thePRO 78 Posted September 23, 2007 I'm starting a league with some friends next week, so this made me re-evaluate my new top 10 now that we're almost done with week 3. Who would you all rank up there now? 1) L.T (yes I still have to put him up there. He's had some tough matchups to start the year) 2) Joseph Addai (Am I crazy? Manning's passing game opens up the field for this guy and he get's TD's too. Should continue doing great in the run game) 3) Willie Parker (Am I crazy again? This guy seems like he hits 100 every game and he's a great runner) 4) Brian Westbrook (This guy is going to continue to carry this team in the run and pass game...max points) 5) Steven Jackson (He'll only get better as the season goes on...solid performance today) 6) Peyton Manning (I have to go QB here...He's top notch, what else is there to say?) 7) Tom Brady (Yes, getting RB's is important in fantasy football, but Brady looks like he could outscore everyone this year) 8) Rudi Johsnon (Same as Indy, Palmer's offense opens up the field for him, and they include him in the passing game. Despite his slow performance today, he always gets solid numbers) 9) Larry Johnson (I can't believe I'm ranking him, but he has to turn it around sometime right?) 10) Travis Henry (Denver's great Run offense, if he stays healthy he'll be top 10) Close to top 10: Palmer Gore Brown So how would you rank them now?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted September 23, 2007 1. Brady 2. Moss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 0 Posted September 23, 2007 1. Addai 2. LT 3. Gore 4. Westbrook 5. Moss 6. Brady 7. FWP 8. Portis 9 Steve Smith 10. Rudi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 23, 2007 1. Brady2. Moss I wouldn't be surprised if people started going that route. You'll be looking at like 50 points just off those 2 combined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted September 23, 2007 1. Addai2. LT 3. Gore 4. Westbrook 5. Moss 6. Brady 7. FWP 8. Portis 9 Steve Smith 10. Rudi I have 3 of those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Dido Brother 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Why don't we wait until after the Monday night game before seeing a thread like this? What if Reggie goes off for 4 TDs? Or Brees fires 5 TDs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 23, 2007 Why don't we wait until after the Monday night game before seeing a thread like this? What if Reggie goes off for 4 TDs? Or Brees fires 5 TDs? Because even if Reggie Bush goes off for 4 TD's he is still not going to crack my top 10. I don't know why he would crack anyone's top 10 if that happened anyway. 2 bad performances and 1 break out game = top 10?? I don't think so. Same goes with Brees. Yea it will move him up, but no way in hell I'd go with Brees with a 1st Rd draft pick. Round 2 at best. That's just me. And I just want some responses now because I was curious and bored. I'll bump it after monday night though if I have to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingofBeer 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Why don't we wait until after the Monday night game before seeing a thread like this? What if Reggie goes off for 4 TDs? Or Brees fires 5 TDs? yes....they would be up there with kevin curtis!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 23, 2007 Hmm maybe Rudi J or Travis Henry don't belong in the top 10?? Probably just a bad week for both of them and they'll turn it around again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law 251 Posted September 23, 2007 Unreal. Even after 3 weeks of evidence, NO love for Lamont Jordan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Dido Brother 0 Posted September 23, 2007 yes....they would be up there with kevin curtis!! Right, because Curtis has demonstrated talent to us before..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scherber830 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Unreal. Even after 3 weeks of evidence, NO love for Lamont Jordan. agreed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 23, 2007 Unreal. Even after 3 weeks of evidence, NO love for Lamont Jordan. I'd put him at pick number 14. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hines86rules 0 Posted September 23, 2007 1. Brady2. Moss The 3 of you need to get a room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted September 24, 2007 in all ppr leagues i can tell you that chad johnson and roy are in the top 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 24, 2007 Anyone else have a new top 10 ranking? MBIII in any of them?? Romo? Owens? Definitely not Benson lol!