MLCKAA 573 Posted September 5, 2008 Obama abandoned his Seante seat almost as soon as he got it. If he's really in favor of ending "politics as usual" and making Washington accountable, then why doesn't he finish out his term. This is his first freaking term. Unlike Palin, no one came and ASKED Obama to run for the white house. The people who invested a senatorial vote in Obama deserve to get a 6 year term out of him. He claims to care so much about his constituency. I have no qualms with McCain or Biden leaving behind a seat to run, because they've gotten past their first term. Obama barely got past his first year. The people of his district were cheated and hornswoggled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MedStudent 56 Posted September 5, 2008 Obama abandoned his Seante seat almost as soon as he got it. If he's really in favor of ending "politics as usual" and making Washington accountable, then why doesn't he finish out his term. This is his first freaking term. Unlike Palin, no one came and ASKED Obama to run for the white house. The people who invested a senatorial vote in Obama deserve to get a 6 year term out of him. He claims to care so much about his constituency. I have no qualms with McCain or Biden leaving behind a seat to run, because they've gotten past their first term. Obama barely got past his first year. The people of his district were cheated and hornswoggled. The people of his state would probably rather have him as president than as senator. I don't hear too many people from Illinois complaning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted September 5, 2008 Just playing debbil's advocate, but McCain's got like one of the WORST voting records for years now. BoMamma's sucks too. Mostly because he's continually running (and failing) for POTUS. Wouldn't you feel just as cheated if your 5th term Senator didn't show up to work as your 1st? Frankly, I think anyone who choose to run should have to give up their office and have the Governor select an alternate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLCKAA 573 Posted September 5, 2008 The people of his state would probably rather have him as president than as senator. I don't hear too many people from Illinois complaning. Maybe someone should start asking them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLCKAA 573 Posted September 5, 2008 Just playing debbil's advocate, but McCain's got like one of the WORST voting records for years now. BoMamma's sucks too. Mostly because he's continually running (and failing) for POTUS. Wouldn't you feel just as cheated if your 5th term Senator didn't show up to work as your 1st? Frankly, I think anyone who choose to run should have to give up their office and have the Governor select an alternate. Regarding a 5th term guy vs. a 1st term guy, no I wouldn't feel the same. When the 1st term guy ditches out on his elected office, it tells me he's a powermonger who used the office as a stepping stone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TylerRoseFan 16 Posted September 5, 2008 I think the senators running for POTUS and whatnot should have to forfeit their salaries while running. Hell, it's not like they are doing their job, why should we pay them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TylerRoseFan 16 Posted September 5, 2008 Frankly, I think anyone who choose to run should have to give up their office and have the Governor select an alternate. Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted September 5, 2008 Maybe someone should start asking them. I live in IL and would rather him as president. Especially since our other senator, Durbin, is already one of the most powerful Senators in Congress. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted September 5, 2008 Regarding a 5th term guy vs. a 1st term guy, no I wouldn't feel the same. When the 1st term guy ditches out on his elected office, it tells me he's a powermonger who used the office as a stepping stone. Why does everything have to be around Hillary Clinton around here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted September 5, 2008 Regarding a 5th term guy vs. a 1st term guy, no I wouldn't feel the same. When the 1st term guy ditches out on his elected office, it tells me he's a powermonger who used the office as a stepping stone. The Clown started running for POTUS 140 days into his first term............after admitting he didn't have enough experience to run for POTUS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted September 5, 2008 Frankly, I think anyone who choose to run should have to give up their office and have the Governor select an alternate. I thought your position was that Governors didn't make real decisions..........or is that just for Rep Governors from Alaska? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 5, 2008 mccain's missing a lot of things...dark hair, teeth, memory... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TylerRoseFan 16 Posted September 5, 2008 The people of his state would probably rather have him as president than as senator. I don't hear too many people from Illinois complaning. Why, so that he/she can make decisions that benefit the state over the rest of the country...kinda like a special interest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted September 5, 2008 The Clown started running for POTUS 140 days into his first term............after admitting he didn't have enough experience to run for POTUS. He didn't start running until 2 years after he was senator. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted September 5, 2008 He didn't start running until 2 years after he was senator. He spent exactly 140 in the Senate chamber before making his announcement. ETA: And he voted "PRESENT" 129 times in that 140 days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted September 5, 2008 He spent exactly 140 in the Senate chamber before making his announcement. ETA: And he voted "PRESENT" 129 times in that 140 days. Thats not what you said. You were wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted September 5, 2008 Thats not what you said. You were wrong. Yep, I phrased it wrong. It was a whole 140 days in the chamber with 129 "Present" votes. ETA: Video of him saying he won't run in '08. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bdb_1207434986 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ERZER 0 Posted September 5, 2008 I think the senators running for POTUS and whatnot should have to forfeit their salaries while running. Hell, it's not like they are doing their job, why should we pay them? Very well put. Isn't this similar to an employee searching for another job rather than doing their work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted September 5, 2008 Yep, I phrased it wrong. It was a whole 140 days in the chamber with 129 "Present" votes. ETA: Video of him saying he won't run in '08. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bdb_1207434986 no you were wrong. It was not 140 days into his term. It was well over 700 days into his term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted September 5, 2008 Very well put. Isn't this similar to an employee searching for another job rather than doing their work? Doesn't every member of Congress spend a significant portion of their time shilling for re-election money? Particularly in the House, with 2 year terms, they are pretty much always running for re-election. I don't see much difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted September 5, 2008 I thought your position was that Governors didn't make real decisions..........or is that just for Rep Governors from Alaska? Never stated that. For example, Palin decided to abandon her tarded kid & pregnant daughter to gallavant across the country with some perverted dude just a little bit older than Anna Nicole's Husband. I'm not saying it's a GOOD decision mind you, but it's a REAL decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLCKAA 573 Posted September 5, 2008 He spent exactly 140 in the Senate chamber before making his announcement. ETA: And he voted "PRESENT" 129 times in that 140 days. If you subtract the days when the Senate was not in session and subtract the days he did not attend session the Obama has served 145 days in the Senate. By the same calculation, McCain has served 2,000 days in the Senate. I think this is where you are getting the 140 number, but I just wanted to clarify where that number comes from. He was sworn into the Senate in 2005 and did not announce his POTUS candidacy until some time in 2007. Regardless, your point is well taken that he has barely even served as a Senator. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted September 5, 2008 Very well put. Isn't this similar to an employee searching for another job rather than doing their work? ....Let's not go there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted September 5, 2008 Yep, I phrased it wrong. It was a whole 140 days in the chamber with 129 "Present" votes. ETA: Video of him saying he won't run in '08. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bdb_1207434986 You are wrong again. Never voted present in the US senate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 5, 2008 know why the gops don't go there? two words: sarah. palin. she's skipping out on her term in polar bear land, too. end of thread. move along now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,086 Posted September 5, 2008 Doesn't every member of Congress spend a significant portion of their time shilling for re-election money? Particularly in the House, with 2 year terms, they are pretty much always running for re-election. I don't see much difference. Psst. titan, they have 4 year terms. Just sayin' Your political analysis is dead to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted September 5, 2008 Psst. titan, they have 4 year terms. Just sayin' Your political analysis is dead to me fail. just saying. Its two years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted September 5, 2008 You are wrong again. Never voted present in the US senate. My bad. It was the IL Senate where he would vote "present" when he thought the bill was unconstitutional. Why he didn't have the nutz to vote "no" when he thought something was unconstitutions escapes me. He changed his tactic once he got to DC. He decided to just skip a large portion of those Senate votes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetxstang 0 Posted September 5, 2008 He decided to just skip a large portion of those Senate votes. John McSame leads missed votes by Senate members. John McSame ------------------- Votes: 407 votes missed (63.8%), 231 votes cast Barack Obama -------------------- Votes: 290 votes missed (45.5%), 348 votes cast Linkage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted September 5, 2008 John McSame leads missed votes by Senate members. John McSame ------------------- Votes: 407 votes missed (63.8%), 231 votes cast Barack Obama -------------------- Votes: 290 votes missed (45.5%), 348 votes cast Linkage McCain missing votes doesn't change the fact Obama is on video admitting he is too inexperienced to be running for President in '08. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 5, 2008 John McSame leads missed votes by Senate members. John McSame ------------------- Votes: 407 votes missed (63.8%), 231 votes cast Barack Obama -------------------- Votes: 290 votes missed (45.5%), 348 votes cast Linkage nor does it change the fact obama is going to be the next president. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLCKAA 573 Posted September 5, 2008 know why the gops don't go there? two words: sarah. palin. she's skipping out on her term in polar bear land, too. end of thread. move along now. Sorry, but that ends nothing. Palin didn't seek out a higher office, she was ASKED to serve as VP. Obama ditched his senate gig, almost as soon as he got there. Clearly, he never intended to be the Senator people thought they were electing. Those people have been sold out by Obama so that he can further his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BudBro 181 Posted September 5, 2008 nor does it change the fact obama is going to be the next president. sd, why would you be voting for obama? the real reason. on the issues, he's empty and brings little to the table. why would you want that in the white house? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 5, 2008 sd, why would you be voting for obama? the real reason. on the issues, he's empty and brings little to the table. why would you want that in the white house? pump your brakes, kid, you're talking to a guy who voted for reagan, bush sr, and bush jr (once). there are a lot of reasons i'm voting for obama. is he perfect? no. he's human, like all of them. but... --the last 8 years have been some of the biggest and most disgraceful years in our country's history. and there's no focking way in hell i'm going to vote for any republican who has been sitting on his ass for 26 years and voting with bush 90 percent of the time the past 8 years and who just a month ago got all concerned about about our dependence on oil. --the savings and loan scandal and mccain's part in that (and a big part it was). --the fact that there isn't a new idea in mccain's head and even in his latest speech he did nothing but trot out tired bush lines, phrases, and policies. --health care. you can argue that the government shouldn't be involved but the raping of american people by drug companies and the exorbitant cost of health care has got to stop. and, sorry, a few token tax credits are an insulting bandage on the gaping problem. --unions. i'm a union guy (which hasn't stopped me from voting republican in the past). but i'm sick and focking tired of old, rich, white guy asshats like mccain laying all the blame for our economic woes on unions. sick of it! fock THEM! christ, i thought after listening to him frothing at the mouth last night about unions that i was going to get rounded up by his thugs like a jew or something. sorry, he can suck my big, fat d!ck. --change. the only "change" person out there is obama. will his plans work? he deserves the chance. we sure as fock know the bush plans--which mccain parrots to a tee--aren't worth a flying fock. tax companies that ship jobs overseas? hell yeah! the ivy-league economists and fat cats can whine about it and get out their pie charts and graphs, but enough! it's time the american people stopped subsidizing greedy corporations who'd just as soon put a boot on your throat as look at you. i've got a lot more reasons why. you go grab a case of snickers and tell me when you're ready. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 5, 2008 Sorry, but that ends nothing. Palin didn't seek out a higher office, she was ASKED to serve as VP. Obama ditched his senate gig, almost as soon as he got there. Clearly, he never intended to be the Senator people thought they were electing. Those people have been sold out by Obama so that he can further his career. what? she couldn't say no? she certainly seems like she has a spine. give me a focking break. you'll have to do better than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted September 5, 2008 voting with bush 90 percent of the time the past 8 years Wow! Bush gets to vote in the Senate? Cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 5, 2008 and a lot of folks out there apparently think the way i do: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/5...6667/600/588253 the polls that show this race as being close are horseshit. obama's going to blow him out in the electoral. fock the popular vote (ask al gore about that). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 5, 2008 Wow! Bush gets to vote in the Senate? Cool. you flunked government, i see. we have a thing called a "president"...this president person can, through his/her own efforts and proxy, promote legislation that he/she wants congress to enact into law. but being the gop you are, you really think people are stupid enough to say "oh, okay, i see: bush can't technically vote so mccain hasn't technically ever sided with bush or any of his ideas." let me guess: you're also thinking hillary supporters are all going to vote for palin because palin doesn't have a ######, right? of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted September 5, 2008 and a lot of folks out there apparently think the way i do: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/5...6667/600/588253 the polls that show this race as being close are horseshit. obama's going to blow him out in the electoral. fock the popular vote (ask al gore about that). Not sure aligning yourself with the whackjobs at the dailykos helps your case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 5, 2008 Not sure aligning yourself with the whackjobs at the dailykos helps your case. maybe i should be listening to that fat fock criminal karl rove and fox news instead? save your lectures. jesus christ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites