Lions running up the score

[donhaas 19]

stop living in denial. they've outscored their opponents 60-14 the past two weeks

 

the only unbeaten-at-home team in the nfc. ford field's a rockin. plus: 4 more home games

 

Sampdoggy: I'm so happy that for the first time ever you finally get to experience FFToday in November.

I know that April is your time to shine, but this must be nice for you.

 

I hope you don't leave after Detroit loses to Arizona, because you'll still be ahead of the Bears.

[remote controller 143]

They were up 23-0 in the 3rd qtr and threw a 49yd TD then up by 37-0 they ran in another.

I agree.......the Lions def really tried to run up the score. Hell, they even had one called back. That was an A$$ kickin by the Lions, plain and simple!!!

 

The NFC North is looking pretty good!

[remote controller 143]

Talk about denial. They have played against Griese and Patrick Ramsey in the past 2 weeks.

Nobody is afraid of Ford Field.

Kind of a bad angle Sho, as Griese beat us. This angle doesn't help too much. The Lions are for real. We have to accept that, realize we have trouble in their dome, and hope our team plays a solid game. If the Pack plays a solid game there on turkey day, they can win. I just hope we get by AD at Lambeau next week, or we are in trouble in the division.

 

Congrats go out to the Lions and lions fan, also to The Vikings, and AD.

 

 

SHALOM!

[donhaas 19]

Kind of a bad angle Sho, as Griese beat us. This angle doesn't help too much.

 

The answer, as always, is somewhere in between.

 

But Greise is not a good quarterback. He’s a journeyman and could not beat out the terrible Grossman for a job. I’m pretty sure he completed 2 passes to wide receivers the entire game against the Packers. Jones hangs onto the ball, that game is 31-7, getting worse, and the Packer D is loading up on fantasy points.

 

Yes. I know…. Grandma plus ballz = Grandpa.

 

Bottom line: The Detroit D has played below-average to average against some below-average offenses (TB, Oak), wonderful against some crappy back-up QB’s and World League quarterback Tavaris, and just completely horrible against Was (5-3) and Phi (3-5).

 

5th to last in the NFL in total defense; 10th to last in points allowed.

And they have yet to play a good offense this year (like most teams have many times) to distort those stats further.

 

Not sold yet.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Kind of a bad angle Sho, as Griese beat us. This angle doesn't help too much. The Lions are for real. We have to accept that, realize we have trouble in their dome, and hope our team plays a solid game. If the Pack plays a solid game there on turkey day, they can win. I just hope we get by AD at Lambeau next week, or we are in trouble in the division.

 

Congrats go out to the Lions and lions fan, also to The Vikings, and AD.

SHALOM!

 

Griese did beat the Packers...no doubt...but lets not act like he is great.

 

I think the Lions are a good team...but not great. They have beaten up on some mediocre teams. Look at the combined record of the teams they have beat...and the record of the teams they have left to play.

[remote controller 143]

Griese did beat the Packers...no doubt...but lets not act like he is great.

 

I think the Lions are a good team...but not great. They have beaten up on some mediocre teams. Look at the combined record of the teams they have beat...and the record of the teams they have left to play.

Let's also remember that, thought the Pack could be 8-0, they could just as easily be 4-4. I am as happy as any Packer Fan is for the season thus far. I just want to stay realistic and appreciate the accomplishments, and not delude myself.

[swamp dog 0]

Let's also remember that, thought the Pack could be 8-0, they could just as easily be 4-4. I am as happy as any Packer Fan is for the season thus far. I just want to stay realistic and appreciate the accomplishments, and not delude myself.

 

you're right: there really is no room for packer fans to thump their chests about their team and dismiss the lions (essentially) in the same breath, or vice-versa.

 

sho cracks me up. i still have him on ignore, so thanks for quoting him in your post and letting me see he hasn't changed much

[Sho Nuff 720]

Let's also remember that, thought the Pack could be 8-0, they could just as easily be 4-4. I am as happy as any Packer Fan is for the season thus far. I just want to stay realistic and appreciate the accomplishments, and not delude myself.

 

I agree...the Packers have won some games that they could have lost. But that is the sign of an improving and better team. Last 2 years I think they lose several of those games. Better teams find ways to win.

Trust me, they are surprising me...I had the Packers as an 8-8 type of team when I did some picks right before the season. In training camp I said they looked like a 7-9 kind of team. Im very happy with the start.

[Sho Nuff 720]

you're right: there really is no room for packer fans to thump their chests about their team and dismiss the lions (essentially) in the same breath, or vice-versa.

