Seahawks fans

[Lackman 0]

We disagree about Spiller, which is fine. I think he is nothing special, you think he is a difference maker. We disagree. No worries. If the Seahawks take Spiller at #14, it's more forgivable mistake, but not if that pick could have been used to grab Brandon Marshall. Now, HE is a difference maker, no doubt.

 

As far as the Jets comment and Brady, what I mean is I don't want a situation where a pick is made that is so bizarre, that the fans at draft headquarters were so upset by the pick, ESPN still replays the scene every year. I don't want to see "With the 6th pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Taylor Mays." I would punch myself unconscious. I fear this draft, because I'm not convinced the front office knows what the fock they are doing.

 

If Seattle takes a LT after two other teams go LT before them, I would feel cheated. It's as if we are taking the 3rd best player at a position, when the best FS for example in Berry is available. When you have as many holes as we do, I want the best player taken at their position regardless of position, as I am a big proponent of value based drafting. Nothing ridiculous, like taking the best punter. But within reason. When you draft for need, you end up staying out of the playoffs and quickly go to the unemployment line. The best NFL front offices consistently draft for best player available.

 

It's fine that we disagree. It creates healthy conversation. At least until our thread gets deleted again, and we start over.

[Hawkfin 32]

We disagree about Spiller, which is fine. I think he is nothing special, you think he is a difference maker. We disagree. No worries. If the Seahawks take Spiller at #14, it's more forgivable mistake, but not if that pick could have been used to grab Brandon Marshall. Now, HE is a difference maker, no doubt.

 

As far as the Jets comment and Brady, what I mean is I don't want a situation where a pick is made that is so bizarre, that the fans at draft headquarters were so upset by the pick, ESPN still replays the scene every year. I don't want to see "With the 6th pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Taylor Mays." I would punch myself unconscious. I fear this draft, because I'm not convinced the front office knows what the fock they are doing.

 

If Seattle takes a LT after two other teams go LT before them, I would feel cheated. It's as if we are taking the 3rd best player at a position, when the best FS for example in Berry is available. When you have as many holes as we do, I want the best player taken at their position regardless of position, as I am a big proponent of value based drafting. Nothing ridiculous, like taking the best punter. But within reason. When you draft for need, you end up staying out of the playoffs and quickly go to the unemployment line. The best NFL front offices consistently draft for best player available.

 

It's fine that we disagree. It creates healthy conversation. At least until our thread gets deleted again, and we start over.

 

I also enjoy the healthy conversation and debate.

 

I agree about the 3rd LT - I just think Williams is a 1B to where the other guy is a 1A - Then you have Bulaga who is a 2. I don't want the 2 either. But, T. Williams IS a value at #6. He might not even be there for us at #6 even.

(I agree Spiller is a bit of a reach at 6, but he's still a first round talent in most views/mine and since i think he is a differance maker I'd be fine with it - He still a 1 at his possition at least, even though I guess you don't think so)

 

Also, I understand and agree with the ideas of value based drafting. But, If there is a guy that is still projected in the 1st round and I really like him and I know he's going to be gone. I'll reach and take my man. Afterall this is who you live or die with. I'll trust my evaluations.

But, then I'll maintain my value based drafting with the rest of the draft.......

 

EX. Most people had 4.24 as the #6-8 pick in F.F. this last year - Some even late first rounder or some even said 2nd round.

I took him at 1.3 - And I loved my decision. I reached "a bit" - But if you really like the guy and he's "close" to value then I'm cool with it.

 

Now when you (Like the Hawks) take a guy nobody has ever heard of and from a D2 school early in the draft and not even close to projected there, then YES I have a problem with it.

 

I would like to hear you're thoughts on Spiller as to why he's not a first round talent? Why he's not a differance maker/Playmaker in your view?

 

OH P.S. - Yes, If we took T. Mayes at #6 I'd also be just sick!!!!!

I guess I don't lable Spiller (clear cut #1 RB to me) in the Mayes (#3 safety) in the same category though, so I can't compare that as a similar example. (Saftey vs RB isn't even comparable to me)

[Kopy 489]

I have Okung and Williams as a 1A and 1B myself.

Bulgada as a round 2 guy.

The kids from Maryland and USC as round 3's

The Russian from UMASS round 4.

Everyone else later.

I did omit Davis from Rutgers. Headcase I want no part of. Reminds me of the kid Cincy drafted last year. Go somewhere's else.

[Hawkfin 32]

I have Okung and Williams as a 1A and 1B myself.

Bulgada as a round 2 guy.

The kids from Maryland and USC as round 3's

The Russian from UMASS round 4.

Everyone else later.

I did omit Davis from Rutgers. Headcase I want no part of. Reminds me of the kid Cincy drafted last year. Go somewhere's else.

 

This is pretty spot on with my thoughts too...

 

I want no part of Davis and I do feel Bulaga should be valued at a 2nd round, even though he's allot higher by most.

 

Basically: If we can't land Okung or Williams - then I want to wait on my Oline. Go get Marshall instead or some other playmaker on offense that will help our Oline in some way. (i.e. Spiller hahah)

 

Bruce Campbell/Maryland - He's kind of interesting though. He's probably my 2B with Bulaga 2A.

Most all these guy's are going in the first round though.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I have Okung and Williams as a 1A and 1B myself.

Bulgada as a round 2 guy.

The kids from Maryland and USC as round 3's

The Russian from UMASS round 4.

Everyone else later.

I did omit Davis from Rutgers. Headcase I want no part of. Reminds me of the kid Cincy drafted last year. Go somewhere's else.

 

I believe his name was Andre Davis, and I 100% agree.

 

And if we do take Spiller at 6, he better be more CJ then Bush.

 

Im hoping for a trade down (WAyyyyy down) with the #6...Morgan,Charles Brown, Haden or Spiller at #14, Earl Thomas with the pick we traded down, Then Brandon Marshall for the 60th and a 4th (Suck it McD!) Gibbs can grab his project LT and a Guard with later picks, and maybe a RB like McKnight (assuming we dont draft Spiller). Something along those lines. Dont draft any TE's and stay the fock away from Mays. I also dont trust Dez Bryant, he reminds me of Antonio Bryant...he'll flash his talent for another team after he burns his way out of Seattle.

 

The 22nd seems so far away. Thank god for fantasy baseball until then.

[Kopy 489]

This is pretty spot on with my thoughts too...

 

I want no part of Davis and I do feel Bulaga should be valued at a 2nd round, even though he's allot higher by most.

 

Basically: If we can't land Okung or Williams - then I want to wait on my Oline. Go get Marshall instead or some other playmaker on offense that will help our Oline in some way. (i.e. Spiller hahah)

 

Bruce Campbell/Maryland - He's kind of interesting though. He's probably my 2B with Bulaga 2A.

Most all these guy's are going in the first round though.

 

Campbell might actually be better than I give him credit for. I just always worry about the "Workout Warriors" label guys get from the combine. More often then not, they don't seem to live up to thier draft status.

[Raider 84 29]

What's the word on Marshall signing with the Hawks? Are they moving in that direction?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

What's the word on Marshall signing with the Hawks? Are they moving in that direction?

 

Scheider was reportedly in "talks" with Marshall's agent two weeks ago. Haven't heard anything since. If it happens, it'll probably be draft day.

[MDC 5,875]

He was one of my favorite defensive players. His career high is 7 sacks, but he's only 25 and has big upside. Great athlete, high energy guy with a non-stop motor. Was top 10 last season in QB hits and has caused his share of fumbles throughout his career. Came into the league as a situational pass rusher, but has turned himself into a good all-around, every-down player.

 

With the changes Seattle is making to their defense, he was kind of a guy without a position. I think we gave him away for too little...I would have liked to have gotten at least a 3rd round pick for him. I assume he'll be manning the DE spot opposite Cole. Leaonard Weaver and now Tapp....you guys are welcome

 

Cool, glad to hear it. Hopefully on the opposite side of the line from Trent Cole he'll get back to his sack potential. I've heard he's a beast against the run - I suspect the Eagles are going to target DE in the draft (again) and try to find a pass-rushing specialist, so Tapp probably won't be a full-time player.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Cool, glad to hear it. Hopefully on the opposite side of the line from Trent Cole he'll get back to his sack potential. I've heard he's a beast against the run - I suspect the Eagles are going to target DE in the draft (again) and try to find a pass-rushing specialist, so Tapp probably won't be a full-time player.

