11th/12th commentary

[Vikings4ever 550]

Let's Get-R-Done

[Jetdoc 20]

There is only 12 rounds, Vikings

[Vikings4ever 550]

There is only 12 rounds, Vikings

Fixored.

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and here go all the steady-eddie veteran backup fantasy QBs. mcnair and pennington, meh. i looked at their stats. both of them stayed healthy all last year, both of them had "good" nfl years, and both of them were relatively worthless from a fantasy standpoint. cant really argue with the picks cuz theres not a ton left, but dont see much upside there. i really think the two of you screwed the pooch at QB after both having really nice starts to your drafts.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Forgot I had Fumble's pick.

 

My bad, guys.

[Fumbleweed 547]

Forgot I had Fumble's pick.

 

My bad, guys.

 

It's o.k. I actually altered my list a bit. I'll explain when it's appropriate......

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Cooley ended 2005 on fire, then was forgotten at the beginning of 2006. They found him midway thru the year. I don't think they'll wait so long this year, as he is their best receiver. As a #5 receiver all I'm looking for is that fill in TD. I have heim inked for 7 this season.

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horn's another one of those veteran receivers, though not quite as valuable as a couple of the others due to age and being on atlanta.

 

tony hunt isnt even on my radar. would love to hear some explanation on that one.

[thedanzone 2]

and here go all the steady-eddie veteran backup fantasy QBs. mcnair and pennington, meh. i looked at their stats. both of them stayed healthy all last year, both of them had "good" nfl years, and both of them were relatively worthless from a fantasy standpoint. cant really argue with the picks cuz theres not a ton left, but dont see much upside there. i really think the two of you screwed the pooch at QB after both having really nice starts to your drafts.

 

I think Favre is fine. Every year he is counted out, but he always finishes top 10. If top ten is screwing the pooch then I can accept that.

[ShaneFalco 0]

tony hunt isnt even on my radar. would love to hear some explanation on that one.

 

Tony Hunt seems like a perfect fit for the short yardage/goal line role in Philly's offense. Add in Westbrook's injury history and Hunt could see some time. There's not many RBs left with upside...

[Jetdoc 20]

Hey - I'm out for a couple of hours.

 

Here are my two choices for my pick (in priority order, and I don't care if Clash takes one):

 

Michael Clayton, WR TBB

Isaac Bruce, WR STL

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Tony Hunt seems like a perfect fit for the short yardage/goal line role in Philly's offense. Add in Westbrook's injury history and Hunt could see some time. There's not many RBs left with upside...

Is the oft injured Nebraska boy gone?

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Shane Falco

1.05 Shaun Alexander, RB SEA

2.08 Reggie Bush, RB NOS

3.05 Roy Williams, WR DET

4.08 Randy Moss, WR NEP

5.05 Donovan McNabb, QB PHI

6.08 Fred Taylor, RB JAX

7.05 Donte Stallworth, WR NEP

8.08 Philip Rivers, QB SDC

9.05 Kevin Curtis, WR PHI

10.08 Drew Bennett, WR STL

 

I have one question about the wideouts in your lineup. Did you realize that you now had 4 in new systems? That might be kind of rough. I just wondered if you were aware of that, as the old addage says it takes a year, or so, for wideouts to adjust, being the primam donna's they are.

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Is the oft injured Nebraska boy gone?

 

Yep, already taken

 

Shane Falco

1.05 Shaun Alexander, RB SEA

2.08 Reggie Bush, RB NOS

3.05 Roy Williams, WR DET

4.08 Randy Moss, WR NEP

5.05 Donovan McNabb, QB PHI

6.08 Fred Taylor, RB JAX

7.05 Donte Stallworth, WR NEP

8.08 Philip Rivers, QB SDC

9.05 Kevin Curtis, WR PHI

10.08 Drew Bennett, WR STL

 

I have one question about the wideouts in your lineup. Did you realize that you now had 4 in new systems? That might be kind of rough. I just wondered if you were aware of that, as the old addage says it takes a year, or so, for wideouts to adjust, being the primam donna's they are.