 

sho cracks me up. i still have him on ignore, so thanks for quoting him in your post and letting me see he hasn't changed much

 

Not thumping my chest about the Packers. Im not claiming the Packers are a great team. Just better than the Lions.

 

You are right, I have not changed much...Im still speaking the truth about the Lions and you still cannot handle that truth. But, like don said, its good to see you around in November.

 

But just for you...to back up my post about the Lions and who they have played and who they have left...

 

The combined record of the Lions remaining opponents is 41-23, the combined record of who they have beaten is 24-33

 

Green Bay's combined record of remaining opponents 25-31 so to be fair the total the combined record of who GB has beat is 28-28

 

Kitna is taking a lot of sacks already. 33 in 8 games is 4 per game. How many more before it takes a toll?

And the majority of the Lions success defensively came against 3 bad QBs.

[Lions_or_Die 0]

The combined record of the Lions remaining opponents is 41-23, the combined record of who they have beaten is 24-33

 

Green Bay's combined record of remaining opponents 25-31 so to be fair the total the combined record of who GB has beat is 28-28

 

This only proves that Detroit has a much tougher schedule down the stretch. I am not sure what else it might prove. In addition, I am not sure there is really that much difference between 28-28 vs. 24-33.

 

I am certainly not ready to crown my Lions anything more than a very improved team from the past I don't know how many seasons. I also don't think a 7-1 Packers team in 2007 comes close to comparing to a 1996 7-1 GB team. Of course, nobody necessarily said it did, but the point is that just like many other teams in the NFC and most of football the Packers and Lions are 2nd tier teams at best. Of course, in comparison to other eras, the entire league is 2nd tier.

[donhaas 19]

Bottom line: The Detroit D has played below-average to average against some below-average offenses (TB, Oak), wonderful against some crappy back-up QB’s and World League quarterback Tavaris, and just completely horrible against Was (5-3) and Phi (3-5).

 

5th to last in the NFL in total defense; 10th to last in points allowed.

And they have yet to play a good offense this year (like most teams have many times) to distort those stats further.

 

Not sold yet.

 

[edjr 6,898]

They are running up the score this week too.

 

BACKWARDS!

[swamp dog 0]

lions defense wasn't as horrid as the score indicated today. they held ari to 73 yards rushing on 28 carries--plus a couple of sacks, int, and 3 fumble recoveries. the lion offense hung them out to dry--especially in the first half. the defense was on the field the entire first half and for most of the game. the offense kept putting them back out there.

 

it's a wonder the score was what it was.

[swamp dog 0]

They are running up the score this week too.

 

BACKWARDS!

 

meh...31-21...so what.

[Sho Nuff 720]

lions defense wasn't as horrid as the score indicated today. they held ari to 73 yards rushing on 28 carries--plus a couple of sacks, int, and 3 fumble recoveries. the lion offense hung them out to dry--especially in the first half. the defense was on the field the entire first half and for most of the game. the offense kept putting them back out there.

 

it's a wonder the score was what it was.

 

They gave up that many points to the Cardinals and let Tim Rattay throw for a TD.

They played a bad team and got them to make a few mistakes. Way to try and talk up a D that gave up 31 points.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

meh...31-21...so what.

 

You sure thumped your chest a bit going into this game...now that they lost...

meh?

 

Yup...I sense the swamp dog exit will be coming up in a few weeks (now that the tougher part of the schedule is about to start).

[Durtee 0]

They gave up that many points to the Cardinals and let Tim Rattay throw for a TD.

They played a bad team and got them to make a few mistakes. Way to try and talk up a D that gave up 31 points.

 

 

The offense had 5 turnovers. I think that 4 of them were in their own territory too. Offense fkd the defense, but Fitzgerald owned them as well.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The offense had 5 turnovers. I think that 4 of them were in their own territory too. Offense fkd the defense, but Fitzgerald owned them as well.

 

I agree the offense did them no favors...but this defense is not that good. Average at best, and I think below average.

They have benefited and taken advantage of 4 games against bad QBs. They have given up alot of points this year as well. Its not just a one game thing.

[swamp dog 0]

just to be sure: sho, i have you on ignore and have had you on ignore for months. not sure what you're posting and maybe you're not even posting anything concerning me or my posts, but i'll put that lawyer's note out there just in case you're wasting your breath

[swamp dog 0]

The offense had 5 turnovers. I think that 4 of them were in their own territory too. Offense fkd the defense, but Fitzgerald owned them as well.

