ACORN registers teenager 73 times.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

More crimes by Obama cronies.

 

Teenager Freddie Johnson said he was offered smokes and dollar bills to fill out voter registration cards.

 

And now the Cuyahoga County Elections Board has 73 cards with Johnson's name on them.

 

Johnson and another prolific registrant were subpoenaed to testify at a meeting Monday as the Elections Board continued its look at possible fraud by ACORN, a national organization that tries to get low- and moderate-income people to register. ACORN's methods have drawn interest in a number of states this presidential election year.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/....xml&coll=2

[posty 2,696]

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=328192

[Recliner Pilot 61]

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=328192

 

Sorry dood. It's hard to keep track of all the crimes by Obama cronies. I see the Obamabots totally ignored that thread just as they have the others outlining these crimes.

[posty 2,696]

Sorry dood. It's hard to keep track of all the crimes by Obama cronies. I see the Obamabots totally ignored that thread just as they have the others outlining these crimes.

 

Oh no problem, but I agree... It is tough to keep track of everything...

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I saw an ACORN official on CNN the other day. She said they take, and turn in, ANY application submitted to them. Then, the appropriate officials reject the bogus ones, as they did with Mickey Mouse in Florida.

 

That is not fraud, nor a crime. I imagine there was some kind of giveaway involved to register people, or just some smartasss kid filled it out.

 

Oh, and BTW, Obama ≠ ACORN. Nice try though.

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So what if he filled out 73 registrations---besides the fact that it's kind of sad he has nothing better to do? Really considering how badly Ohio did in the last election, I would just say he's being on the safe side-

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Oh, and BTW, Obama ≠ ACORN. Nice try though.

 

Your total lack of knowledge when it comes to anything political continues to amaze. You should just keep your head in the sand when it comes to these crimes if the best ya got is to say Obama isn't involved with ACORN

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Your total lack of knowledge when it comes to anything political continues to amaze. You should just keep your head in the sand when it comes to these crimes if the best ya got is to say Obama isn't involved with ACORN

 

He was their lawyer way back in the day. So friggin what. If every lawyer was held accountable for their former client's actions, we'd all be in trouble.

 

And he worked with them in Chicago way back. So?

 

You keep referring to CRIMES. CRIMES require PROOF, which you, or anyone else, has none. Is it likely that these yahoos are fairly shady? Sure.

 

Is Obama involved? I highly doubt it. These Acorn idiots are doing nothing but causing him grief. Why would he help? (Particularly since he is up 10 points and all).

 

You and others have been slinging mud and screaming SCANDAL for over a year now, and have come up with a whole bunch of nothing. Give it up and get a life already.

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He was their lawyer way back in the day.

 

Do some research, Sonny.

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Do some research, Sonny.

I'll take Obama's word over your word any day of the week.

 

• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN community organizer.

• Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.

• Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.

 

In his capacity as an attorney, Barack represented ACORN in a successful lawsuit alongside the U.S. Department of Justice against the state of Illinois to force state compliance with a federal voting access law. For his work helping enforce the law, called “Motor Voter,” Barack received the IVI-IPO Legal Eagle Award in 1995.

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/20/acornrumor

 

Also, if you can show any link between registration fraud and fraudulent ballots actually being cast on Election Day, let me know. Until then, be quiet.

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Which brings us to Mr. Obama, who got his start as a Chicago "community organizer" at Acorn's side. In 1992 he led voter registration efforts as the director of Project Vote, which included Acorn. This past November, he lauded Acorn's leaders for being "smack dab in the middle" of that effort. Mr. Obama also served as a lawyer for Acorn in 1995, in a case against Illinois to increase access to the polls.

 

During his tenure on the board of Chicago's Woods Fund, that body funneled more than $200,000 to Acorn. More recently, the Obama campaign paid $832,000 to an Acorn affiliate. The campaign initially told the Federal Election Commission this money was for "staging, sound, lighting." It later admitted the cash was to get out the vote

 

The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn, claiming Mr. Obama never organized with it and has nothing to do with illegal voter registration. Yet it's disingenuous to channel cash into an operation with a history of fraud and then claim you're shocked to discover reports of fraud. As with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, Mr. Obama was happy to associate with Acorn when it suited his purposes. But now that he's on the brink of the Presidency, he wants to disavow his ties.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1223940510...emEditorialPage

[FranksTanks 0]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1223940510...emEditorialPage

 

WSJ...... EDITORIAL......... OPINION............................

 

Word of advice, don't copy what Posty does.

[posty 2,696]

WSJ...... EDITORIAL......... OPINION............................

 

Word of advice, don't copy what Posty does.

 

Oh that's right, it isn't at CNN or MSNBC, so it can't be true...

[Snoopy1 0]

Also, if you can show any link between registration fraud and fraudulent ballots actually being cast on Election Day, let me know. Until then, be quiet.

 

 

Oh yeah, I'm sure that will shut up RP....

[KSB2424 3,148]

WSJ...... EDITORIAL......... OPINION

Of course it is.

 

However the point is that just because Obama (and/or his camp) denies a report or trys to distance themselves does not mean it is so. Of course they are now going to deny any involvment at all. The fact that some (not all) of you just take his word for it is astonishing. Maybe his involvment is overblown by the right, which is very probable. However in this day in age where every little thing is looked over with a fine tooth comb like "troopergate" and even stupid stuff like McCains divorce and subsequent re-marriage, you would think something like this would get more publicity and serious attention than it does.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Of course it is.

 

However the point is that just because Obama (and/or his camp) denies a report or trys to distance themselves does not mean it is so. Of course they are now going to deny any involvment at all. The fact that some (not all) of you just take his word for it is astonishing. Maybe his involvment is overblown by the right, which is very probable. However in this day in age where every little thing is looked over with a fine tooth comb like "troopergate" and even stupid stuff like McCains divorce and subsequent re-marriage, you would think something like this would get more publicity and serious attention than it does.[/b]

 

I'm sure that if there were a shred of evidence to support any of it, other than RP and his buddes jerking off to a Reagen photo posting on blogs in their mother's basement, the Press would report it.

 

Since there hasn't been ANY report of any wrongdoings AT ALL, I tend to suspect that it is just more Republican Smear tactics fear mongering garbage. But what the fock else is new. I'm just glad to see that its not working this time. (And its driving them focking nuts, as this board exhibits)

[FranksTanks 0]

Of course it is.

 

However the point is that just because Obama (and/or his camp) denies a report or trys to distance themselves does not mean it is so. Of course they are now going to deny any involvment at all. The fact that some (not all) of you just take his word for it is astonishing. Maybe his involvment is overblown by the right, which is very probable. However in this day in age where every little thing is looked over with a fine tooth comb like "troopergate" and even stupid stuff like McCains divorce and subsequent re-marriage, you would think something like this would get more publicity and serious attention than it does.

 

Maybe you're right and maybe someone's editorial knows something that others don't. Look I'm not saying that ACORN doesn't have some sort of favoritism towards Obama, but that doesn't mean he's out there signing up 75 micky mouses or whatever. Like Ayers, I just don't see any sort of direct connection that shows any wrong doing from Obama himself. I don't see this a reflection of Obama's character. Hell, McCain attended an ACORN rally back in 2006 but I'm not going to start a guilt by association thread because its silly.

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Since there hasn't been ANY report of any wrongdoings AT ALL,

 

Holy shiat you are focking funny.

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Buckeye Institute Files State Rico Action Against ACORN

posted October 14, 2008

 

 

COLUMBUS - The Buckeye Institute, a Columbus-based think tank, today filed a state RICO action against the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) on behalf of two Warren County voters. The action filed in Warren County Court of Common Pleas alleges ACORN has engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity that amounts to organized crime. It seeks ACORN's dissolution as a legal entity, the revocation of any licenses in Ohio, and an injunction against fraudulent voter registration and other illegal activities.

 

Plaintiffs Jennifer Miller of Mason, Ohio and Kimberly Grant of Loveland, allege that ACORN's actions deprive them of the right to participate in an honest and effective elections process. They allege fraudulent voter registrations submitted by ACORN dilute the votes of legally registered voters.

 

"The right to cast a vote that is not diluted by fraudulent votes is a fundamental individual right," Buckeye Institute President David Hansen said.

 

"ACORN appears to be recklessly disregarding Ohio laws and adding thousands of fraudulent voters to the state's roles in the process," Maurice Thompson, Director of the Buckeye Institute's 1851 Center for Constitutional Law said. "Such voter fraud erodes the value of legally cast votes," he added.

 

In the complaint, Thompson cites an accumulation of evidence showing numerous instances of admitted fraud by ACORN employees, as well as individuals solicited by ACORN.

 

"In light of its hiring, training and compensation practices, ACORN should have known its conduct would cause fraud," Thompson said. "It also should know that its conduct will cause fraud in the future."

 

In addition, the complaint cites conduct by ACORN in Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

 

A full copy of the complaint is available online at http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/acorn.pdf.

 

The Buckeye Institute for Public Policy Solutions, together with its 1851 Center for Constitutional Law, is a nonpartisan research and educational institute devoted to individual liberty, economic freedom, personal responsibility and limited government in Ohio.

 

 

http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/article/1207

[peenie 1,915]

i'm not reading your replies or going to the link. what focking difference does it make if he's got a billion registration cards? he can only vote once! damn.

[KSB2424 3,148]

what focking difference does it make

 

- danger that Election Day could become a real mess because of the applications turned in for registration of people who are not entitled to vote.

- it takes up valuable time and resources

- if this is a close election and if one side believes it has been cheated. (see 2000)

- common sense - if it made no impact ACORN would not make such an effort

 

ETA: Also some of these "polls" may be skewed because of ACORNS shenanigans. Of course a dead person or focking Micky Mouse cannot be polled, but the problem is the weighting that the pollsters apply after the calls are made. The pollster will ascertain the actual registration of the people polled, then “weight” the results based on the registration numbers for that region.

 

Weighting is legitimate for small samples since a random calling campaign is not likely to contact people in the same ratio as the registration or the voting patterns. The weighting is an attempt to restore reality without having to collect huge numbers of samples

 

They probably estimate “likely voters” based on the ratio of registration vs. actual votes from prior elections. Thus, the fraudulent registrations could pump up that figure as well.

[wiffleball 4,790]

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=328192

 

How many times have these boneheads posted the same shiit over and over again? That's what I like about Palin - even though she's been totally cocooned from the media she STILL manages to come up with new material.

 

 

And uh guys? Unless they find a way to get this kid to magically show up at the polling place and somehow fool the voting officials 70+ times, it's a non-story.

- Which is the part that shows you guys are either incredibly stupid, or just pathetically desperate. - Or possibly just starved for attention.

 

[DanXIII 8]

- danger that Election Day could become a real mess because of the applications turned in for registration of people who are not entitled to vote.

- it takes up valuable time and resources

- if this is a close election and if one side believes it has been cheated. (see 2000)

- common sense - if it made no impact ACORN would not make such an effort

 

You make the assumption that ACORN, as an organization, is actively trying to register people multiple times. You have no basis in fact to make such an assumption. Not even the 1000 ACORN posts have been able to link ACORN in any way from an organizational standpoint.

 

From my understanding, ACORN has been paying their independent reps to register voters. While this is an idiotic way to do business that no doubt has led to fraud on the part of its agents, it doesn't necessarily implicate ACORN directly as an organization.

 

I am still unconcerned about this from an election-outcome perspective. They could register the same guy 7300 times, he still can only vote once.

 

If someone is breaking the law then hopefully they will be caught and punished. It sounds more like this guy ripped off ACORN than anything else.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Johnson, 19, said he mostly was trying to help ACORN workers who begged him to sign up because they needed to keep their jobs.

 

"They'd come up with a sob story why they needed the signature," said Johnson, of Garfield Heights.

 

ACORN leaders have acknowledged that workers paid by the hour were given quotas to fill.

 

Board member Sandy McNair said ACORN did not do a competent job carrying out its business plan. Members, in fact, said little about ACORN. And they turned their investigation over to the county sheriff and prosecutor.

 

A second person to testify, Christopher Barkley, 33, said ACORN workers pestered him while they tried to gather signatures.

 

Barkley, of Cleveland, said he was homeless and reading a book on Public Square when he signed some of the 13 cards that contain his name. He filled out cards - with his mother's house or workplace as the address - to help workers stay employed.

 

"Me being a kind-hearted person, I said 'Yeah,' " Barkley recalled.

 

 

If anything, it's pretty obvious ACORN's the one getting scammed here. The lower-income blacks that they hire for this shiit ain't too bright - and aren't above scamming their bosses. It seesm pretty obvious that when it counts - 11/4 - these two cats won't even show UP to vote. - Non story.

 

Seriously, what you guys need to do is find ACORN doing a massive effort to send living people with fake ID's on election day. THAT would be the story. But, seeing as how you can't vote without ID - and these jokers are collecting these forms just to get paid - it's stretches the very boundaries of "voter fraud" when no extra votes get cast as a result of it. If anything, it's "employee fraud".

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LMAO at the Obamabots saying there is nothing wrong with this, just wait until election day to see if any shenanigans goes on. By that time it would be too late.

 

I'm sure you guys would say the same thing if some right-wing organization was running a systematic, nationwide vote fraud scheme.

[DanXIII 8]

LMAO at the Obamabots saying there is nothing wrong with this, just wait until election day to see if any shenanigans goes on. By that time it would be too late.

 

I'm not sure at whom this was directed. If it was me, please point to where I said "there is nothing wrong with this." It's a shame that you are forced to exhibit outright stupidity and/or lie to get your point across.

 

I'm sure you guys would say the same thing if some right-wing organization was running a systematic, nationwide vote fraud scheme.

 

Again, you have given zero evidence that it is a "systematic" scheme, but I have long since given up on expecting you to back up anything you say here with actual facts.

[DanXIII 8]

ACORN responds to the partisan efforts to take away voting rights from Americans...part of a letter it has released to the media...

 

"Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field, but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic.

 

Fact: ACORN flags incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in, but these warnings are often ignored by election officials. Often these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards.

 

Fact: Our canvassers are paid by the hour, not by the card, so there is NO incentive for them to falsify cards. ACORN has a zero-tolerance policy for deliberately falsifying registrations, and in the relatively rare cases where our internal quality controls have identified this happening we have fired the workers involved and turned them in to election officials and law-enforcement.

 

Fact: No charges have ever been brought against ACORN itself. Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with our full cooperation, using the evidence obtained through our quality control and verification processes.

 

Fact: Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.

 

Fact: Most election officials have recognized ACORN's good work and praised our quality control systems. Even in the cities where election officials have complained about ACORN, the applications in question represent less than 1% of the thousands and thousands of registrations ACORN has collected.

 

Fact: Our accusers not only fail to provide any evidence, they fail to suggest a motive: there is virtually no chance anyone would be able to vote fraudulently, so there is no reason to deliberately submit phony registrations. ACORN is committed to ensuring that the greatest possible numbers of people are registered and allowed to vote, so there is also NO incentive to "disrupt the system" with phony cards.

 

Fact: Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorneygate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

 

These are the facts, and the truth is that a relatively small group of political operatives are trying to orchestrate hysteria about "voter fraud" and manufacture public outrage that they can use to further suppress the votes of millions of low-income and minority Americans."

 

 

 

And, from a Wall Street Journal article...

 

 

"Acorn is a frequent target of Republican voter-fraud allegations, and it had workers in two states last year convicted of submitting fake registrations. Acorn says it works hard to root out bad apples. A sign at the organization's office here reads: "Anyone committing fraud will be reported to the Bureau of Elections, prosecuted and terminated immediately."

 

Acorn's quality-control manager at the office, Bianca Brown, says employees check each application and have a call center attempt to confirm the information with applicants. She says such reviews caught a person who registered as Batman and another who has tried to register 70 times. Acorn says it has fired about 80 workers in New Mexico since December 2007 over potentially fraudulent registrations.

 

New Mexico law requires Acorn to turn in all applications, no matter how suspicious-looking, within 48 hours. Elections officials do their own quality control on registrations, but Acorn officials say their own process helps the government save time.

 

Acorn workers play down the chances that the problems will result in ineligible voters casting ballots, and experts in the field largely concur. J. Adam Skaggs, counsel with the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, says: "A lot that gets lost in the hysteria of the issue is the fact that the people on those [fraudulent] forms are not showing up to vote.""

 

http://tinyurl.com/4dwjp8

 

Virtually all the "fraudulent" cases, once examined, turn out to be trivial. Lazy workers don't bother to actually canvass but just take names form a phone book. Illegal, but, none of those names are going to vote. People being smarta**es and signing up to vote with stupid names. Again, illegal, but, those folks aren't going to vote, either, and their false registration will almost certainly be discovered, anyway. But, by far, the biggest number of so-called fraudulent registrations are simple human error. An address is written as 116 Park when it should be 161 Park. Or, the name or address is illegible.

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LMAO at the Obamabots saying there is nothing wrong with this, just wait until election day to see if any shenanigans goes on. By that time it would be too late.

 

I'm sure you guys would say the same thing if some right-wing organization was running a systematic, nationwide vote fraud scheme.

Hey, another lying lemming sighting! They've become somewhat rare lately around these parts, due to the rapid decline in the political fortunes of their favorites.

 

Here we have a specimen of the species which is characterized by deceitful claims, dishonesty, inability to distinguish between facts and innuendo, and a tendency to set up strawmen attacks.

 

This particular specimen is somewhat of an outlier, as it lies practically 100% of the time, which is atypical species behavior -- most specimens only deceive between 50% - 75% of the time.