To those who don't understand why so many of us hate organized religion

[listen2me 23 1,952]

Religion blows. We all know this.

[surferskin 31]

You're probably right on that but I'm not sure how that stuff works. Do you automatically lose your Jew card if someone throws holy water on your dead corpse

Mebbe but we're not even talking about corpses here. This basically amounts to mormons praying for names of family members.

[Big Blue 06 196]

I have to agree wtih Wiffle on this one (a rare thing indeed). If a church is actually digging someone up and doing something, then it's wrong and should be stopped. However, if a church is just saying that a person is a certain religion, who focking cares? I would also like to be the grand poobah of some tribe long after I'm dead...how does that affect me in the slightest?

[jerryskids 7,090]

At the risk of beating a dead jew er.... horse, here are my thoughts. I'll keep it simple:

 

- Mormons believe that you can baptize someone into their faith after death, and in doing so reunite them with relatives. This brings happiness to people, so it is a good thing.

 

- Some Jewish relatives may be alive who don't particularly appreciate their relatives being "converted" to LDS. This brings sadness to people, so it is a bad thing. They should be able to stop such conversions. It appears that there is a process in place for this, from what I've read here.

 

- If a random Jewish person objects and it doesn't affect their family, stfu. Do you think God is up in heaven saying, "sorry Seth, gotta kick you out, you just became a Mormon and I hate those mofos"

[Recliner Pilot 61]

- If a random Jewish person objects and it doesn't affect their family, stfu. Do you think God is up in heaven saying, "sorry Seth, gotta kick you out, you just became a Mormon and I hate those mofos"

 

 

Apparently this is what Dave thinks, and is Exhibit A as to why he hates so much.

[wiffleball 4,797]

I have to agree wtih Wiffle on this one (a rare thing indeed).

 

Ya think THAT's rare, hell - RP and I agree on this.

 

Dave's a uniter.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Ya think THAT's rare, hell - RP and I agree on this.

 

Dave's a uniter.

 

I was really hoping nobody would catch that.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

No, this is just another bash religion thread, unless you can explain:

 

How does the Mormon church "trample" and "trump" the religious beliefs of people who have been dead for over 60 years? Are you claiming the souls of those people have been hovering in limbo for this long waiting for what someone in the Mormon church says?

 

Seems to me that those Jews and God would have sorted out their religions standing long ago.

 

Bump to see if Dave The Hater has come up with anything yet.

[davebg 0]

Bump to see if Dave The Hater has come up with anything yet.

OK, I'll play "Lowest Common Denominator" with you one last time on this...then I just go back to ignoring you.

 

Can we agree that people have a right to choose the religion that they are affiliated with and how they wish to live their lives in connection with their religion in this country?

 

If you answered yes, you get a gold star.

 

Now, it seems as if you're saying that if the Mormon church was doing this to living people it would be a problem, but because these people are dead they do not enjoy the same religious protections that the living do. Yet, the 1st Ammendment, which our legal right to freedom of religion is based upon, makes absolutely no mention of said freedoms expiring upon death.

 

Where does the Mormon (or any) church get the right to baptise and "convert" anyone (dead or alive) without their consent?

 

You asked how this trumps or tramples their beliefs. I will give you a simple example. Jews believe that the religion of the mother determines the religion of the child. If a woman is converted away from Judaism there are some sects of Judiasm that would then consider her children to no longer be Jews. Thus, the woman's right to raise Jewish children has been trumped, after the fact, in such a way as she has no recourse to avoid because she's dead.

 

I mean, let's be honest, the Mormon church KNOWS what they're doing is wrong. If it truly was such a blessed event and within the wishes of the person being baptised, then why wouldn't they be doing this to living people? It wouldn't be because living people can speak up and defend themselves and their religious rights, would they?

 

It all boils down to, frankly, your original argument against this thread, which was about how I'm using a wide brush to paint many religions bad over one religion's actions. It all comes down to one thing...mutual repsect and equality. In this case, clearly the Mormon church does NOT respect the religious beliefs of others. If they did, they'd let people rest in peace in the manner that they CHOSE FOR THEMSELVES while among the living.