 

If they are keeping him fresh and using him mainly as a pass rusher he could definitely be in for a 10+ sack season. If he works out for you guys as well as Weaver I'll be

[MDC 5,875]

If they are keeping him fresh and using him mainly as a pass rusher he could definitely be in for a 10+ sack season. If he works out for you guys as well as Weaver I'll be

 

The Eagles really thinned out their cluster-f#$% at DE. Right now they only have four on the roster:

 

Cole

Abiamiri

Parker

Tapp

 

They typically carry 5-6 on the roster - I am sure they're going to draft at least another DE. Cole is pretty much an every down player but Abiamiri seems to get injured every year and Parker is best used as a backup. I'd be really surprised if they don't go after a DE somewhere. I also wouldn't be stunned if that's a position they target in the first. I just hope the Eagles don't end up with Dunlap - he's a dog.

[Lackman 0]

Here we go, what I expect at this point..

 

Rams: Bradford

Lions: Suh

Bucs: McCoy

Wash: Okung

Chiefs: T Williams/Berry

Seattle: T Williams/Berry

 

The first four are somewhat interchangeable, but I don't expect any to be available at #6. If one of the DT tackles slips down, I'll sh!t my pants in joy.

 

Seattle #14 = traded for 2nd round pick this year, 1st round pick 2011. Why? They want a pick in the 2nd round. Because they are trading either the picked up 2nd or #60 to Denver for Brandon Marshall, maybe Seattle throws in #133 5th rounder they got from Detroit to sweeten it. Denver will not get a 1st, and has to accept a lower offer as of this upcoming weekend if they want to deal Marshall.

 

Seattle gains Williams/Berry, Brandon Marshall, 1st round pick next year, 2nd round pick this year, Whitehurst

Seattle gives up #14, 2nd round pick this year, 3rd round pick next year(Whitehurst), 5th rounder this year.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

If one of the DT tackles slips down, I'll sh!t my pants in joy.

 

You won't be the only one loading your pants in that situation.

[Kopy 489]

"Pete Carroll's plan: Challenge the Seahawks to greatness

Under former general manager Tim Ruskell, the franchise took a wrong turn. It will be Carroll's job to bring it back from the land of the lost. He will rebuild it by throwing open every job to competition. No position is safe.

 

Steve Kelley

 

Seattle Times staff columnist

 

 

 

 

Pete Carroll

 

RENTON — If you thought that a couple of months of watching tape of his threadbare team or watching the workouts of some of his returning players would diminish Pete Carroll's enthusiasm for his new job, well, you were wrong.

 

Carroll, a 58-year-old bundle of nervous energy who replaced Jim Mora as the Seahawks' head coach, sat on a sofa in his L-shaped office overlooking Lake Washington on Friday morning and spoke with the same cocksure swagger of his January debut news conference.

 

This was my first sit-down interview with Carroll, and it reminded me a lot of my first one-on-one meetings with Chuck Knox and Mike Holmgren.

 

There was the same self-confidence, the same swagger, the same kind of "Trust me — I know what I'm doing" belief in his system.

 

Like Knox and Holmgren before him, Carroll is here to fix what's wrong with the Seahawks. This is a franchise starting over with a coach who is starting over.

 

And after nine wildly successful seasons at USC, Carroll is coming back to the NFL, to the Seahawks, certain that his way can translate from Saturdays to Sundays.

 

"We have a way of doing things," Carroll said. "It's different and it works."

 

Under former general manager Tim Ruskell, this franchise took a wrong turn. It will be Carroll's job to bring it back from the land of the lost.

 

He will rebuild it by throwing open every job to competition. No position is safe.

 

"That's just a mind-set that we've had for years," he said. "We're starting brand new and everybody's a rookie, in a sense. As we go on, when we bring guys in, they go right to the front, right away. We're going to force them in. Tell them, 'Show us how you fit. How far can you take it? How much savvy do you have?'

 

"It's something we did at SC for years. Freshmen were brought in to start. Guys we draft will be brought in to start. The thought is, 'The opportunity is yours. Can you do it?' And if the veteran guys can hold them off? Awesome. Every guy who comes into the program from now on is going to be in that same situation."

 

To prove that point, the Seahawks controversially traded for — and handsomely paid — San Diego's third-string quarterback, Charlie Whitehurst, to push Matt Hasselbeck, who has been the face of the organization practically since the day he arrived in 2001.

 

It was almost as if they were telling the team, if Matt Hasselbeck isn't safe, nobody is.

 

"He (Whitehurst) is going to compete to see how far he can take it and how good is he," Carroll said. "I'm very excited about him. I'm not going to pigeonhole him. We know that Matt's our starter and we're thrilled to have him. But I don't know what's going to happen. Matt, Charlie, none of us does."

