Lets find some deep WR sleepers! Sleepers from past 3 years studied...

[c9h13no3 0]

Okay, so we all know the key to having a successful fantasy draft is to draft high production with your late round picks, and to avoid having your early round picks busting. Today, I've decided to concentrate on finding value deep in the draft (we'll say after pick 80), by looking for some sleeper WR's.

 

In the past three fantasy seasons, there have been 13 WR's that have cracked the top 20 (PPR scoring) in fantasy points scored that were drafted after pick 100. Here they are:

 

-2007-

Wes Welker

Brandon Marshall

Bobby Engram

Kevin Curtis

Greg Jennings

Derrick Mason

 

-2008-

Antonio Bryant

Lance Moore

Eddie Royal

Vincent Jackson

Derrick Mason

 

-2009-

Miles Austin

Steven Smith

Sidney Rice

Mike Sims-Walker

Derrick Mason

 

A few trends pop out here when looking at these names...

 

1) This group is predominantly young talent (12 of the 14 are in their 5th NFL season or younger).

2) There is only one rookie on this list (Eddie Royal), and he is the only rookie WR to break into the top 20 in the past three years.

3) The average QB throwing to this group scored 12.7 fantasy points per game. That number is fairly solid, but not amazing.

4) 7 out of 13 of these WR's came from teams with a "talent vacuum". I've defined a talent vacuum as either losing a strong 1000 yard WR (like when T.O. left Dallas, opening the door for Miles Austin), or if there were no strong WR's on the roster to begin with.

5) 8 out of 14 of these players have been starters in week 1.

6) Everyone has been betting Derrick Mason will give out for the past three years, and they've been wrong each year. In fact, Derrick Mason has had the worst QB play of any WR on this list (think about the Steve McNair/Kyle Boller year).

 

Thus, knowing this, I'd like to suggest a group of WR's that also follow these trends (2 to 4th year pros, with decent QB'ing, with a talent vacuum). All of these WR's are currently being drafted after the 100th overall pick, so we're talking super late rounds here.

 

 

-Eddie Royal (ADP 107) - People are quite sour on him, since he was such a bust in 2009. However, the reason for the bust was simple: Brandon Marshall is a more talented player than Royal, and Kyle Orton isn't good enough to feed two fantasy relevant WR's. Now Brandon Marshall doesn't exist in Denver, and those targets have to go somewhere. And Demaryius Thomas comes from an option style offense, learning a pro style offense will be quite a challange. Plus, Royal is actually cheaper on draft day than Thomas, even though he already has an 1,000 yard NFL season under his belt.

 

-Johnny Knox (ADP 122) - Showed talent in his rookie year, and has already been named the starter. Hester and Aromashodu also fit the bill of being young developing talents. You really couldn't go wrong picking any of these guys, but since we're essentially throwing darts here, I'll pick the one that comes the cheapest on draft day.

 

-An Oakland Raider WR - Jason Campbell has averaged 13 fantasy points per game over the last two seasons, and that's plenty enough to make a WR in Oakland fantasy relevant. He fed Santana Moss & Chris Cooley in Washington while playing in a run oriented offense. Chaz Schilens is entering his 3rd season, Louis Murphy and DHB are entering their 2nd seasons, so all the WR's in Oakland are of breakout age. If I had to throw a dart at a WR, I'd probably pick Murphy who had the most respectable 2009 season, but Schilens looks good as well. You could certainly use a 14th round pick in the fantasy draft on worse.

 

-Legendu Naanee - If Vincent Jackson doesn't start the regular season, he's going to leave 106 targets on the field. Its pretty obvious to pick Malcolm Floyd as the main beneficiary in this situation. However, Floyd is in his 7th year as a pro, and if he was a top 20 receiving talent, we'd have known it by now. Naanee is a 4th year pro, but he originally played QB in college, so he'll take longer to develop. He caught 24 of his 29 targets last year, and he's in the starting line up week 1 if Jackson doesn't suit up. In PPR leagues, I wouldn't be surprised if he put up decent numbers in 2010. So if you can't get Floyd, take a shot on Naanee in the super late rounds.

