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Supporters and haters alike, check out the following.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqOSu0Ngz8&feature=youtu.be&a

 

This guy posts good stuff and has been generally objective with his deep dive analysis on Bears games.

 

If the injury did happen early in the 2nd, it makes alot of sense with some of the awful throws that Cutler had.

 

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with idiots, so take it for what its worth as another opinion peice in the story. A few comments however

 

- MJD pussed out the last two games of the year when his team had playoffs at stake. he is the last guy that should be commenting on toughness

- Neon didn't get his nose dirty in run support his whole career and missed many important games with a stubbed toe throughout his career.

- Internet tough guys will do and say what they will despite the facts that come out. The vitriol is disturbing - ask yourselves where it comes from and work on getting rid of it. It's not healthy.

 

You can also question alot of things - bad leadership, bad teammate? I havent seen a single fact to support any of it, so other than what you interpret facial expressions to be, where is the evidence? His teammates in both Denver and Chicago didn't see it, so what makes you so sure?

 

He was convicted and put up on the cross before any comments or facts came out. BS made up stories are coming out all over now that try and substantiate the attack. BS stories about climbing stairs in a restaurant attributed to "spies". Puhlease. :rolleyes:

 

Jay is an introvert and a different personality than the typical celeb or pro player. people tend to not like introverts and there is a general fear and distrust that results. Aloof with the media doesnt mean he doesnt care about his team, the game or the fans.

 

With the beating this guy took all year, never once complaining or giving up, there is absolutely no way that he leaves this game unless he was seriously hurt and hurting the team by staying in. And it really wasnt that bad of a beating he took either. GB was not blitzing that much - week 17 was tougher on him than this game.

 

This could make or break Cutler and the team. As the off season unfolds the experience and us against them attitude could galvanize him and the team. Time will tell.

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Keep telling yourself whatever you need to help ease your pain. Your QB has zero heart and sucked before the phantom injury. He will never win the big game..........Unless he faces another 7-9 playoff team at home.

 

Do me a favor and never bring up McPuking in the Super Bowl again?

 

HTH

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Jay Cutler should be tarred and feathered then rode out of town on a rail.

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Who gives a fock. People don't like Randy Moss....or Terrell Owens....or Brett Favre....people were openly cheering for Favre to suffer a catastrophic injury so that he'd finally go away....for good.

 

Peyton Manning is a choker.

 

Tom Brady is ghey and can't win without cheating.

 

But it's just not fair to Jay.....he's misunderstood...he's complicated. :rolleyes:

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I guess I find it hard to believe that Brady, Brees, Manning, Rivers, etc. would stay out of that game without putting up every bit of fight that they could. I know Manning broke/dislocated his jaw years ago...and on the next snap the backup fumbled, but recovered. Manning shewed aside the training staff and put himself back in the game.

 

Looking beyond that, let's say that it was fine that Cutler didn't go back in the game...Why didn't he put up a fight? Why wasn't he in the ear of Collins/Hanie going over coverages, schemes, suggestions, anything! Why wasn't he mic'd up with the offensive coordinator trying to figure out a way to help the team? Why was he able to stand up/walk around on his bad knee? Why wasn't he intently watching from the sidelines cheering on his teammates?

 

That's the biggest issue with me. I know it's nowhere near comparable, but in my flag football league this past winter, I dislocated/hyperextended/sprained my elbow in our playoff game...so clearly couldn't go back in, couldn't move my arm, was in terrible pain. But I was on the sideline cheerin on the team, callin out assignments, adding some suggestions during TimeOuts based on what I could see from the sideline...You'd think if I could do that in a meaningless flag football game, that Jay Cutler could do it in the NFC Championship game.

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So now we are trying to blame his play on the injury. :lol:

 

Brett Favre had one of his better years with a broken thumb on his throwing hand and a cast all year.

 

Word Up Homie. :bandana:

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Supporters and haters alike, check out the following.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqOSu0Ngz8&feature=youtu.be&a

 

This guy posts good stuff and has been generally objective with his deep dive analysis on Bears games.

 

If the injury did happen early in the 2nd, it makes alot of sense with some of the awful throws that Cutler had.

 

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with idiots, so take it for what its worth as another opinion peice in the story. A few comments however

 

- MJD pussed out the last two games of the year when his team had playoffs at stake. he is the last guy that should be commenting on toughness

- Neon didn't get his nose dirty in run support his whole career and missed many important games with a stubbed toe throughout his career.

- Internet tough guys will do and say what they will despite the facts that come out. The vitriol is disturbing - ask yourselves where it comes from and work on getting rid of it. It's not healthy.

 

You can also question alot of things - bad leadership, bad teammate? I havent seen a single fact to support any of it, so other than what you interpret facial expressions to be, where is the evidence? His teammates in both Denver and Chicago didn't see it, so what makes you so sure?

 

He was convicted and put up on the cross before any comments or facts came out. BS made up stories are coming out all over now that try and substantiate the attack. BS stories about climbing stairs in a restaurant attributed to "spies". Puhlease. :rolleyes:

 

Jay is an introvert and a different personality than the typical celeb or pro player. people tend to not like introverts and there is a general fear and distrust that results. Aloof with the media doesnt mean he doesnt care about his team, the game or the fans.

 

With the beating this guy took all year, never once complaining or giving up, there is absolutely no way that he leaves this game unless he was seriously hurt and hurting the team by staying in. And it really wasnt that bad of a beating he took either. GB was not blitzing that much - week 17 was tougher on him than this game.

 

This could make or break Cutler and the team. As the off season unfolds the experience and us against them attitude could galvanize him and the team. Time will tell.

 

I agree. Good post. The haters will continue to hate.

 

There comes a point that you being on the field, especially at the quarterback position, is a detriment to your team because of injury. Who are any of these people.....especially the ones who are not professional athletes but regular 9 to 5 Joes.... to question a NFL players injury.

 

Haters, if it's not your knee, you have no clue what you are talking about.

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I am not a Jay Cutler fan...but to call this guy not tough and to say he has no heart is absurd.

 

If there is ONE thing that Cutler has, it is his tuffness and his heart......put some other QB's behind the offensive line and lets see how they hold up to 57 sacks.

 

The kid is probly one of the tuffest QB's in the league. He plays with type one diabetes for christ sake.

 

If you want to fault cutler , it should be on another subject.....maybe leadership skills and how he carries his self......his mannerisms if you will.

 

There is not a person on this forum that knows how bad cutlers injury was effecting him at the time.

 

I remember Chris Johnson sitting in a playoff game a couple years back with a mysterious ankle injury.

 

I can understand the fans getting on Cutler...but the players...MJD......dude where was your flipping team at....you crumbled like a stale cookie at the end of the year.

 

Cutler...i am not a big fan of yours....but you took your team to where alot of other jealous bastards could not take their team...to the final four.

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Face it: Cutler got his period during the NFCCG. Another QB wouldn't slapped on a maxi pad and kept playing but Quitler decided to give up.

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I hate Cutler for overthrowing Hester on an easy pass TD in the 1st qtr by 10 feet and 2 or 3 other bad throws before there was any chance he got hurt. And that he he doesn't put in much "extra" time to try to improve his game like other top QB's do. Focking up a trip to the Superbowl for the Bears. :mad: And while I don't think he is........... looking like a mother focking puzzy when he came out of the game.

 

 

 

 

With the way Cutler was moving around after that play at the start of the 2nd qtr the video claims I really don't think that's when he got hurt. Or really care. I don't doubt he was injured. He's no rah-rah guy so him not doing any on the sidelines after really didn't surprise or bother me. They showed Hanie looking at pics on the sidelines next to Jay and when Hanie asked him a question he answered it. Don't know what else he's was supposed to be doing anyways. I don't get the impression Jay will be a great coach someday...........I'd rather the coaches were talking to Hanie. Guys being fake cheerleaders or dramatizing their injuries on the sidelines usually look very annoying to me.

 

 

 

The Bears PR, coaches or whoever was stupid enough to first tell FOX that he was questionable and then to not either keep him in the locker room or give him some crutches for effect I find most to blame for this story turning into what it has.

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Seriously, it was an MCL sprain -- not a tear or a fracture. The coach should have to drag a quarterback off the field in that situation. Instead, it looked like Cutler didn't feel like playing anymore. If a knee injury is serious enough to take you out of the NFCCG, you shouldn't be able to stand comfortably on the sideline. It looked terrible. Someone in the gameday thread said there was a little Jeff George in Cutler and I think he nailed it. Both have great arms and all the talent in the world, but they both seem like immature jerks with no leadership skills. And aside from that, the trade was horrible for the Bears. Orton is an outright better QB than Cutler and they gave away two 1st rounders on top of that. McDaniels is a jerkoff but he knew what he was doing.

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The kid is probly one of the tuffest QB's in the league. He plays with type one diabetes for christ sake.

 

If you want to fault cutler , it should be on another subject.....maybe leadership skills and how he carries his self......his mannerisms if you will.

 

I've thought about this a lot and can perhaps add some perspective, as 3 months ago my 9 yr old daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. As a basic primer, your body stops producing insulin which is required to process sugar. As such, blood sugar is monitored and insulin (or sugar) is added as required. One of the effects of incorrect sugar is mood swings/surliness. This is in fact one of the more overt triggers that a correction may be needed. Unfortunately, the person is often uncooperative at this point when they need help.

 

My daughter dances, and exercise messes with your blood sugar. Mostly in a "positive" way, as your body processes insulin more efficiently (hence why exercise is highly recommended for diabetics). But adrenalin as the opposite effect. Suffice it to say that controlling sugar in the chaos which is an NFC championship game is a challenge. Technology is woefully behind, I'll spare you the details.

 

Those of us lucky enough to have a working pancreas will never know what it is like to live life in a yo-yo of sugar levels and associated effects. It occurs to me, though, that dealing with inane questions from reporters and comments from other "tough guys" like Neon could be a challenge. I'm not making excuses for him; we will teach our daughter to control her emotions as past as practicable. But I, for one, will cut him some slack on the "surly" or "emotional" label.

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I'm in agreement with you here, Walter. Jay's demeanor and personality make it really hard to like him. When you don't get a warm fuzzy about someone, it's easier to pass judgement, jump to conclusions, etc. It looked bad with him standing around on the sideline, but I think it should be obvious that there is a difference in standing - you can put your weight on your good leg - and planting throw a football. The guy took a beating all year. Every player in Chicago, as well as some Norris rivals have said the same thing - the guy is tough.

 

We have all seen NFL players throw teammates under the bus after tough losses. Second guessing, back-handed compliments, and all the rest. I think the fact that his team was and is sticking up for him is telling.

 

Also, MJD is a weasel. I have zero respect for that guy now. Stand by your big talk or admit you were wrong. But saying you were just joking, that is just as bad as claiming your Twitter account was hacked.

 

Seriously, it was an MCL sprain -- not a tear or a fracture

A sprained ligament is a tear in the ligament. The Bears didn't release the degree of the sprain (teams usually don't), but it goes without saying that I am very confident in your ability to diagnose the injury from your couch and to clear him to play again.

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Sprain = tear

 

Carry on

 

Ditto.

 

Cutlers leradership skills can be questioned...but his Tuffness....people dont have a clue.

 

For MJD to say what he did....when the Jags needed him the most, in the last two weeks of the season....where was he.......what a jerk to say what he did.

 

I am not saying mojo was not hurt, I am sure he was....but that is calling the kettle black to question Cutlers injury when you just sat out yourself....Mojo, open mouth insert foot.

 

To MDC....a coach should not have to drag a QB off the field, dude...seriously dude....the last time I checked, the coach is a coach....not a doctor.

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He doesn't really grab his leg in pain after the Pickett play.... And if you tear your MCL, that's what you would be doing...

 

So, let me gets this straight.... He made it through the entire 2nd quarter without telling somebody that he has a torn MCL.... making some nifty runs and not sliding :lol: .....

