PATS vs COLTS

[PATSSOX 22]

OK maybe shouldnt have lost.........maybe but atleast should have been in OT and who ever got ball probably would have won

 

 

i retract this statement Yes they should have lost. I forgot Moats fumbled at goal line before the half and that should have been atleast a FG. so they should have had that FG and the FG at end to win

 

And in case you missed it Brady and Moss did not look so bad yesterday. I will say with complete confidence that Brady has his timing back now. In the Pats 2 loses(Jets and Broncos) Brady did not look sharp at all. Watch on Sunday night Brady will pick the Colts banged up Defense apart. Over the top to MOSS and underneath to Welker with a little Watson sprinkled in. Add a touch of Maroney and what do you have................The RECIPE for a PATS W

[parrot 789]

Dude I wish you were more informed before you speak. The Colts pass DEF has been extremely stout this year and last, in which Bob Sanders hasn't been much of a factor either season. Our 2 rookie CBs (Powers and Lacey) have played LIGHTS OUT this year. Bill Polian is known for drafting gems, and it seems that these two are panning out to be just that. I actually prefer them to Jennings and Jackson because those 2 play off so much and give such a cushion. Powers and Lacey have the size and physicality to play closer to the line and actually cover a WR for their entire route, not just guessing where their route ends up. Bullitt, Sanders' backup, has filled in tremendously for the past season+, and it's been stated a few times that he would start on most teams.

 

And as msc5 said, I think Donald Brown could have a big game against the Pats. Their DEF has been playing solid, unexpectedly at that, but Jerod Mayo does not turn this unit into a top-tier, scary DEF. I think we have a big advantage on the outside, with Wayne, Garcon, and Collie matched up against your suspect CBs and young secondary.

 

It should be a great game to watch, and since Indy is at home and have played better ball all season, you've gotta give the edge to Indy.

 

Indy 27, NE 20.

 

Great post here. The Pats are giving up 16 yards less passing per game, but the Colts pass D is "stout" and "LIGHTS OUT" while the Pats pass D is "suspect".

[mzf5c5 0]

i retract this statement Yes they should have lost. I forgot Moats fumbled at goal line before the half and that should have been atleast a FG. so they should have had that FG and the FG at end to win

 

And in case you missed it Brady and Moss did not look so bad yesterday. I will say with complete confidence that Brady has his timing back now. In the Pats 2 loses(Jets and Broncos) Brady did not look sharp at all. Watch on Sunday night Brady will pick the Colts banged up Defense apart. Over the top to MOSS and underneath to Welker with a little Watson sprinkled in. Add a touch of Maroney and what do you have................The RECIPE for a PATS W

 

And Manning and Wayne's int could have been TD's if not field goals. Your point? Turnovers are turnovers, notice the Colts are getting a lot in games? Manning has his way with your secondary and Freeney knocks Brady's lights out. They have said your line isn't protecting like it used to, and I believe that. Brady gets pressured, he hasn't been good this year. One reason why Jets and Denver beat you and why Buff should have beat you.

 

Colts win this game. It won't be a blow out for either team, but Colts win. We have what the Pats won't have, the Fans!

[PATSSOX 22]

And Manning and Wayne's int could have been TD's if not field goals. Your point? Turnovers are turnovers, notice the Colts are getting a lot in games? Manning has his way with your secondary and Freeney knocks Brady's lights out. They have said your line isn't protecting like it used to, and I believe that. Brady gets pressured, he hasn't been good this year. One reason why Jets and Denver beat you and why Buff should have beat you.

 

Colts win this game. It won't be a blow out for either team, but Colts win. We have what the Pats won't have, the Fans!

 

they did have a couple more injuries to O-line yesterday. In case you have missed the last 3 games the PATS and especially Brady are playing alot better than the first 5 weeks when those 3 games you are referring to had been played

 

the reason why Jets and Broncos won those games was Brady's timing was AWFUL You remember last year when Manning played badly in first 5 or 6 weeks after his knee injury??????? Manning turned it on at same time Brady has turned it on this year Freeney is a stud but he better get to Brady before he throws the ball because TOM "the terrific" will stand there and pick apart your depleated defense

[parrot 789]

The Patriots are going to have to find a way to get a pass rush. The days of 'confusing' Peyton are long gone. They need to get to him and get him off his spot if they're going to have a chance. They also need to keep Freeney off Brady; not that concerned about their new status as a blitz team.

[PATSSOX 22]

The Patriots are going to have to find a way to get a pass rush. The days of 'confusing' Peyton are long gone. They need to get to him and get him off his spot if they're going to have a chance.