 

 

Honorable Mentions:

Jacoby Jones - If Daniels doesn't come back 100%, does Jones benefit?

Julian Edelman - Totally depends on Welker's health, likely won't start when Welker comes back, so unlikely to crack top 20.

Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly - Moss in HGH scandal could cause breakout year for either WR.

Golden Tate - Comes from a pro style offense @ Notre Dame, and I'm betting either Housh or Branch finds a way to get hurt.

Kenny Britt - Impressive rookie stats, but fat in OTA's and Titans likely don't throw enough to give high ceiling.

[kmbryant09 1]

Very insightful stuff - I appreciate the post...

 

I think it's a solid list, but the only one I'd really take a flier on is Eddie Royal. I'd gladly take him in the 9th-12th rounds as a #4/5 WR.

 

I like Johnny Knox, but I like Aromashadu better. And maybe even Devin Hester better.

I agree in Oakland, but which one? DHB probably has the most talent. Schilens is probably the most proven, but Murphy looked spectacular at times last season.

If Jackson leaves SD, I may change my stance on him. But Gates will always be the primary target, and it looks like Floyd is primed to take over Jackson's productivity. I think even with Jackson OUT OF TOWN, Naanne's ceiling is Floyd's stats last year (45/700/3-5 TD's).

[RLLD 4,230]

Chris Henry.....

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

Chris Henry.....

 

i dont think Henry will live up to expectations this year

[c9h13no3 0]

I like Johnny Knox, but I like Aromashadu better. And maybe even Devin Hester better.

Yeah we were all saying the same thing about Domenik Hixon last year on the Giants, but it was Steve Smith & Manningham who had more value. Same thing when T.O. left Dallas, everyone was predicting a Roy Williams or Patrick Crayton breakout. Or they predicted Harvin or Berrian would breakout when Brett Favre came to town. These things are really hard to predict! So the point is, I believe Knox, Aromashodu, and Hester have some chance of being the go to WR in Chicago (hell, Mike Martz might make two of them valuable). So even if Knox has a 25% chance of being "the guy", he's certainly worth taking a flier on. I'm trying to draft one of these three WR's in most of the mock drafts I'm doing right now.

 

There's certainly a reason why I called picking these WR's "throwing darts". It's hard to pick which one will break out. But you just look at situations where teams have a decent QB, and they need a WR to step up, and throw a dart at whichever 2nd to 4th year guy you can draft.

 

I think even with Jackson OUT OF TOWN, Naanne's ceiling is Floyd's stats last year (45/700/3-5 TD's).

Keep in mind that Floyd didn't even start the whole year last year, because Chris Chambers was still in town. So the Charger's pass happy offense is losing not 1, but 2 starting WR's from last year. So there's actually even more opportunity for WR's to step up. I don't deny that Floyd is a great pick, but I think his ADP will skyrocket if Jackson is traded. You'll probably have to pay a 6-8 round pick for him. Naanee is much less likely to succeed than Floyd, but he's also almost always undrafted. So while I'm drafting Floyd right now in just about every mock I've done, if someone beats me to him & the other sleepers I like, I draft Naanee.

 

Plus, a lot of these guys are week 1 starters, so they shouldn't take long to figure out if you've hit fantasy gold or not. You'll hold them on the bench for 2 weeks, and cut 'em if they don't show promise. Some sleepers (like Miles Austin) can take 5+ weeks to develop because they're not starters in week 1.

 

And speaking of Chris Henry, I never liked him as a sleeper, since he had too much talent to fight through. Ochocinco & Coles were ahead of him on the depth chart.

[jocstrap 8]

Chris Henry.....

 

 

Matt Jones

 

 

Nice original post - - I like all the names you have mentioned above.

 

Royal could really benefit from Marshall being gone. Not too sure how fast Demaryius Thomas will develop - - he's a big target though that could steal some rz looks from Royal.

 

Johnny Knox is very tantalizing for a #5 wr on your roster who could produce solid numbers by years end.