 

Third quarter starts.... NFC Championships Game.... "I think I hurt myself early in the 2nd quarter, coach... probably about an hour and a half ago.... Yes, I was running around like Mike Vick on a few plays and have yet to show any kind of noticeable limp yet, but you should probably take me out of the NFC Championship Game"

 

:doh:

 

 

Stop making excuses for this guy... He has completely sucked in every game against the Packers.... Could it be that he's just not very good against good defenses?

Why do we always have to make excuses for him?

 

"He was playing a vanilla offense"

"Martz was just practicing his 7-step drop... he wasn't really trying"

"He tore his MCL (but didn't cringe, limp, or slow down on a 14-yard run :lol: ) early in the second quarter when Pickett scraped by his leg...."

 

 

You gave up a ton of great picks for him and a quarterback that is probably just as good, if not better... I know you need to cling to him like a battered woman clings to her abusive husband because of this, but that doesn't stop the rest of us from being objective....

 

Cutler is just not that good..... After 37 quarterbacks during the Favre reign, you finally thought you bought yourself a good one....

 

You didn't

He sucks :(

 

 

Come to terms with this man who is battering you, and embrace this new non-Harland-Williams-looking upstart love interest Caleb Hanie :cheers:

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With the way Cutler was moving around after that play at the start of the 2nd qtr the video claims I really don't think that's when he got hurt.

 

 

 

This.... :thumbsup:

Finally, some objectivity...

 

 

He didn't get hurt on that play... Bears fans so badly want to make excuses for him....

 

 

Battered wives... :( :(

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A sprained ligament is a tear in the ligament. The Bears didn't release the degree of the sprain (teams usually don't), but it goes without saying that I am very confident in your ability to diagnose the injury from your couch and to clear him to play again.

 

It didn't look very much like Cutler was waiting to be cleared, the way he was standing on the sideline, supported by a knee that was supposedly sprained to the point that he couldn't play in the NFCCG on it, utterly expressionless and putting up no argument with the medical staff who initially deemed him "questionable."

 

:dunno:

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He doesn't really grab his leg in pain after the Pickett play.... And if you tear your MCL, that's what you would be doing...

 

So, let me gets this straight.... He made it through the entire 2nd quarter without telling somebody that he has a torn MCL.... making some nifty runs and not sliding :lol: .....

 

Third quarter starts.... NFC Championships Game.... "I think I hurt myself early in the 2nd quarter, coach... probably about an hour and a half ago.... Yes, I was running around like Mike Vick on a few plays and have yet to show any kind of noticeable limp yet, but you should probably take me out of the NFC Championship Game"

 

:doh:

 

 

Stop making excuses for this guy... He has completely sucked in every game against the Packers.... Could it be that he's just not very good against good defenses?

Why do we always have to make excuses for him?

 

"He was playing a vanilla offense"

"Martz was just practicing his 7-step drop... he wasn't really trying"

"He tore his MCL (but didn't cringe, limp, or slow down on a 14-yard run :lol: ) early in the second quarter when Pickett scraped by his leg...."

 

 

You gave up a ton of great picks for him and a quarterback that is probably just as good, if not better... I know you need to cling to him like a battered woman clings to her abusive husband because of this, but that doesn't stop the rest of us from being objective....

 

Cutler is just not that good..... After 37 quarterbacks during the Favre reign, you finally thought you bought yourself a good one....

 

You didn't

He sucks :(

 

 

Come to terms with this man who is battering you, and embrace this new non-Harland-Williams-looking upstart love interest Caleb Hanie :cheers:

 

Talk about CLUELESS

 

All players running routes across the middle and getting concussed are all pussies for not playing with concussions.

 

All players not playing with ankle sprains....bunch of pussies

 

He may not be very good... good....has nothing to do what so ever with TUFFNESS.......

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gridiron whirlwinds -- I'm not questioning Cutler's toughness; I'm questioning his talent

 

.....and your ability to use the quote function :lol:

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I think that he would have been much better if there was a specific play that looks like it caused the injury. Right now, people can't see a play where his knee looks like it got injured, so it seems like it is all in his head.

 

It doesn't help him that there are other QB's who have played with this sort of thing before and others who have said that they would need to be dragged off the field to come out in a Championship game.

 

Bottom line is that Cutler and the Bears have a PR nightmare on their hands.