 

true. they're going to be fine. rod's really done a nice job in a very short period of time. i didn't expect they'd be this far along this year. kudos all the way around. ford field will be rocking the next 11 days

[Sho Nuff 720]

just to be sure: sho, i have you on ignore and have had you on ignore for months. not sure what you're posting and maybe you're not even posting anything concerning me or my posts, but i'll put that lawyer's note out there just in case you're wasting your breath

 

Just to be sure swamp...I don't give a rat's ass if you are ignoring me or not.

It will not stop me from pointing out your ignorance and hypocrisy on this board.

[Sho Nuff 720]

true. they're going to be fine. rod's really done a nice job in a very short period of time. i didn't expect they'd be this far along this year. kudos all the way around. ford field will be rocking the next 11 days

 

They are going to be fine?

Giving up 31 to Arizona (one of the lone remaining weak teams on that schedule)?

Keep living in denial...you would think as a Lions' fan you would be used to disappointment.

[kwhiz73 0]

We'll know (or be reminded again) what kind of team the Lion's have when they play the Giants next weekend.

 

Playing on the road against any NFL team is tough. Drawing definitive conclusions about this team based on the Arizona game doesn't make any more sense than drawing a defintive conclusion based on their first 8 games.

 

 

The Lion's have the schedule during the second half of the season to answer the question of whether or not they deserve to be a playoff team. I said awhile back that this Arizona game was big...and necessary for them to go 10-6. I believe 9-7 and a wild card is about the best case scenario at this point, and I'd be thrilled to death with that result. We can debate al day about where the Lion's are in the NFL power rankings, but I don't think there's any doubt in anyone's mind the Lion's are finally moving in the right direction. That in itself is exciting enough for most of us long time fans. A playoff game would be icing on the cake.

[donhaas 19]

We can debate al day about where the Lion's are in the NFL power rankings, but I don't think there's any doubt in anyone's mind the Lion's are finally moving in the right direction.

 

If by "moving in the right direction" you mean they won't be using a top-five pick to draft a wide reciever for the 7th year in a row for 2008, I have to agree with you.

 

Kitna is two or three years younger than Favre and not that good to begin with, the offensive line is terrible, the running game is non-existent, and the defense is terrible..

 

Besides that, things are looking up for Detroit, but it's entirely possible that after so many years expecations are a little low

[kwhiz73 0]

If by "moving in the right direction" you mean they won't be using a top-five pick to draft a wide reciever for the 7th year in a row for 2008, I have to agree with you.

 

Kitna is two or three years younger than Favre and not that good to begin with, the offensive line is terrible, the running game is non-existent, and the defense is terrible..

 

Besides that, things are looking up for Detroit, but it's entirely possible that after so many years expecations are a little low

 

Kitna has enough years for the Lion's to make a playoff run or two. Not every team is fortunate enough to have a QB like Favre for 20 years. Perhaps Green Bay's record over the last 15-20 years would look like the Lions without him.

 

The defense is average--not great--not bad. Still leads the league in take aways I believe. Of course if you are the type to only look at yards allowed per game to determine the quality of D--then go ahead.

 

The running game and offensive line are both inconsistent. Big difference between "non-existent" and inconsistent. Both have been actually very good at times, and unfortunately very bad at times.

 

I stand by my prediction for 9 wins--which incidently begins with a big win vs. GreenBay on Thanksgiving (I believe the Lions will come up short against the Giants unfortunately between now and then). I suppose we can revisit the offensive line, running game, and defense stats after the game

[Sho Nuff 720]

Kitna has enough years for the Lion's to make a playoff run or two. Not every team is fortunate enough to have a QB like Favre for 20 years. Perhaps Green Bay's record over the last 15-20 years would look like the Lions without him.

 

The defense is average--not great--not bad. Still leads the league in take aways I believe. Of course if you are the type to only look at yards allowed per game to determine the quality of D--then go ahead.

 

The running game and offensive line are both inconsistent. Big difference between "non-existent" and inconsistent. Both have been actually very good at times, and unfortunately very bad at times.

 

I stand by my prediction for 9 wins--which incidently begins with a big win vs. GreenBay on Thanksgiving (I believe the Lions will come up short against the Giants unfortunately between now and then). I suppose we can revisit the offensive line, running game, and defense stats after the game

 

Yards...points...and what they have done when not playing against Griese, Jackson, and Ramsey.

 

Agreed they are inconsistent...one game Jones looks very good and they stick with it...the next he has 4 carries and negative yards.

I think the line has been consistent in one phase...allowing Kitna to be hit and sacked.

 

I still don't like the Thanksgiving game with the Packers...something about playing on that Thursday has not fared well for the Packers...but this may be a different team...they don't seem to let anything bother them. And the defense is playing very well.