 

Chaz Schilens vs Louis Murphy vs DHB - - -oof - - I honestly don't keep up with these guys enough to make a worthy opinion. Schilens has the most upside from what I've gathered - - isn't he coming off an injury or something though? And DBH is apparently looking really good right now. Pick your poison I suppose

 

 

 

Naanee - - eh, he'll still be around on the ww once the season rolls around - - somebody to keep an eye out on.

[kmbryant09 1]

 

Keep in mind that Floyd didn't even start the whole year last year, because Chris Chambers was still in town. So the Charger's pass happy offense is losing not 1, but 2 starting WR's from last year. So there's actually even more opportunity for WR's to step up. I don't deny that Floyd is a great pick, but I think his ADP will skyrocket if Jackson is traded. You'll probably have to pay a 6-8 round pick for him. Naanee is much less likely to succeed than Floyd, but he's also almost always undrafted.

 

That's a good point with Chris Chambers starting earlier - but I just don't know enough about Naanee to believe he is ready to have a 50+ catch season.

 

Even right now, I'd draft Floyd in the 6th-8th round. In my opinion, I think he skyrockets into the 4th/5th round range if Jackson gets traded, and I'd be more than happy to take him in the 4th as my WR#2 - He's a 6'5" solid route-runner/good hands...He's somewhat proven, and he's the #1A (behind Gates I guess) option on a pass-HEAVY team with a very solid QB.

[stonewall 647]

Interesting list, but I have one more to add: Laurent Robinson

 

He has never really been giving the chance to succeed, mainly because of injury issues. He came into the league in 2007 and had an almost respectable rookie year with the Falcons (37/437/1)despite missing 3 games to injury. He missed all but 2 games in 08, then after landing in St. Louis only played 2 full games last year before breaking his fibula. In the 2 full games he played last season he went 11/141/1, with Bulger and a terrible offense.

 

So, future injury is a concern but he is reported to be 100 percent right now. He is the Rams #1 receiver entering training camp with Donnie Avery his only real competition. He is entering his 4th season, is 6' 2" tall with 4.38 speed, and catches the ball cleanly.

 

He is going undrafted in many mocks (until I grab him). If Bradford has any success at all this season, and SJ continues to keep defenses honest with the ground game, Robinson could be an absolute steal as a WR 3 or 4.

 

The only other name that I would add to this list would be Early Doucet. To me, he is the better fit to fill the Boldin void. Like Boldin, he is a physical WR. Breaston is not....although ceratinly talented. Of course, it all depends on Leinarts success.

[c9h13no3 0]

Good suggestions. I thought about them as well, but I'm not sure the QB play will be there for those two guys. Sure, they could post top 30-40 numbers, and they're both plenty talented. Just not sure they have as much ceiling as some of the other players. I actually had Laurent Robinson drafted last year... too bad he hurt himself.

 

If you're a Lienart or Bradford believer, I like the picks.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I like the list. When I evaluate deeper sleepers, I evaluate the offense first. Lets say you give yourself an extra "kick" by taking a 2nd or 3rd receiver on a pass-first offense with a good QB. It is hard to get behind an "iffy" receiver on a terrible offense, even if they will play from behind a lot. For that reason, I would stay away from all Browns WRs and Rams WRs including Avery and L Rob. I also see limited upside for the Raider receivers. Oakland will be a run-first offense and Campbell figures to spread the ball around to all of them, making Zack Miller the only reasonable fantasy play. And while Malcolm Kelly has looked much better in OTAs than the under-achieving Devin Thomas in Washington, I wouldn't put my money on either of them if there are better sleepers to be had.

 

Here are a few deep sleepers that caught my eye, and some comments on a few that are not very "deep":

 

Naanee: He's at the top of my list. A true deep sleeper who is not well known, but has a chance to put up excellent numbers. Staying in SD a sec, he's no longer a sleeper, and his ADP is rising, but Malcom Floyd is still going later than his value IMO.

