FantasyBowl33 0 Posted June 23, 2009 The guy has some talent, but does he enough talent to start for your fantasy team? Is he a possible top 12 QB in 12 team fantasy leagues? I think he can be. I just see the KC defense being so poor still that he'll have to chuck it around A LOT. I think his TD's & yards go up form 2008 as well as his INT's. What's the word out KC? Fans liking what they see? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted June 23, 2009 I'm not a KC guy, but my opinion is that he could be a #1 Fantasy QB. However if you draft him as such you better have plan B really close. I can see this guy being the 12th QB taken, but you prolly also need to draft #13 the next round as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted June 23, 2009 It would concern me that Pioli has not redone Cassel's contract and locked him in for a couple of years. Could be that Cassel is asking too much, but it could also be that they are not sure that he is much of an upgrade over Thigpen. Cassel stunk it up last year in the preseason, so I would probably want to see him throw in anger with that team before I would even think about him as a low-end #1. Definitely risky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtodd 7 Posted June 23, 2009 I think he is a solid QB, but he has very questionable weapons around him. His only weapon is Bowe, who may become a stud but it is hard to tell. I agree though that the defense should not be too good, so he should be throwing more in the 2nd half of games. I can see him being a 3500 yard guy with 20 TD's and 14 INT's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted June 23, 2009 I think he is a solid QB, but he has very questionable weapons around him. His only weapon is Bowe, who may become a stud but it is hard to tell. I agree though that the defense should not be too good, so he should be throwing more in the 2nd half of games. I can see him being a 3500 yard guy with 20 TD's and 14 INT's. Yes. A McNabb lite, if you will. I'd be concerned if he was my starter, but as a backup, he's solid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 753 Posted June 23, 2009 I'm not a KC guy, but my opinion is that he could be a #1 Fantasy QB. However if you draft him as such you better have plan B really close. I can see this guy being the 12th QB taken, but you prolly also need to draft #13 the next round as well. I like him, but I think he is risky. As a player, he is the product of good coaching and a good system with good talent. He is now going from this good organization (New England), to another organization that is not as good. He is also going from a team with top end talent, to a team with..... well, we will just say less talent. the reality is, I think it will be at least a full year until he puts up #1 Fantasy QB type numbers. He needs to learn the system, develop Chemistry with the team, and get his game together. remember, his first few games as a starter in NE were a little shaky, and I would be surprised if this wasnt the case in KC as well. Some QB's are good enough to play well regardless of the talent around them, but I'm not sure that Cassel is that good. I'd draft him to be my #2 QB, but I dont know if I'd want him as my #1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted June 23, 2009 I like him, but I think he is risky. As a player, he is the product of good coaching and a good system with good talent. He is now going from this good organization (New England), to another organization that is not as good. He is also going from a team with top end talent, to a team with..... well, we will just say less talent. the reality is, I think it will be at least a full year until he puts up #1 Fantasy QB type numbers. He needs to learn the system, develop Chemistry with the team, and get his game together. remember, his first few games as a starter in NE were a little shaky, and I would be surprised if this wasnt the case in KC as well. Some QB's are good enough to play well regardless of the talent around them, but I'm not sure that Cassel is that good. I'd draft him to be my #2 QB, but I dont know if I'd want him as my #1. This Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 23, 2009 It would concern me that Pioli has not redone Cassel's contract and locked him in for a couple of years. Could be that Cassel is asking too much, but it could also be that they are not sure that he is much of an upgrade over Thigpen. Cassel stunk it up last year in the preseason, so I would probably want to see him throw in anger with that team before I would even think about him as a low-end #1. Definitely risky. why would it concern you that a guy signed to a franchise tender and has basically proven nothing in his career would deserve a longterm deal?.... huge risk with this guy...enormous risk... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted June 23, 2009 why would it concern you that a guy signed to a franchise tender and has basically proven nothing in his career would deserve a longterm deal?.... huge risk with this guy...enormous risk... If they wanted him and they viewed him as being a franchise type of guy, then you would think that they would want to lock him up to a deal that is more than just this season. I would think that, if he plays as great as they would like him to play, then he is going to be a FA or they will have a hold-out situation next season. If you trade for a guy like that, you would think that they would want him locked up for more than just one season or two if they franchise him again next season. I agree that he is very risky and my point was that the team, by not signing him long-term, is providing further proof of that risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 753 Posted June 23, 2009 If they wanted him and they viewed him as being a franchise type of guy, then you would think that they would want to lock him up to a deal that is more than just this season. I would think that, if he plays as great as they would like him to play, then he is going to be a FA or they will have a hold-out situation next season. If you trade for a guy like that, you would think that they would want him locked up for more than just one season or two if they franchise him again next season. I agree that he is very risky and my point was that the team, by not signing him long-term, is providing further proof of that risk. Well, there is also risk going the other way too. If they do sign him and he doesnt perform, he will cost them a lot more money than he is already costing them. This way, they have a year to think about it, and if he does not perform, they dont give him another juicy contract. I am also speculating that they dont mind paying him if he can get the job on the field. so that part of the risk is perhaps not as concerning. of course, there is no way to tell for sure what the people in the organization were thinking. All I know is we speculate, and make our decisions based on what we think they will do and how we think they will perform. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted June 23, 2009 Well, there is also risk going the other way too. If they do sign him and he doesnt perform, he will cost them a lot more money than he is already costing them. This way, they have a year to think about it, and if he does not perform, they dont give him another juicy contract. I am also speculating that they dont mind paying him if he can get the job on the field. so that part of the risk is perhaps not as concerning. of course, there is no way to tell for sure what the people in the organization were thinking. All I know is we speculate, and make our decisions based on what we think they will do and how we think they will perform. I agree with this as well. My point was that the fact that Pioli does not have the confidence to sign Cassel to a long-term deal is telling. If the guy that was your GM and then left and gave up a 2nd rounder for you and is paying you franchise dough does not want you with a long-term contract, then it is perhaps a sign of something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 66 Posted June 23, 2009 I'm not buying. This is a guy who was good, and only good, in a system that he had learned for several years. Against bad to mediocre competition, New England was very successful with him at the helm. That could as easily be attributed to the system, and the exceptional pieces surrounding him. When they played quality opponents - remember, that includes San Diego - they were beaten, and Cassel showed that the job was above him. I think he's smart and can learn a system, but I'm not convinced that he has what it takes to lead a team, and moreso than New England, KC is going to need a leader at that position. The pocket won't be pristine; the looks won't be always clear; the lanes are going to be different and oft-times confusing. He may be throwing more because the Chiefs could be behind, but he's not going to have competition that is significantly weaker than the team surrounding him, and that suggests that he will have problems. He just has the feel to me of being Rob Johnson all over again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted June 24, 2009 Surprised by the number of people with a level viewing of him. And that is a good thing. I expected to come in here and hear that he is a #1 QB with good potential. Allow I wasn't hearing a lot fantasy-wise, I always thought in the back of my mind that people overrated him. Guess not... He has average stats with a team that got Brady 50 TDs and the all time pts in 1 season record. I do not expect him to do much with the chiefs. I do think he can be a better real QB than fantasy QB. If Gonzo was still there he would have some decent upside. But that isn't the case so i view him as a solid #2 with average upside. Basically someone to have if you have a top 5 or 7 QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