 

Through the course of a 45-minute interview, Carroll was engaging, if nonspecific. He often alluded to his time at USC. He talked at length about philosophy.

 

"I want to find out what guys can do that's unique about them," Carroll said, "Give me guys who have something unique and we'll fit them in. I like guys that are different and have their own way, style, manner about them."

 

Carroll, who previously had head-coaching stints with the Jets and Patriots, calls this philosophy of all-encompassing competition "the central theme of our program." It is a college philosophy he believes can work in the pros.

 

Of course, at USC he had a stable full of everything: running backs, safeties, linemen, receivers. He stockpiled greatness, something that is almost impossible to do in the NFL.

 

"We need depth. We need competitive situations at all spots," he said. "I don't feel like it's like that now. We're very thin in the secondary. Very thin up front defensively. Very thin in the offensive line.

 

"There just aren't a lot of quality competitive situations where guys are really battling and fighting and pushing for playing time. That's not right. We need every position to be competitive. If we don't have competition at every position, then we're not right yet."

 

His job is herculean. The Hawks have won just nine games in the past two seasons. Carroll admitted "it's going to take some time," but he cringed at the idea that his team might finish 4-12 this season.

 

"There's not much patience in this office," he said. "I'm not a very patient person, and we're going to do everything we can to win the first game and go from there. I'm not looking down the road. I don't think that way."

 

The Seahawks handled Mora's firing with all the grace of jackhammer bludgeoning a sidewalk. But it is apparent that if they were going to strip down the team and begin again, they needed to find a coach who is confident in his own skin, a coach who oozes belief.

 

"The key for us is to get our message out there to the players," Carroll said. "To philosophically get them drawn in to the way we do things. As much as this is a personnel league, I think, without our approach and the mentality that it brings, I don't think we're going anywhere."

 

Carroll looked over his right shoulder at the practice field where his new life begins in earnest at the first voluntary minicamp starting Tuesday.

 

"I'm excited to convey our message and see it come to life," he said. "We're going to light this thing up."

 

"

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Holmes getting sent to the Jets knocks out another potential suitor for Marshall. Who else could be in the market? Washington is always a player, but they have precious few draft picks. I've also heard that TO and McNabb are buddy buddy again, so he's now an option for them.

 

Marshall for a 2nd rounder has to be a lock right? If the Hawks are the only team interested, can he be had for a couple 4th rounders? This is getting good

[Hawkfin 32]

Holmes getting sent to the Jets knocks out another potential suitor for Marshall. Who else could be in the market? Washington is always a player, but they have precious few draft picks. I've also heard that TO and McNabb are buddy buddy again, so he's now an option for them.

 

Marshall for a 2nd rounder has to be a lock right? If the Hawks are the only team interested, can he be had for a couple 4th rounders? This is getting good

 

Ya, that Holmes trade is huge in my view for us getting Marshall.... I'm still shocked Pitts did that.

 

So Boldin for a 2nd+ and Holmes for a 5th (wow-thought it was a 2nd at least - Jets just raped Pitts) - I'm sure we can get Marshall for a 2nd rounder/+ now. We wont and shouldn't have to give either first. I think it's already been said they won't give our 1st rounders.

 

And if they do land Marshall with the 2nd, the Whitehurst trade makes so much more sense. I'll actually love what they did looking at it overall. Trade down with that 2nd, then give it away for Marshall. Gain a needed QB with potential. AWSOME.

 

I'll be pumped if we can make this happen with the 2nd rounder!

 

I want T. Williams, Spiller, Marshall = Our offense will be SO set and scary even. Marshall and Spiller could take it to the house at any time. STU would also be good. Our line would be improved somewhat, but hopefully coaching can help too.

Still could add some more guy's later in the draft at Oline.

 

But then just work on that defense with the rest of the draft!

 

[Kopy 489]

hill arrested.

 

We have Tatupu, Curry and the heater. Herring is a pretty damn good ST and backup LB too. I say get rid of this garbage. Hasn't been a stud since his rookie year. And didn't justify his big contract last year.

[remote controller 133]

I thought the Seahawks were taking a year off to regroup??

[Lackman 0]

hill arrested.

 

We have Tatupu, Curry and the heater. Herring is a pretty damn good ST and backup LB too. I say get rid of this garbage. Hasn't been a stud since his rookie year. And didn't justify his big contract last year.

