What will happen if the debt ceiling isn't raised?

[Frank M]

Wow, that's very specific.

 

 

Obama-willing to put changes to SS and Medicare on the table for discussion

 

Republicans-unwilling to put taxes on the table for discussion

 

 

I'm not surprised that this is confusing for you, as it's really complicated.

 

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[titans&bucs&bearsohmy!]

Libs are the only ones who can claim to be independent. And that's because they are ashamed of the term liberal.

 

No we aren't. All it means is...

 

lib·er·al   /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Show Spelled

[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA

 

–adjective

1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

 

I will admit, the right has done, and continues to, a better job of smearing the other side. Can't deny that the Republicans are more effective political fighters than the Dems.

 

Can't really blame them, it is a shameful mental disorder to admit to.

 

 

I' much rather admit to being a pro enviornment, pro poor, liberal than a money worshiping bible thumping police state building war mongering gun nut conservative.

[drobeski]

No we aren't. All it means is...

 

 

 

I will admit, the right has done, and continues to, a better job of smearing the other side. Can't deny that the Republicans are more effective political fighters than the Dems.

 

 

 

 

I' much rather admit to being a pro enviornment, pro poor, liberal than a money worshiping bible thumping police state building war mongering gun nut conservative.

police state ? Isn't it you Libtards who want to take guns away ?

[IGotWorms]

The G.O.P. seems to be out of touch on the Bush tax cuts as well:

 

A majority of Americans favor letting the tax cuts enacted during the Bush administration expire for the wealthy. While 37% support keeping the tax cuts for all Americans, 44% want them extended only for those making less than $250,000 and 15% think they should expire for all taxpayers.

 

...

 

The president's views on ending the tax cuts for wealthy Americans are in line with the views of the majority of rank-and-file Democrats. Meanwhile, the majority of Republicans want the tax cuts extended for all taxpayers, regardless of their income level. Independents' views fall between those of the two groups, but a majority (56%) would seem to endorse the idea of not extending tax cuts for higher-income Americans, whether or not they want them extended for middle- and lower-income Americans.

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/142940/Americans-Allowing-Tax-Cuts-Wealthy-Expire.aspx

[Recliner Pilot]

The G.O.P. seems to be out of touch on the Bush tax cuts as well:

 

 

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/142940/Americans-Allowing-Tax-Cuts-Wealthy-Expire.aspx

 

 

When the majority do not pay taxes, it's easy to get a majority to not care about raising taxes.

[Phurfur]

I know exactly what an independent voter is. I also know the political opinions that you have generally expressed on this bored. Therefore, I know that you are not an independent voter. See the logic there?

 

You really don't know! Political opinions have nothing to due with being an independent voter. I guess you have never voted.

[Phurfur]

When did I ever say I was an independent? I've always said I was a center-leaning Democrat.

 

You said I wasn't an independent voter I would like to know how you could know that.

 

You and Worms have not given your definition of an Independent voter, I wonder why.

[Strike]

Poll finds raising debt ceiling unpopular

Published: July 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM

 

PRINCETON, N.J., July 13 (UPI) -- The Americans most closely following the debt ceiling fight oppose raising the limit, the Gallup Poll reported Wednesday.

 

Among those who say they are most attentive to the issue, 53 percent want their member of Congress to vote against a rise, with 37 percent in favor.

 

In the category of people following the dispute "somewhat closely," the same opinion prevails by a 48-28 percent margin. Most of those paying less attention have no opinion.

 

Most respondents say they fear rising deficits more than a threatened national default.

 

President Barack Obama has warned that Social Security checks could stop going out Aug. 3, but senior citizens heavily oppose raising the debt limit.

 

Of all respondents, 22 percent say they are following the issue very closely, 36 somewhat closely, 24 not too closely and 18 not at all.

 

The telephone survey of 1,016 adults was taken Thursday through Sunday with a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/07/13/Poll-finds-raising-debt-ceiling-unpopular/UPI-84291310593046/

[RLLD]

http://www.upi.com/T...84291310593046/

 

But, according to fearless leader people are dumb, so what they think does not matter.....unless they are voting of course....

[Phurfur]

But, according to fearless leader people are dumb, so what they think does not matter.....unless they are voting of course....

 

Nice!

[Frank M]

You said I wasn't an independent voter I would like to know how you could know that.

 

You and Worms have not given your definition of an Independent voter, I wonder why.

 

An independent voter does not consider political parties when they are making their decisions on who or what to vote for.

 

Do I know your voting record? No, but you spout the Republican mantra daily, and you're a Birther, so I would say we have you pegged fairly well.

[Phurfur]

An independent voter does not consider political parties when they are making their decisions on who or what to vote for.

 

Do I know your voting record? No, but you spout the Republican mantra daily, and you're a Birther, so I would say we have you pegged fairly well.

 

 

 

So that is what they mean when they say 50% of Independent voters..... I always thought it had to do with how you registered to vote. How do the pollsters know who is not considering political parties when making their decisions? You would think the margin of error would be huge in a poll like that.

 

BTW: Newbie is the birther not me.