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I think that he would have been much better if there was a specific play that looks like it caused the injury. Right now, people can't see a play where his knee looks like it got injured, so it seems like it is all in his head.

 

It doesn't help him that there are other QB's who have played with this sort of thing before and others who have said that they would need to be dragged off the field to come out in a Championship game.

 

Bottom line is that Cutler and the Bears have a PR nightmare on their hands.

 

 

You'd think that if the injury was so severe that it kept him from playing in the biggest game of his life by far, he would know exactly the second that it happened.... no?

 

Am I crazy?

 

 

Q: When did the injury happen, Jay?

A: I have no idea....

 

 

 

Are you focking kidding me? :lol:

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You'd think that if the injury was so severe that it kept him from playing in the biggest game of his life by far, he would know exactly the second that it happened.... no?

 

Am I crazy?

 

 

Q: When did the injury happen, Jay?

A: I have no idea....

 

 

 

Are you focking kidding me? :lol:

 

I could not agree more. That is what I think caused other players and fans to give him such grief. If there had been something that he could point to that caused an injury, even a slip on the turf, it would have saved him this grief. He continued to play, he ran off the field at the half and he rode a bike on the sidelines. That is plenty of ammo for criticism.

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You said he did not grab his leg in pain........so you are saying he was not injured.....correct......

 

 

Yes... after the Pickett play. he supposedly tore his MCL (according to goblet guy).... yet he was running around there like Mike Vick and not limping on it for the rest of the half....

 

If it didn't bother him to the point where nobody of the millions of people analyzing the game could see that it happen... and if he didn't even know when it happened himself.... why are we throwing this excuse out there for him for his terrible play after the fact?

 

Why do we, as Bears fans, go out of our way to make unbelievable excuses for a quarterback who is always completely dominated by the Packer defense?

 

And why are we holding a goblet in the most fruity way possible while we stretch to make said excuses for the suckass QB that is Shane Cutler? :pointstosky:

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Obviously the injury was severe enough it kept him out of the game.

 

Just becuse he did not grab his leg and roll around the field in pain...I mean are you serious dude??? Honestly

 

I remember watching Chuck Wepner, get his ass beat by Joe Frazier, and asked what punch broke his jaw...he responded......one of those couple hundred that landed on it :lol:

 

Probly most plyers milk injuries.....roll around on the field....limp....grimace in pain.....then get up and throw a td....and limp off the field....maybe get helped off.......what courage

 

I must have missed the part wher he ran like Michael Vick :rolleyes:

 

I did see him run like jay Cutler...if that is what you mean.

 

And for the record....I am not making excuses for his poor play.........I am sticking up for him being injured.....and anybody here that said he WAS NOT.....does not have a clue period.

 

Do you know he was not injured?

 

Hell no you don't.....please.........You are surely smarter than that.......he does not look hurt to me.....WTF

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And aside from that, the trade was horrible for the Bears. Orton is an outright better QB than Cutler and they gave away two 1st rounders on top of that. McDaniels is a jerkoff but he knew what he was doing.

 

Bears got raped.

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It's funny how the Bears are defending Cutler so vehemently NOW. If they had just put him in street clothes or make an announcement during the game that he was not cleared to go back in or they feared serious damage to his knee nothing more would have come of it.

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I just heard a pretty good conversation on the radio about this. Just another possibility...

 

He gets injured, and it sent his diabetes into action. Levels start going off the charts. His center said his leg was shaking uncontrollably. The doctor's and team physicians on the sideline know a lot more about this than the common tv viewer. Therefore, they made the call for him to sit. If he continued to play, he would most likely have to have offseason surgery. Instead, he now just has rehab.

 

They were really playing the diabetes roll, and the effects it has on a body once injured. I'll take their word on this one b/c I honestly don't know.

 

just throwing it out there for what its worth :dunno:

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Yes... after the Pickett play. he supposedly tore his MCL (according to goblet guy).... yet he was running around there like Mike Vick and not limping on it for the rest of the half....

 

If it didn't bother him to the point where nobody of the millions of people analyzing the game could see that it happen... and if he didn't even know when it happened himself.... why are we throwing this excuse out there for him for his terrible play after the fact?