 

From what I understand, Seattle has an easy out after two years of his 6 year deal. I'd hang on to him this year as it's Paul Allen's money, see if Carroll and Norton Jr can straighten the knucklehead out. He has talent, and I don't want to give him away like a Santonio Holmes.

 

The pot thing is troubling, but I don't put any stock into domestic abuse. Women create stories frequently in these situations, and you are guilty until proven innocent in such circumstances. You could call a woman a b!tch, and she will have the cops arrest you for verbal abuse, for example.

[Lackman 0]

I thought the Seahawks were taking a year off to regroup??

 

The Seahawk fans never take time off.

[Kopy 489]

From what I understand, Seattle has an easy out after two years of his 6 year deal. I'd hang on to him this year as it's Paul Allen's money, see if Carroll and Norton Jr can straighten the knucklehead out. He has talent, and I don't want to give him away like a Santonio Holmes.

 

The pot thing is troubling, but I don't put any stock into domestic abuse. Women create stories frequently in these situations, and you are guilty until proven innocent in such circumstances. You could call a woman a b!tch, and she will have the cops arrest you for verbal abuse, for example.

Problem is. He's already on a 1 year probation after pleading guilty for the pot.

 

This incident wasn't name calling. When the police showed up they saw physical evidence of the domestic abuse on her body. So unless she has a change of heart and doesn't pursue charges after all. He'll still be in trouble with at least the NFL. If she goes for blood, he be in trouble with the law too.

 

LB is the only position Ruskell did right. We're good and deep. Hill could be more trouble than he's worth with no salary cap.

[Kopy 489]

Maybe some good new though.

Marshall is in Denver today meeting with McDaniels. This could be him signing his tender.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

hill arrested.

 

We have Tatupu, Curry and the heater. Herring is a pretty damn good ST and backup LB too. I say get rid of this garbage. Hasn't been a stud since his rookie year. And didn't justify his big contract last year.

 

 

Idiot. I think we should hang on for one more year too though. He's exactly the type of player that would have a career year as soon as we cut him.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Marshall signs his tender. He should be a Seahawk by draft day:

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...304&id=3653

 

Kerney retiring. No biggie, 2007 was fun:

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...304&id=2161

[WhiteWonder 2,170]

If Seattle takes a LT after two other teams go LT before them, I would feel cheated. It's as if we are taking the 3rd best player at a position, when the best FS for example in Berry is available. When you have as many holes as we do, I want the best player taken at their position regardless of position, as I am a big proponent of value based drafting.

 

have to look at it less by how "experts" rank them and hope your team sees a players true potential. Just because you get the 3rd LT off the board doesnt mean he isn't the best LT and if it fits a need, there is no shame in doing that.

 

I like VBD but I like it in conjunction with team needs. If a team is STACKED at WR or something, I would not take a WR just because I think he is the best prospect on the board. I would take the best prospect at a pre determined position of need.

[Lackman 0]

Miami is now rumored to be involved in the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes.

[Lackman 0]

have to look at it less by how "experts" rank them and hope your team sees a players true potential. Just because you get the 3rd LT off the board doesnt mean he isn't the best LT and if it fits a need, there is no shame in doing that.

 

I like VBD but I like it in conjunction with team needs. If a team is STACKED at WR or something, I would not take a WR just because I think he is the best prospect on the board. I would take the best prospect at a pre determined position of need.

 

I guess it helps my opinion in that my cheat sheet is just about finalized, and I think there is a significant drop off from Okung and Williams in the first tier of LT and Bulaga in the 2nd tier.

 

I respect VBD within reason, but Seattle has so many holes right now, it's hard not to draft for best available player. I can't imagine forcing a pick at LT when there are thousands of other holes where you could grab the best or even second best player available.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Miami is now rumored to be involved in the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes.

 

I have heard those rumors as well. I've heard unconfirmed rumors about Tampa as well.

[Kopy 489]

Looks like Miami for a 2nd this year and next.

[Lackman 0]

Looks like Miami for a 2nd this year and next.

 

[Hawkfin 32]

 

We screwed up by not getting Marshall - We should have made that happen. We could have kept our 1st in doing it.

 

We are opening more holes every day and not doing a thing about it. Now Kerney gone too.

I understand it's a complete rebuild here, but we could have made a huge dent with adding Marshall and at least be in some games.

 

We are looking at a top 5 pick next year again. Maybe that's what they want.