[Frank M]

So that is what they mean when they say 50% of Independent voters..... I always thought it had to do with how you registered to vote. How do the pollsters know who is not considering political parties when making their decisions? You would think the margin of error would be huge in a poll like that.

 

BTW: Newbie is the birther not me.

 

I can't even understand your gobbledygook.

 

When was the last time you voted for a Democrat?

[Recliner Pilot]

No we aren't. All it means is...

 

 

Those with an IQ higher than shoe leather are. Why do you think they call themselves Progs all the sudden?

 

I guess we know where you fall on the IQ scale.

[Phurfur]

I can't even understand your gobbledygook.

 

When was the last time you voted for a Democrat?

 

The same election I voted for a Republican. HTH

 

I would ask you the same thing but you obviously don't vote since you don't know what an independent voter is.

[phillybear]

An independent voter does not consider political parties when they are making their decisions on who or what to vote for.

 

An independent is a bit of free agent in that they aren't locked into one party no matter what. But they are simply neither Republicans nor Democrats but reserve the right to vote that way. It's ambiguous.

 

But consider I am a strict independent voter. I've never voted Democratic or Republican thus far in my life. I've stuck to Libertarian, Reform, etc. However, I can't imagine ever even considering the Democratic, Green, or Socialist Worker parties because they are so far removed from my philosophy of how government should work (follow the Constitution) and I rarely agree with much of anything important on their platforms. I would consider Republican (Ron Paul) or Tea Party. But I've named 4 parties I would consider voting for without any of them being Democrat. You don't have to be a moderate wishy washy, consider only 2 parties h0m0 to be an independent. Political platforms are getting very cookie cutter today, and it's rare to see anomalies where a more libertarian candidate is a Democrat, for example, than a Republican candidate. Just doesn't happen.

 

I have no idea if any of that made sense, so I'm just going to hit Add Reply and touch myself.

[Phurfur]

An independent is a bit of free agent in that they aren't locked into one party no matter what. But they are simply neither Republicans nor Democrats but reserve the right to vote that way. It's ambiguous.

 

 

 

Whenever I have registered to vote there was a section called Political Affiliation. You had to check Republican, Democrat, or Non-Partisan. Voters that register as Non-Partisan are the "independent voters". We give up the right to vote in the primaries in some states but I generally don't vote Republican or Democratic either.

[Frank M]

The same election I voted for a Republican. HTH

 

I would ask you the same thing but you obviously don't vote since you don't know what an independent voter is.

 

I vote in every election. And if you are what you claim you are, then my votes are way more important than yours since they're not wasted as protest votes on candidates with no shot of winning.

 

But my gut feeling, as it has always been since you started posting here, is that you are a dyed in the wool Republican trying to pawn yourself off as something else, and failing miserably.

 

Which also makes you a liar, another good indication that you're a Republican.

[Frank M]

An independent is a bit of free agent in that they aren't locked into one party no matter what. But they are simply neither Republicans nor Democrats but reserve the right to vote that way. It's ambiguous.

 

But consider I am a strict independent voter. I've never voted Democratic or Republican thus far in my life. I've stuck to Libertarian, Reform, etc. However, I can't imagine ever even considering the Democratic, Green, or Socialist Worker parties because they are so far removed from my philosophy of how government should work (follow the Constitution) and I rarely agree with much of anything important on their platforms. I would consider Republican (Ron Paul) or Tea Party. But I've named 4 parties I would consider voting for without any of them being Democrat. You don't have to be a moderate wishy washy, consider only 2 parties h0m0 to be an independent. Political platforms are getting very cookie cutter today, and it's rare to see anomalies where a more libertarian candidate is a Democrat, for example, than a Republican candidate. Just doesn't happen.

 

I have no idea if any of that made sense, so I'm just going to hit Add Reply and touch myself.

 

So you abstain when there is no other candidate? Lots of Reform Party or Libertarian Party candidates running in the elections where you live?

[Reality]

Which also makes you a liar, another good indication that you're a Republican.

 

Clearly

 

[phillybear]

So you abstain when there is no other candidate? Lots of Reform Party or Libertarian Party candidates running in the elections where you live?

 

I can't vote in primaries.

 

It's not easy to see who is running for office ahead of time around here, despite my homework. I don't always go to vote. Sometimes I'll do a write in candidate. But I'm not voting for someone just because they are Democrat or Republican. That would compromise my principles.

[Phurfur]

I vote in every election. And if you are what you claim you are, then my votes are way more important than yours since they're not wasted as protest votes on candidates with no shot of winning.

 

But my gut feeling, as it has always been since you started posting here, is that you are a dyed in the wool Republican trying to pawn yourself off as something else, and failing miserably.

 

Which also makes you a liar, another good indication that you're a Republican.

 

 

Keep drinking the kool-aid comrade! That is how parties remain in power.

 

You really like to categorize people don't you. The problem is that when someone does not fit into one of your little boxes you have a brain fart. Are you really that narrow minded that you cannot see beyond Republican and Democrat? I guess you don't know what a Republican is either.

[Frank M]

Clearly

 

 

I know.

[Frank M]

Keep drinking the kool-aid comrade! That is how parties remain in power.

 

You really like to categorize people don't you. The problem is that when someone does not fit into one of your little boxes you have a brain fart. Are you really that narrow minded that you cannot see beyond Republican and Democrat? I guess you don't know what a Republican is either.

 

Just dumbasses like you.

 

I vote for the available candidate that best represents me and what I think is best. I would rather have some possibility of change rather than no possibility.

 

How many of those third party candidates you voted for actually were elected and had any kind of legislative success? I'm guessing very few.

[Phurfur]

Clearly

 

 

 

 

The lack of knowledge on this bored is incredible. What is your definition of a Republican? With a comment like yours it is obvious you have no clue.

[Phurfur]

I know.

 

Says the poster who doesn't know what an Independent or Republican is. Misery loves company.

 

BTW: Do you know what a Democrat is? I am thinking you don’t.

[Frank M]

The lack of knowledge on this bored is incredible. What is your definition of a Republican? With a comment like yours it is obvious you have no clue.

 

Nuance is lost on you, isn't it?

 

He's a Republican like you.

[phillybear]

Just dumbasses like you.

 

I vote for the available candidate that best represents me and what I think is best. I would rather have some possibility of change rather than no possibility.

 

How many of those third party candidates you voted for actually were elected and had any kind of legislative success? I'm guessing very few.

 

That's almost word for word the standard NewbieJr answer to independent voters.

 

Bad karma day is coming for you. And it's carrying a big 'ole stick.

[Frank M]

Says the poster who doesn't know what an Independent or Republican is. Misery loves company.

 

BTW: Do you know what a Democrat is? I am thinking you don't.

 

Why won't you answer my question about your third party candidates being elected? Is it because none have or is it that you are a liar and actually don't do what you say?

[Frank M]

That's almost word for word the standard NewbieJr answer to independent voters.

 

Bad karma day is coming for you. And it's carrying a big 'ole stick.

 

I'm scared. Terrified, really.

[Phurfur]

Just dumbasses like you.

 

I vote for the available candidate that best represents me and what I think is best. I would rather have some possibility of change rather than no possibility.

 

How many of those third party candidates you voted for actually were elected and had any kind of legislative success? I'm guessing very few.

 

This is exactly what I do.

 

 

BTW: Change is not always good. Buyer beware, see the election of 2008.

[Frank M]

That's almost word for word the standard NewbieJr answer to independent voters.

 

Bad karma day is coming for you. And it's carrying a big 'ole stick.

 

You do know why no third party candidates get elected, don't you? Because they are all loons.

 

Who is the most famous independent politician nowadays? Joe Leiberman, a Democrat in Independent clothing.

[Frank M]

This is exactly what I do.

 

 

BTW: Change is not always good. Buyer beware, see the election of 2008.

 

 

I'm in a better spot than I was then in a lot of ways.

[Strike]

You do know why no third party candidates get elected, don't you? Because they are all loons.

 

 

Actually, I suspect it has a lot more to do with morals, money, and gerrymandering. If you really believe the above it says a lot about you.

[KSB2424]

Don't we know somebody in Moody's we can talk to to? You know, kinda like when you have an old car that prolly won't pass inspection so you take it to one of your buddies that works at the service station and slip him a $20 and a :wink:. Presto!@#! Somehow your car passed.

 

We need to find that guy at Moody's.

[Phurfur]

Why won't you answer my question about your third party candidates being elected? Is it because none have or is it that you are a liar and actually don't do what you say?

 

The people I voted for did not contribute to the disaster that the Republicans and Democrats have created. I don't buy into their crap and I never will. You on the other hand go for it hook, line and sinker. What a way to get votes, “Don’t waste your vote on him, vote for me”.

[IGotWorms]

So that is what they mean when they say 50% of Independent voters..... I always thought it had to do with how you registered to vote. How do the pollsters know who is not considering political parties when making their decisions? You would think the margin of error would be huge in a poll like that.

 

BTW: Newbie is the birther not me.

 

So you are an "Independent" because you are not registered Republican. I had a feeling you had some completely stupid point you were hoping to make out of all this. I return to my original response to your claim to be an Independent voter, which was:

[Phurfur]

 

I'm in a better spot than I was then in a lot of ways.

 

I made out big time but that doesn't help the country. I was fine before.

[Reality]

Nuance is lost on you, isn't it?

 

He's a Republican like you.

 

 

LoL, wtf is going on around here..

 

[Reality]

Don't we know somebody in Moody's we can talk to to? You know, kinda like when you have an old car that prolly won't pass inspection so you take it to one of your buddies that works at the service station and slip him a $20 and a :wink:. Presto!@#! Somehow your car passed.

 

We need to find that guy at Moody's.

 

If we borrow more $ and continue further in to debt we get to keep our prefect rating. When we try to get spending somewhat under control and stop going deeper into debt our rating is ruined..

 

Makes sense to me..

 

 

Wait, this doesn't seem right......