 

If the PATS secondary shows up and does not allow the big play they will take care of the COlts. The team that does not give up the big play will win.

 

 

 

They need to get to him and get him off his spot if they're going to have a chance.

 

So the PATS have no chance unless they get to Peyton

 

by the way did anyone notice the HEAD to HEAD wins of Brady vs Manning last night?????

 

REGULAR SEASON

 

Brady- 5 Manning- 2 soon to be Brady 6

 

PLAYOFFS

 

Brady- 2 Manning- 1

 

 

here is another little category

 

SUPERBOWL TITLES

 

Brady- 3 Manning- 1

[mzf5c5 0]

When was the lsat time Brady beat Manning?

 

When was the last time Brady won a Super bowl?

 

Yeah, been a while on both huh?

 

Oh, how about this stat?

 

League MVP:

 

Manning 3 - Brady 1

[PATSSOX 22]

When was the lsat time Brady beat Manning?

 

When was the last time Brady won a Super bowl?

 

Yeah, been a while on both huh?

 

Oh, how about this stat?

 

League MVP:

 

Manning 3 - Brady 1

 

 

do you really want to go there???? How about Super Bowl MVPs???? Brady 2 and Manning 1 Dont you think Manning would rather have more Super Bowl MVPs than League MVPs.

 

by the way it has actually been a while since either won super bowl so that little statement means SQUAT!!

 

Manning won his only Super Bowl in 2007 and Brady won his last in 2005 and also won in 2004 and 2002

 

And Brady played in the Super Bowl(and yes choked) just 2 years ago.

[kmbryant09 1]

Great post here. The Pats are giving up 16 yards less passing per game, but the Colts pass D is "stout" and "LIGHTS OUT" while the Pats pass D is "suspect".

Both secondary's have played well, as of right now I'd trust our secondary over yours. To me, Meriweather is the only playmaker in your secondary. We've at least played the likes of Arizona, Houston, Miami (Warner, Schaub, Pennington), while the Pats have played against T. Edwards, M Sanchez, Orton, K Collins, J. Johnson (who??), Chad Henne, and 2nd year Qbs Ryan and Flacco. hardly an accomplishment...Not saying our schedule has been tough, but we've played much better passing teams than you, and have done an equal job with pretty much 3 starters out all year.

[mzf5c5 0]

do you really want to go there???? How about Super Bowl MVPs???? Brady 2 and Manning 1 Dont you think Manning would rather have more Super Bowl MVPs than League MVPs.

 

by the way it has actually been a while since either won super bowl so that little statement means SQUAT!!

 

Manning won his only Super Bowl in 2007 and Brady won his last in 2005 and also won in 2004 and 2002

 

And Brady played in the Super Bowl(and yes choked) just 2 years ago.

 

Do you really need me to post all of Mannings stats again? Against Brady's? I will go there! Oh, did you know that Manning has more winning seasons than Brady. He also just became the first NFL player to throw for 40,000 yards in a decade. And broke something else also, at career wins or something. Manning seems to break records or create them every game.

 

So you agree, Manning has won a SB closer to today, than Brady has? So Manning is clearly the better option right now? Brady won years ago, years! Manning is the QB of the past, today and the future! He is also in running for league MVP number 4 right now. Brees would be the only other person that you could argue for and it would most likely end in a tie, like Mcnair and Manning got.

 

I think Manning is ok with what he has done in his career. Would he like more SB's, sure, is he ok with what he has done, sure. Can he get more SB's, sure, I think we have a good shot this year.

[PATSSOX 22]

Both secondary's have played well, as of right now I'd trust our secondary over yours. To me, Meriweather is the only playmaker in your secondary. We've at least played the likes of Arizona, Houston, Miami (Warner, Schaub, Pennington), while the Pats have played against T. Edwards, M Sanchez, Orton, K Collins, J. Johnson (who??), Chad Henne, and 2nd year Qbs Ryan and Flacco. hardly an accomplishment...Not saying our schedule has been tough, but we've played much better passing teams than you, and have done an equal job with pretty much 3 starters out all year.

 

 

Neither team has played anyone close to Brady or Manning so who the hell knows??????? The only other QB in their class is Brees and the PATS dont play them for another couple weeks.

[PATSSOX 22]

Do you really need me to post all of Mannings stats again? Against Brady's? I will go there! Oh, did you know that Manning has more winning seasons than Brady. He also just became the first NFL player to throw for 40,000 yards in a decade. And broke something else also, at career wins or something. Manning seems to break records or create them every game.