 

I did realize that, and I normally don't draft first year WRs. I took Moss simply because of his talent and upside for a 4th rounder. The guy was a perennial top 3 WR and I think now that he has one of the best QBs in the game, his numbers will go up. Stallworth was kind of a mistake, I don't like doubling up on WRs from the same team, but at least the offense spreads the ball around. Looking back, I would have taken someone else. I think Curtis will have a good year actually. I'm not really happy with my WR corps, but if Moss goes off, I should be able to plug one of the other guys in the #3 spot and be alright.

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I think Favre is fine. Every year he is counted out, but he always finishes top 10. If top ten is screwing the pooch then I can accept that.

 

i was on that bandwagon before last year, but he only had 18 TDs last year and has a lot of INTs these days. plus his inconsistency factor is through the roof. trust me, i had to count on him in a league last year, and *i* screwed the pooch. i dont believe he can get the job done as a fantasy starter anymore. you start him like... against detroit and home minnesota now. and not much else. look at his game by game last year. he had 3 really nice fantasy games, then about 3 or 4 more average ones, and a bunch of crap after that. im just sayin.

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Hey guys-I made JetDoc' selection since he posted it up earlier, then I made my pick.

 

I had Bruce ranked higher than JetDoc evidently did.

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Yep, already taken

I did realize that, and I normally don't draft first year WRs. I took Moss simply because of his talent and upside for a 4th rounder. The guy was a perennial top 3 WR and I think now that he has one of the best QBs in the game, his numbers will go up. Stallworth was kind of a mistake, I don't like doubling up on WRs from the same team, but at least the offense spreads the ball around. Looking back, I would have taken someone else. I think Curtis will have a good year actually. I'm not really happy with my WR corps, but if Moss goes off, I should be able to plug one of the other guys in the #3 spot and be alright.

I agree that Moss could be kind of an exception, with his freakiness and all. I was just pointing it out for future drafts.

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Hey guys-I made JetDoc' selection since he posted it up earlier, then I made my pick.

 

I had Bruce ranked higher than JetDoc evidently did.

 

when i was going over rosters to see if there was anyone left over that i hard forgotten, i was shocked to see bruce not even on my list of top availables. hes just about a guarantee for 1000 yards each year if he can stay healty, which he usually does just enough to get to 1000+. not many TDs anymore, but at an estimate of 1000/4 which seems fairly conservative, hes running pretty much even or better than most of the WRs taken in the last 3 rounds. great pick! im not sure if i wouldve taken him. his ceiling is obviously not high anymore, and i feel my WR staff is strong so im looking for upside, but i really like him this late nonetheless.

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Without Keyshawn to mentor Jarret, I feel he is toast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, at this point of the game, these are the types of picks that COULD pay dividends. There is another rookie that comes to mind right about now.

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im very high on dwayne jarrett. not necessarily this year, but i am still stunned how far he fell in the draft. i think he was the 2nd best WR this year by far, closer to calvin than to the rest of the group. he also is the only WR that comes to mind who is literally being handed a starting job. imo he basically takes over keyshawn's role. well keyshawn had 800/5 last year in a down year for the panthers. this year should be better for them, plus jarrett imo is faster, younger, and just plain better. i have him for 900/6. maybe thats a bit high for this year right off the bat, but i think his upside is undeniable and id be ecstatic to take a flier on him this late in a draft. have a feeling miller may have taken him if i didnt. actually was surprised he wasnt gone already with all the upside picks of late.

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when i was going over rosters to see if there was anyone left over that i hard forgotten, i was shocked to see bruce not even on my list of top availables. hes just about a guarantee for 1000 yards each year if he can stay healty, which he usually does just enough to get to 1000+. not many TDs anymore, but at an estimate of 1000/4 which seems fairly conservative, hes running pretty much even or better than most of the WRs taken in the last 3 rounds. great pick! im not sure if i wouldve taken him. his ceiling is obviously not high anymore, and i feel my WR staff is strong so im looking for upside, but i really like him this late nonetheless.

The fact that Curtis is now gone, only reinforces his position on the team, and pi$$es me off that I forgot him too.

[Vikings4ever 550]

The fact that Curtis is now gone, only reinforces his position on the team, and pi$$es me off that I forgot him too.

Drew Bennett?

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Drew Bennett?

That is nothing against bennett. i just feel that Curtis in STL another year is more valuable than bennett in STL his first year, thus proving that Bruce still has IT!!

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That is nothing against bennett. i just feel that Curtis in STL another year is more valuable than bennett in STL his first year, thus proving that Bruce still has IT!!

 

agree with the first half of that. i think curtis was more of a threat to take touches away than bennett in his first year. i dont think it really proves much other than that curtis was too much $$ to keep and they clearly tried to find another solid WR to replace bruce once he finally kicks the can. that said, i think bruce is pretty clearly still the starter and should have another 1000 yard season ahead of him. if bennett does much, i feel like it may not be until toward the end of the year.

 

heh, i knew that pick was coming nan. i can read you like a book.

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Fantasy King

1.12 Ronnie Brown, RB MIA

2.01 Travis Henry, RB DEN

3.12 TJ Housmanzadeh, WR CIN

4.01 Tom Brady, QB NEP

5.12 Reggie Brown, WR PHI

6.01 Chester Taylor, RB MIN

7.12 Tony Gonzalez, WR KCC

8.01 Jeremy Shockey, WR NYG

9.12 Chris Henry, RB TEN

10.01 Devery Henderson, WR NOS

 

Fantasy King asked us to make his last two picks.

 

How about the Top Qb available ,and Ronnie brown's backup

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Fantasy King

1.12 Ronnie Brown, RB MIA

2.01 Travis Henry, RB DEN

3.12 TJ Housmanzadeh, WR CIN

4.01 Tom Brady, QB NEP

5.12 Reggie Brown, WR PHI

6.01 Chester Taylor, RB MIN

7.12 Tony Gonzalez, WR KCC

8.01 Jeremy Shockey, WR NYG

9.12 Chris Henry, RB TEN

10.01 Devery Henderson, WR NOS

 

Fantasy King asked us to make his last two picks.

 

How about the Top Qb available ,and Ronnie brown's backup

 

Souds fine to me. I would take Campbell, QB=Washington (or Lefty) & Booker, RB from Miami then. Thoughts??

[Vikings4ever 550]

Souds fine to me. I would take Campbell, QB=Washington (or Lefty) & Booker, RB from Miami then. Thoughts??

Booker I'd agree with.

 

I'd say either Campbell or Schaub.

[Kitsnow 0]

He gets Chad pennington or J.P losman (next best)

And lorenzo booker

[Vikings4ever 550]

He gets Chad pennington or J.P losman (next best)

And lorenzo booker

Pennington's gone.

[Kitsnow 0]

Then losman or Schaub.

Pick the stronger OL Buffalo or Pick the stronger defense houston.

[robb 81]

Go ahead RC, select Booker and then you decide which QB after reading this discussion!

[thedanzone 2]

i was on that bandwagon before last year, but he only had 18 TDs last year and has a lot of INTs these days. plus his inconsistency factor is through the roof. trust me, i had to count on him in a league last year, and *i* screwed the pooch. i dont believe he can get the job done as a fantasy starter anymore. you start him like... against detroit and home minnesota now. and not much else. look at his game by game last year. he had 3 really nice fantasy games, then about 3 or 4 more average ones, and a bunch of crap after that. im just sayin.

 

 

I drafted him at 8.11 so I am not going to be counting on him too heavily. Hopefully the rest of my starters will suffice with 10 or 16 points a week from Favre. The INTs do hurt, but Favre is good for 3800-4000 yards every year.