 

I have NO faith in our organization again. We probably draft Bulaga and Mayes next.

[Inhiding 0]

 

As a 9'er fan, I LOVE IT!!

[WhiteWonder 2,170]

I have NO faith in our organization again. We probably draft Bulaga and Mayes next.

 

I have a feeling the Hawks will draft the best LT available (Williams or Baluga) at 6 and Taylor Mays at 14. Hawks need a safety and will Carrol pass up his own guy?

[WhiteWonder 2,170]

Lackman

 

wanted to add some thought I had regarding the hawks, wanting picks over marshall, and their general rebuilding but didn't want to get that Marshall thread too far off track so i'll bring it here where it belongs

 

I wanted to use my Jets as an example. I look at 2005/06 as the time the Jets decided to rebuild more or less. We had a coaching change to Mangini (ignore that) and Mike T took over as GM. The roster at the time wasn't spectacular. Cotchery, Ellis and Moore are the only impact players still on the team today from their 2005 roster. In Mike T's first draft the Jets had the luxury of 2 first rounders (much like the Hawks) picks 4 and 29 which became Ferguson and Mangold.

 

Since then, the Jets have continually traded away draft picks in order to move up and get targetted players. In 07 they moved up for Revis in round 1 and moved up again in round 2 for David Harris. In 2008 they traded back into round 1 for Dustin Keller. Obviously in 2009 they traded up for Mark Sanchez and did so again for Shonn Greene with the first pick in round 3. All these guys are regarded as cornerstones for the franchise.

 

The Jets have made a habbit of trading away quantity of picks for quality players and I feel the Seahawks could have viewed a trade for Marshall in the very same way considering his age. Furthermore, the Jets made these trades for unknown players. They had strong convictions about them and they have largely been correct but there was no guarantee. Marshall is a guarantee as far as skill is concerned.

 

Another thing this has done for the Jets is make them a more attractive destination. Players like Nnamdi came out and said they wanted to play in NY alongside Revis. LT chose New York over Minnesota because of the offensive line we built. It didn't take many draft picks to do this.

 

Hindsight is 20/20 ofcourse, so forgetting Sarah Brandon Marshall, I still think the quality over quantity route is a good one to hope the Seahawks take. "We have so many holes" is a valid arguement but the 2005 Jets were a 4-12 team with alot of holes as well.

[Lackman 0]

Lackman

 

wanted to add some thought I had regarding the hawks, wanting picks over marshall, and their general rebuilding but didn't want to get that Marshall thread too far off track so i'll bring it here where it belongs

 

I wanted to use my Jets as an example. I look at 2005/06 as the time the Jets decided to rebuild more or less. We had a coaching change to Mangini (ignore that) and Mike T took over as GM. The roster at the time wasn't spectacular. Cotchery, Ellis and Moore are the only impact players still on the team today from their 2005 roster. In Mike T's first draft the Jets had the luxury of 2 first rounders (much like the Hawks) picks 4 and 29 which became Ferguson and Mangold.

 

Since then, the Jets have continually traded away draft picks in order to move up and get targetted players. In 07 they moved up for Revis in round 1 and moved up again in round 2 for David Harris. In 2008 they traded back into round 1 for Dustin Keller. Obviously in 2009 they traded up for Mark Sanchez and did so again for Shonn Greene with the first pick in round 3. All these guys are regarded as cornerstones for the franchise.

 

The Jets have made a habbit of trading away quantity of picks for quality players and I feel the Seahawks could have viewed a trade for Marshall in the very same way considering his age. Furthermore, the Jets made these trades for unknown players. They had strong convictions about them and they have largely been correct but there was no guarantee. Marshall is a guarantee as far as skill is concerned.

 

Another thing this has done for the Jets is make them a more attractive destination. Players like Nnamdi came out and said they wanted to play in NY alongside Revis. LT chose New York over Minnesota because of the offensive line we built. It didn't take many draft picks to do this.

 

Hindsight is 20/20 ofcourse, so forgetting Sarah Brandon Marshall, I still think the quality over quantity route is a good one to hope the Seahawks take. "We have so many holes" is a valid arguement but the 2005 Jets were a 4-12 team with alot of holes as well.

 

Valid. However...

 

if you pull the trigger on the Marshall trade, it probably would have had to have been #14 overall this year. Two 2nds is lower than Miami's offer. But let's say Denver takes Seattle's two seconds, this year and next year.