 

Jabbar Gaffney: He will be the #1 WR in Denver and is still a late round ADP. Yes you could take a chance on Eddie Royal, although he appears on almost every experts "sleeper" list, which means his APD is rising.

 

Mario Manningham: Hard to call him a deep sleeper but as the #3 in the NYG WR corps, he figures to get solid numbers, and if either Nicks or Smith get hurt.....

 

Brandon Tate: Will likely be the #2 WR in Brady's offense this year.. Yes I like him much better than Edelman. I think Welker will reclaim the slot role before midseason, and I see Hernandez playing in the slot as well.

 

Harry Douglas: I believe the #2 WR job in ATL is his for the taking.

 

James Jones: I'm of the school of thought that Driver will put up another solid 900+ yard year. But Jacoby still could get 40-50 catches and 600 yards this year (pluss 3-5 TDs. Not bad for a 145th round pick.

 

Mike Williams (TB version) - my favoritet rookie "deep sleeper" pick has the perfect QB to get him some.

 

Dexter McCluster: He's my second "deep sleeper" rookie WR and he could be a PPR monster in his rookie year.

 

Golden Tate: I think that Housh may even be relatively more undervalued than Tate this year, but Tate is my third highest "value" pick among the rookies.

 

 

 

These guys are NOT DEEP sleepers because they are on EVERYONE's radar, but are excellent value plays:

 

The CHI WRs, obviously. Right now the pecking order is Hester, Knox, and Aromashodu, but watch the pre-season and remember that THREE receivers can be very productive in the Martz offense.

 

Jacoby Jones - I can't call him a DEEP sleeper, but he is one of my "break-out" guys for 2010.

[PATSSOX 22]

Can you call Santana Moss a sleeper?? With the kind of year i expect him to have compared to last few years we can call him a sleeper. I like him to have a big year this year. He can blow up during any game but rarely has because he has yet to play with a QB. He finally has a pretty dam good QB in McNabb.

 

In 2003-04 with the JETS he had 74 catches for 1105 and 10 TDs and in 2005-06 his first year in Washington he had his best year with 84 catches for 1483 and 9 TDs.

 

Im gonna say he catches 85+ for 1300+ and 8-12 TDs. That would make him pretty close if not a top 10 WR.

 

 

that is my bold prediction for this week atleast. Look for Santana and Freddy Davis to have very good years.

[c9h13no3 0]

Can you call Santana Moss a sleeper??

No.

 

1) His ADP is 71, and he's the 27th WR off the board. That plants him firmly in starter WR3 territory. Maybe in an 8 team league, but not for most of us.

2) McNabb is not *that* much better than Campbell. This isn't like the Jackson to Favre transition. Campbell's QB rating last year was 86.4, McNabb's is 92.9.

3) He's kinda involved in a human growth hormone scandal, and could be suspended by the league if it hits him.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/20/redskins-moss-could-face-suspension-over-hgh/

 

No sleeperness to see here.

 

And I think MMF's list has too many candidates that have proven they don't have the talent to have a top 20 WR ceiling, or they're just way too buried on the depth chart. For example, James Jones or Mario Manningham. They're behind 2 very strong WR's, and would really need some injuries or suspensions in order to crack the top 20 WR's in 2010. I agree they both have the talent, but in fantasy, opportunity is everything.

[PATSSOX 22]

No.

 

1) His ADP is 71, and he's the 27th WR off the board. That plants him firmly in starter WR3 territory. Maybe in an 8 team league, but not for most of us.

2) McNabb is not *that* much better than Campbell. This isn't like the Jackson to Favre transition. Campbell's QB rating last year was 86.4, McNabb's is 92.9.

3) He's kinda involved in a human growth hormone scandal, and could be suspended by the league if it hits him.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/20/redskins-moss-could-face-suspension-over-hgh/

 

 

 

How about he is a sleeper to be a top 10 WR can he then be called a sleeper?

 

Then i would say Edelman and maybe Eddie Royal.

 

I disagree with you that McNabb is not much better than Cambell. He is ALOT better then Cambell. Yes Cambell has had something like 6 or 7 differ offenses in last what 8 years including while at Auburn. That can not be easy. But dam its not even close in my eyes. The stats are closer than i thought they would be but dammm on the field its night and day.

 

McNabb-

2009- 3553 yards 22 TDs 10 INTs in 14 games 92.9 Rating

2008- 3916 yards 23 TDs 11 INTs in 16 games 86.4 Rating

2007- 3324 yards 19 TDs 7 INTs in 14 games 89.9 Rating

 

Cambell-

2009- 3618 yards 20 TDs 15 INTs in 16 games 86.4 Rating

2008- 3245 yards 13 TDs 6 INTs in 16 games 84.3 Rating

2007- 2700 yards 12 TDs 11 INTs in 13 games 77.6 Rating

[c9h13no3 0]

The stats are closer than i thought they would be

And sadly, in this fantasy thing, that's all that matters.

 

Jason Campbell is just now starting to round into form in his 5th year as a pro. I wish he had landed in a better situation, as I think he could've been a solid fantasy QB if he were on a team with a good system around him.

[GettnHuge 2]

Marc Boerichter

[Boston Three Party 6]

Bwahaha I see Jabar Gaffney in this thread.

 

FOCK that ball dropping piece of **** circa Indy game 08'.

 

Anyways, poor Eddie Royal would be my choice - but McIBlewUpMyTeamDaniels will probably gun for some retard to be his guy. I just don't see Gaffney putting up killer sleeper stats. Benn...who knows.

 

I still say Devin Thomas is going to do well in DC this year. Moss is just full of douche after spinning the ball on every play. (I live in DC, ugh)

[PATSSOX 22]

And sadly, in this fantasy thing, that's all that matters.

 

Jason Campbell is just now starting to round into form in his 5th year as a pro. I wish he had landed in a better situation, as I think he could've been a solid fantasy QB if he were on a team with a good system around him.

 

 

Actually, And sadly, in this fantasy thing, that's all that matters, its the fantasy points that matter. Which of course are gained by stats and if you look at pts its not really that close. So think again

 

McNabb-

2009-261 pts average of 18.65 pts per week

2008-272 pts average of 17 pts per week

2007-231 pts average of 16.5 pts per week

 

Campbell-

2009-243 pts average of 15.19 pts per week

2008-211 pts average of 13.19 pts per week

2007-153 pts average of 11.77 pts per week

[L_O_D 1]

i dont think Henry will live up to expectations this year

 

Funniest damn thing I have read in years!

[PATSSOX 22]

Funniest damn thing I have read in years!

 

 

Thats wrong

[soopacee 0]

mohamed massaquoi

[Bishop82 61]

i dont think Henry will live up to expectations this year

Actually, you can make an arguement that this will be the only year he lives up to the expectations.

 

Too soon?

[davidbostonisgood 2]

One of these guys are bound to break out ... Ashley Lelie, Troy Williamson, and Wayne Sherbert.

[longlurker 0]

Picking sleeper wr's is like throwing darts at a board 20 feet away. What i've learned is this: You can make assumptions looking at preseason stats and injury reports but what it really comes down to is the the first 2 games. Coach's cycle in wr's 3-4 looking for talent, brains and desire, who doesn't make th mistake, and who catch's the ball. Last year whe everyone was hyping hixon, manningham, berrian, ect, ect pre-draft. I went with Steve Smith and Sydney Rice, why?

 

It was blind luck, I waited until all of the other wr's on those teams had been picked and used my last few picks/salary cap on the left overs...Smith and Rice. I got lucky, but I refuse to use mid or even early-late round draft picks on fliers.

 

Most years I come up with nothing, Haven't had a sleeper pick that good since Cromwell or Cornwall (can't even remember his name) from the Lions back 10 years or so ago.

[#1LionFan 0]

Can you call Santana Moss a sleeper?? With the kind of year i expect him to have compared to last few years we can call him a sleeper. I like him to have a big year this year. He can blow up during any game but rarely has because he has yet to play with a QB. He finally has a pretty dam good QB in McNabb.