 

But this is really indicative of the hypocrisy of orgnaized religion as a whole. I will give another example that has recently been in the news...all of the discussion about the Prop 8/anti-gay marriage/adoption measures from this past election day. There have been numerous protests outside of both Mormon and Catholic churches, especially in CA. Both churches have made statements that defend their own members' rights to free speech, which they exercised by supporting these ballot initiative. Then, both of these churches simultaneously are condemning protesters who are exercising those very same free speech rights to make their views on the subject heard. Apparently, the Mormon and Catholic churches fail to see the hypocrisy in invoking the rights afforded to all US citizens, while simultaneously depriving a select group of citizens the same rights that they have.

 

We can also look at the newly passed ballot initiative in Arkansas, which outlawed homosexuals from being able to adopt children. A little fact tidbit to chew on...Arkansas has THREE times as many children in need of a foster/adoptive homes than they have available families to take them. As a result of this proposition being passed there are approximately 400 children who will need to be removed from their current homes. Apparently, these good religious people think that it is better for a child to languish in an overcrowded orphanage, than be placed in a loving home, if that home belongs to a homosexual couple. This despite the fact that there is no evidence of a correlation between the health and well-being of a child and being placed in a homosexual home.

 

The real rub with all of these ballot initiatives? They are all blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The courts have ruled time and again against such things. In fact, the Arkansas adoption rules had been enacted previously and struck down by the Arkansas SC as unconstitutional.

 

Why do these religious groups think that it is OK to impose their own religous views on the general population IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION? Since when do we let "mob rule" trump the Constitution, which is exactly what is happening with these initiatives? If that were the case, some religions, like the Mormons, likely would have been forcefully converted or killed a long time ago. Does nobody see the irony of a group that has relied upon the protections afforded them in the Constituion then turning around and pushing to pass legislation that directly violates the rights afforded to others in the very same Constitution?

[wiffleball 4,797]

OK, I'll play "Lowest Common Denominator" with you one last time on this...then I just go back to ignoring you.

 

Can we agree that people have a right to choose the religion that they are affiliated with and how they wish to live their lives in connection with their religion in this country?

 

If you answered yes, you get a gold star.

 

Now, it seems as if you're saying that if the Mormon church was doing this to living people it would be a problem, but because these people are dead they do not enjoy the same religious protections that the living do. Yet, the 1st Ammendment, which our legal right to freedom of religion is based upon, makes absolutely no mention of said freedoms expiring upon death.

 

For those of you playing the home game, Dave is now advocating for the rights of the dead. The dead should also be able to carry guns and freely assemble. Anybody who's seen night of the living dead, Sean of the Dead, or 28 Days will tell you this is a REALLY BAD idea.

 

Where does the Mormon (or any) church get the right to baptise and "convert" anyone (dead or alive) without their consent?

 

It's so damn hard to get the corpses to sign the release form. The pen keeps sliding out of their bones.

[davebg 0]

For those of you playing the home game, Dave is now advocating for the rights of the dead. The dead should also be able to carry guns and freely assemble. Anybody who's seen night of the living dead, Sean of the Dead, or 28 Days will tell you this is a REALLY BAD idea.

It's so damn hard to get the corpses to sign the release form. The pen keeps sliding out of their bones.

If the religious beliefs of the dead are of so little consequence, then why do people make provisions (while they are still alive) to be buried in cemetaries that cater to specific religions and in accordance with specific religious doctrine?

 

The freedom of religion is one of this country's most closely cherished ideals. It is one of the basic underpinnings of the foundation of our country. Why should the freedom of religion end in death?

 

Does the freedom of speech end in death? Let's say someone writes a book that others do not agree with. The book is not banned because the author fights to protect his freedom of speech. After the author dies the offended group gets the book banned. Just because the author's dead does that mean that this is not censorship and that freedom of speech is not being stifled?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

OK, I'll play "Lowest Common Denominator" with you one last time on this...then I just go back to ignoring you.

 

Can we agree that people have a right to choose the religion that they are affiliated with and how they wish to live their lives in connection with their religion in this country?

 

If you answered yes, you get a gold star.

 

Now, it seems as if you're saying that if the Mormon church was doing this to living people it would be a problem

 

I agree with point #1.

 

I have already posted about point #2, but I will do so again. My religious standing is not affected in any way, shape, matter, or form by the actions of anyone of any other religion. They can all say they have "converted" me to thier religion for all I care. Unless I make the choice it means squat.

 

The actions of some other religion can in no way "trump" or "trample" my religious beliefs.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Why should the freedom of religion end in death?

 

You mean, OTHER than the fact that they are DEAD??

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The freedom of religion is one of this country's most closely cherished ideals. It is one of the basic underpinnings of the foundation of our country. Why should the freedom of religion end in death?

 

 

And yet you hate it. Why do you had one of this country's most cherished ideals?

[Bill E. 703]

It is a great marketing tool for converting live people into their religion. Just convert 100 Billion dead people, then tell new recruits "We have over 100 billion Mormons. How can 100 billion people be wrong?"

 

If dead people can decide to become Mormon they should be allowed to vote. That would be a hell of a Bumper sticker

 

I'm a dead Mormon, and I VOTE

[MedStudent 56]

I do sort of agree with dave. Everyone seems to be bashing him in this thread.

 

If I was dead with no relatives around to give a shiit, I would not want some mormons baptising me or converting me to their religion on principle. Stay the fock away from me. I don't care if they don't touch you or anything. I just want them to leave me the fock alone and not even mention my name. Maybe they would'nt be doing me any harm but its the principle of the thing.

 

Replace mormons with muslims. Would everyone feel the same way?

[davebg 0]

I agree with point #1.

 

I have already posted about point #2, but I will do so again. My religious standing is not affected in any way, shape, matter, or form by the actions of anyone of any other religion. They can all say they have "converted" me to thier religion for all I care. Unless I make the choice it means squat.

 

The actions of some other religion can in no way "trump" or "trample" my religious beliefs.

In your mind, yes, they have not changed your religious affiliation. However, in the eyes of some religions, this would not be the case.

 

In fact, let's look at another example of how the actions and thoughts of others do, in fact, impact one's standing with an orgnaized religion. Many leaders of the Catholic church have essentailly declared that members who support certain stances on social issues are not Catholics and that they should not be allowed to participate in certain religious ceremonies (like when they deny certain rites to politicians who support abortion.) I'm sure that in the minds of said politicians they consider themselves to be good Catholics. Despite that, the Church may not view them as Catholics in good standing.

 

Here's another example. You must be baptised to be considered Catholic (right? I'm no expert on religion.) What if your parents never baptised you? Due to their actions (or lack thereof) wouldn't you be considered to not be a member of the Church by the Church? In your mind, you are a member of the Church, but the actions (or lack thereof) on the part of your parents have made the Church view your status differently. Now, you can change this by getting baptised, but the dead cannot defend themselves so readily.

 

Oh...and since you made such a point to show how I was unfairly showing all religion in a poor light due to the actions of one group, maybe you'd like to respond to all of the other stuff I posted about the hypocrisy of organized religion and how they seek to reduce the protections that some people have under the Constitution while simultaneously hidng behind those very same protections themselves.

[MedStudent 56]

It is a great marketing tool for converting live people into their religion. Just convert 100 Billion dead people, then tell new recruits "We have over 100 billion Mormons. How can 100 billion people be wrong?"

 

If dead people can decide to become Mormon they should be allowed to vote. That would be a hell of a Bumper sticker

 

I'm a dead Mormon, and I VOTE

 

In a hundred years people will believe that millions of mormons were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

[jerryskids 7,090]

You asked how this trumps or tramples their beliefs. I will give you a simple example. Jews believe that the religion of the mother determines the religion of the child. If a woman is converted away from Judaism there are some sects of Judiasm that would then consider her children to no longer be Jews. Thus, the woman's right to raise Jewish children has been trumped, after the fact, in such a way as she has no recourse to avoid because she's dead.

Hmm, hadn't thought of that... OK, I agree with you now. Unless those sects could convert her back to Judaism post-mortem? I have no idea, just asking.

[MLCKAA 586]

This isn't one incident. This is an ongoing, repeated effort on the part of one of the larger, more influencial religious organizations in the world to impose their beliefs upon the dead, who can't defend themselves and their beliefs.

 

How does this impact me? Not directly, but I do have deceased family who lived their lives as Jews. I may think that organized religion is stoopid, but I still respect their right to believe it. Why should any religous organization be able to trample anyone's beliefs like this?

 

I believe you mean "influential"

[wiffleball 4,797]

You asked how this trumps or tramples their beliefs. I will give you a simple example. Jews believe that the religion of the mother determines the religion of the child. If a woman is converted away from Judaism there are some sects of Judiasm that would then consider her children to no longer be Jews. Thus, the woman's right to raise Jewish children has been trumped, after the fact, in such a way as she has no recourse to avoid because she's dead.

 

That's a really stupid point actually. You act as if the Jewish Church would RECOGNIZE the post-mortem "conversion". Find me ONE instance where the Jews have kicked out someone because their dead mother was "baptised" in the Mormon faith. ONE. You won't.

 

READ your own article:

Only the Jews have an agreement with the church limiting who can be baptized, though the agreement covers only Holocaust victims, not all Jewish people.

 

The Jews wouldn't recognize any other baptism. /ova.

[davebg 0]

And yet you hate it. Why do you had one of this country's most cherished ideals?

It's time to stomp out athiests in America. The majority of Americans would love to see athiests kicked out of America. If you don't bleieve in God, then get out of this country.

 

The United States is based on having freedom of religion, speech, etc., which means you can believe in God any way you want (Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, etc.), but you must believe.

 

I don't recall freedom of religion meaning no religion. Our currency even says, "In God We trust." So, to all the athiests in America: Get off of our country.

 

Athiests have caused the ruin of this great nation by taking prayer out of our schools and being able to practice what can only be called evil. I don't care if they have never committed a crime, athiests are the reason crime is rampant.

 

Alice Shannon

Soldotna

http://www.idiotbrain.com/wp-content/atheists.jpg

[Recliner Pilot 61]

In your mind, yes, they have not changed your religious affiliation. However, in the eyes of some religions, this would not be the case.

 

Name the religion that considers your affiliation changed if some 3rd party says your affiliation has changed out of the blue?

 

In fact, let's look at another example of how the actions and thoughts of others do, in fact, impact one's standing with an orgnaized religion. Many leaders of the Catholic church have essentailly declared that members who support certain stances on social issues are not Catholics and that they should not be allowed to participate in certain religious ceremonies (like when they deny certain rites to politicians who support abortion.) I'm sure that in the minds of said politicians they consider themselves to be good Catholics. Despite that, the Church may not view them as Catholics in good standing.

 

You are talking about actions of individuals that are contrary to the teachings of the church they claim to be a member. You are not talking about some distant 3rd party saying 'No matter what you believe, no matter if you adhere to all of YOUR religion's teachings, we say you are one of us"

 

Ever heard the phrase "apples and oranges"?

 

Here's another example. You must be baptised to be considered Catholic (right? I'm no expert on religion.) What if your parents never baptised you? Due to their actions (or lack thereof) wouldn't you be considered to not be a member of the Church by the Church? In your mind, you are a member of the Church, but the actions (or lack thereof) on the part of your parents have made the Church view your status differently. Now, you can change this by getting baptised, but the dead cannot defend themselves so readily.

 

Once again, no 3rd party. It's a question of following the religion you claim to belong to.

 

"apples and oranges"

 

Oh...and since you made such a point to show how I was unfairly showing all religion in a poor light due to the actions of one group, maybe you'd like to respond to all of the other stuff I posted about the hypocrisy of organized religion and how they seek to reduce the protections that some people have under the Constitution while simultaneously hidng behind those very same protections themselves.

 

Exactly what "protections" are you talking about?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Nah...I hate Judaism too. I feel that the notion that people should subscribe to a set of beliefs for no other reason than that's what their parents believed is the product of a small mind.

