gonna happen with Peterson. Completely different situation.

Yeah, but even before the season started, Bush was still the concensus number 1 pick in dynasty drafts, even with Deuce on the team.

[t.j 35]

Yeah, but even before the season started, Bush was still the concensus number 1 pick in dynasty drafts, even with Deuce on the team.

 

Exactly, and it'll be the same deal with Peterson. Peterson might not have the same role as Bush, but Chester Taylor is no Deuce McAllister.

[swamp dog 0]

You people are nuts if you think CJ in Detroit makes him the #1 pick...

 

It took the 2nd-highest passing attempts in the league to keep you from laughing at Detroit's passing game last year. Won't happen again, and there just isn't enough talent in Detroit for CJ to start his career impressively. Long-term is a different story.

 

Unless of course you expect WR3-4 numbers from your 1.1 pick. Then maybe he's worth it.

 

detroit had two 1000-yard wrs last year. and since when is taking the second-highest passing attempts in the league suddenly a bad thing for a wr? this is a FANTASY FOOTBALL THREAD, not a FOOTBALL thread.

 

the best wr prospect in the last decade (that's what they say) has mike martz for a coach and is going to a team that had two 1000-yard wrs last year.

 

[XToday 0]

Mike Furrey was successful because the cornerback playing against him didn't know who he was. They thought he was the kicker or something, and went to cover someone else. Furrey then ran all over the field unchallenged. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

 

On a serious note, I doubt they're gonna put a rookie QB in there this season or next, behind an average offensive line, and expect him to throw 600 passes. You just don't do that unless you want to implode your rookie QB like Akili Smith.

 

Due to the mess that is Millen's Detroit (you have to say "Millen's Detroit" now) it's going to take 2 years, at least, for CJ to be anything more than a nice reserve fantasy WR. Long-term, he should be great.

 

But what do I know, Martz is a genius.

[nobody 2,671]

I think CJ is just the best of a bad rookie class.

[dreadlocks34 0]

I think CJ is just the best of a bad rookie class.

I hope your rankings on based on this season only. Even if the Vikings had not taken Peterson I would have said hands down in a dynasty he is number one no matter what type of other backs the team he went to had. In a dynasty setting he has to be number one without competition, even Lynch. Just my opinion.

[enjoi525 0]

Peterson may not get all the catches like Bush did last year, but Chester is a smaller back, so I expect Peterson to get the goalline carries.

[What is the deal? 1]

Mike Furrey was successful because the cornerback playing against him didn't know who he was. They thought he was the kicker or something, and went to cover someone else. Furrey then ran all over the field unchallenged. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

 

On a serious note, I doubt they're gonna put a rookie QB in there this season or next, behind an average offensive line, and expect him to throw 600 passes. You just don't do that unless you want to implode your rookie QB like Akili Smith.

 

Due to the mess that is Millen's Detroit (you have to say "Millen's Detroit" now) it's going to take 2 years, at least, for CJ to be anything more than a nice reserve fantasy WR. Long-term, he should be great.

 

But what do I know, Martz is a genius.

Last I checked they already produced 2 top 20 WR's last year, so I have no idea where your logic that CJ2 is a 2 years away...

 

Kitna is the QB. I also expect their OL to be better with the acquisition of Foster, healthy Woody who has lost weight, and addition of Mulitalo they should give up less sacks.

 

Orlovsky and/or Stanton won't be starting to 2008 at the earliest- so they won't be rookie QB's anymore...When talking about drafting Stantion, Millen made sure to mention that Orlovsky was on the roster as well- they just want good competition

 

Having said all that, I have pick 2, and have no clue what I am going to do at this point. I kind of want Peterson to fall to me, but Buffalo has completely retooled their OL as well and CJ2 is a once in a lifetime type of talent at WR. I would probably take CJ2 if my RB situation was more stable, but right now Morency is my #2. Hopefully Chris Brown will sign with a good situation so I can go CJ2

[Datathief 0]

Buffalo coaches touting RBBC.

 

Minny coaches practically ran Taylor into the ground last year.

 

Minny Oline more established.

 

AD a true workhorse type. Lynch more of a speed and receive type than a workhorse.

 

AD a hall of fame type prospect. Lynch simply a good one.

 

 

AD is the obvious choice. Only way lynch should be considered at 1.1 is if you in a PPR league. Even then, I'd still go AD.

[My_Dixie_Normus 0]

Buffalo coaches touting RBBC.

 

Minny coaches practically ran Taylor into the ground last year.

 

Minny Oline more established.

 

AD a true workhorse type. Lynch more of a speed and receive type than a workhorse.

 

AD a hall of fame type prospect. Lynch simply a good one.

AD is the obvious choice. Only way lynch should be considered at 1.1 is if you in a PPR league. Even then, I'd still go AD.

 

Yeah except when he is hurt. Great talent but not worth much on IR.

 

Peterson - Talented - Not the best situation - Injury prone.

Lynch - Talented - Better situation - healthy.

Johnson - Talented - Decent situation - healthy.

 

There is more than one strike against Peterson. 1-2 come down to Lynch and Johnson, IMO. If your league is PPR, it might be Johnson. But Lynch gets a slight edge only because he is a RB and Detroit's QB situation will be up in the air with Kitna and Stanton. Every lose will be met with a call to play Stanton. Kitna is going to be under a lot of pressure.

[slash 0]

I have the 1.01 and I can't see taking Peterson when he's in a rbbc with Chester Taylor. Plan B was CJ but now he's the 1a wr next to Roy Williams in Detroit. Lynch is the undisputed starter in Buffalo. Chances are I'm taking Lynch and not waiting for the Minny and Detroit situations to pan out. What a difference a day makes.

 

yea... ahhuhhh.. you do that matt millen.. ehem.. i mean rocket... ya ya.. he is the 1.01 pick.. yea. take him.. go for it

 

and for all the others that are sane, for your dynasty draft, you choose between russel/johnson/peterson.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Chester Taylor only averaged 4.0 yards per carry last year. Out of the top 10 rushers in the league, only Rudi Johnson had a worse ypc.

 

1 LaDainian Tomlinson 1815 yards; 5.2 yards per carry

2 Larry Johnson KC 1789; 4.3

3 Frank Gore SF 1695; 5.4

4 Tiki Barber NYG 1662; 5.1

5 Steven Jackson STL 1528; 4.4

6 Willie Parker PIT 1494; 4.4

7 Rudi Johnson CIN 1309; 3.8

8 Brian Westbrook PHI 1217; 5.1

9 Chester Taylor MIN 1216; 4.0

10 Travis Henry TEN 1211; 4.5

 

Also, out of the top 10 rushers, only Tiki Barber had less TDs.

 

Maybe Minny thinks Peterson can do better.

[Vikings4ever 550]

yea... ahhuhhh.. you do that matt millen.. ehem.. i mean rocket... ya ya.. he is the 1.01 pick.. yea. take him.. go for it

 

and for all the others that are sane, for your dynasty draft, you choose between russel/johnson/peterson.

You lost your credibility with that last part. No way in hell is Russell worth the first pick in a dynasty draft.

[nobody 2,671]

I hope your rankings on based on this season only. Even if the Vikings had not taken Peterson I would have said hands down in a dynasty he is number one no matter what type of other backs the team he went to had. In a dynasty setting he has to be number one without competition, even Lynch. Just my opinion.

My philosophy in a dynasty is that when you start building for next year, you will always be building for next year.

[ROCKET 0]

yea... ahhuhhh.. you do that matt millen.. ehem.. i mean rocket... ya ya.. he is the 1.01 pick.. yea. take him.. go for it

 

and for all the others that are sane, for your dynasty draft, you choose between russel/johnson/peterson.

 

 

Ok, you can have Russell at 1.02 you dumb arse. AD isn't a slam dunk like Bush, LT or other highly rated backs because of his injury history. If people want to ignore it then fine but it still exists. He's got the most talent without a doubt and the most upside. He also has the most risk out of the big 3 as well given the constant injuries he's battled thru college. I know most people will ignore it and go for the homerun but I won't be surprised to see them get burned.

 

AD isn't a sure fire LT type prospect. LT, Jackson etc. never had his nagging injury history. Two broken collarbones in a season along with a broken ankle before that isn't a good omen for durability. And I can hear the Frank Gore comments already. Modern medicine is great but Frank Gore wasn't taken with the first overall rookie pick. If AD hadn't had all his nagging injuries I'd be touting him too but smart people will not ignore that when making a decision. Is he the consensus #1 pick? Probably, but it's not a no-brainer like some years (Bush etc.) and people who make light of his injuries are the one's kidding themselves.

[bigmarc27 24]

My philosophy in a dynasty is that when you start building for next year, you will always be building for next year.

 

Agree, but its good to have a team that can play and win now and then use the pick on the most talented player. The most talented player is Peterson.

 

1. Peterson

2. Lynch

3. Calvin

-

 

Obviously that's tier 1.

 

In my personal experience though --> Talent > Situation

[kutulu 1,676]

Brandon Jackson, GB....ssshhhhhh.

[RLLD 4,230]

We are holding a dynasty rook draft right now, I might be able to grab either CJ or Lynch. I prefer to get CJ at this time....

[mozzy84 0]

alot of people took Michael Bennet over LJ because of situation, how did that one work out?

 

Always take talent over situation, and AD has way more talent than Lynch. If you take a wide out over a running back with a #1 pick you are nuts, young wide outs can be had for cheap in trades all the time, young running backs not a chance.

[swamp dog 0]

Mike Furrey was successful because the cornerback playing against him didn't know who he was. They thought he was the kicker or something, and went to cover someone else. Furrey then ran all over the field unchallenged. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

 

On a serious note, I doubt they're gonna put a rookie QB in there this season or next, behind an average offensive line, and expect him to throw 600 passes. You just don't do that unless you want to implode your rookie QB like Akili Smith.

 

Due to the mess that is Millen's Detroit (you have to say "Millen's Detroit" now) it's going to take 2 years, at least, for CJ to be anything more than a nice reserve fantasy WR. Long-term, he should be great.

 

But what do I know, Martz is a genius.

 

rookie qb? so you honestly think the lions are starting stanton this year? millen's mess is (again) irrelevant. you keep going back to the football part of it. this is FANTASY football being discussed in this thread.

 

so teams didn't know who furrey was but they'll know who cj is so they'll stop him. i guess that's what i hear you saying (?) if both roy and cj are on the field at the same time, one of them is going to be open. you can't cheat on both of them.

 

that said, i think too many people over-value the long-term in dynasty drafts and don't do enough to worry about winning their league THIS year. it's always better to weight rbs heavier than wrs in a dynasty draft for that reason. because of that, i would strongly consider drafting lynch and possibly peterson (injury issues a concer for me, though) before cj...an elite rb is always worth more than an elite wr.

 

but the best value out there will probably be michael bush. but if you pick him expect to sit him and not get much from him this year.

[RLLD 4,230]

 

Martz is a moron.

 

FIXED!

[cmh6476 1,025]

i would go bowe, but that's just me

[bigpoly60 0]

Let me preface the following with 2 beliefs: #1 NEVER, EVER draft QB's with a top 8 pick, and almost never in the first round. It's just TOO easy to find or get QB's. Why not take a chance on another position? #2 - The exception to the rule - You draft on team need. If you have 4 rb's, you draft a WR. If you have 5 WR's, you draft a RB. Most people picking first have lots of issues. Unless a top tier team has traded up. The point is "Team need" is more important than who is in what situation. You don't pick for the best player THIS year, but who will be better overall.

 

Plus, if you happen to have C. Taylor and the #1 pick, chances are you're picking AP. Speaking of which, I am sick of hearing about how "injury prone" AP is. He didn't blow out a knee. He played on a sprained ankle in 2005. AND? You mean a RB with a sprained ankle is an "injury prone" player? In 2006, he broke his collar bone. It's not a hamstring. Now that part of his collar bone is stronger than anyone else's. It was a fluke injury. We've all seen that same play result in absolutely no injuries.

 

Okay.... now to my picks.

 

 

AP = best player and top position/Minn was not good, but will break through/just may not be a soon as you hoped

CJ = I love RW. So i think this hurts JUST A LITTLE. It's better to be #1 than #1b.

Lynch = I have McGahee. I hated Buff. But hopefully Lynch can fair better.

Jackson = GB. That's all that you need to know. He can catch, and he is the man. I don't like him however.

Meacham = I like this guy. Good team going in the right direction and has a real shot be productive.

Bowe = Big potential. KC make me nervous. Too much unknown.

Henry = Someone has to break through.

Buster = True Sleeper. Drafter higher than expected. Fast, good size, great team.

Jarrett = Keyshawn Johnson. Probably won't be great, but very productive.

Sidney = Would have been top 20 pick next year. In a good situation to develope.

Irons = Rudy is at the end. Perrythere now, but who knows in a year or two.

Steve Smith = Good situation if Eli can stay of his back. Should replace "It's Not A" Toomer.

 

2nd round

Russell = If you picked first, you're team was bad. Russell should be good.

Quinn = Good, yound talent around him. Look for who they draft next year at RB to put them over the top.

Everything from here on out would be futile. You get the point.

[cbfalcon 825]

I would go

 

CJ

Lynch

Perry

Bowe

Craig Davis

Meachum

John Beck

Russell

Quinn

Beck

Steve Smith

Dwayne Jarrett

 

wow...No Peterson in your top 11 eh? Crazy