 

I was hoping for Brees in the 4th and ended up with Hines Ward, not bad. Then in the 6th Kitna was dropping and Fumbleweed took his second QB with my pick next in line. I took Galloway at a great value, but RB RB WR WR WR WR isn't something I normally do.

 

I could of had McNabb or Bulger instead of Hines Ward, but I still liked about 5 QBs on the board.

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Booker I'd agree with.

 

I'd say either Campbell or Schaub.

 

Somebody who is on the Board now.......please....go ahead and make 11.12 and 12.01 selections so we can get this done ASAP!

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QUOTE(FantasyKing @ Jun 4 2007, 10:51 AM) 3141019[/snapback]

 

Guys the wait has just been too long today, I can tell it's not gonna get to me anytime soon - I'm just gonna make it easy and say go ahead and pick the rest of my players for me.

 

I'm gonna select Losman for him.

[robb 81]

if there is agreement, I can select Booker for his 12.1

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Let's roll

 

We can change out the Qb, if we want to, or simply pretend it's a different one. I think the 12th round backup for Ronnie brown is the right pick.

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probably shouldve taken a qb here just to appease the masses. but if this was a real draft, i know the qb i wouldve taken wont be anywhere but waivers when i need him in week 4, and i wouldve taken anthony gonzalez as i did. hes pretty much waiver wire fodder... unless the unthinkable happens and harrison or wayne gets hurt. in that case, i just drafted a guaranteed top 10 WR in the 12th round. to me, it makes more sense drafting a 20% chance of that happening than using a pick on rudi johnson's backup or tarvaris jackson.

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I hear Bobby Wade is the #1 WR on the Vikings. If so, good pick, if I am being "fooled", then I drop him as my first waiver!

 

What are you all hearing on Wade?

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probably shouldve taken a qb here just to appease the masses. but if this was a real draft, i know the qb i wouldve taken wont be anywhere but waivers when i need him in week 4, and i wouldve taken anthony gonzalez as i did. hes pretty much waiver wire fodder... unless the unthinkable happens and harrison or wayne gets hurt. in that case, i just drafted a guaranteed top 10 WR in the 12th round. to me, it makes more sense drafting a 20% chance of that happening than using a pick on rudi johnson's backup or tarvaris jackson.

This is the rookie that we have the most catches this year.

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I hear Bobby Wade is the #1 WR on the Vikings. If so, good pick, if I am being "fooled", then I drop him as my first waiver!

 

What are you all hearing on Wade?

 

i havent really hard anything as a vikings homer. i will say this though. i am not expecting more than about 2800, maybe 3000 yards passing tops this year with tarvaris's first full year. at least 400 of that will go to the RBs and another 400 to the TEs most likely. that only really leaves around 2000 for the WRs which would be split between williamson, wade, and the best receiver on the team rice (he was my other pick if someone had taken anthony gonzalez). i see those 2000 yards, minus maybe 200 of them going to 4th WRs and beyond, split up pretty evenly making all of our WRs very hit or miss and quite useless this year. probably around 6-700 yards for each of the three. as far as passing TDs, i only have tarvaris projected for about 14-16. again a couple to the RBs and a couple to TEs. throw in 3-4 bombs to williamson and youre down to about 7-9 left to be split between rice, wade, and mcmullen who should all be decent redzone targets. bottom line, you get a bunch of 650/4 receivers, none of whom are ever consistent or worth a lick in fantasy football. i just dont see any other scenario that that one this year. and if i had to draft one of them, it would be the one thats still there, just based on the upside esp in the TDs to escape that 650/4 realm.

 

honestly other than the RBs, theres really nothing worth drafting on minnesota this year. and i dont have a good read on which of them will be most valuable, or even if both will split and kill each other's value. if one ends up starting full time, they will probably be in my top 10-12 RBs, but im not sure that seems likely. outside of those two, its slim pickens. i personally think tarvaris can be a playable backup many weeks. hes probably going to have around 400/5 on the ground and that will fill in a lot of blanks where his maybe 2800/14/18 through the air have left you wanting. sort of a poor mans vick. a really really poor one.