 

In 2003-04 with the JETS he had 74 catches for 1105 and 10 TDs and in 2005-06 his first year in Washington he had his best year with 84 catches for 1483 and 9 TDs.

 

Im gonna say he catches 85+ for 1300+ and 8-12 TDs. That would make him pretty close if not a top 10 WR.

 

 

that is my bold prediction for this week atleast. Look for Santana and Freddy Davis to have very good years.

 

 

I think he is...alot of people down on him. he is a forgotten man. He could easily outperform his current draft status. But 1300+ and 8-12 tds???? WOW...since I have him as my #3 in dynasty I hope you are right but I dont see it.

[tenaciousb 0]

According to your list I can see Derrick Mason is heavily favored once again as a deep sleeper.

[c9h13no3 0]

Picking sleeper wr's is like throwing darts at a board 20 feet away...

 

I got lucky, but I refuse to use mid or even early-late round draft picks on fliers.

This is a much more insightful post than people probably think, and describes my logic in the Aromashodu/Knox/Hester debate. Since I'm not good at football, and I can't judge talent, I'll just assume that each of those guys has a 33% chance of being "the guy" next year. Even if that's not the case, its probably a pretty close approximation. Because of the random chance involved, shouldn't we always be taking the guy who is cheapest on draft day?

 

According to your list I can see Derrick Mason is heavily favored once again as a deep sleeper.

Lol, yeah. But this year is different in that the 'Quan is now on the roster. I'm not sure I would keep betting on Mason.

 

However, being old is quite often a reason players get downgraded in fantasy drafts, and thus its quite often a great source of value. This year, guys like Donald Driver (35), Hines Ward(34) are being downgraded because of their age, when they're only 1-2 years older than Randy Moss(33). If they can keep up their production, they'll be a good value. Also, guys like Houshmandzadeh(32) are worth considering. However, since he's actually seen a drop off unlike Driver & Ward, I'd consider him much riskier. But at the 90th pick, if you believe he'll be over his injury woes & Hasselbeck will return to form, he'd be a good WR4.

[remote controller 143]

Gaffney, as they wait a year for the rookie. Royal is being moved to the slot. Gaffney can be had at will this year, and could return top 30-40 Wr numbers.

[c9h13no3 0]

could return top 30-40 Wr numbers.

So I get a guy who could post WR3-WR4 numbers? Pardon me, but I'm not exactly excited. Aren't we trying to draft high upside players in the late rounds? Having a really good bye week filler doesn't win fantasy championships.

[Quickolas1 80]

Gaffney over Royal

Aroshmandu over Knox

Schilens over Murphy

Bradford's fav (see in training camp in STL)

Someone on Seattle not named Golden

Someone on Tampa not named Arrelious

Probably Derrick Mason again

JJ if Driver ever dies

[madd futher mucker 36]

Gaffney over Royal AGREED, btw, Gaffney has top 25 potential IMO and can be had for a 10th round pick or later. Now I call that a deep sleeper with huge value potential

Aroshmandu over Knox DISAGREE, right now Knox is considered by Bears beat writers as their #1 WR, folllowed by Hester. I love Knox' speed and ball tracking ability, but I'd say that Aromashodu is definitley in the mix - anyone who says they really know the answer here is fooling themselves. Who knows, in the Martz offense, all 3 of these guys could be very fantasy relevant.

Schilens over Murphy = AVOID every Oakland receiver this year EXCEPT Zack Miller.

Bradford's fav (see in training camp in STL) = AVOID EVERY Rams WR. Period. End of Sentences!

Someone on Seattle not named Golden = I like Housh to rebound, and I also like Golden in the slot as well as in the doughnut shop. I just don't like any Seattle WR quite enough to draft them.

Someone on Tampa not named Arrelious There's this kid named Mike Williams - not FAT Mike Williams - THIS Mike Williams hated school, but he likes football and he can flat-out ball - and he's my pick for deep sleeper rookie WR this year.

Probably Derrick Mason again - Take this one to the bank.

JJ if Driver ever dies - Yup!....but see comments about Derrick Mason.

 

BTW, the OP didn't like my reply, because he thought that they were not talented enough or just way too buried on the depth chart. Yet the title of the post was not "sleepers", but "deep sleepers" which to me is rounds 10 or later. If they had both the talent AND the opportunity, they will probably NOT qualify as DEEP SLEEPERS, unless they were hurt all last year like Lance Moore ( a top 20-25 ppr guy in 2008 who was hurt all last year and can be drafted in round 19), Brandon Tate and Harry Douglas (and both these guys also have considerable talent IMO). And the guys like James Jones and Manningham are only one injury away - in Jones' case only two bad knees away - from top 25 WR status.

[Boston Three Party 6]

I think it's a given that Gaffney won't even go on the board in 10 teamers.

 

God I hate that guy. But watch him blow up in Denver. Go figure.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Gaffney over Royal

Aroshmandu over Knox

Schilens over Murphy

Bradford's fav (see in training camp in STL)

Someone on Seattle not named Golden

Someone on Tampa not named Arrelious

Probably Derrick Mason again

JJ if Driver ever dies

 

The abive is the correct answer for each of these situations.

[rosslive99 1]

Naanee - Love this guy...Big receiver, looks and is built like Fitz. VJax already out the first 3 games (at least), and while I understand that people will automatically bump Floyd up as the primary benefactor of Vjaxs suspension...Lets not forget that along with becoming the "number 1" reciever, you also get top reciever treatment...This is where I like Naanee better, because Floyd is gonnna attract all the top coverage, along with Gates, leaving Naanee open to alot of opportunity. And you just can't beat the value, took him in the 20th round (last) of my first early draft. Get the feeling his ADP will rise some over the next few weeks however. Oh and I read an article that said his name "Naanee" means - Good is Coming...for what it's worth

 

One of the Tampa rookie receivers - Take your pick, they are both falling incredibly low. With rookies all you can go on is their build and what roll you think they will fill in the offense. Right now speculation is Benn will be the possesion receiver and Mike Williams will be the home run threat...For me, I'll take the guy who I think will get the most opportunities, and right now thats looking to be Benn, but personally I don't think it's bad to take a flyer on either. That offense will be better, Freeman looked good as a ROOKIE, gotta think he will be better.

 

Jordan Shipley - Right now they are saying he has the #3 slot job all but locked up...I'm a Texas guy so I got to see alot of this guy in college, and HE IS ELECTRIC...Dismantled just about every defense he went up against...His route running is phenominal, he's fast, he's tough, and he catches the ball...And he just so goes to a team with a good offense, good QB, and good opportunity to catch alot of balls with Ocho and Bryant garnering alot of attention. This guy will be a great player, if not this year, for many years to come.

 

Dexter McCluster - One of my favs coming out of college this year, if you have not seen highlights on this guy please go do yourself a favor and go watch. Electric. This guy will be a playmaker in the NFL, as long as he can withstand the pounding...Much like Percy Harvin, his speed will translate to the NFL, mixed with his vision, and shiftyness...I just don't see how this guy won't produce, only knock is his size.

[Gepetto 1,368]

The majority of the targets are going to Mike Williams in practice. Not to A. Benn. Benn has even acknowledged this to be true publicly.

[rosslive99 1]

The majority of the targets are going to Mike Williams in practice. Not to A. Benn. Benn has even acknowledged this to be true publicly.

 

 

Well I can only go by what I see Gepetto, and this is what I'm seeing on Rotoworld..

 

June 4th - Updating previous items, Charles Campbell of the Pewter Report reports that Arrelious Benn is working as the Bucs' flanker, or "Z" receiver at OTAs, with Mike Williams at "X", or split end.

 

Campbell has a pretty good source -- Bucs wideouts coach Eric Yarber. The Tampa Tribune reported during February rookie camp that Benn was at split end. Flanker (Anquan Boldin's position) is a better spot for Benn because of his after-catch ability and physical style. Williams is the superior downfield play-maker. Assuming both rookies win starting jobs, Benn will be the slightly better bet for catches. Williams could lead the Bucs in receiving yards.