[donhaas 19]

Kitna has enough years for the Lion's to make a playoff run or two. Not every team is fortunate enough to have a QB like Favre for 20 years. Perhaps Green Bay's record over the last 15-20 years would look like the Lions without him.

 

The defense is average--not great--not bad. Still leads the league in take aways I believe. Of course if you are the type to only look at yards allowed per game to determine the quality of D--then go ahead.

 

The running game and offensive line are both inconsistent. Big difference between "non-existent" and inconsistent. Both have been actually very good at times, and unfortunately very bad at times.

 

I stand by my prediction for 9 wins--which incidently begins with a big win vs. GreenBay on Thanksgiving (I believe the Lions will come up short against the Giants unfortunately between now and then). I suppose we can revisit the offensive line, running game, and defense stats after the game

 

Just giving you some general grief...

 

I like what the Lions have done and where they are going...took them awhile but it looks like they're going to do it...

 

Kitna is my QB for better or for worse so I have to kind of root for them, anyway

 

Looking forward to the upcoming GB/Det matchups...

[kwhiz73 0]

Just giving you some general grief...

 

I like what the Lions have done and where they are going...took them awhile but it looks like they're going to do it...

 

Kitna is my QB for better or for worse so I have to kind of root for them, anyway

 

Looking forward to the upcoming GB/Det matchups...

 

 

Yeah should be a great game. I live in Nothern MI so we have plenty of Packer fans around as well. Hopefully the Lions can knock off the Giants next weekend--would make the game even better.

[nobody 2,889]

They were up 23-0 in the 3rd qtr and threw a 49yd TD then up by 37-0 they ran in another.

Probably becasue Lions fans aren't bitches.

[Cruzer 1,996]

too lazy to read thru a long lions thread.

 

but can we finally admit the lions are pretenders, as well as the suckskins? thanks.

[kwhiz73 0]

too lazy to read thru a long lions thread.

 

but can we finally admit the lions are pretenders, as well as the suckskins? thanks.

 

Understand how'd you would feel that way in regards to the Lions. I have to admit that the Arizona game brought back some strong "Fire Millen" nostalgia. This up and down season has been tough as hell as a fan. Its hard sometimes to comprehend a 6-3 record and question its validity. Crazy thing is....

 

Lions could actually play this Sunday and beat the Giants. That brings us to a very interesting home thanksgiving game against the Packers.

 

I'll take it.

[donhaas 19]

Bottom line: The Detroit D has played below-average to average against some below-average offenses (TB, Oak), wonderful against some crappy back-up QB’s and World League quarterback Tavaris, and just completely horrible against Was (5-3) and Phi (3-5).

 

5th to last in the NFL in total defense; 10th to last in points allowed.

And they have yet to play a good offense this year (like most teams have many times) to distort those stats further.

 

Not sold yet.

 

[donhaas 19]

There really is no room for packer fans to thump their chests about their team and dismiss the lions (essentially) in the same breath...

 

Nall, B. Jackson, R. Martin, K. Robinson, and a bunch of third stringers just tore your first stringers a new one....

 

I'll bump this one more time in April when you're back from tucking in your son and touting Detroit's newest receiver and awesome draft

[The Hood 9]

that and they have one of the better d-lines in the league

 

an important point for all of their haters out there who think their defense blows.

And they end up the worst Defense in the NFL. The most points and yards given up by far.

[JGB_11 0]

Nall, B. Jackson, R. Martin, K. Robinson, and a bunch of third stringers just tore your first stringers a new one....

 

I'll bump this one more time in April when you're back from tucking in your son and touting Detroit's newest receiver and awesome draft

 

[swamp dog 0]

lions finish ahead of--and the kick the ass of--da bearsz!

 

now onto more important things: the red wings and tigers and mr. cabrera and all the de-troit sports teams

 

poor, pecker fans: what will they do after green bay plays one more game...next year's a loooonggggg way away

[JGB_11 0]

lions finish ahead of--and the kick the ass of--da bearsz!

 

now onto more important things: the red wings and tigers and mr. cabrera and all the de-troit sports teams

 

poor, pecker fans: what will they do after green bay plays one more game...next year's a loooonggggg way away

(6-2) + (1-7)

 

Thats embarrasing.....

[swamp dog 0]

(6-2) + (1-7)

 

Thats embarrasing.....

 

if you say so. who are you again?

[JGB_11 0]

if you say so. who are you again?

 

Are you guy who isn't coming back to FFToday because you were tucking in your son???????

 

Oh yeah thats right you have problems.

[The Hood 9]

lions finish ahead of--and the kick the ass of--da bearsz!

 

7-9 = 7-9