 

Seattle can't follow the same blue print because they cannot move up in subsequent drafts to grab targeted players. They do not have the draft capital. No 2nds or 3rds for the next two years. If anything, it forces trade downs to acquire picks. And if you don't trade #14 this year to Denver for Marshall, you still need to trade down anyway this year.

 

While I lust, well maybe not lust, drool over acquiring Marshall, it completely takes away any and all flexibility.

 

The Jets did a really nice job of rebuilding. I hope we can do the same.

[WhiteWonder 2,170]

Seattle can't follow the same blue print because they cannot move up in subsequent drafts to grab targeted players. They do not have the draft capital. No 2nds or 3rds for the next two years. If anything, it forces trade downs to acquire picks. And if you don't trade #14 this year to Denver for Marshall, you still need to trade down anyway this year.

 

aha! but my point was that Seattle would consider Marshall to be the player they moved up for. The Jets gave up their 2nd rounder to move up for Sanchez. The Seahawks give up their 2nd rounder to move up for Marshall... thats where I was going. The Jets in effect used their 1st and 2nd round picks last year on Mark Sanchez. The Seahawks would have used their 2nd and 2nd round picks on Marshall......

 

as far as if the Seahawks could have even made a trade happen, who knows. We are assuming alot of things. Could they have offered 2 2nd's last week and done the deal before Miami made an offer? When did Miami make the offer? Would Denver have continued to shop Marshall? No one really knows for sure but you seemed to be acting like you wouldn't have wanted Seattle to do it if they could have.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I understand the value of quantity of picks, especially since this team has so many hole, but this still stings.

 

Carroll and Co. better do a GOD DAMN good job of drafting players with said picks. Looks like another season of stale, boring offense with absolutely nobody forcing defensive coordinators to work.

[Lackman 0]

aha! but my point was that Seattle would consider Marshall to be the player they moved up for. The Jets gave up their 2nd rounder to move up for Sanchez. The Seahawks give up their 2nd rounder to move up for Marshall... thats where I was going. The Jets in effect used their 1st and 2nd round picks last year on Mark Sanchez. The Seahawks would have used their 2nd and 2nd round picks on Marshall......

 

as far as if the Seahawks could have even made a trade happen, who knows. We are assuming alot of things. Could they have offered 2 2nd's last week and done the deal before Miami made an offer? When did Miami make the offer? Would Denver have continued to shop Marshall? No one really knows for sure but you seemed to be acting like you wouldn't have wanted Seattle to do it if they could have.

 

Denver had to sign Marshall, so they could deal him. The deadline was looming, I forget which day, maybe April 15th. Denver never backed off the demand of a 1st round pick according to both Denver and Seattle media reports that I have reading like an obsessive lunatic. Miami made an offer equivalent to a low end first, bingo, done deal. Miami wasn't even a rumor up until yesterday. And then it was a Ted Ginn for Marshall trade, with other stuff thrown in.

 

I don't know if I would have ultimately traded 2 2nds for Marshall. I really don't know. I'm torn on the price to pay. I would have dealt a 2nd and a 4th, but that wasn't going to be nearly enough. I stated earlier in this thread a couple of days ago that I anticipated a trade featuring a 2nd and an early 5th. I was wrong.

[Lackman 0]

I understand the value of quantity of picks, especially since this team has so many hole, but this still stings.

 

Carroll and Co. better do a GOD DAMN good job of drafting players with said picks. Looks like another season of stale, boring offense with absolutely nobody forcing defensive coordinators to work.

 

Carroll and Schneider have put all their eggs into this year's draft basket. They've acquired extra 4ths and 5ths because they believe they can stake their future on this draft. Even when they acquired Whitehurst, they didn't give up draft picks this year, but traded down in the 2nd and gave up next year's pick. It's a very, very deep draft, so I guess I understand the strategy.

 

They better be right.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Carroll and Schneider have put all their eggs into this year's draft basket. They've acquired extra 4ths and 5ths because they believe they can stake their future on this draft. Even when they acquired Whitehurst, they didn't give up draft picks this year, but traded down in the 2nd and gave up next year's pick. It's a very, very deep draft, so I guess I understand the strategy.

 

They better be right.

 

The amount of picks and all the reports of this being such a deep, talent-laden draft are the glimmer of hope. If the powers that be do a sh!itty job scouting and make the wrong selections, it doesn't matter how many draft picks they hold. We'll see, this offseason has definitely lost some luster.