 

June 7th - According to NFL.com's Steve Wyche, the Bucs "have big plans" for rookie wide receiver Mike Williams.

 

Wyche attended the Bucs' recent round of OTAs, and notes that Williams is "the more vertical threat" in comparison to second-round pick Arrelious Benn. At this point, we're beginning to like Williams' fantasy prospects for 2009 and beyond better than those of Benn. Williams is a superior natural talent.

 

June 22nd - Fourth-rounder Mike Williams is ahead of second-round Arrelious Benn after spring practices, according to the St. Petersburg Times.

 

It's not surprising considering Benn has missed time with an ankle injury, but it's worth noting that Williams has also shown a better grasp of the offense thus far. Benn is a superior after-the-catch runner, so he'll have a chance to make up ground once the contact begins in training camp.

 

All of these pretty much say the same thing...Benn is the better run after catch guy, and Williams down field threat. Which translates to me as - Benn Possesion - Williams Deep threat

 

Now if you have something more substantial, by all means throw it out there.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Well I can only go by what I see Gepetto, and this is what I'm seeing on Rotoworld..

 

June 4th - Updating previous items, Charles Campbell of the Pewter Report reports that Arrelious Benn is working as the Bucs' flanker, or "Z" receiver at OTAs, with Mike Williams at "X", or split end.

 

Campbell has a pretty good source -- Bucs wideouts coach Eric Yarber. The Tampa Tribune reported during February rookie camp that Benn was at split end. Flanker (Anquan Boldin's position) is a better spot for Benn because of his after-catch ability and physical style. Williams is the superior downfield play-maker. Assuming both rookies win starting jobs, Benn will be the slightly better bet for catches. Williams could lead the Bucs in receiving yards.

 

June 7th - According to NFL.com's Steve Wyche, the Bucs "have big plans" for rookie wide receiver Mike Williams.

 

Wyche attended the Bucs' recent round of OTAs, and notes that Williams is "the more vertical threat" in comparison to second-round pick Arrelious Benn. At this point, we're beginning to like Williams' fantasy prospects for 2009 and beyond better than those of Benn. Williams is a superior natural talent.

 

June 22nd - Fourth-rounder Mike Williams is ahead of second-round Arrelious Benn after spring practices, according to the St. Petersburg Times.

 

It's not surprising considering Benn has missed time with an ankle injury, but it's worth noting that Williams has also shown a better grasp of the offense thus far. Benn is a superior after-the-catch runner, so he'll have a chance to make up ground once the contact begins in training camp.

 

All of these pretty much say the same thing...Benn is the better run after catch guy, and Williams down field threat. Which translates to me as - Benn Possesion - Williams Deep threat

 

Now if you have something more substantial, by all means throw it out there.

 

That's what I did.

[rosslive99 1]

That's what I did.

 

 

Hmmmm...lets see reports from coaches/trainers on the Tampa staff....or Gepettos opinion.

 

 

Thanks bro

[Gepetto 1,368]

Hmmmm...lets see reports from coaches/trainers on the Tampa staff....or Gepettos opinion.

 

 

Thanks bro

 

How is what I posted in anyway an opinion?

[c9h13no3 0]

Zzzz....

 

I kinda think both of you are silly, looking for big production out of the Tampa Bay receiving group. Both receivers are rookies who don't historically do well, and Josh Freeman isn't exactly a beast at QB. The only pass catcher I'd expect to be fantasy relevant in Tampa is Kellen Winslow.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Zzzz....

 

I kinda think both of you are silly, looking for big production out of the Tampa Bay receiving group. Both receivers are rookies who don't historically do well, and Josh Freeman isn't exactly a beast at QB. The only pass catcher I'd expect to be fantasy relevant in Tampa is Kellen Winslow.

 

I never said I expect big things out of either Tampa WR. This is a thread about deep sleepers. Mike Williams TB WR is one of them in my opinion.

 

I only posted factual information that Mike Williams was getting more targets in practice then Benn.