How does Brett Favre impact AP's stock?

[Kent 228]

At this point, its almost a certainty Favre will be dressing up in purple on Sundays.

 

Does it help, hurt or do nothing to AP's value?

 

I know pundits saying MJD or Turner is their choice for #1. I wonder if that opinion has changed.

 

I'm still undecided on who the #1 overall pick is. Not sure I'd want the top spot.

[PackYourNut 47]

At this point, its almost a certainty Favre will be dressing up in purple on Sundays.

 

Does it help, hurt or do nothing to AP's value?

 

I know pundits saying MJD or Turner is their choice for #1. I wonder if that opinion has changed.

 

I'm still undecided on who the #1 overall pick is. Not sure I'd want the top spot.

 

It's got to help... Look what it did for TJ last year...

[kutulu 1,676]

linky

[Kent 228]

linky

 

HAHA. Nice. Thanks.

[kutulu 1,676]

HAHA. Nice. Thanks.

 

[shutdown 40]

At this point, its almost a certainty Favre will be dressing up in purple on Sundays.

 

Does it help, hurt or do nothing to AP's value?

 

I know pundits saying MJD or Turner is their choice for #1. I wonder if that opinion has changed.

 

I'm still undecided on who the #1 overall pick is. Not sure I'd want the top spot.

 

 

First, I think AP would be the consensus #1 with or without Favre at QB.

 

That being said, I don't think this impacts his stats much. Vikes are a run first offense and I expect teams to play that way defensively. I don't think they'll respect Favre more that AP. At this point in their careers Favre and Tavaris Jackson have a similar skill set. Big Arms, potential to get the ball downfield. Jackson has mobility, Favre is better at reading a defense, both make bad mistakes at times. I really don't think the addition of Favre changes the vikes gameplan or how they implement it.

 

As for the Thomas Jones effect, I attribute Jones season last year more to the money the Jets spent in upgrading their OL 2 years ago and that Jones was fully healthy last year. Yes Favre was more of an impact there in that they replaced Pennington, a QB that you don't have to defend downfield, against with Favre, who can get the ball deep.

 

Remember MJD has never been the feature RB. Taylor has always been the player to carry the rushing load until this season so we really don't know what that will do to his big play ability as the feature back.

 

I actually don't like Turner to remain in the top 5 RB's this year and maybe fall out of the top 10. Bad schedule, transition to a passing offense now that they have confidence in Ryan and an OL that I think was somewhat smoke and mirrors last year, and the heavy work load last season lead me to believe that Turner is looking at a decline from last season.

[pfunk12 0]

First, I think AP would be the consensus #1 with or without Favre at QB.

 

That being said, I don't think this impacts his stats much. Vikes are a run first offense and I expect teams to play that way defensively. I don't think they'll respect Favre more that AP. At this point in their careers Favre and Tavaris Jackson have a similar skill set. Big Arms, potential to get the ball downfield. Jackson has mobility, Favre is better at reading a defense, both make bad mistakes at times. I really don't think the addition of Favre changes the vikes gameplan or how they implement it.

 

agree & disagree. vikes will remain a run-first offense, and chilly is not creative enough to change the gameplan that much. however, favre's ability at reading a defense is MUCH more valuable than jackson's mobility. favre will keep defenses honest and prevent them from stacking defenders in the box against AP. imagine AP having to face 1-2 fewer defenders 10-15 times a game. jackson's mobility doesn't really help AP at all, and his inability to read defenses consistently is a huge liability. and this is coming from a viking's homer who has ridden hard for TJ (i still think he got a raw deal developmentally from chilly, but we are past the time to address that).

[frank 2,305]

I think it will help, but probably not much.

[shutdown 40]

agree & disagree. vikes will remain a run-first offense, and chilly is not creative enough to change the gameplan that much. however, favre's ability at reading a defense is MUCH more valuable than jackson's mobility. favre will keep defenses honest and prevent them from stacking defenders in the box against AP. imagine AP having to face 1-2 fewer defenders 10-15 times a game. jackson's mobility doesn't really help AP at all, and his inability to read defenses consistently is a huge liability. and this is coming from a viking's homer who has ridden hard for TJ (i still think he got a raw deal developmentally from chilly, but we are past the time to address that).

 

I agree mostly, however if you are gameplanning Minny with Favre and AP I think you make Favre beat you after what you saw from him last year. You still gameplan to stuff the run and make Favre throw assuming you'll generate 2 -3 picks per game if you can make the vikes become pass first. Of course with their o-line and with AP that's easier said than done, but I'd certainly give way more respect defensively to AP and the ground game than to Favre and a mediocre corp of wide receivers.

[pimptastic69 0]

agree & disagree. vikes will remain a run-first offense, and chilly is not creative enough to change the gameplan that much. however, favre's ability at reading a defense is MUCH more valuable than jackson's mobility. favre will keep defenses honest and prevent them from stacking defenders in the box against AP. imagine AP having to face 1-2 fewer defenders 10-15 times a game. jackson's mobility doesn't really help AP at all, and his inability to read defenses consistently is a huge liability. and this is coming from a viking's homer who has ridden hard for TJ (i still think he got a raw deal developmentally from chilly, but we are past the time to address that).

 

 

Just knowing that Favre can recognize a blitz will keep the opposing D honest.

[Gladiators 1,987]

I agree mostly, however if you are gameplanning Minny with Favre and AP I think you make Favre beat you after what you saw from him last year. You still gameplan to stuff the run and make Favre throw assuming you'll generate 2 -3 picks per game if you can make the vikes become pass first. Of course with their o-line and with AP that's easier said than done, but I'd certainly give way more respect defensively to AP and the ground game than to Favre and a mediocre corp of wide receivers.

 

Defenses have tried to stop the run since early 2007 when AP burst onto the scene. Only a few have held him in check. I don't think a defense can assume they're going to generate 2-3 picks per game. That would result in you anticipating he'd throw 32-48 picks over the course of the season, or if you averaged them, 40 picks. Hoping for 1-2 is more realistic.

 

I don't think AP's number get much better, as he already rushed for approximately 1,750 last year and averaged 4.7 or 4.8 ypc. However, I could see his ypc hit 5 on fewer carries with Favre behind center and an increase in TD's. The defense will respect Favre a little more than TJ as others have already pointed out.

[pfunk12 0]

Defenses have tried to stop the run since early 2007 when AP burst onto the scene. Only a few have held him in check. I don't think a defense can assume they're going to generate 2-3 picks per game. That would result in you anticipating he'd throw 32-48 picks over the course of the season, or if you averaged them, 40 picks. Hoping for 1-2 is more realistic.

 

I don't think AP's number get much better, as he already rushed for approximately 1,750 last year and averaged 4.7 or 4.8 ypc. However, I could see his ypc hit 5 on fewer carries with Favre behind center and an increase in TD's. The defense will respect Favre a little more than TJ as others have already pointed out.

 

 

i think that's key. we've all seen what AP can do, so it's not like he is going to blow up much beyond that. however, i think he will have fewer fumbles as a result of fewer defenders around to constantly knock the crap out of him with extra hits, i think he will inch up more to 5 YPC or so, and a couple extra TDs. and as a vikings fan, i would gladly trade AP fumbles for brett favre picks.

[Ray_T 753]

Well, I dont like Farve's attitude he brought to the Jets, but like it or not, I think he is better than what the Vikings had.

 

I think the vikes will run a little less (in terms of percentage of run plays called), but there will be the same or more total carries due to fewer stalled drives.

 

I predict similar yardage, but more TD's for ADP.

[9-Route 0]

its all about opportunities with the vikes. like the ravens and similarly built heavy run-game/heavy defense teams, they need the defensive unit ti create turnovers and big plays to compensate for the lack of passing game and inherent drive stalling.

 

the vikes were ~17th in total offense last yr [middle], but 5th in rushing and 25th in passing.

 

the vikes were ~18th in total first downs last yr [close to middle], but 5th in rushing them but 25th in passing for them.

 

the vikes were 20th in 3rd down conversion%.

 

this running game and and runner are already among the best [if not the best] in the league; they need consistency sustaining drives. if favre can offer even a 10-20% increase in that dept, the upside of peterson and the team increase. this is a team that cannot even complete simple outs and slants for 3rd downs. favre can do that. sure, he may also make mistakes [iNTs] and kill drives, but the goal would be for the positives to outweigh the negatives, and this is possible as he wuold not have to do too much with said run game and defense.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

its all about opportunities with the vikes. like the ravens and similarly built heavy run-game/heavy defense teams, they need the defensive unit ti create turnovers and big plays to compensate for the lack of passing game and inherent drive stalling.

 

the vikes were ~17th in total offense last yr [middle], but 5th in rushing and 25th in passing.

 

the vikes were ~18th in total first downs last yr [close to middle], but 5th in rushing them but 25th in passing for them.

 

the vikes were 20th in 3rd down conversion%.

 

this running game and and runner are already among the best [if not the best] in the league; they need consistency sustaining drives. if favre can offer even a 10-20% increase in that dept, the upside of peterson and the team increase. this is a team that cannot even complete simple outs and slants for 3rd downs. favre can do that. sure, he may also make mistakes [iNTs] and kill drives, but the goal would be for the positives to outweigh the negatives, and this is possible as he wuold not have to do too much with said run game and defense.

 

Excellent analysis

[Kent 228]

First, I think AP would be the consensus #1 with or without Favre at QB.

At this point in their careers Favre and Tavaris Jackson have a similar skill set. Big Arms, potential to get the ball downfield. Jackson has mobility, Favre is better at reading a defense, both make bad mistakes at times. I really don't think the addition of Favre changes the vikes gameplan or how they implement it.

 

I've read enough experts wax on and on about taking MJD or Turner #1 overall.

 

But I'm starting to join the camp about AP #1 given this thread and Favre helming the O.

 

I disagree about them being at the same skill set. Favre is a million times more accurate than Jackson will ever be at any point in his, what looks like, short NFL career. Frankly, I'm surprised Tavaris is a starting QB in the NFL. He's backup material through and through.

 

I've seen Favre make countless incredible timing throws. Countless needles thread while on the move. Etc.

 

I've seen Tavaris make a couple.

[remote controller 143]

Initially I feel it helps Brett. Having that running game certainly eases the pressure on him. It is the perfect match for Brett and ADP, once they both get rolling.

[LOD01 198]

PLUS

 

1. They will enter the red zone more often that with Tardvaris.

2. Favre won't steal rushing TD's from Peterson like Tardvaris would because he will hand off instead of trying to run it in himself.

[Raider 84 29]

I think he helps, but Peterson is more of a help to Farve.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I think he ups the odds that peterson will be hurt making a tackle.