PATS vs COLTS

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

Dude I'm just being funny. Everybody knows that all of us Bostonians/Pats fans have a total man crush on Brady and Jesus.

 

OK let's compare wives... BRADY's Beaver

that is a nice beaver

[9-Route 0]

Advantage Patriots

 

1) Colts secondary is beat up and young

2) Colts having a hard time running the ball, New England can stop the run will make Peyton one dimensional

3) Patriots have back against the wall a little extra motivation. Colts can lose and still have AFC lead

 

Advantage Colts

 

1) Matt Light is out, although that might be to the Pats advantage since the one DE that owns Light every game is Dwight Freeney.

2) Dan Koppen center could be out. This would be a monster loss for New England. Silent counts are huge need in Indy

3) Peyton is performing at his highest level and he's also going against a secondary with some young players

4) Home game and recent success against New England gives the Colts much more confidence than the early years of dominance by New England.

 

just some thoughts.

 

 

1---pats defense is not just young, but extremely young, right??

 

2---losing koppen isn't that bad, as the colts don't have jamal williams to ragdoll him into the ballcarrier

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-england-patr...goal-line-stand [2nd-goal]

[PATSSOX 22]

You couldn't be more spot on PATSSOX.....

 

the numbers do not lie...Peyton Manning's #s compared to Brady's numbers leave nothing to debate

 

 

well in those numbers i posted i dont remember seeing any individual stats

 

but yes it is no comparision, ill steal someone else's idea

 

BRADY

 

MANNING

[PATSSOX 22]

You couldn't be more spot on PATSSOX.....

 

the numbers do not lie...Peyton Manning's #s compared to Brady's numbers leave nothing to debate

 

 

well in those numbers i posted i dont remember seeing any individual stats

 

but yes it is no comparision, ill steal someone else's idea

 

BRADY

 

MANNING

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

well in those numbers i posted i dont remember seeing any individual stats

 

but yes it is no comparision, ill steal someone else's idea

 

BRADY

 

MANNING

dont forget the 50 Tds in a season for brady to manning's 49

 

 

brady also has a hotter wife

[9-Route 0]

dont forget the 50 Tds in a season for brady to manning's 49

brady also has a hotter wife

 

...and the illegitimate kid....and the nfl record for consecutive season-ending losses to related nfl qbs.......

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

...and the illegitimate kid....and the nfl record for consecutive season-ending losses to related nfl qbs.......

:unsure:

 

4th one coming this year............move over brahshaw and Montana.........

[9-Route 0]

:unsure:

 

4th one coming this year............move over brahshaw and Montana.........

 

illegitimate kid, or consecutive season ending loss to a related nfl qb????

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

illegitimate kid, or consecutive season ending loss to a related nfl qb????

well first. no kid from brady's loins is illegitimate, they are studs and winners in life. second,eli and peyton dont really look related........I would ask mrs manning about her relations with the milkman. something aint right, there has to be a milkman out there with a huge forehead and mongoloid face routing for peyton.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

1---pats defense is not just young, but extremely young, right??

 

2---losing koppen isn't that bad, as the colts don't have jamal williams to ragdoll him into the ballcarrier

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-england-patr...goal-line-stand [2nd-goal]

 

Overall the Pats defense is extremely young. But we rotate our DB's with the vets and rookies/2nd year players. Our D line is not young and our LB's are a mix.

 

If we lose Koppen it's pretty huge.

[9-Route 0]

Overall the Pats defense is extremely young. But we rotate our DB's with the vets and rookies/2nd year players. Our D line is not young and our LB's are a mix.

 

If we lose Koppen it's pretty huge.

 

re: koppen

 

i know, he is their saturday. i was just messin with you, and taking the opp to post that video with the absolute beasting of him... [i really like jamal williams. guys like him, and hampton, and jason ferguson, don't get the stats for sure, and therefore often don't get the notoriety and love from the public for what they do in their roles.]

[9-Route 0]

well first. no kid from brady's loins is illegitimate, they are studs and winners in life. second,eli and peyton dont really look related........I would ask mrs manning about her relations with the milkman. something aint right, there has to be a milkman out there with a huge forehead and mongoloid face routing for peyton.

 

sounds like defensive reaching now .....even your pats nation will agree that the brothers are related.

 

"studs and winners in life" ??? love this one....how many ways to laugh at this??? ie jordan>>>brady, jordan's kids studs, winners in life???? uh oh....

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

No kid from Brady's loins is illegitimate!

[9-Route 0]

No kid from Brady's loins is illegitimate!

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illegitimate

 

as TO says: "looks like a duck, walks like a duck...well by golly, must be a duck!"

[parrot 789]

1---pats defense is not just young, but extremely young, right??

 

Yeah, but the nice thing is we can go from extremely young to the oldest in the league just by throwing Seau in there.

[kmbryant09 1]

well first. no kid from brady's loins is illegitimate, they are studs and winners in life. second,eli and peyton dont really look related........I would ask mrs manning about her relations with the milkman. something aint right, there has to be a milkman out there with a huge forehead and mongoloid face routing for peyton.

Wow it just hit me...I had a revelation about Patriots fans. It's not that they love their team, or QB, or enjoy their team's success. I believe they try and live vicariously through Tom Brady. I mean, its been what, 4-5 years since they've had a championship??? So they constantly bring up how amazing Brady was in his earlier SuperBowl wins. They chose to disregard certain information (like the Colts SB, SpyGate, ALL of Manning's stats, etc.) in order to bolster their ego. But none of that stuff even compares to some of this sh!t I've seen posted on here.

 

Brady is hot, Brady's better looking, has a hotter wife, a better, cooler lifestyle, a better-smelling cologne. And now you are saying his kids are studs and winners???? In all seriousness, I think there's something wrong with you fans. It's one thing to try and twist Brady's stats to make him look better than Manning, but to boast his kids and studs is downright alarming to me.

[kmbryant09 1]

Yeah, but the nice thing is we can go from extremely young to the oldest in the league just by throwing Seau in there.

Now that's funny stuff

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Brady is hot, Brady's better looking, has a hotter wife, a better, cooler lifestyle, a better-smelling cologne. And now you are saying his kids are studs and winners????

 

I have noticed that a lot of "Pats Fans" like to talk about how good looking Brady is, his wife, and lifestyle. It's a little weird.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

They chose to disregard certain information (like the Colts SB, SpyGate, ALL of Manning's stats, etc.)

 

I do not disregard this info. FYI Colts SuperBowl and Peyton's Manning stats are the same thing. I give respect to Peyton and the Colts for not only being SuperBowl champions, not just for Peyton's insane individual stats but also for a decade of winning and dominant play. Sure they don't have the Pats beat but it's an all time decade by the Colts and something to be respected.

 

Regarding SpyGate, nobody is ignoring it. We just think it's pathetic how often you guys bring it up. EVERYTEAM IN THE NFL DOES EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO GAIN ADVANTAGES. Didn't you ever play sports? You take what you can get or steal it.

 

The Patriots cheated in 2007. They weren't the only team. They were just the only team that got caught. They paid there dues. We lost in 2007 because of SpyGate. It took too much out of us and it's our own fault. We lost a 1st round draft pick.

 

Anything beyond that is sour grapes and you really sound pathetic when you bring up SpyGate.

 

Now as far as the rest of the post.. BINGO... WE ALL DO LIVE VICARIOUSLY THROUGH BRADY! But don't be so simple minded. We live through Brady because he's the perfect story. He earned his spot through hard work and preparation, came in and turned the team and city around, he wasn't flashy he was right. He was the anti-Bledsoe on the field and the perfect player off the field. He has never done anything wrong as a Patriot other than wearing a yankee hat. We laugh at his "perfectness", we embrace it and just accept the fact that "some guys have all the luck", but we don't hate on him, because he hasn't done anything but be the perfect player since Day 1.

 

Hopefully when he retires with 5 or 6 rings you guys will finally be able to appreciate his greatness.

[PATSSOX 22]

2 MORE DAYS TILL THE SHOWDOWN

 

 

PATS 28 COLTS 24

[kmbryant09 1]

I do not disregard this info. FYI Colts SuperBowl and Peyton's Manning stats are the same thing. I give respect to Peyton and the Colts for not only being SuperBowl champions, not just for Peyton's insane individual stats but also for a decade of winning and dominant play. Sure they don't have the Pats beat but it's an all time decade by the Colts and something to be respected.

 

Regarding SpyGate, nobody is ignoring it. We just think it's pathetic how often you guys bring it up. EVERYTEAM IN THE NFL DOES EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO GAIN ADVANTAGES. Didn't you ever play sports? You take what you can get or steal it.

 

The Patriots cheated in 2007. They weren't the only team. They were just the only team that got caught. They paid there dues. We lost in 2007 because of SpyGate. It took too much out of us and it's our own fault. We lost a 1st round draft pick.

 

Anything beyond that is sour grapes and you really sound pathetic when you bring up SpyGate.

 

Now as far as the rest of the post.. BINGO... WE ALL DO LIVE VICARIOUSLY THROUGH BRADY! But don't be so simple minded. We live through Brady because he's the perfect story. He earned his spot through hard work and preparation, came in and turned the team and city around, he wasn't flashy he was right. He was the anti-Bledsoe on the field and the perfect player off the field. He has never done anything wrong as a Patriot other than wearing a yankee hat. We laugh at his "perfectness", we embrace it and just accept the fact that "some guys have all the luck", but we don't hate on him, because he hasn't done anything but be the perfect player since Day 1.

 

Hopefully when he retires with 5 or 6 rings you guys will finally be able to appreciate his greatness.

If you fully recognize Manning's "insane stats, his SuperBowl win, his decade of winning and dominant play", how can you even make an argument for why Brady is a better QB?? (spare me the 3 championships story again). And to your re-wording of what essentially is cheating....that's a disgrace. I was an All-State Basketball player in high school, yet I played the game fairly, and although they are different circumstance, I could never understand how an individual, let alone an NFL franchise, can cheat. Don't give me this "every team does....to get an advantage". If that was true, people would be taking out Manning's and Brady's knees every play. Spare me your rendition of how SpyGate went down because we all know you cheated. I don't necessarily think your team is a fraud, or that ur rings should have an * next to them, but its pretty clear that SpyGate gave you guys an unfair advantage. And now you're blaming ur 2007 SuperBowl choke on it? HAAA, what a joke. Sidenote: how do you know the Pats weren't the only team to cheat???

 

And as far as Brady goes - I give him all the respect in the world, a whole lot more than most Pats fans give the Colts/Peyton Manning. My point in my previous post was it's almost sickening to see how much you guys are in love with him, not as a QB, but as a person. Personally, i don't give a sh!t what Manning does away from the game (as long as he keeps making hilarious commercials), but I love him as a QB. Honestly, you guys make it seem like you would have sex with Tom Brady if given the chance. You're the kind of people that Brady would need a restraining order against if you ever got close to him...That's not being a fan, that's playing both sides of the ball, if you catch my drift.

[mzf5c5 0]

If you fully recognize Manning's "insane stats, his SuperBowl win, his decade of winning and dominant play", how can you even make an argument for why Brady is a better QB?? (spare me the 3 championships story again). And to your re-wording of what essentially is cheating....that's a disgrace. I was an All-State Basketball player in high school, yet I played the game fairly, and although they are different circumstance, I could never understand how an individual, let alone an NFL franchise, can cheat. Don't give me this "every team does....to get an advantage". If that was true, people would be taking out Manning's and Brady's knees every play. Spare me your rendition of how SpyGate went down because we all know you cheated. I don't necessarily think your team is a fraud, or that ur rings should have an * next to them, but its pretty clear that SpyGate gave you guys an unfair advantage. And now you're blaming ur 2007 SuperBowl choke on it? HAAA, what a joke. Sidenote: how do you know the Pats weren't the only team to cheat???

 

And as far as Brady goes - I give him all the respect in the world, a whole lot more than most Pats fans give the Colts/Peyton Manning. My point in my previous post was it's almost sickening to see how much you guys are in love with him, not as a QB, but as a person. Personally, i don't give a sh!t what Manning does away from the game (as long as he keeps making hilarious commercials), but I love him as a QB. Honestly, you guys make it seem like you would have sex with Tom Brady if given the chance. You're the kind of people that Brady would need a restraining order against if you ever got close to him...That's not being a fan, that's playing both sides of the ball, if you catch my drift.

 

 

Oh yeah!

[PATSSOX 22]

I would make the comparison of Brady and Manning to Montana and Marino

 

I would honestly say Manning is better QB than Brady. I say that because of everything statisticlly he has done and how he runs and calls almost every play. But who would i want with the ball with 2 minutes to go and down by 4. BRADY

 

SO GO AHEAD LET ME HAVE IT

[mzf5c5 0]

I would make the comparison of Brady and Manning to Montana and Marino

 

I would honestly say Manning is better QB than Brady. I say that because of everything statisticlly he has done and how he runs and calls almost every play. But who would i want with the ball with 2 minutes to go and down by 4. BRADY

 

SO GO AHEAD LET ME HAVE IT

 

Yes, but who would you want with the ball with 1 minute to go and down by 4 and 80 yards to pay dirt? MANNING!

 

haha

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I would make the comparison of Brady and Manning to Montana and Marino

 

I'd say the Brady/Montana comparison is a good one. But Manning is 2 trillion times smarter than Marino could have ever hoped to be. Have you ever listened to Marino do highlights of games on CBS

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

If you fully recognize Manning's "insane stats, his SuperBowl win, his decade of winning and dominant play", how can you even make an argument for why Brady is a better QB?? (spare me the 3 championships story again). I was an All-State Basketball player in high school, yet I played the game fairly, and although they are different circumstance, I could never understand how an individual, let alone an NFL franchise, can cheat. And now you're blaming ur 2007 SuperBowl choke on it?

You're the kind of people that Brady would need a restraining order against if you ever got close to him...That's not being a fan, that's playing both sides of the ball, if you catch my drift.

 

1) I recognize Manning accomplishments while also recognizing that Brady's are better. His overall body of work, statistics, records held, both individual and team, win streaks, win percentage, clutch play, playoff performance, head to head performance, and 3 SuperBowls are more impressive than Mannings.

 

2) Awesome that you played All-State, that's a solid accomplishment but I guarantee you took every advantage you could get. The Patriots took advantage when they could and it was proven to be an unfair advantage, but it was only proven that they did it during 1 GAME! After that they walked through the league and won the AFC Championship. Like I said Spygate complaints are pretty pathetic. Especially after they dominated all season and lost in the SuperBowl. It worked out perfect for all you crybabies. Better than you could have hoped. Honestly you sound like a girl bringing up the same ###### over and over and over again. Get over it.

 

3) The Patriots didn't choke. The Giants came in and smashed their faces and forced the Patriots to fight back. The Patriots did and Brady drove them to a lead that they hold most of the time. Check the stats. But the Giants made a miraculous play and Coach Belichick called a blitz leaving Plaxico wide open for the touchdown. Game, set, SuperBowl. That's not choking that's losing to the better team that day, getting outcoached, and the Giants player making a play.

 

4) I have always contended that if the Patriots, Kraft, Belichick, had just come out early in the season and been honest and open about SpyGate it would have been swept away and the fans/media would have moved on. However the Pats let it fester all season and I believe it ultimately distracted us enough that we lost focus and stopped playing at a peak level. We had the best team that season and should have won the SuperBowl but we lost focus and couldn't regain it in time to beat a tough smashmouth world champion like the Giants. You can't come into a SuperBowl distracted.

 

5) Sure I'm going to stalk Tom Brady. Get a grip peanut head.

[PATSSOX 22]

I'd say the Brady/Montana comparison is a good one. But Manning is 2 trillion times smarter than Marino could have ever hoped to be. Have you ever listened to Marino do highlights of games on CBS

 

 

i was more comparing them for their stats but that is funny.

[PATSSOX 22]

3) The Patriots didn't choke. The Giants came in and smashed their faces and forced the Patriots to fight back. The Patriots did and Brady drove them to a lead that they hold most of the time. Check the stats. But the Giants made a miraculous play and Coach Belichick called a blitz leaving Plaxico wide open for the touchdown. Game, set, SuperBowl. That's not choking that's losing to the better team that day, getting outcoached, and the Giants player making a play.

 

i will disagree with you big time on this one Birdbradybobby

 

i do agree that the VaGiants played a very good game. they had to, to beat the Patriots that year. But if a team goes 16-0 during the regular season and wins 2 playoff games to get to super bowl at 18-0 and LOSES it is the biggest choke one could have.

 

NO WAY IN HELL should a team make it all the way to super bowl undefeated and gone through all that and than lose they just should not allowed that to happen. they came in to game way to cocky.

 

i love the PATS but to me that is the biggest CHOKE JOB IN HISTORY OF NFL.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

i will disagree with you big time on this one Birdbradybobby

 

i do agree that the VaGiants played a very good game. they had to, to beat the Patriots that year. But if a team goes 16-0 during the regular season and wins 2 playoff games to get to super bowl at 18-0 and LOSES it is the biggest choke one could have.

 

NO WAY IN HELL should a team make it all the way to super bowl undefeated and gone through all that and than lose they just should not allowed that to happen. they came in to game way to cocky.

 

i love the PATS but to me that is the biggest CHOKE JOB IN HISTORY OF NFL.

 

I think they were way off their game and the Tomase article pushed them over the edge. The Giants had to make the greatest play in Super Bowl history to win. I don't consider it a choke, just a badly coached game by Belichick and a great play by the Giants.

[PATSSOX 22]

I think they were way off their game and the Tomase article pushed them over the edge. The Giants had to make the greatest play in Super Bowl history to win. I don't consider it a choke, just a badly coached game by Belichick and a great play by the Giants.

 

 

you just explained what a CHOKE is

[kmbryant09 1]

1) I recognize Manning accomplishments while also recognizing that Brady's are better. His overall body of work, statistics, records held, both individual and team, win streaks, win percentage, clutch play, playoff performance, head to head performance, and 3 SuperBowls are more impressive than Mannings.

 

2) Awesome that you played All-State, that's a solid accomplishment but I guarantee you took every advantage you could get. The Patriots took advantage when they could and it was proven to be an unfair advantage, but it was only proven that they did it during 1 GAME! After that they walked through the league and won the AFC Championship. Like I said Spygate complaints are pretty pathetic. Especially after they dominated all season and lost in the SuperBowl. It worked out perfect for all you crybabies. Better than you could have hoped. Honestly you sound like a girl bringing up the same ###### over and over and over again. Get over it.

 

3) The Patriots didn't choke. The Giants came in and smashed their faces and forced the Patriots to fight back. The Patriots did and Brady drove them to a lead that they hold most of the time. Check the stats. But the Giants made a miraculous play and Coach Belichick called a blitz leaving Plaxico wide open for the touchdown. Game, set, SuperBowl. That's not choking that's losing to the better team that day, getting outcoached, and the Giants player making a play.

 

4) I have always contended that if the Patriots, Kraft, Belichick, had just come out early in the season and been honest and open about SpyGate it would have been swept away and the fans/media would have moved on. However the Pats let it fester all season and I believe it ultimately distracted us enough that we lost focus and stopped playing at a peak level. We had the best team that season and should have won the SuperBowl but we lost focus and couldn't regain it in time to beat a tough smashmouth world champion like the Giants. You can't come into a SuperBowl distracted.

 

5) Sure I'm going to stalk Tom Brady. Get a grip peanut head.

1). Lets look at what you wrote -

overall body of work: Manning

statistics: Manning

records held, ind.: Manning

records held, team: push

win streaks: push

win %: Brady

clutch play: push - Brady has done it more often, but Manning is asked to do more

playoff performance: Brady

head-to-head: Brady i guess, but the Colts have won 4 of the last 5 I believe, so close

 

So overall, it's pretty tight, but the only categories Brady wins are team oriented. I'll admit that the Patriots have had better teams than the Colts since both QBs entered the league. If you take Manning off the Colts, they win maybe 4 games. If you take Brady off the Pats, well they go 11-5.

 

2). I did nothing close to "everything I could to gain an advantage". That would include doing steroids, or obtaining copies of the other team's playbook or spying on their practices, etc. I worked extremely hard in my own power, fairly, to become a better basketball player, not "whatever I could to win", there's a major difference.

 

3). Call the SuperBowl loss whatever you want, I was just merely addressing your statement in which you blamed SpyGate for your loss.

 

4). No1 cares

 

5). That's my point, that you and a lot of Patriot nation have some sort of sexual, ego insecurity, since you would literally have sex with Tom Brady. I don't get how you think that's normal

[kmbryant09 1]

I would make the comparison of Brady and Manning to Montana and Marino

 

I would honestly say Manning is better QB than Brady. I say that because of everything statisticlly he has done and how he runs and calls almost every play. But who would i want with the ball with 2 minutes to go and down by 4. BRADY

 

SO GO AHEAD LET ME HAVE IT

Thank you for finally admitting it

[bushy 0]

I would make the comparison of Brady and Manning to Montana and Marino

 

I would honestly say Manning is better QB than Brady. I say that because of everything statisticlly he has done and how he runs and calls almost every play. But who would i want with the ball with 2 minutes to go and down by 4. BRADY

 

SO GO AHEAD LET ME HAVE IT

 

I think you would want to be down by less than 3. Brady doesn't lead touchdown winning drives. He leads field goal winning drives.

[edjr 6,580]

I hope none of you in this thread ever have children.

[mzf5c5 0]

Here is a national pole!

 

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=46&sCat=809

 

Only one that the Colts aren't winning, which is better at defense and that is 49% to 51% in favor of Pats. So even close, the others are dominated by the Colts.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

1). Lets look at what you wrote -

overall body of work: Manning

statistics: Manning

records held, ind.: Manning

records held, team: push

win streaks: push

win %: Brady

clutch play: push - Brady has done it more often, but Manning is asked to do more

playoff performance: Brady

head-to-head: Brady i guess, but the Colts have won 4 of the last 5 I believe, so close

KM Bryant you are nuts I mean truly.

 

First, overall body of work comes last. It only came first when I was .. oh forget it you are just too aggravating.

 

Examples of your insanity.

 

Win streaks, Team records? Brady has every significant team win streak in NFL History

Clutch Play? HAH

Individual Records? Brady has the single season TD record. HELLO

All Manning has is statistics.

[mzf5c5 0]

Win streaks, Team records? Brady has every significant team win streak in NFL History

 

He doesn't have 6 or 7 seasons of winning 12 games or more in a row...very significate team win streak if you ask me. Very impressive for any team/club to have that many good winning seasons! NOW, finish in the playoffs and I be even more happy!

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

to add up all the talk in here...........

 

I get this as the score...

 

Titles: brady

hotter wife: brady

more playoff wins: brady

 

better looking guy: brady

 

better regular season record against the other guy: brady

 

better coach: brady

 

better #1 wr: brady

 

better run game: brady

 

i could go on all day here...................pats win big

[IndyFan 2]

This thread has apparently become a Brady vs Manning thread , so here's my two cents. Brady and Manning are BOTH HOF quarterbacks.

 

Brady has a spectacular playoff record and has the rings to prove it - no argument. You must also consider that he did it in the early years without the outstanding wr corp he now has. He also had a much better defense than Manning has ever had. Brady has a 93.4 career qb rating

 

Manning is the better regular season stat machine. If he needed to play the last three games in 2004 the TD record would be his by a large margin. He only threw the ball 497 times that year and didn't throw at all in the second half of a lot of games. In 2007 Brady threw 578 times and had one more TD. Manning has not been as successful in the post season but has a slightly better career qb rating of 95.4

 

What this all means is that you can make a case for either of these guys based upon how you interpret the numbers and which numbers you choose to use. I, for one, am going to sit back and enjoy watching two of the greatest qbs of all time battle on Sunday Nite. While rooting for Manning, I have no trouble appreciating Brady (especially because I own Moss)

[9-Route 0]

so if manning and brady make a secret pact to fake injuries, not play, and instead meet up to chat and watch air jordan highlights........

 

who wins the game if sorgi and hoyer play qb???