 

So you agree, Manning has won a SB closer to today, than Brady has? So Manning is clearly the better option right now? Brady won years ago, years! Manning is the QB of the past, today and the future! He is also in running for league MVP number 4 right now. Brees would be the only other person that you could argue for and it would most likely end in a tie, like Mcnair and Manning got.

 

I think Manning is ok with what he has done in his career. Would he like more SB's, sure, is he ok with what he has done, sure. Can he get more SB's, sure, I think we have a good shot this year.

 

 

i agree Manning has better stats. i never said he didnt i just simply pointing out that Brady has the head to head advantage and more Super Bowls. I bet if you asked Manning he would give up all those individual achievements for more Super Bowls.(like Brady has )

[mzf5c5 0]

 

i agree Manning has better stats. i never said he didnt i just simply pointing out that Brady has the head to head advantage and more Super Bowls. I bet if you asked Manning he would give up all those individual achievements for more Super Bowls.(like Brady has )

 

I don't agree with that. I think he is fine where he is at. He is glad to have his one. He knows, that one was more because of him, than Brady's three was to the Pats. Brady has three thanks to a def and kicker. Manning has one thanks to him and his def for just the playoffs.

 

SB chokes? Manning 0, Brady 1

 

And I think some of the Pats fans on this site have started logging into their second and third accounts to vote for this. lmao!

[PATSSOX 22]

I don't agree with that. I think he is fine where he is at. He is glad to have his one. He knows, that one was more because of him, than Brady's three was to the Pats. Brady has three thanks to a def and kicker. Manning has one thanks to him and his def for just the playoffs.

 

SB chokes? Manning 0, Brady 1

 

And I think some of the Pats fans on this site have started logging into their second and third accounts to vote for this. lmao!

 

 

You honestly think Manning is happy to have one super bowl Im sure he is glad to atleast have one and he deserves one because he is a great QB. But without a doubt in my mind or most peoples mind, i thinks thats safe to say, Manning would rather have 3 Super Bowl rings like Brady than only 1.

 

Who got the kicker in position to kick those FG's?? Did the kicker move the ball down the field and did the Defense score those TDs????? NOPE

 

And yes i will say Brady and the Pats choked in the Super Bowl against the Giants. The Giants played a great game and were hot. But if a NFL team goes 18-0 and loses that last game it is a CHOKE. NO WAY SHOULD A TEAM LOSE THAT GAME

[mzf5c5 0]

You honestly think Manning is happy to have one super bowl Im sure he is glad to atleast have one and he deserves one because he is a great QB. But without a doubt in my mind or most peoples mind, i thinks thats safe to say, Manning would rather have 3 Super Bowl rings like Brady than only 1.

 

Who got the kicker in position to kick those FG's?? Did the kicker move the ball down the field and did the Defense score those TDs????? NOPE

 

And yes i will say Brady and the Pats choked in the Super Bowl against the Giants. The Giants played a great game and were hot. But if a NFL team goes 18-0 and loses that last game it is a CHOKE. NO WAY SHOULD A TEAM LOSE THAT GAME

 

It would be a good question to ask Manning, but I don't know how much of an honest answer we would get.

 

And the Kicker still has to make those kicks, just ask Kris Brown! And the Def still has to stop the other team from scoring. I am a soccer coach, I tell my teams every year, the goalie is more important than the striker that scores my goals. Why? Well, while that striker may make one or two goals, that goalie has stopped 10 from going in. So he is more important to the score, than the striker.

 

Now, who has been on TV more? haha! I still loved the game at the Pats, where they played a Manning commercial on the big screen, you could hear the fans boo, it was awesome!

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Dude I wish you were more informed before you speak. The Colts pass DEF has been extremely stout this year and last, in which Bob Sanders hasn't been much of a factor either season. Our 2 rookie CBs Powers and Lacey ... I actually prefer them to Jennings and Jackson because those 2 play off so much and give such a cushion. Bullitt, Sanders' backup, has filled in tremendously for the past season+, and it's been stated a few times that he would start on most teams.

 

And as msc5 said, I think Donald Brown could have a big game against the Pats.

 

It should be a great game to watch, and since Indy is at home and have played better ball all season, you've gotta give the edge to Indy.

 

Indy 27, NE 20.

 

I am 100% informed. I know that Sanders has been out for weeks and I also am aware that both Marlin Jackson and Kelvin Hayden have been hurt for weeks with Jackson now out for the season. Hayden didn't play vs Houston and MIGHT come back this week but he isn't expected to be full speed. Facts are your secondary is filled with rookies, backups and a player returning from injury. And while they have played well it's only been 8 weeks and that isn't a long enough time to make me bet against the Pats offense. I'm going to take Brady against that secondary all f-u-cking day.

 

I love how all of the sudden all these backups are better than your starters. You didn't see me posting that Guyton was better than Mayo or I was ecstatic that Ron Brace was starting over Richard Seymour. All things equal you want your starters in there.

 

And speaking of Donald Brown please tell me what exactly he has done in the NFL that should concern me? I pray that Donald Brown comes back. He won't be full speed and it will keep Joseph Addai off the field. I Love it. Why exactly would you think Donald Brown is going to run all over the Patriots anyhow? For years we have had a very solid run defense but you think we'll fold Sunday. Yet your 8 week, shuffling, secondary is going to shut down our Hall of Fame Quarterback.

 

The facts as I see them, Brady and the Pats are going to handle the Colts this week. We are as healthy as we've been in years. Indy can't run and we can stop the run. That's a recipe for a one dimensional attack and it won't be the first time that Belichick has forced Peyton to throw into mistakes.

 

Head to Head

Tom Brady 7

Peyton Manning 3

 

Tom Brady is to Peyton Manning like Roger Federer is to Andy Roddick

[PATSSOX 22]

Tom Brady 7

Peyton Manning 3

 

That's there head to head record and I think Tom extends the lead Sunday.

 

 

YES SIR its about time you showed up

 

PATS-28 colts-24

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

i will be brutally honest here. Randy Moss is an unstoppable force. Wayne is good, real good..but he lacks the level of fear and respect moss commands. Indy's young corners just cant even dream about stopping moss on sunday night. the edge goes to the pats and it will be a 15-20 win.

[PATSSOX 22]

i will be brutally honest here. Randy Moss is an unstoppable force. Wayne is good, real good..but he lacks the level of fear and respect moss commands. Indy's young corners just cant even dream about stopping moss on sunday night. the edge goes to the pats and it will be a 15-20 win.

 

 

i dont think you win if you only score 15 and other team scores 20

 

maybe it is supposed to be 35-20

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

i dont think you win if you only score 15 and other team scores 20

 

maybe it is supposed to be 35-20

pats win by 15-20 points

[PATSSOX 22]

pats win by 15-20 points

 

 

oh i get it

 

well i wont say they will win by that much but it would be nice

[kmbryant09 1]

I am 100% informed. I know that Sanders has been out for weeks and I also am aware that both Marlin Jackson and Kelvin Hayden have been hurt for weeks with Jackson now out for the season. Hayden didn't play vs Houston and MIGHT come back this week but he isn't expected to be full speed. Facts are your secondary is filled with rookies, backups and a player returning from injury. And while they have played well it's only been 8 weeks and that isn't a long enough time to make me bet against the Pats offense. I'm going to take Brady against that secondary all f-u-cking day.

 

I love how all of the sudden all these backups are better than your starters. You didn't see me posting that Guyton was better than Mayo or I was ecstatic that Ron Brace was starting over Richard Seymour. All things equal you want your starters in there.

 

And speaking of Donald Brown please tell me what exactly he has done in the NFL that should concern me? I pray that Donald Brown comes back. He won't be full speed and it will keep Joseph Addai off the field. I Love it. Why exactly would you think Donald Brown is going to run all over the Patriots anyhow? For years we have had a very solid run defense but you think we'll fold Sunday. Yet your 8 week, shuffling, secondary is going to shut down our Hall of Fame Quarterback.

My point is that for the past year and a half, our secondary has been one of the best in the league (last year we allowed a record-low 6 TD passes...SIX!!!! ALL YEAR!!!). Bob Sanders was not a factor for more than a handful of games last year, and hasn't been a factor all this season. And I'll be the first to say I think our new, rookie CBs (Powers, Lacey) are better than our more seasoned veterans (Hayden & Jackson). Maybe not overall more talented CBs, but a better fit for our system. In the past, we used to always play a soft cover 2 with both CBs giving WAY too much cushion, and teams could march down the field completing 10 yard pass after 10 yard pass etc. The young CBs have an edge to them. They like playing physical, and have some decent size to do so. I can't ever remember highlights of Hayden and Jackson fighting for a pass mid-air with a WR, and I've already seen 3-4 plays from EACH of the rookie CBs. I'm not saying they can shut down Moss/Welker, but to say that our secondary is a weakness because we are young is simply an uninformed statement. So all things being equal, I want my best players for my given team/DEF scheme, which I firmly believe is Powers and Lacey.

 

As for Donald Brown, hmmm where do I begin.

 

Running the ball, he's averaged 4.6 ypc, compared to Addai's 3.4 - that's a full yard+ per carry more. And if you think its too small of a sample size, look at Addai from last year, or the fact that D. Brown led all of college football in rushing yards last year. Simply put, Donald Brown is a more talented RB than Joseph Addai. I still like Addai, don't get me wrong, but its pretty easy to see who's the better pure runner if you watch our games. And oh yeah, he's averaging nearly 20 yards per catch too. Brown has broken off a 72 yard catch, a 45 yard run, and a 23 yard run in a matter of 53 touches....Addai, on 150 touches??? A long rush of 14 yards, and a long reception of 18 yards.

 

I never said Donald Brown is going to "run all over the patriots" - but he definitely gives us a weapon out of the backfield that we don't necessarily have in Addai.

 

Sorry, you lose this debate

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

My point is that for the past year and a half, our secondary has been one of the best in the league (last year we allowed a record-low 6 TD passes...SIX!!!! ALL YEAR!!!). And I'll be the first to say I think our new, rookie CBs (Powers, Lacey) are better than our more seasoned veterans (Hayden & Jackson). The young CBs have an edge to them. They like playing physical, and have some decent size to do so. but to say that our secondary is a weakness because we are young is simply an uninformed statement. So all things being equal, I want my best players for my given team/DEF scheme, which I firmly believe is Powers and Lacey.

 

Running the ball, he's averaged 4.6 ypc, And if you think its too small of a sample size, look at Addai from last year, or the fact that D. Brown led all of college football in rushing yards last year. Simply put, Donald Brown is a more talented RB than Joseph Addai.

 

Sorry, you lose this debate

 

OK that was very interesting regarding the TD passes. I honestly did not know that. After that though you lose your edge.

 

You are correct you are the " first to say I think our new, rookie CBs are better than our more seasoned veterans:". I haven't heard anyone say anything like that other than you. I will admit you know your team better than I do. I wouldn't expect you to know as much about our young players styles and subtleties as I do and vice versa. I'll take you at your word that they are going to be better players. But I stand by the fact that your "secondary is a weakness because they are young". I 100 percent stand by that. You my friend are completely discounting experience and expertise, both of which Brady and Belichick have in abundance. I'm saying it again. We are going to torch your defense.

 

You are also correct that Donald Brown led the nation in rushing in 2008. Here are his opponents.

Hofstra

Temple

Virginia

Baylor

Louisville

North Carolina

Rutgers

Cincinnati

West Virginia

Syracuse

South Florida

Pittsburgh

Buffalo

 

That aint no Patriots fool!

 

You lose.

 

Pats 49 Indy 10

[mzf5c5 0]

First off, you are a complete idiot if you think either team is going to win by 15 to 20 points. This game is decided by 7 to 10 points max.

 

Our Secondary: And let me be the second to say, Powers is a stud already and Lacey might be right behind him. Powers beat out Jackson for his starting job and lets face it, Hayden is not bad, but I have loved our physical our rookies are and with Bethea and Bullitt helping over the top, these guys are playing great ball.

 

Bethea

Bullitt

Powers

Lacey

Hayden - Hurt

Jennings

Jackson - Out for season - played in the nickle only

Sanders - Out for season - Played two games, for half the game.

 

4 fumbles, 8 int, 1 td, 24 pass def

 

Most of those stats are from our true starters, Bethea, Bullitt, Powers and Lacey. 12 turnovers in 8 games, HUGE. Just from the secondary! We have given up 3 passing td's....3 in eight games against good teams. We have allowed the second lowest points of the season to all the teams, we could be lowest depending on how many points Denver allows tonight.

 

We have 22 sacks, which is 4th in the league, have only allowed 6 sacks.

 

You have had trouble putting up points against Buff, Denver, and the Jets. You only got the chance to win against Buff is a stupid return person. You have only scored over 30 points against Tenn and TB. We have against Ari, Sea, Tenn and Stl. We have actually stopped good passing teams such as Ari and Houston.

 

We have the edge in the secondary. You have Brady, Moss and Welker, we have Manning, Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Brown, Addai, Clark. We have more talent on both sides of the ball.

 

Brown is a home run threat, where Addai isn't. Brown has better vision and I have said and do believe he could torch your defense if he plays. He has a hurt shoulder, so as long as that is fine and healed, he will run all over you when he gets the chance.

 

And if Moss is such an unstoppable force, why has he been shut down a few times this year?

[PATSSOX 22]

First off, you are a complete idiot if you think either team is going to win by 15 to 20 points. This game is decided by 7 to 10 points max.

 

You have had trouble putting up points against Buff, Denver, and the Jets. You only got the chance to win against Buff is a stupid return person. You have only scored over 30 points against Tenn and TB. We have against Ari, Sea, Tenn and Stl. We have actually stopped good passing teams such as Ari and Houston.

 

We have the edge in the secondary. You have Brady, Moss and Welker, we have Manning, Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Brown, Addai, Clark. We have more talent on both sides of the ball.

 

Brown is a home run threat, where Addai isn't. Brown has better vision and I have said and do believe he could torch your defense if he plays. He has a hurt shoulder, so as long as that is fine and healed, he will run all over you when he gets the chance.

 

And if Moss is such an unstoppable force, why has he been shut down a few times this year?

 

-alright i agree with you that i do not see either team winning by anywhere close to 15-20 points. i say 28-24 PATS

 

-You are also correct the Pats had trouble scoring in those games you refer to. That was a different Pats offense and a different Brady. You have to admit that atleast??? how many week did it take Manning to get back to normal last year? think it was week 6 when he and Colts got rolling. Before that Manning was not very good. Wasnt it week 6 this year when Brady finally found is MOJO? yes it was against the TITANS but still 5 TD passes in one quarter in the snow is pretty dam impressive no matter who it is against.

 

-Both our secondaries are not very good but i will give you the slight edge.

 

-Brown is a good little back but he hasnt been getting chances to hit HR and his shoulder is still messed up. They probably sat him this past week to get rested for PATS.

 

-And your last part on MOSS. well i answered that in first part. if you watched any patriots games or highlights from weeks 1-5 you would have seen Brady miss Moss atleast 5-6 times for easy TDs but Brady's timing was off

 

SO NEXT

[mzf5c5 0]

-Both our secondaries are not very good but i will give you the slight edge.

 

Ok, I posted stats to prove our secondary is good. With those stats, how can you say our secondary isn't very good? WE HAVE ONLY ALLOWED 3 PASSING TD'S IN 8 GAMES! How does that make our secondary a bad secondary? We have 12 turnovers from our secondary!!!! 12 in 8 games!!! That is big. And Marlin and Sanders were hardly any of those stats!

 

I agree on the other stats, except Colts 31 pats 24. Brady throws 2 picks. But Brady was back on game against Denver. His only two good games came against Tenn and TB. Other than that, he has just been ok or below average. So why do you think he will destroy the Colts BBB? I mean, Manning has at least been good against good teams.

[PATSSOX 22]

Ok, I posted stats to prove our secondary is good. With those stats, how can you say our secondary isn't very good? WE HAVE ONLY ALLOWED 3 PASSING TD'S IN 8 GAMES! How does that make our secondary a bad secondary? We have 12 turnovers from our secondary!!!! 12 in 8 games!!! That is big. And Marlin and Sanders were hardly any of those stats!

 

I agree on the other stats, except Colts 31 pats 24. Brady throws 2 picks. But Brady was back on game against Denver. His only two good games came against Tenn and TB. Other than that, he has just been ok or below average. So why do you think he will destroy the Colts BBB? I mean, Manning has at least been good against good teams.

 

 

i dont think he will destroy the Colts i said 28-24 thats not destroying anyone. 3 passing Tds in 8 games is very good but Brady will double that number to 6 in 9 games 332 yards 3 Tds 1 INT

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

We have 22 sacks, which is 4th in the league, have only allowed 6 sacks.

 

We have the edge in the secondary. You have Brady, Moss and Welker, we have Manning, Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Brown, Addai, Clark. We have more talent on both sides of the ball.

 

MZ you might be the biggest mush on this board. I try and I try to enjoy what you write but it's so hard. Every 3rd post your brain diarreahs all over the place==. I won't respond to most of your points because they were so outrageous.

 

You debate if Randy is unstoppable. What is unstoppable and who cares? The point is he has a much greater resume than anyone in your secondary and history shows that Randy torches young secondaries and old secondaries and hall of fame secondaries. After this season he'll be #2 all time in TD's. He'll have 150 TD's.

 

You ask when was the last time the Patriots won a SuperBowl? Well allow me to retort. When was the last time the Colts went to a SuperBowl? The last one of them that claim a Championship is the Patriots. The AFC Championship. Sure the Pats lost the SuperBowl vs the Giants but that was an all time season and a season that reaffirmed Brady's greatness. Only focktards like you would act as if it wasn't another page on his resume. Best thing about it is Peyton had a Brady free path to the SuperBowl last year and still folded.

 

Who the hell cares that you have 22 sacks? The Patriots have let up 1 point a game more than the Colts. As far as edge in secondary. How does your rookie secondary trump ours? I don't see it.

 

As far as talent on offense I'll give you that. Which makes the 40 we hang up on the Colts that much better.

 

I think we win by 17. That's a huge margin. Not 30 I was busting chops. But I do see 17.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

His only two good games came against Tenn and TB. Other than that, he has just been ok or below average. So why do you think he will destroy the Colts BBB? I mean, Manning has at least been good against good teams.

 

MZ. Just as I allowed that you follow the Colts closer than I do will you allow that I haven't missed a play this year for the Patriots. That being the case if you follow the Patriots as closely as I have you would know that early in the season the Patriots had at least 3 dropped TD's and were dropping passes every game. Joey Galloway was a huge barrier to our passing game, which is why he was cut and Welker went down injured. So you had Brady with a rookie WR in Edelman, an old shot WR in Galloway and trying to come back from a knee injury while learning a new offensive coordinators methods.

 

He has clearly been sharper for weeks.

 

As far as only 2 good games. The Buffalo game he was great in the 2nd half. Maybe we can allow that his 1st game back in over a year he might have a little rust in the 1st half.

 

The Jets and Broncos games- FOR THE LAST TIME BRO PLEASE DON'T KEEP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION- The Jets and Broncos games were against our backup QB and Offensive coordinator. They were in our frakkin huddle all day. I think the Jets have been exposed since and we will have our payback soon. The Broncos are very solid and tonight is a challenge for them but I guarantee Brady performs better if he gets another shot at McDaniels.

 

He was awesome yesterday. That one Int was an absolutely beautiful play by Davis. Other than that he was consistent and accurate all day. If you watched the game you'd know that.

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MZ you might be the biggest mush on this board. I try and I try to enjoy what you write but it's so hard. Every 3rd post your brain diarreahs all over the place==. I won't respond to most of your points because they were so outrageous.

 

You debate if Randy is unstoppable. What is unstoppable and who cares? The point is he has a much greater resume than anyone in your secondary and history shows that Randy torches young secondaries and old secondaries and hall of fame secondaries. After this season he'll be #2 all time in TD's. He'll have 150 TD's.

 

You ask when was the last time the Patriots won a SuperBowl? Well allow me to retort. When was the last time the Colts went to a SuperBowl? The last one of them that claim a Championship is the Patriots. The AFC Championship. Sure the Pats lost the SuperBowl vs the Giants but that was an all time season and a season that reaffirmed Brady's greatness. Only focktards like you would act as if it wasn't another page on his resume. Best thing about it is Peyton had a Brady free path to the SuperBowl last year and still folded.

 

Who the hell cares that you have 22 sacks? The Patriots have let up 1 point a game more than the Colts. As far as edge in secondary. How does your rookie secondary trump ours? I don't see it.

 

As far as talent on offense I'll give you that. Which makes the 40 we hang up on the Colts that much better.

 

I think we win by 17. That's a huge margin. Not 30 I was busting chops. But I do see 17.

 

BBB, we all know the reason you hate my post so much and why you have a hard time understanding them, is because I actually do research and post actual facts, which you have a hard time figuring out. It is ok, i will educate you. Plus, you may have edited your post, but I don't right, I write! haha I caught it! And you know it!

 

Be ready for probably Monday, because I won't post Sunday night, I will be watching the game and then going to bed. So Monday, be ready to eat your words, if you even have the balls to come on here after the Pats lose.

 

BTW, an undefeated season is NOTHING if you can't win the big one. sucks huh? Brady had something caught in his throat, from Plax! haha Or was it the other Manning? We should ask him what he choked on!

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A very entertaining game.

 

Pats 31 Colts 24

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

, you may have edited your post, but I don't right, I write! haha I caught it! And you know it!

 

You my friend got me and have just become one of my favorite people on this board.

 

And yes that means I know it! You have to give me some credit for my quick correction though!

 

BTW if you think the season that Tom Brady and Randy Moss set all of the passing and scoring records and if you think going 18-1 and winning the AFC Championship is nothing, that's your loss. I for one can appreciate great football while still giving the Giants all of the credit in the world for winning the SuperBowl.

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I don't agree with that. I think he is fine where he is at. He is glad to have his one. He knows, that one was more because of him, than Brady's three was to the Pats. Brady has three thanks to a def and kicker. Manning has one thanks to him and his def for just the playoffs.

 

 

This excuse about the Colts D doesn't hold water. Look at these numbers courtesy of ColdHardFootballFacts.com:

 

 

The Colts have long had a reputation as a one-dimensional team that won only because its offense outgunned the opposition. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts say otherwise and indicate that this reputation should have died quite some time ago. The Colts over the past decade have consistently fielded some of the best defenses in history. They ranked:

 

* No. 7 in scoring defense in 2002

* No. 2 in scoring defense in 2005

* No. 1 in scoring defense in 2007

* No. 7 in scoring defense in 2008

* No. 1 in scoring defense in 2009

 

 

The fact is that Brady is clutch and Manning caves under pressure.

 

I think the key to Sunday's game will be the Pats redzone offense. If Indy is going to win they have to avoid the big play and force the Pats to kick FGs. The Pats have struggled in the redzone this year. That has been their Achilles heel.

 

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Artic...ponse_team.html

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I laugh at you Pats fans. They couldn't even beat Kyle Orton and you think they have a chance against Indy in Indy? Did you see Orton tonight? Ha ha. LOL. Good luck, any given Sunday I guess.

 

BTW, nobody, but absolutely nobody not born in New England or not living there, thinks Brady is a better QB than Manning.

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BTW if you think the season that Tom Brady and Randy Moss set all of the passing and scoring records and if you think going 18-1 and winning the AFC Championship is nothing, that's your loss. I for one can appreciate great football while still giving the Giants all of the credit in the world for winning the SuperBowl.

 

As a Giants fan, I was much happier with my team going 10-6 and winning the Super Bowl. You can have 18-1.

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As a Giants fan, I was much happier with my team going 10-6 and winning the Super Bowl. You can have 18-1.

 

As a Patriots fan I would rather have my team go 10 and 6 and win the Super Bowl as well. That doesn't mean the Patriots, Brady, and Belichick didn't have a great season. Don't bother responding to this because it is the last time I address this idiotic issue.

 

Now as far as your Orton comment. Is that supposed to be humorous? Orton and the Broncos are an ok team, we always struggle in Denver and they had our play book. Those are the facts. We'll see Sunday.

 

By the way tell your girlfriend to trim her bushy.

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You my friend got me and have just become one of my favorite people on this board.

 

And yes that means I know it! You have to give me some credit for my quick correction though!

 

BTW if you think the season that Tom Brady and Randy Moss set all of the passing and scoring records and if you think going 18-1 and winning the AFC Championship is nothing, that's your loss. I for one can appreciate great football while still giving the Giants all of the credit in the world for winning the SuperBowl.

 

Yes, I give a lot of credit for your quick correction, because I wasn't able to quote the mistake, dang it! I was like, dang, he got it changed already! haha

 

No, Pats had a great season that year, 16-0 is great! Who will be able to do the same, plus post all the stats they did? Probably nobody. Even if another team goes 16-0, I don't think it will be as good. But as a fan, not getting the win hurts and sucks all at the same time. I know, I love how the Colts have had great seasons, the best in the league the last what, 9 years. As far as win to lose ratio. But damn it, quit going one and out in the playoffs. Quit losing to teams I know you can beat.

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We've at least played the likes of Arizona, Houston, Miami (Warner, Schaub, Pennington),

 

Pennington?

 

Schaub and Warner each hung 300+ on them.

[mzf5c5 0]

Pennington?

 

Schaub and Warner each hung 300+ on them.

 

Yeah, but only 1 TD for each. And Pennington isn't/wasn't a bad QB for Miami. But Warner and Schaub are great QB's that had to throw the whole game almost, of course they are going to have to put up big yards. It is points that matter, not yards.

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I laugh at you Pats fans. They couldn't even beat Kyle Orton and you think they have a chance against Indy in Indy? Did you see Orton tonight? Ha ha. LOL. Good luck, any given Sunday I guess.

 

BTW, nobody, but absolutely nobody not born in New England or not living there, thinks Brady is a better QB than Manning.

 

 

you do realize that when the Pats played Denver Brady was not fully back

 

i keep repeating my self because some obviously "bushy" did not read my comments. Did you pay attention to NFL last year? guess not because it took Manning till 6th or 7th week to be back in form after his knee surgery. But those first few weeks Manning was not very good as Brady was not very good weeks 1-5 this year.(thats when the Patriots got beat in OT by Denver). MY POINT THIS IS NOT THE SAME BRADY OR SAME PATRIOTS TEAM AS ALOT OF YOU ARE REFFERING TO