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zackattack 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Housh has about 30 catches and 4 TD's. I think he is top 15. Lamont must have 400 yards and be the #1 RB he belongs there. Randy Moss best start for him ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted September 24, 2007 I'm starting a league with some friends next week, so this made me re-evaluate my new top 10 now that we're almost done with week 3. Who would you all rank up there now? 1) L.T (yes I still have to put him up there. He's had some tough matchups to start the year) 2) Joseph Addai (Am I crazy? Manning's passing game opens up the field for this guy and he get's TD's too. Should continue doing great in the run game) 3) Willie Parker (Am I crazy again? This guy seems like he hits 100 every game and he's a great runner) 4) Brian Westbrook (This guy is going to continue to carry this team in the run and pass game...max points) 5) Steven Jackson (He'll only get better as the season goes on...solid performance today) 6) Peyton Manning (I have to go QB here...He's top notch, what else is there to say?) 7) Tom Brady (Yes, getting RB's is important in fantasy football, but Brady looks like he could outscore everyone this year) 8) Rudi Johsnon (Same as Indy, Palmer's offense opens up the field for him, and they include him in the passing game. Despite his slow performance today, he always gets solid numbers) 9) Larry Johnson (I can't believe I'm ranking him, but he has to turn it around sometime right?) 10) Travis Henry (Denver's great Run offense, if he stays healthy he'll be top 10) Close to top 10: Palmer Gore Brown So how would you rank them now?? LT STILL number one? havent we learned ANYTHING from our years of FF? guys who were MVPS in fantasy the year before usually fall apart or have injuries the next year...priest..alexander... LT with NO hint of a WR crew on that team?...i love how everyone assumed he was the clear #1...no matter what.... drop him a good ways... throw shaun alexander up there and toss in favre also...the packers have no running game and its mainly passing and favre is STILL red hot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ramrock11 Posted September 24, 2007 Not a fan of the Gmen but heck Plax has a 5td's in three weeks and he can't crack the top ten,what's up with that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VinGoodman 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Not a fan of the Gmen but heck Plax has a 5td's in three weeks and he can't crack the top ten,what's up with that The receivers and QB's have a difficult time breaking into the top 10 because 1) There is usually a bigger top two tiers for QB and WR's than RBs 2) Few teams put out more than one quality RB's, but several teams have top notch WR tandems The reason RB's dominate top 10 is because of scarcity. Having said that, here's how I would rank the players 1) Tomlinson (he'll finish among the tops in RB; there is relatively little risk of that not happening, which makes him the least risky pick among the top players - and we all know what his upside can be) 2) Addai (quality FEATURE back in a team that should have leads and many scoring chances - if only Maroney could have that role) 3) Gore (for those that soured on him, check out his schedule after the bye) 4) Alexander (again, relatively low risk pick here, now that it appears the injury is old news) That would be my top tier - players who are featured backs on contending teams that will utilize the RB's as part of the offense and who are featured prominately around the goal line. 5) Westbrook (injury risk) 6) FWP (goal line carries risk) 7) Henry (he really can be anywhere from 5-8; I don't know why I like Westbrook and FWP more - it's jus gut instinct, which has been wrong many times before) 8) Larry Johnson (bad team risk - people say his schedule gets better, but I'm not sure I agree; the schedule is "weaker", but not soft - we're talking OAK, GBP, SDC, DEN, IND here, not ATL, NOS, DET, CLE) 9-10) Manning/Brady (I have Manning at 9 and Brady at 10 only because he plays in a dome most of the time) There are plenty of other running backs who have the upside to make top 10, but they all carry more risk. Frankly, I would consider dropping Johnson and making Manning and Brady 8 and 9, but he does catch passes out of the backfield, and has so much talent it's hard not to want to take a chance on him. Once we get past these eleven, I would start thinking about taking WR's to balance against the fact I just lost out on the top RB and QB's. There are enough good RB's left here I'd consider taking them and hoping they pan out, but they all have questions around them as far as I'm concerned. Yes, I know SJax is not in my top 10. That offensive line scares me, and they don't have the defense to keep the opponent off the field when behind (again, another gut instinct thing; I really don't know this for a fact). EDITED to change the number; I had skipped #5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psunate77 0 Posted September 24, 2007 No Love for AP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VinGoodman 0 Posted September 24, 2007 No Love for AP? Not yet. I would want to see how Chester Taylor is used when healthy first. I have ADP in the same tier as Jordan, but both still a cut below the top 10 because of future questions they have to answer. Lamont Jordan did about what I expected him to do against Cleveland, so his value did not go up much for me after yesterday. Ask me again about these two after week 6. I should point out yesterday's injury was the only reason Rudi Johnson is not in the list. Before yesterday, I would've ranked him 9, and the QB's would've been 11-12 for me. If he turns out ok, I'd put him back at 9, drop Larry Johnson to 10, and the QB's would be 11 and 12. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,129 Posted September 24, 2007 lamont jordan still gets no love Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Celticspride 0 Posted September 24, 2007 7) FWP (goal line carries risk) Why?...The headcoach has come out and said that Parker is the short-yardage back and Parker has proven to be very good at the goal-line. The only problem with Pittsburgh's offense is they seem to throw a lot inside the 5, but if they run it, it's almost certainly going to be with Parker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VinGoodman 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Why?...The headcoach has come out and said that Parker is the short-yardage back and Parker has proven to be very good at the goal-line. The only problem with Pittsburgh's offense is they seem to throw a lot inside the 5, but if they run it, it's almost certainly going to be with Parker. Hmm, I'll have to take a look at the play-by-plays more closely. I know the TE's have poached a couple, and they seem to be going to the air a bit more in the red zone, as you mentioned. I don't trust coach-speak; I rather check what actually happens on the field. I would compare how he's used in the red zone against how Alexander is used in the red zone, since neither of them are a force through the air (Gore hasn't shown it much yet, but we know he can, so he has that upside as an advantage). If FWP is getting the attempts to punch it in, I'd flip FWP and Westbrook. FWP becomes the number 5 and is moved into the top tier. I would say he, Gore, and Alexander would then be the toss-ups at 3-5. Today, if FWP is getting the goal line opportunities, I'd go Gore-Alexander-FWP, but they'd be close. Westbrook's injury risk keeps him in the second tier. As an added bonus for FWP, I like his schedule. He only faces BAL once (the second game is week 17, a non-issue for most fantasy leagues). He also gets CLE once more and CIN twice. For those that have him and make it to the championship week 16, he faces STL, which is a bonus. Someone else mentioned LJordan again. Like I said, he won't put the demons to rest for me until after week 6. Rhodes will be back after the bye week, and the Raiders play the Chargers week 6. If he struggles and they stay with him, I'd be satisfied and he moves into top 10 for me, assuming nothing else changes for the other running backs. His upside is limited by Oakland's ability to move the ball into scoring position for him, and I'd have to look to see how much of an issue that would be down the stretch. For a RB in the top 10, I want a feature back with a very long leash and chances around the goal line. Being on a team competing for the playoff spots would help, too. So still no love today, but I do have some warm fuzzy feelings about him, and he may make a lot of fantasy owners happy down the road. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,346 Posted September 24, 2007 5. Moss6. Brady 7. FWP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 24, 2007 lamont jordan still gets no love Not a fan of the Gmen but heck Plax has a 5td's in three weeks and he can't crack the top ten,what's up with that Guys, I'm not a professional writer or anything and a football analysis guy haha....I just said my opinion and the point of this thread is to see how you would rank the top 10 now...not so much judge my top 10!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 25, 2007 After 3 full weeks of football what does everyone think now??? Brees should drop to like an 8th round pick lol!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r8drzrule 0 Posted September 25, 2007 anybody putting LT2 or LJ or steven jackson or frank gore is just someone who drafted them in top 5 and hoping(good luck with that). the REAL top 10 through 3 weeks.... lamont jordan free willie parker brian westbrook carson palmer tom brady joseph addai payton manning randy moss chad johnson terrell owens you could make a legit argument for edge, shaun alexander, jon kitna, steve smith or plaxico burriss and mabey a couple other guys. chances are if you have a couple of the above 15 guys on your team, you are 2-1 or 3-0. if you don't have any of the above 15 you are probably 1-2 or 0-3. as prognosticated by many on this board... a)norvella the wet noodle will ruin the chargers and LT2 b)the queefs oline is not what it used to be and the team sux, adjust LJ's ranking accordingly c)steven jackson lost orlando for the year...i feel for those who drafted him d)frank gore is a head scratcher until you watch the niners...man is that offense terrible. alex smith is the next tim couch. were they this bad last year and gore just did everything himself? probably not gonna work two years in a row. if smith doesn't improve 10 fold and real fast, gore is going to suxor! bust of the year has to be the above 4 so far. never in the history of fantasy football have the top four picks underpreformed this much. i got lamont, eli and plastic man. thought i was screwed when year began and am doing backflips now! now if mcnabb could just do his yearly "out for the season by week 10" and carson and payton go down, i wiould be a cinch for the.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
socrilles 0 Posted September 25, 2007 Romo is #1 QB right now (points wise) and he just got it done against the bears. I think he belongs up there. LaMont Jordan needs a good performance against a good run defense. LJ is terrible at the moment. LT2 maybe top 10 but not top 5. Biggest Busts Brees LJ SJax MJD Lee Evans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pound 0 Posted September 25, 2007 anybody putting LT2 or LJ or steven jackson or frank gore is just someone who drafted them in top 5 and hoping(good luck with that). the REAL top 10 through 3 weeks.... lamont jordan ... You put him #1 with Rhodes coming back in a couple weeks? good luck with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r8drzrule 0 Posted September 25, 2007 Romo is #1 QB right now (points wise) and he just got it done against the bears. I think he belongs up there. LaMont Jordan needs a good performance against a good run defense. LJ is terrible at the moment. LT2 maybe top 10 but not top 5. Biggest Busts Brees LJ SJax MJD Lee Evans oops, forgot romo. yep, hes up there too. personally, wouldn't touch LT2 if draft was today. you guys seem to forget the awsome power norvella turner has to suck! its one of the greatest forces in the known universe, norvs suckiness. and so what if lamont doesn't put up numbers against chicago, minnesota or sandiego? thats only 4 games, use your bench. looks like he is going to score big in the other 12 games to me! no way anyone can argue he is not the top dog 3 weeks in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r8drzrule 0 Posted September 25, 2007 You put him #1 with Rhodes coming back in a couple weeks? good luck with that. let me guess, you had a top 3 pick and got stuck with a dud? don't be a hater. i watch all the raider games, all the press confrences, everything raider. rhodes is not going to take lamonts place unless he gets hurt. he will spell him a bit, but lamont has earned his spot. believe me, i swore off all raiders. i posted on this board to stay awya, thought their oline couldn't possibly turn it around like this, i was wrong. i took lamont WAY late because no one would touch him and i'm a homer! he is top dog 3 weeks in, no denyin it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VinGoodman 0 Posted September 25, 2007 anybody putting LT2 or LJ or steven jackson or frank gore is just someone who drafted them in top 5 and hoping(good luck with that). the REAL top 10 through 3 weeks.... lamont jordan free willie parker brian westbrook carson palmer tom brady joseph addai payton manning randy moss chad johnson terrell owens you could make a legit argument for edge, shaun alexander, jon kitna, steve smith or plaxico burriss and mabey a couple other guys. chances are if you have a couple of the above 15 guys on your team, you are 2-1 or 3-0. if you don't have any of the above 15 you are probably 1-2 or 0-3. as prognosticated by many on this board... a)norvella the wet noodle will ruin the chargers and LT2 b)the queefs oline is not what it used to be and the team sux, adjust LJ's ranking accordingly c)steven jackson lost orlando for the year...i feel for those who drafted him d)frank gore is a head scratcher until you watch the niners...man is that offense terrible. alex smith is the next tim couch. were they this bad last year and gore just did everything himself? probably not gonna work two years in a row. if smith doesn't improve 10 fold and real fast, gore is going to suxor! bust of the year has to be the above 4 so far. never in the history of fantasy football have the top four picks underpreformed this much. i got lamont, eli and plastic man. thought i was screwed when year began and am doing backflips now! now if mcnabb could just do his yearly "out for the season by week 10" and carson and payton go down, i wiould be a cinch for the.... Big words my friend. If someone comes to you and offers to give you Lamont Jordan for LT2 straight up, would you be confident enough to make that trade? Furthermore, if you believe LT2 is no longer top 10, you are now saying you'd take Lamont Jordan for LT2 plus other considerations (tier 2 WR perhaps?). It's just a hunch, but I don't think you'd do it if you have Tomlinson. This is the truest test out there when you put your top 10 together, especially when we're talking RB's. Players for other positions are harder to assess. I still believe it'd be a mistake to take a receiver with the first 10 picks, based mainly on difference between tiers. If Burress and Moss continue their torrid TD pace, they will prove me wrong regarding their worth, but it will also go against a lot of football history in terms of TD productions by position. And, notice Roy Williams, Anquan Boldin, Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne (remember his first game), TO, T.J. Houshmanzadeh have all shown they're no slouch, either. There may still be enough great WR's available that I'd take the best RB's first, and see what comes to me for WR in the second round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r8drzrule 0 Posted September 25, 2007 Big words my friend. If someone comes to you and offers to give you Lamont Jordan for LT2 straight up, would you be confident enough to make that trade? Furthermore, if you believe LT2 is no longer top 10, you are now saying you'd take Lamont Jordan for LT2 plus other considerations (tier 2 WR perhaps?). It's just a hunch, but I don't think you'd do it if you have Tomlinson. This is the truest test out there when you put your top 10 together, especially when we're talking RB's. Players for other positions are harder to assess. I still believe it'd be a mistake to take a receiver with the first 10 picks, based mainly on difference between tiers. If Burress and Moss continue their torrid TD pace, they will prove me wrong regarding their worth, but it will also go against a lot of football history in terms of TD productions by position. And, notice Roy Williams, Anquan Boldin, Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne (remember his first game), TO, T.J. Houshmanzadeh have all shown they're no slouch, either. There may still be enough great WR's available that I'd take the best RB's first, and see what comes to me for WR in the second round. i got lamont and wouldn't trade him for LT2. again, i witnessed first hand the norv turner effect, you will soon be a believer if you don't remember his time with the redskins. ask any long time skins fan. and randy moss, chad johnson, terrell and plastic man are puttin up huge numbers. i think if the draft were right now, i'd take one of them late first and grab jamal lewis in the second! we will see in 10-11 weeks when fantasy playoffs start. but if you drafted top 4 and got LT, gore, LJ or sjax, you're hurtin. there is no other way to say it. and if you are 0-3, chances are you won't be in the money come years end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 25, 2007 Those are some big words. I couldn't imagine anyone going with Lamont Jordan with the 1st round pick of the fantasy football draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r8drzrule 0 Posted September 25, 2007 is it not true that if you have 2 or 3 of the following you are 3-0 or 2-1? lamont jordan willie parker brian westbrook carson palmer tom brady joseph addai payton manning randy moss chad johnson terrell owens edge alexander kitna smith burris and conversely, if you have none of the above you are probably 1-2 or 0-3? wouldn't that make them the top 15 picks? isn't that the very definition of draft order, how they score? or how we think they will score? and since we know what they have done 3 weeks in, wouldn't we base our list on that? i don't know, mabey its too logical. bookmark this if you want but i'm goin on record right now(i'll make it through week 8 so we won't have to wait until years end). 1) san diego chargers will continue thier suckazz ways because of norvella. more sideline blowups in their future. LT2 will have 500+ yards by week 8 but less than 6 total td's(which makes him a bust as the #1 pick) 2)LJ will continue to blow chunks. the loss of roaf last year caused a noticeable decline in his YPC(he went from over 5 ypc to just north of 4.5, no one noticed because 4.5+ ypc is still really good), the loss of sheilds just finished the job. plus the team stinx. he should also have 500 or more yards, but there is a chance he doesn't. and td's, froget it. and get this, i say the queefs are 3-5 or 2-6 at that point. 3)sjax, i feel sorry for those who drafted him. but it is what it is. i'm not gonna prognosticate for the owners of sjax, just know there will be much agony of defeat. 4)gore at least has a shot at some decent numbers. he won't be anywhere near the numbers you would expect from a top 4, but he will be a top 10 back. all you owners looking for a turn around from these 4, forget it. if you can unload LT2 or LJ, do it now! first game can be considered rust, second game a slow start, by game 3 its called a trend! we are witnessing fantasy football history. never before have the top 4 picks flopped like this. oh and my man lamont will probably not still be the #1. addai, parker, westbrook and alexander should all pass him up. they are all on much better football teams. but he will still be top 7or 8 as long as he doesn't get hurt. this is not sarcasm, this is the great carnac, it is written so it shall pass. adjust your teams accordingly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBlade 3 Posted September 25, 2007 You put him #1 with Rhodes coming back in a couple weeks? good luck with that. There is no way Rhodes does any damage to LJ2 for several weeks, barring injury to LJ2. Rhodes has not been allowed to practice with the team for 4 weeks. There is NO WAY you can stay in game shape if you're not taking some hits in practice. Also, the man's a career backup. I'll give you the time he was behind Edge, because that speaks for itself. But, he had every opportunity to take the #1 spot all by his lonesome last year in Indy and not only did he fail to do so, he failed so miserably that he became expendable. LaMont is the starter in Oakland, and will be unless he gets hurt. LaMont will continue to get the majority of the touches, as he has certainly earned that right up to this point. Rhodes was brought in as insurance for Jordan's injury and to light a fire under his arse. It worked, ergo Rhodes gets nothing but spell and mop-up time. Jordan, if he remains healthy (and given the way this season is going that will be a real accomplishment in and of itself), will be a top 10, very possibly top 5, RB. All from a 5th round or later pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seadog54 20 Posted September 25, 2007 You put him #1 with Rhodes coming back in a couple weeks? good luck with that. what the hell has Rhodes done in his career to deserve taking away a productive RB from his starting spot? Steroids? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites