mzf5c5 0 Posted April 15, 2009 And I'm not bashing the pick. Just like a RB to the Eagles I see a WR to the Colts a lot. I just don't understand it. Oh, I agree with you, but I just see this is what they will do. I am not picking for what I want per say, but rather what I feel the Colts would do. Personally, I think they should look at DT, LB then WR/RB even. But they don't even talk much about getting a good middle LB and moving bracket back to the outside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,734 Posted April 15, 2009 And I'm not bashing the pick. Just like a RB to the Eagles I see a WR to the Colts a lot. I just don't understand it. i also don't understand WR to the Colts in round 1 but you really don't get the logic behind RB to the Egales? i mean sure andy reid isn't known for drafting RB's high but it makes perfect sense for them to go after a Chris Wells type guy. So many teams are going to RBBC and it would definately help keep Westy healthy now and groom a replacement for the future. Especially with 2 picks. Wells specifically is the perfect compliment to Westy as a north south runner. PS i know Wells wasn't the pick... he just would have been my choice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 15, 2009 i also don't understand WR to the Colts in round 1 but you really don't get the logic behind RB to the Egales? i mean sure andy reid isn't known for drafting RB's high but it makes perfect sense for them to go after a Chris Wells type guy. So many teams are going to RBBC and it would definately help keep Westy healthy now and groom a replacement for the future. Especially with 2 picks. Wells specifically is the perfect compliment to Westy as a north south runner. PS i know Wells wasn't the pick... he just would have been my choice Because it is the 2nd half to a RBBC. They are taking the RB that will get 5-8 carries a game for the next 2 years. A team as good as the Eagles want a 6 carry a game runner for the next 2 years with their 1st pick? Maybe they do, I just don't understand it. You can find 2nd halves to a RBBC anywhere. D. Ward K. Faulk L. Washington (more this year) R. Williams (1st round pick but he was basically thrown out and just a flier to keep on the team) L. McClain? M. Moore and G. Russell did well for the Steelers T. Hightower S. Slaton was found out of the 1st round P. Thomas J. Norwood Sure there are some. But home many teams pair up a stud with a 1st round pick? It just isn't a need. If your line can't block it doesn't matter anyway. You can pick up the 2nd half of your RBBC anywhere 3rd round, FA, hidden on your own depth chart. A 6 carry a game Beanie Wells isn't going to make much impact for the next 2 years. You can keep Westy healthy with an decent RB. I just don't see it. I wouldn;t want my team wasting a 1st rounder on a RB that will get limited carries for the next couple years. If they didn't have a flat out stud like Westy, it would make more sense because the rookie would get more touches (C. Johnson). That and the fact they pass it all around the yard, so carries are even more limited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted April 15, 2009 Because it is the 2nd half to a RBBC. They are taking the RB that will get 5-8 carries a game for the next 2 year. A team as a good as the Eagles want a 6 carry a game runner for the next 2 years with their 1st pick? Maybe they do, I just don't understand it. You can find 2nd halves to a RBBC anywhere. D. Ward K. Faulk L. Washington (more this year) R. Williams (1st round pick but he was basically thrown out and just a flier to keep on the team) L. McClain? M. Moore and G. Russell did well for the Steelers T. Hightower S. Slaton was found out of the 1st round P. Thomas J. Norwood Sure there are some. But home many teams pair up a stud with a 1st round pick? It just isn't need. If your line can't block it doesn't matter anyway. You can pick up the 2nd half of your RBBC anywhere 3rd round, FA, hidden on your own depth chart. A 6 carry a game Beanie Wells isn't going to make much impact for the next 2 years. You can keep Westy healthy with an decent RB. I just don't see it. I wouldn;t want my team wasting a 1st rounder on a RB that will get limited carries for the next couple years. If they didn't have a flat out stud like Westy, it would make more sense because the rookie would get more touches (C. Johnson). That and the fact they pass it all around the yard, so carries are even more limited. With the way Westbrook's health has been deteriorating over the past few years, he has one year left as the feature back in the offense. After next season, I see him being a third down, Ronnie Harmon type of back. Agreed that they could have taken a FA back and be done with it. However, it doesn't solve the long term problem of replacing Westbrook. At 21, they get value (some mocks have Moreno going higher), an additional weapon who can run and catch, who fills an immediate need playing second fiddle to Westbrook, who is the heir apparent to the starting job in a year or two. How is that not a good pick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted April 15, 2009 Round II from nfl.com: 1 Lions 2 Patriots (From Kansas City) 3 Rams 4 Browns 5 Seahawks 6 Bengals 7 Jaguars 8 Raiders 9 Packers 10 Bills 11 49ers 12 Dolphins (From Washington) 13 Giants (From New Orleans) 14 Texans 15 Patriots (From San Diego) 16 Broncos 17 Bears 18 Browns (From Tampa Bay) 19 Cowboys 20 Jets 21 Eagles 22 Vikings 23 Falcons 24 Dolphins 25 Ravens 26 Patriots 27 Panthers 28 Giants 29 Colts 30 Titans 31 Cardinals 32 Steelers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 15, 2009 With the way Westbrook's health has been deteriorating over the past few years, he has one year left as the feature back in the offense. After next season, I see him being a third down, Ronnie Harmon type of back. Agreed that they could have taken a FA back and be done with it. However, it doesn't solve the long term problem of replacing Westbrook. At 21, they get value (some mocks have Moreno going higher), an additional weapon who can run and catch, who fills an immediate need playing second fiddle to Westbrook, who is the heir apparent to the starting job in a year or two. How is that not a good pick? I would just think they would want to win now with McNabb and Westy. Taking Moreno really doesn't improve the overall team. He may be a good backup RB this coming year or may not. You can't just expect him to be good his rookie year. Even if he is good, it will be as a 6-8 carry guy, maybe not even as a passing team like the Eagles. If the Eagles weren't close to anything it would be different. Its not a pick that is going to destroy their team, it is the 21st pick, but I don't see why they need to take a future RB this year. Build the line back up and you can plug a Mewelde Moore back there and he will do just as good. I guess I just think the RB position is really over valued, unless it is a team with slow crap RBs or the RB being taken is at the level of an AP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,734 Posted April 16, 2009 Because it is the 2nd half to a RBBC. They are taking the RB that will get 5-8 carries a game for the next 2 years. A team as good as the Eagles want a 6 carry a game runner for the next 2 years with their 1st pick? Maybe they do, I just don't understand it. You can find 2nd halves to a RBBC anywhere. D. Ward K. Faulk L. Washington (more this year) R. Williams (1st round pick but he was basically thrown out and just a flier to keep on the team) L. McClain? M. Moore and G. Russell did well for the Steelers T. Hightower S. Slaton was found out of the 1st round P. Thomas J. Norwood Sure there are some. But home many teams pair up a stud with a 1st round pick? It just isn't a need. If your line can't block it doesn't matter anyway. You can pick up the 2nd half of your RBBC anywhere 3rd round, FA, hidden on your own depth chart. A 6 carry a game Beanie Wells isn't going to make much impact for the next 2 years. You can keep Westy healthy with an decent RB. I just don't see it. I wouldn;t want my team wasting a 1st rounder on a RB that will get limited carries for the next couple years. If they didn't have a flat out stud like Westy, it would make more sense because the rookie would get more touches (C. Johnson). That and the fact they pass it all around the yard, so carries are even more limited. how do you know he would be a 6 touch guy? Assuming they spell Westy more i think any 2nd half of an RBBC would touch the ball more times. plus, as I already said, future replacement/ insurance for a Westy injury. I see it as even more of a need than the Steelers taking Mendenhall plus the Eagles have 2 first rounders... that weighs heavily into the thought they might use one for a RB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 16, 2009 I think that jerryskids is on a cruise, so I would not wait too long for him to make a pick. We will probably want to make the pick for the Cards. It should be pretty easy to make. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Elistan 106 Posted April 16, 2009 The 49ers taking Sanchez with Oher on the board? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted April 16, 2009 I think that jerryskids is on a cruise, so I would not wait too long for him to make a pick. We will probably want to make the pick for the Cards. It should be pretty easy to make. RB? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,734 Posted April 16, 2009 RB? wells or brown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 16, 2009 RB? Yes, Wells is the choice here. I think that the Cards would be ecstatic if they could get Wells at the tail end of Round 1. Ideally, they would have a DE or LB to replace some of their losses, but it seems like most of that talent went earlier than expected and they get huge value with Wells here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted April 16, 2009 I would just think they would want to win now with McNabb and Westy. Taking Moreno really doesn't improve the overall team. He may be a good backup RB this coming year or may not. You can't just expect him to be good his rookie year. Even if he is good, it will be as a 6-8 carry guy, maybe not even as a passing team like the Eagles. If the Eagles weren't close to anything it would be different. Its not a pick that is going to destroy their team, it is the 21st pick, but I don't see why they need to take a future RB this year. Build the line back up and you can plug a Mewelde Moore back there and he will do just as good. I guess I just think the RB position is really over valued, unless it is a team with slow crap RBs or the RB being taken is at the level of an AP. You're contradicting yourself. The premise you're operating under (correct me if I'm wrong, please) is that they need to draft someone to help McNabb and Westbrook win NOW. How is "building the line back up" thru this draft going to help them win now? Don't forget, they don't have a legitimate backup running back to pair with Westbrook right now (Buckhalter is gone). As it stands, they are focked if Westbrook goes down, AGAIN, and that likelihood grows game by game due to his fragile nature. One of the reasons why people like Moreno is his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. It is pretty apparent that RB's in Reid's offense need to do that, and can be real successful. At 21, they are not gonna get a premier OT, they aren't gonna get a premier anything. In reality, how much does a rookie drafted at the back end really help a team in his first year? I do agree with you, that the Eagles need to retool the offensive line. They can do that with this draft. Please remember, though, that Reid has a good track record of getting linemen later in the draft. Also, don't forget they have All-Pro Shawn Andrews returning to the line and added his pro Pro Bowl brother What I'd like to do is see them snap up Alex Mack with the 28th pick and bolster up the interior of the line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 16, 2009 You're contradicting yourself. The premise you're operating under (correct me if I'm wrong, please) is that they need to draft someone to help McNabb and Westbrook win NOW. How is "building the line back up" thru this draft going to help them win now? Don't forget, they don't have a legitimate backup running back to pair with Westbrook right now (Buckhalter is gone). As it stands, they are focked if Westbrook goes down, AGAIN, and that likelihood grows game by game due to his fragile nature. One of the reasons why people like Moreno is his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. It is pretty apparent that RB's in Reid's offense need to do that, and can be real successful. At 21, they are not gonna get a premier OT, they aren't gonna get a premier anything. In reality, how much does a rookie drafted at the back end really help a team in his first year? I do agree with you, that the Eagles need to retool the offensive line. They can do that with this draft. Please remember, though, that Reid has a good track record of getting linemen later in the draft. Also, don't forget they have All-Pro Shawn Andrews returning to the line and added his pro Pro Bowl brother What I'd like to do is see them snap up Alex Mack with the 28th pick and bolster up the interior of the line. I have just come to the conclusion that I don't value RBs anymore. I have seen so many "average to bad" RBs play great. With a decent O-Line I think you can plug in many vet FA RBs to carry the ball. They won't be Westy or LT or AP, but they will easily be good enough to carry the ball as a backup. Again Mewelde Moore anyone? He played great for the Steelers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,734 Posted April 16, 2009 Again Mewelde Moore anyone? He played great for the Steelers. yet they had drafted Mendenhall.... im not saying the pick will work out amazingly but to me it just makes sense for the Eagles to use one of those 1st rounders on a RB as both a tandem with Westy to help keep him healthy and as insurance for when he goes down... thats right i said when. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted April 16, 2009 I have just come to the conclusion that I don't value RBs anymore. I have seen so many "average to bad" RBs play great. With a decent O-Line I think you can plug in many vet FA RBs to carry the ball. They won't be Westy or LT or AP, but they will easily be good enough to carry the ball as a backup. Again Mewelde Moore anyone? He played great for the Steelers. Peyton Hillis is another good example...After the first tier of ultra-talented RBs (AP, MJD, SJAX, Gore, etc); a RBs performance is more based on his OLine's play. WIth a good OLine, you could plug in any of about 50 RBs in this league to churn out 1200 yards, while many talented RBs couldnt hit 1,000 behind a crappy OLine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 845 Posted April 16, 2009 Dan was here, but left without picking. he picked and then i made 2.01 right after. Couldnt pass up freeman at 2.01. Many people (that dont have the lions taking stafford #1) have them picking freeman at 1.20. For him to be there at 2.01 is too good to pass up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted April 16, 2009 I have just come to the conclusion that I don't value RBs anymore. I have seen so many "average to bad" RBs play great. With a decent O-Line I think you can plug in many vet FA RBs to carry the ball. They won't be Westy or LT or AP, but they will easily be good enough to carry the ball as a backup. Again Mewelde Moore anyone? He played great for the Steelers. I guess you know way more than the experts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted April 16, 2009 Peyton Hillis is another good example...After the first tier of ultra-talented RBs (AP, MJD, SJAX, Gore, etc); a RBs performance is more based on his OLine's play. WIth a good OLine, you could plug in any of about 50 RBs in this league to churn out 1200 yards, while many talented RBs couldnt hit 1,000 behind a crappy OLine. A Good/great offensive line just doesn't come together overnite. His point regarding the Eagles was that they need help now, because the window is still open, and that a RB wouldn't help them now and that drafting a lineman would make more sense. The Eagles aren't gonna be getting that elite LT at 21, they have other needs, and for the value, getting Moreno at that spot is the correct call. He fills a few needs, he's talented, and he's available. Take him. With the next pick, I chose to take Pettigrew. Is he projected to be a great TE? Maybe. Does he fill needs? Yes. Can you justify taking a TE at 28 who's known as a great blocking TE? Certainly. Pettigrew really reminds me of Jason Witten when he came out of Tennessee. If anyone watched Witten in college, he was a solid football player. The combine stats added to the perception that he was a blocking TE who could catch. It dropped him in the draft. Now I'm sure any team in the NFL would be happy to have Witten on their team. I know Reid would. After all, he chose LJ Smith over him (as were Dallas Clark, Bennie Joppru and Teyo Johnson). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 16, 2009 yet they had drafted Mendenhall.... im not saying the pick will work out amazingly but to me it just makes sense for the Eagles to use one of those 1st rounders on a RB as both a tandem with Westy to help keep him healthy and as insurance for when he goes down... thats right i said when. Yea and who was better? Mendy was hurt, but they didn't know what they had in Moore when they drafted Mendy. Whos to say the Mendy pick was a good pick? I don't understand your point about Mendy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 16, 2009 I guess you know way more than the experts. I guess I can't come to this Bored with an opinion anymore? I already said I know Moreno is predicted to go to the Eagles by many experts. I just said I personally don't value RBs and think you can find them anywhere. I don't understand why that makes me think I know more than the experts. Don't get defensive, its just an opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted April 16, 2009 I guess I can't come to this Bored with an opinion anymore? I already said I know Moreno is predicted to go to the Eagles by many experts. I just said I personally don't value RBs and think you can find them anywhere. I don't understand why that makes me think I know more than the experts. Don't get defensive, its just an opinion. Not defensive at all. Just saying your arguement contradicts itself, yet your steadfast in your opinion, even though it's very contrary to what everyone else is saying. I just call them like I see them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 16, 2009 Not defensive at all. Just saying your arguement contradicts itself, yet your steadfast in your opinion, even though it's very contrary to what everyone else is saying. I just call them like I see them. I don't think a backup RB will help McNabb and Westy win in the next 2 years at all. So not contradicting anything in my mind. But again it is just my opinion. Maybe their window has closed, they got rid of Dawkins. Maybe they should have just got rid of McNabb and started over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 16, 2009 Getting back to the topic at hand. Patriots could have gone various directions here, but I think that having Butler here makes sense. He has the speed and athletic ability to be a very good corner and he was a borderline first rounder. Even though they signed Bodden and Springs during the offseason, they have definite needs in the secondary. Hobbs is not a shutdown corner and is in the last year of his contract. This would allow them to ease Butler into the mix this season and be in a position to leverage him more next season with guys like Wheatley and Wilhite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted April 16, 2009 I don't think a backup RB will help McNabb and Westy win in the next 2 years at all. So not contradicting anything in my mind. But again it is just my opinion. Maybe their window has closed, they got rid of Dawkins. Maybe they should have just got rid of McNabb and started over. But your opinion was that they need to rebuild the offensive line. That doesn't help them for next season, so that is why it's a contradiction. At pick's 21 and 28, the only way the Eagles are able to help themselves immediately is to trade those picks for an established player. Considering that is not an option in this particular draft, nor is it an option to trade those picks to move up, the choices were made at picks 21 and 28. So I'm still not sure who was there to be chosen that could have made an immediate impact, like you say Moreno won't be able to do. I don't think you know much about this team. They didn't "get rid" of Dawkins. They chose not to grossly overpay for a player they considered on the downside of his career. Additionally, as it stands, the Eagles have the following players in the backfield: Westbrook (coming off surgury), Booker (hardly saw the field last year), Leonard Weaver (great FA acquisition to play FB) and Kyle Eckel (FB who'll have a hard time making the team this year). Sure, they can probably wait until the later rounds to grab a RB, but when you can get a talented guy, who fits your scheme and can make an impact in his first year, and you're getting him slightly later than where his is projected to go, you get him. And we're talking about pick #21 here, not pick #6 or something. C'mon now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,734 Posted April 16, 2009 Yea and who was better? Mendy was hurt, but they didn't know what they had in Moore when they drafted Mendy. Whos to say the Mendy pick was a good pick? I don't understand your point about Mendy? It doesn't appear that you do. My point is simple. Pittsburgh had a late first round pick last year and chose to take a RB. RB was not a glaring need but they felt they had the luxury of picking a back to both complement and be an insurance policy for FWP. Why is it so hard to believe the Eagles would do something similar? For the sake of my example, it doesn't really matter what Mendenhalls production was, that he was injured or that Moore filled in nicely when needed. It's about the philosophy behind the pick on draft day. I am not trying to argue with you that the Eagles absolutely must select a RB or even that it will turn out to be a great pick. I am just debating why the selection would make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted April 16, 2009 blah blah blah Can you make your pick for the Rams? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,734 Posted April 16, 2009 Can you make your pick for the Rams? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 16, 2009 But your opinion was that they need to rebuild the offensive line. That doesn't help them for next season, so that is why it's a contradiction. At pick's 21 and 28, the only way the Eagles are able to help themselves immediately is to trade those picks for an established player. Considering that is not an option in this particular draft, nor is it an option to trade those picks to move up, the choices were made at picks 21 and 28. So I'm still not sure who was there to be chosen that could have made an immediate impact, like you say Moreno won't be able to do. I don't think you know much about this team. They didn't "get rid" of Dawkins. They chose not to grossly overpay for a player they considered on the downside of his career. Additionally, as it stands, the Eagles have the following players in the backfield: Westbrook (coming off surgury), Booker (hardly saw the field last year), Leonard Weaver (great FA acquisition to play FB) and Kyle Eckel (FB who'll have a hard time making the team this year). Sure, they can probably wait until the later rounds to grab a RB, but when you can get a talented guy, who fits your scheme and can make an impact in his first year, and you're getting him slightly later than where his is projected to go, you get him. And we're talking about pick #21 here, not pick #6 or something. C'mon now. Moreno is a backup RB for at the very least this year, an most likely next year. They can find an O-Linemen that may start in this draft, especially for the interior. It is much easier to find a Mewelde Moore in FA than it is a starting Linemen. I know we are talking about the 21st, that is why I previously said it won't make or break anything but it makes no sense to me. Would it be a terrible pick? No, but I don't understand it, just like I don't understand why the Colts would look at a WR in the 1st. Like I have said, I just don't value RBs and think you can get them from anywhere. So my opinion is going to be different than a person who believes RB is a very important position and that a 1st round RB is head and shoulders better than a 5 year vet in FA. My belief of a RBs value along with how weak I think this class is makes me not understand this pick. Wells and Moreno is a toss up for me. Neither have the speed. I like Moreno's all around game and toughness but I like Well's potential if healthy. But neither stand out to me as a player who is better than something you will find in the 2nd or 3rd round. My favorite RB of this draft is Donald Brown. It is just a difference of opinion here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 16, 2009 It doesn't appear that you do. My point is simple. Pittsburgh had a late first round pick last year and chose to take a RB. RB was not a glaring need but they felt they had the luxury of picking a back to both complement and be an insurance policy for FWP. Why is it so hard to believe the Eagles would do something similar? For the sake of my example, it doesn't really matter what Mendenhalls production was, that he was injured or that Moore filled in nicely when needed. It's about the philosophy behind the pick on draft day. I am not trying to argue with you that the Eagles absolutely must select a RB or even that it will turn out to be a great pick. I am just debating why the selection would make sense. Am I saying it is hard to believe that they will take him? No? They most likely will if he is there. I just don't get why they would. Just because the Steelers chose one last year when they didn't NEED one isn't part of my argument here. I still don't get your point. Yes Pitt took Mendy when they had Parker, what is the point? The Eagles will take Moreno when they have Westy. I understand that, I just don't agree with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted April 16, 2009 Anyone else think WRs won't go as high as they seem to be going in this draft? Kind of like last year, when no WR was selected in the 1st? Obviously there will be WRs selected in the 1st this year since there is more talent. But does everyone really think 7 WRs will be off the board by the 3rd pick in the 2nd round? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grizzly 0 Posted April 16, 2009 2.3 Rams select - Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio St. "I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted April 16, 2009 Moreno is a backup RB for at the very least this year, an most likely next year. They can find an O-Linemen that may start in this draft, especially for the interior. It is much easier to find a Mewelde Moore in FA than it is a starting Linemen. I know we are talking about the 21st, that is why I previously said it won't make or break anything but it makes no sense to me. Would it be a terrible pick? No, but I don't understand it, just like I don't understand why the Colts would look at a WR in the 1st. Like I have said, I just don't value RBs and think you can get them from anywhere. So my opinion is going to be different than a person who believes RB is a very important position and that a 1st round RB is head and shoulders better than a 5 year vet in FA. My belief of a RBs value along with how weak I think this class is makes me not understand this pick. Wells and Moreno is a toss up for me. Neither have the speed. I like Moreno's all around game and toughness but I like Well's potential if healthy. But neither stand out to me as a player who is better than something you will find in the 2nd or 3rd round. My favorite RB of this draft is Donald Brown. It is just a difference of opinion here. This thread is about the ongoing mock draft. You do realize that, right? Considering the needs of the team and the fact that all the LT's were off the board at 21, Moreno fit the pick. Had Britton or Oher been available here, either one would have been chosen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,734 Posted April 16, 2009 Am I saying it is hard to believe that they will take him? No? They most likely will if he is there. I just don't get why they would. Just because the Steelers chose one last year when they didn't NEED one isn't part of my argument here. I still don't get your point. Yes Pitt took Mendy when they had Parker, what is the point? The Eagles will take Moreno when they have Westy. I understand that, I just don't agree with it. it isn't part of your argument.. its part of mine. thats why I brought it up I don't know how else to really explain my point, I think Ive made it clear enough. like the steelersof last year, the eagles have more important needs but also a need for a back who can split some time with their starter and keep him healthy. (FWP had some injury concerns just like westy has). the eagles have 2 first round picks.. the draft is deep on the offensive line... use one for the line and 1 for more of a luzury pick at RB.... i couldn't really care less if they do or not, i hate the eagles, but i think it makes alot of sense. then again i think Wells is the better fit for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,734 Posted April 16, 2009 Anyone else think WRs won't go as high as they seem to be going in this draft? Kind of like last year, when no WR was selected in the 1st? Obviously there will be WRs selected in the 1st this year since there is more talent. But does everyone really think 7 WRs will be off the board by the 3rd pick in the 2nd round? I don't but i also don't think it will be far off... alot of teams need WR help and the talent is much better than last year. I also think teams saw what happened to the G-Men with no WR threat. And they saw what Fitz did in the playoffs and even what Santonio Holmes meant to the Steelers in the SB... Will those examples be what determined how many WR's get drafted? not at all but it could be in the back of some minds. im gonna say 7 WR's are gone by pick 45 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ens189 1 Posted April 16, 2009 There is absolutely no way that Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt will be gone before the Giants pick. Why the fock would you Colts take Britt? Stupid pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ens189 1 Posted April 17, 2009 Good second pick by the Hawks here. I really like Donald Brown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted April 17, 2009 Good second pick by the Hawks here. I really like Donald Brown. Agreed. They could actually end up with who Kopy selected here. That offense would be pretty potent. Which is a good thing 'cause that D will suck again. Is there anyway they consider a DB here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 568 Posted April 17, 2009 Agreed. They could actually end up with who Kopy selected here. That offense would be pretty potent. Which is a good thing 'cause that D will suck again. Is there anyway they consider a DB here? The only guy I considered was Chung. But that was more of me covering all my bases. The pick was Brown all the way. I have him and Moreno both in my #1 tier. Everyone else I do have some sort of question about them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted April 17, 2009 2.6 Bengals Pretty sure that all 3 Centers won't be on the board at this spot in the real draft. Either way, I'd be happy with any of the three (Unger, Mack or Wood). Took Unger because he's played all 3 positions on the line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites