D-will

[cdogge 17]

How good this guy would be if he played on a real team? I mean really is anybody scared of Jake D? He seriously might be worse than J Russell.

[Kingstowne Dealers 14]

How good this guy would be if he played on a real team? I mean really is anybody scared of Jake D? He seriously might be worse than J Russell.

He makes Chad Henne look like the 3rd Manning

[murf74 461]

Imagine how good he would be if dumbass Fox didn't think he needed to force feed Stewart. Someone needs to let him know that it's OK to keep giving the Ball to Dwill more than one or two times a drive. It's like DWill gains 19 yards and his reward is ride the bench for the rest of the series while Jonathan "the drive killer" Stewart carries it the rest of the way.

 

I would probably have at least 3 more wins if he would just let him play like a normal feature back.

 

I won't draft Dwill again unless they get a new coach or "the drive killer" is off the team.

[FeelingMN 273]

Imagine how good he would be if dumbass Fox didn't think he needed to force feed Stewart. Someone needs to let him know that it's OK to keep giving the Ball to Dwill more than one or two times a drive. It's like DWill gains 19 yards and his reward is ride the bench for the rest of the series while Jonathan "the drive killer" Stewart carries it the rest of the way.

 

I would probably have at least 3 more wins if he would just let him play like a normal feature back.

 

I won't draft Dwill again unless they get a new coach or "the drive killer" is off the team.

 

This.

 

Hell, imagine what DWill could do with a consistent 20-25 touches per game. Obviously Fox has never been a fan of Williams because he's always had a second/lesser back to pair with DWill. First with Foster, now with Stewart.

 

Does Fox make it another year?

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I don't get to see Williams play much but damn......he's good.

[jgcrawfish 232]

This.

 

Hell, imagine what DWill could do with a consistent 20-25 touches per game. Obviously Fox has never been a fan of Williams because he's always had a second/lesser back to pair with DWill. First with Foster, now with Stewart.

 

Does Fox make it another year?

 

um, what he'd do is be injured all the time.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

um, what he'd do is be injured all the time.

Maybe, but 13 carries isn't enough. You need to get the ball to him more. Averaged over 9 yards per carry. They pull him too much.

[e-factor 13]

Williams: 13 carries for 122 yards.

Stewart: 12 carries for 43 yards

 

If I'm only going to run the ball 25 times, I would make sure Williams got 20 of the carries.

 

1st and goal from the 6. Three straight passes. Field goal.

1st and goal from the 8. A Stewart run and two passes. Field goal.

 

Neither time did Williams touch the ball. Fox is a god damn genius................

[idiotec 31]

Have to agree here. First Carolina game I have been able to watch this year. Why Fox thinks he has to keep putting Stewart in there is beyond me, watching the two backs it is clear how much better Williams is. They turn into a different team in the red zone, a much worse different team. Tough to figure out.

[closetbrownsfan 0]

Have to agree here. First Carolina game I have been able to watch this year. Why Fox thinks he has to keep putting Stewart in there is beyond me, watching the two backs it is clear how much better Williams is. They turn into a different team in the red zone, a much worse different team. Tough to figure out.

 

Frustrated DWill owner who has watched a lot of Carolina games this year.

 

Going into last night ratio has been a little under 65/35 with red zone being split fairly evenly.

Personally think it needs to be more like 70/30.

 

JStew is a good back, DWill is a special back.

 

Last night was mystifying. In such an important game, and with DWill running so well and JStew not

they go to a 50/50 split and freeze DWill out of any red zone touches?? Unbelievable!

 

I would have loved to see what DWill would have done with 20-25 touches and red zone opportunities

last night.

 

Miami DC was probably breathing sighs of relief seeing DWill pulled every time Carolina reached the

red zone.

[cdogge 17]

Frustrated DWill owner who has watched a lot of Carolina games this year.

 

Going into last night ratio has been a little under 65/35 with red zone being split fairly evenly.

Personally think it needs to be more like 70/30.

 

JStew is a good back, DWill is a special back.

 

Last night was mystifying. In such an important game, and with DWill running so well and JStew not

they go to a 50/50 split and freeze DWill out of any red zone touches?? Unbelievable!

 

I would have loved to see what DWill would have done with 20-25 touches and red zone opportunities

last night.

 

Miami DC was probably breathing sighs of relief seeing DWill pulled every time Carolina reached the

red zone.

 

Yep.. I have watched a lot of their games this year as well and I feel the same way.

 

If D-will would have had 20 touches last night he would have had 200+ yards and 2td's..

Man I hated to see him get pulled down after that long run... (I bet I freakin lose by 6 points this week)

[RoadLizard 73]

um, what he'd do is be injured all the time.

 

How do you figure? Good RBs consistentyly get 20+ carries a game. But, in the new-fangled NFL, we cant let anyone have more than 10 touches a game. Fock.

 

D-Will is probably the best RB in the NFL. I hope the rumors that Cower is looking into coaching Carolina. He would feed D-Will all game long!

[gridiron whirlwinds 10]

The last few games he has been seeing 20-25 touches a game and they have been winning.....they just got away from what they do best .

 

what they do best is run the football.....they had 26 rushes for like 177 yards.

 

With a first and goal from the 6 or 7 yard line.....it is beyond me why you would not want Deangello to have the ball......."CHILD PLEASE"

[m4rk0 0]

Yeah that play calling most likely cost me a win this week. F*** you John Fox.

[Borat33 17]

Yeah I do not understand Fox at all. D-will did have 20 td's a year ago so obviously he has a nose for the endzone. Why he refuses to give him red zone looks, or even worse, throws the ball with Delhomme is just baffling. Honestly I think Fox is done. I think Cowher will be there next year.

[Headslap75 0]

Yeah that play calling most likely cost me a win this week. F*** you John Fox.

I don't know you or your opponents team's.......but how has your game most likely been decided at this point??

[m4rk0 0]

I don't know you or your opponents team's.......but how has your game probably been decided at this point??

I'm playing the points leader this week and DWill is my homerun stud. A score or two would have given me a fighting chance against this juggernaut.

[Headslap75 0]

I'm playing the points leader this week and DWill is my homerun stud. A score or two would have given me a fighting chance against this juggernaut.

Gotcha.....I could have used the pts as well. John Fox should be fired on the spot for his coaching performance last night. I can only guess w/both R.Bs dinged he was trying to limit carries on the short week of rest???

[gridiron whirlwinds 10]

Gotcha.....I could have used the pts as well. John Fox should be fired on the spot for his coaching performance last night. I can only guess w/both R.Bs dinged he was trying to limit carries on the short week of rest???

 

Great Point

[The Moz 72]

Dwill is maybe the best back at making something out of nothing since Mr. Sanders.

 

That 15 yard run to set up a field goal in the second half was maybe the best run I seen all season. 99 of a 100 RB's lose 5 yards on that play.

[gridiron whirlwinds 10]

Dwill is maybe the best back at making something out of nothing since Mr. Sanders.

 

That 15 yard run to set up a field goal in the second half was maybe the best run I seen all season. 99 of a 100 RB's lose 5 yards on that play.

 

I agree...this kids patience, vision and balance are sick. he is a treat to watch.

[Armchair_Quarterback44 0]

How good this guy would be if he played on a real team? I mean really is anybody scared of Jake D? He seriously might be worse than J Russell.

 

 

Sounds familiar..........see Barry Sanders fans

[dreadlocks34 0]

How good would Barry sanders have been if he played on those cowboy team instead of Emmitt smith? The question is pretty pointless.

[The Moz 72]

How good would Barry sanders have been if he played on those cowboy team instead of Emmitt smith? The question is pretty pointless.

 

 

I can answer it ... if Barry had truck size holes like Emmitt had those years Barry would be considered > J. Brown! Seriously he would of averaged over 2K yards for 5 years! Dallas had the greatest Oline in history and Emmitt gets credit for being one of the G.O.A.T.'s when Emmitt was a very good back with heart but nothing near the talent of many others.

 

in open field unless you got lucky an guessed right noone could take Barry 1-1 hell not really 2-1 it took a group effort to contain him. if he could easily make it to the 2nd level like Emmitt was doing due to his oline -- WOW..

[Armchair_Quarterback44 0]

I can answer it ... if Barry had truck size holes like Emmitt had those years Barry would be considered > J. Brown! Seriously he would of averaged over 2K yards for 5 years! Dallas had the greatest Oline in history and Emmitt gets credit for being one of the G.O.A.T.'s when Emmitt was a very good back with heart but nothing near the talent of many others.

 

in open field unless you got lucky an guessed right noone could take Barry 1-1 hell not really 2-1 it took a group effort to contain him. if he could easily make it to the 2nd level like Emmitt was doing due to his oline -- WOW..

 

 

All very true. Now comes the E Smith fans to ATTEMPT to disprove it........

[gridiron whirlwinds 10]

I agree ....Sanders had way more talent than Emmitt.

 

Emmitt was still one helluva back.

 

Ray Rice is starting to remind me alot of Emmitt Smith actually......

 

Rice has great vision and unbelievable balance , just like Emmitt....he has decent speed, but nothing close to Deangelo .

[Buck Throbbington 0]

Frustrated DWill owner who has watched a lot of Carolina games this year.

 

Going into last night ratio has been a little under 65/35 with red zone being split fairly evenly.

Personally think it needs to be more like 70/30.

 

JStew is a good back, DWill is a special back.

 

Last night was mystifying. In such an important game, and with DWill running so well and JStew not

they go to a 50/50 split and freeze DWill out of any red zone touches?? Unbelievable!

 

I would have loved to see what DWill would have done with 20-25 touches and red zone opportunities

last night.

 

Miami DC was probably breathing sighs of relief seeing DWill pulled every time Carolina reached the

red zone.

I've watched alot of Carolina as well and I totally agree. From a fantasy perspective, it's hard to b!tch too much when DWill scores 15.1 points. However, from an NFL perspective that ridiculous running back split made no sense. I think Stewart is an above average back and may eventually become a very good back, but right now he can't hold DWill's jock. You have to ride DWill when he's hot like last night. I wonder if they feel some obligation to run Stewart because he was a first round pick. The only reasonable explanation would be they limited DWill's carries since his knee is a little dinged. I didn't hear anything like that from Fox though.

 

Here's a few notes to the Carolina coaching staff. It seems they are the only one's oblivious to these facts:

 

1. IT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE TO RUN THE BALL 60% OF THE TIME IF IT'S WORKING! Run the focking ball on 1st, 2nd, and maybe even 3rd down until the opponent proves they can stop you.

2. Delhomme sucks. Enough said.

3. Stewart is NOT a better short yardage/red zone back. DWill scored 20 focking TD's last year, he knows how to find the end zone.

4. Go back and watch DWill's run late in the 3rd quarter where he reversed field and gained 18 yards. I don't know what "it" is, but DWill's got it!

5. Early in the game when you have 3rd and 1, don't throw a bomb and kill the drive. Refer to #1 above.

6. If you run all the way down the field and get 1st and Goal, then for the love of god at least TRY to run it in. Once again, refer to #1 above.

7. Who the fock is Sutton?

 

OK, rant over. It's just so damn frustrating to watch Carolina at times. I thought they had put this type of bullsh!t behind them after the Dallas game, but apparently not. Oh well, I guess us DWill owners can take some solace in that we have him and not someone like Forte, LT, or Westbrook. He was still the #5 RB in my league going into this week even though he is grossly misused at times.

[dreadlocks34 0]

This thread sums up real football vs. Fantasy football about as well as could ever be done. It's actually quite humorous.

[m4rk0 0]

This thread sums up real football vs. Fantasy football about as well as could ever be done. It's actually quite humorous.

By using DWill more often last night the Panthers would have had a better chance of winning and fantasy owners of DWill would also have been happy. I'm not sure I get where you're coming from.

[Houston Texans 10]

This thread sums up real football vs. Fantasy football about as well as could ever be done. It's actually quite humorous.

No offense, but either you don't know a damn thing about real football, or you're just an idiot. The mis-use of Williams last night (& to a lesser extent, Stewart) cost the Panthers the game (the REAL football game). That same mis-use obviously also hurt Williams' FF numbers.

 

The Panthers made a number of strategical errors that cost them the game last night.

 

1) 1st and goal at the 7. They have two RBs in their stable who rushed for double digit TDs last year. One of them is averaging 5.1 ypc this year, and one is averaging 4.8 ypc. So what do they do? They decide to run three straight pass plays with their QB who completes under 60% of his passes, and has thrown twice as many INTs as TDs.

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hurt FF stats of Williams and Stewart owners.

 

2) On two separate occasions, deciding to throw long passes on third and short, rather than short, safer passes or running plays. One of those plays resulted in an incompletion and a punt, one resulted in an INT (and a loss of 3 points, as they wre easily in FG range). Again, your RBs are your strength, relying on your QB when you don't need to is a mistake.

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hurt FF stats of Williams and Stewart owners.

 

3) Utilizing Stewart (and Sutton, to a lesser degree) too much. I understand that there is sharing situation, but when one RB is hot, continually taking him out to give the other guy touches hurts the team, especially if the 2nd RB is not having a good day. It kills drives, and puts your weak D back on the field too quickly.

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hur the FF stats of Williams.

[Buck Throbbington 0]

No offense, but either you don't know a damn thing about real football, or you're just an idiot. The mis-use of Williams last night (& to a lesser extent, Stewart) cost the Panthers the game (the REAL football game). That same mis-use obviously also hurt Williams' FF numbers.

 

The Panthers made a number of strategical errors that cost them the game last night.

 

1) 1st and goal at the 7. They have two RBs in their stable who rushed for double digit TDs last year. One of them is averaging 5.1 ypc this year, and one is averaging 4.8 ypc. So what do they do? They decide to run three straight pass plays with their QB who completes under 60% of his passes, and has thrown twice as many INTs as TDs.

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hurt FF stats of Williams and Stewart owners.

 

2) On two separate occasions, deciding to throw long passes on third and short, rather than short, safer passes or running plays. One of those plays resulted in an incompletion and a punt, one resulted in an INT (and a loss of 3 points, as they wre easily in FG range). Again, your RBs are your strength, relying on your QB when you don't need to is a mistake.

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hurt FF stats of Williams and Stewart owners.

 

3) Utilizing Stewart (and Sutton, to a lesser degree) too much. I understand that there is sharing situation, but when one RB is hot, continually taking him out to give the other guy touches hurts the team, especially if the 2nd RB is not having a good day. It kills drives, and puts your weak D back on the field too quickly.

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hur the FF stats of Williams.

Well put.

[cdogge 17]

No offense, but either you don't know a damn thing about real football, or you're just an idiot. The mis-use of Williams last night (& to a lesser extent, Stewart) cost the Panthers the game (the REAL football game). That same mis-use obviously also hurt Williams' FF numbers.

 

The Panthers made a number of strategical errors that cost them the game last night.

 

1) 1st and goal at the 7. They have two RBs in their stable who rushed for double digit TDs last year. One of them is averaging 5.1 ypc this year, and one is averaging 4.8 ypc. So what do they do? They decide to run three straight pass plays with their QB who completes under 60% of his passes, and has thrown twice as many INTs as TDs.

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hurt FF stats of Williams and Stewart owners.

 

2) On two separate occasions, deciding to throw long passes on third and short, rather than short, safer passes or running plays. One of those plays resulted in an incompletion and a punt, one resulted in an INT (and a loss of 3 points, as they wre easily in FG range). Again, your RBs are your strength, relying on your QB when you don't need to is a mistake.

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hurt FF stats of Williams and Stewart owners.

 

3) Utilizing Stewart (and Sutton, to a lesser degree) too much. I understand that there is sharing situation, but when one RB is hot, continually taking him out to give the other guy touches hurts the team, especially if the 2nd RB is not having a good day. It kills drives, and puts your weak D back on the field too quickly.

 

 

 

100% perfect

REAL FOOTBALL ERROR that hur the FF stats of Williams.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I can only guess w/both R.Bs dinged he was trying to limit carries on the short week of rest???

This is what I figure as well. But it's a fine line in that game since the difference between 5-5 and 4-6 looks pretty big right now for the playoff picture. They have a week and a half now to get healthy. That was no time to treat Deangelo with kid gloves.