 

As is thinking its for no other reason than its why their parents believed.

[Sho Nuff 720]

In short, no. Entire lists of names were added, supposedly by rogue church members. The church has promised to clean up their list and "fix" the problem. However, the committe put together to monitor this has met once since its inception in 2005.

 

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church has gone as far as withholding their own member registries from Mormons to prevent this exact same thing from happening en masse to their members.

 

Good...then Im safe from becoming Mormon when Im dead.

Good thing too...I like too many things that the Mormon's frown upon.

[davebg 0]

As is thinking its for no other reason than its why their parents believed.

Really? I don't know what religion you are affiliated with, but are you saying that at some point in your upbringing you were presented with information about other religous beliefs and given a choice?

 

Are you saying that if you had born into, say, a Jewish home that you would have still found your way to, say, Catholicism because you find that you are more inclined to subscribe to their beliefs?

 

Sorry, but I'm going to have to call BULLSH|T on that one, my friend. If the beliefs of one's parents wasn't the overriding reason that someone is affiliated with a particular religion over all others, then the conversion rate between religions would be sky high.

 

Do the beliefs of the home that one is raised in influence the beliefs of the person or do the beliefs of the person influence which religion they subscribe to?

[jjsparty68 0]

In a hundred years people will believe that millions of mormons were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

 

Not too far fetched actually.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Really? I don't know what religion you are affiliated with, but are you saying that at some point in your upbringing you were presented with information about other religous beliefs and given a choice?

 

Are you saying that if you had born into, say, a Jewish home that you would have still found your way to, say, Catholicism because you find that you are more inclined to subscribe to their beliefs?

 

Sorry, but I'm going to have to call BULLSH|T on that one, my friend. If the beliefs of one's parents wasn't the overriding reason that someone is affiliated with a particular religion over all others, then the conversion rate between religions would be sky high.

 

Do the beliefs of the home that one is raised in influence the beliefs of the person or do the beliefs of the person influence which religion they subscribe to?

 

Im saying the reason I am Catholic today is not based in only the reason that I was raised that way.

 

Im saying that I did go through my own search in high school and college and decided I was right where I wanted to be.

And again from choosing a Christian denomination after I married my wife who grew up Baptist/Presbyterian...we again settled on the Catholic Church.

I was given a choice...we can all choose what we want.

The beliefs of my mother were not the only reason (now you change to "overriding").

Does it help to have been raised that way and know more about it than other religions? Sure.

Is it the only reason? Not at all.

 

Of course it influences it...I have never denied that. But your statement was that it was for "no other reason". And that statement is downright idiotic.

Im sure its that way for some. but assuming it and generalizing it as you did is as dumb as the rest of this thread.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

All right, since the twisted, abberant, and unholy alliance of Wiffle and RP has teamed together, I'm gonna take Dave's part here.

 

As I said, this is exhibit A. There are many other examples of other religious groups trying to impose their beliefs on others. They've been debated ad nauseum here at the Geek Club.

 

The funny thing is, every time one such story gets discussed, the same excuse is trotted out. Namely, that it's just this one religion.

 

Exactly. Every time some religious group does some wacky horrible crap, the others all say "That's just one group." Fact is, ALL the religions have some guilt shoving their beliefs down the throats of others. Every last one.

 

 

Apparently this is what Dave thinks, and is Exhibit A as to why he hates so much.

 

No, he hates it so much because it is completely focking tasteless and inappropriate to take 6,000,000 people who were tortured and incinerted at least in part for their beliefs, and then allow some group to baptize them in poshumously and claim them as "members."

 

Its disgusting.

 

Imagine if some Neo Nazi group went thorough a veterans cemetary posthumously conveying the Iron Cross on American servicemen. Or if NAMBLA awarded your dead grandfather a "Lifetime of Achievement in Kiddie Diddling" award posthumously. It would, justifiably, piss you off, no?

 

And yet you hate it. Why do you had one of this country's most cherished ideals?

 

He hates religion, not freedom of religion. Feel free to worship the Great Spaghetti Monster if you like, you have that right under the first ammendment. Of course, under the same ammendment, Dave and I are free to call you a focking idiot.

[wiffleball 4,797]

All right, since the twisted, abberant, and unholy alliance of Wiffle and RP has teamed together, I'm gonna take Dave's part here.

 

Exactly. Every time some religious group does some wacky horrible crap, the others all say "That's just one group." Fact is, ALL the religions have some guilt shoving their beliefs down the throats of others. Every last one.

 

No shiit. No disagreement here.

 

 

 

Imagine if some Neo Nazi group went thorough a veterans cemetary posthumously conveying the Iron Cross on American servicemen. Or if NAMBLA awarded your dead grandfather a "Lifetime of Achievement in Kiddie Diddling" award posthumously. It would, justifiably, piss you off, no?

 

Except the problem with your analogy is, it's the LIVING individuals who REQUEST it. If YOU asked NAMBLA to award your dead grandfather, it probably wouldn't piss you off.

 

 

What I keep thinking every time I see this thread title is: Of ALL the ridiculous, violent, awful, repressive, cruel, twisted, sick, evil, stupid, anti-intellectual, anti-human rights, BULLSHIIT that "organized religion" has in its logbook, THIS is what Dave presents as "to those who don't understand why so many of us hate organized religion"???

 

Really? Are you focking kidding me?? THIS, THIS is IT? THIS is your prime example? THIS is "exhibit A"?

 

The Crusades, The Papist treatment of Science, The Muslim wars in Europe, Islamic Terrorism, The Salem Witch Trials, Church Sex Scandals, Abuse in Orphanages, Papal greed, intollerance and cruelty, Mormon slaughters, Mormon Racism, Ted Faagard, HONOR KILLINGS...

 

But yeah, THIS - conferring unrecognized honorary bullshiit from a psuedo-cult at the request of some church member one their long dead great grandmother who couldn't GIVE a flying fock, yeah, THAT's the one that's gonna swing 'em. Naomi's probably burning her bible as we speak over this one.

[Bill E. 703]

In a hundred years people will believe that millions of mormons were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Well.. They were. Posthumously converted Mormons, but Mormons none the less.

 

They should asimilate the 9/11 victims then they can say the Muslims hate Mormons since they only killed Mormons on 9/11. I would think you could get some kind of Govt funding to protect your followers from OBL.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

What I keep thinking every time I see this thread title is: Of ALL the ridiculous, violent, awful, repressive, cruel, twisted, sick, evil, stupid, anti-intellectual, anti-human rights, BULLSHIIT that "organized religion" has in its logbook, THIS is what Dave presents as "to those who don't understand why so many of us hate organized religion"???

 

Really? Are you focking kidding me?? THIS, THIS is IT? THIS is your prime example?

 

The Crusades, The Papist treatment of Science, The Muslim wars in Europe, Islamic Terrorism, The Salem Witch Trials, Church Sex Scandals, Abuse in Orphanages, Papal greed, intollerance and cruelty, Mormon slaughters, Mormon Racism, Ted Faagard, HONOR KILLINGS...

 

But yeah, THIS - conferring unrecognized honorary bullshiit from a psuedo-cult at the request of some church member one their long dead great grandmother who couldn't GIVE a flying fock, yeah, THAT's the one that's gonna swing 'em. Naomi's probably burning her bible as we speak over this one.

 

Well if my brother or nephew or cousin requested the NAMBLA award, it would piss me off.

 

And yeah, while I agree with dave that this sh!t is repugnant, it doesn't even crack the top 100 of "Worst Acts of Organized Religion."

[wiffleball 4,797]

And yeah, while I agree with dave that this sh!t is repugnant, it doesn't even crack the top 100 of "Worst Acts of Organized Religion."

 

EXACTLY!!

 

 

It's like saying "To those of you who don't understand why so many of us hate George Bush - exhibit A!".

 

- Then pointing out that he once dropped his Yorky Terrier.

[davebg 0]

What I keep thinking every time I see this thread title is: Of ALL the ridiculous, violent, awful, repressive, cruel, twisted, sick, evil, stupid, anti-intellectual, anti-human rights, BULLSHIIT that "organized religion" has in its logbook, THIS is what Dave presents as "to those who don't understand why so many of us hate organized religion"???

 

Really? Are you focking kidding me?? THIS, THIS is IT? THIS is your prime example? THIS is "exhibit A"?

 

The Crusades, The Papist treatment of Science, The Muslim wars in Europe, Islamic Terrorism, The Salem Witch Trials, Church Sex Scandals, Abuse in Orphanages, Papal greed, intollerance and cruelty, Mormon slaughters, Mormon Racism, Ted Faagard, HONOR KILLINGS...

 

But yeah, THIS - conferring unrecognized honorary bullshiit from a psuedo-cult at the request of some church member one their long dead great grandmother who couldn't GIVE a flying fock, yeah, THAT's the one that's gonna swing 'em. Naomi's probably burning her bible as we speak over this one.

I never said that this is the worst thing that religion is responsible for. Far from it. However, this provides a very clear example of the lack of respect for other views that many organized religions have, while simultaneously defending their practices based upon the assertion that other people should show them and their views the respect that they fail to return in kind.

 

And THAT is the underlying basis for everything that I see as evil when it comes to organized religion. Any religion that puts its followers above non-believers (whether they believe in something else or their beliefs are simply not to believe at all) and that says that their God/beliefs/practices are better than those of other religions is showing a profound lack of respect. A lack of respect that they in turn decry whenever the shoe is on the other foot. It is this "do as I say, not as I do" attitude that marginalizes the good that religion is capable of by feeding the flames of hatred in this world.

[Me_2006 14]

This thread has the words: religion, Recliner Pilot, Sho Nuff, Wiffleball, and Mormon in it.

 

 

 

wow.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I never said that this is the worst thing that religion is responsible for. Far from it. However, this provides a very clear example of the lack of respect for other views that many organized religions have, while simultaneously defending their practices based upon the assertion that other people should show them and their views the respect that they fail to return in kind.

 

And THAT is the underlying basis for everything that I see as evil when it comes to organized religion. Any religion that puts its followers above non-believers (whether they believe in something else or their beliefs are simply not to believe at all) and that says that their God/beliefs/practices are better than those of other religions is showing a profound lack of respect. A lack of respect that they in turn decry whenever the shoe is on the other foot. It is this "do as I say, not as I do" attitude that marginalizes the good that religion is capable of by feeding the flames of hatred in this world.

 

So you have gone from someone "violating, trampling, and trumping" someone elses religion to "They showed a lack of respect".

 

Crawfish much.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The Crusades, The Papist treatment of Science, The Muslim wars in Europe, Islamic Terrorism, The Salem Witch Trials, Church Sex Scandals, Abuse in Orphanages, Papal greed, intollerance and cruelty, Mormon slaughters, Mormon Racism, Ted Faagard, HONOR KILLINGS...

 

No such thing, at least according to Slo Nuff.

[wiffleball 4,797]

This thread has the words: religion, Recliner Pilot, Sho Nuff, Wiffleball, and Mormon in it.

 

 

That's VERY GOOD Me! Now, can you spot the puppy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kid's a long way off from solving the the Jumble...

[Blitzen 1]

Why would I care about the fact that some fairy-following person is doing an incantation to convert the dead of another breed of fairy-following person? They're all loons as far as I'm concerned.

 

I like how some of them want to have a good spot in a cemetery. Like they'll get a better view while rotting.

 

I want to launch Coffin Depot or something like that to give people who don't care a way out of paying bagillions of dollars for a box they will rot in and a boring service. I'll offer a nice veneered plywood coffin and a party with strippers and pole dancers. Then your body will be burnt and your ashes will be tossed on the nearest lawn or given to your loved ones in a d i l d o-shaped urn. People will actually WANT to attend the funerals I'll organize instead of wondering what they're doing there.

[Sho Nuff 720]

No such thing, at least according to Slo Nuff.

 

Funny...for all the whining you do about me being "obsessed" with you, here you are bringing me up.

And lying about what i have ever said in the process.

Focking hilarious.