 

Why do we, as Bears fans, go out of our way to make unbelievable excuses for a quarterback who is always completely dominated by the Packer defense?

 

And why are we holding a goblet in the most fruity way possible while we stretch to make said excuses for the suckass QB that is Shane Cutler? :pointstosky:

 

 

As a Packer fan, far be it from me to give a damn about Cutler, but MCL sprains are a tad strange. I recall more than a few players playing full games only to find out the next day they had torn the MCL and would be IR'd for the season. Completely possible he injured his MCL and ran on it for a number of plays. MCL's can take some time to swell/debilitate the athelete. It's not like an ACL where if it's torn, you're done.

The Medial Collateral Ligament is the knee ligament located on the inner side of the knee joint. It links the thigh bone and the shin bone. A knee ligament injury is referred to as a sprain, and this knee injury can occur if the knee is twisted or subject to force from an opponent during sport.

 

The Medial Collateral Ligament is the large ligament on the inside of the knee that links the thigh bone and the shin bone. Damage to a ligament is referred to as a sprain, and depending on the severity of the injury it is classified as first, second or third degree:

 

  • A first degree sprain is damage to only a few ligament fibres.
  • A second degree sprain is damage to a more extensive number of ligament fibres, but the ligament remains intact.
  • A third degree sprain is a complete rupture of the ligament. Because of the force involved in this injury other structures in the knee, such as the Meniscus (Cartilage) or the Anterior Cruciate Ligament can also be damaged.

The injury is usually caused in one of two classic ways. In collision sports such as football (soccer), rugby, and American football, the Medial ligament can be damaged when an opponent applies a force (usually from their knee) to the outside aspect of the leg, just above the knee. Alternatively the Medial ligament can be damaged if the studs get caught in turf and the player tries to turn to the side, away from the planted leg .

 

MCL Knee Ligament Injury Signs & Symptoms

 

 

With a first degree sprain of the Medial ligament there will be pain when the site of the damage is touched. Stressing the ligament (when the knee is slightly bent and the shin is moved inwards in relation to the thigh) is painful - this action is reproduced when standing up from sitting in a chair.

 

In the case of a second degree sprain, the pain is more severe when touched and when the ligament is stressed. There will usually be a swelling of the knee joint, but this may take 24 hours to appear.

In the case of a third degree sprain, where the ligament is ruptured, the knee joint is unstable and activity cannot be continued. There will be a bleed and an inflow of fluid into the joint but, because the capsule that surrounds the joint is also damaged, this fluid may leak out and swelling may not be evident

Not sure why this topic is such a big deal, cause the Packers are going to the SuperBowl! :pointstosky:

 

 

 

 

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i saw a story the other day that said cutler used the stairs after the game--and without a lick of trouble. this after standing around on the sidelines all afternoon and walking around and not limping.

 

go figure.

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As a Packer fan, far be it from me to give a damn about Cutler, but MCL sprains are a tad strange. I recall more than a few players playing full games only to find out the next day they had torn the MCL and would be IR'd for the season. Completely possible he injured his MCL and ran on it for a number of plays. MCL's can take some time to swell/debilitate the athelete. It's not like an ACL where if it's torn, you're done.

 

 

That's not totally true either. I remember Olandis Gary keep playing like another qtr after he tore his ACL in a game.

 

And a quick search shows Morgan Burnett from the Pack finished a game this year with with an ACL tear along with plenty of other guys over the years.

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i saw a story the other day that said cutler used the stairs after the game--and without a lick of trouble. this after standing around on the sidelines all afternoon and walking around and not limping.

 

go figure.

 

But none of his teammates called him a china doll. :banana: :banana:

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i saw a story the other day that said cutler used the stairs after the game--and without a lick of trouble. this after standing around on the sidelines all afternoon and walking around and not limping.

 

go figure.

 

Yeah....then went to a club and was witnessed doing the electic slide, and while at the club, bent over to pick up a dropped quarter, and after leaving the club was caught on camera break dancing on the sidewalk!!!!

 

The nerve of that guy :rolleyes:

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