Chris Johnson

[jgcrawfish 232]

How much would you pay him? Five years for sixty million sounds about right to me...that's $12 million per. Am I being too generous?

 

Hard to say. I contend no RB is worth that, but that's another debate. I guess it would depend on my cap situation, I'm not really sure of Tennessee's right now. I'd probably be looking at Adrian Peterson money, and I don't give a damn if DeAngelo is making more than that. Peterson is the standard by which backs are judged. Johnson might command more than AP, but it ain't much more...

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I've been saying all offseason they need to trade his a$$. By the time Locker and the rest of the team will be ready to contend, CJ will be on the downside, which for a 191 lb. speed back, is more like a cliff than a hill. Hell, one good knee blowout and his career is done. He's not the kind of back that will be effective if he loses some speed.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I've been saying all offseason they need to trade his a$. By the time Locker and the rest of the team will be ready to contend, CJ will be on the downside, which for a 191 lb. speed back, is more like a cliff than a hill. Hell, one good knee blowout and his career is done. He's not the kind of back that will be effective if he loses some speed.

 

I know you're fan, so this resonates with me. From his perspective, there's no way I show up in camp on the current contract. He's worth WAY more, particularly to this team. But from the team's perspective, there's no way I pay someone that kind of coin when I'm clearly in rebuilding mode...even if he might be the best back in the league.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

How much would you pay him? Five years for sixty million sounds about right to me...that's $12 million per. Am I being too generous?

5 years would put him at 30 years old. He's probably about 5'10", and maybe 195 pounds. He's averaged over 300 carries in his first 3 years. History tells us he won't make it to 30 at this rate.

 

I think that would be a horrible contract.

[DaDanimal 2]

So after everything that came out today...where is he on ur boards?

[TheBlade 3]

Good luck with that. I've just moved him down to #6 on my own list of RBs. And if this goes another week, well he may find himself out of my top 10 and prolly on my DND list.

 

 

I really hate this hold out crap. Every year it seems on of these guys do this and it hurts them bigtime as far as fantasy production goes.

I feel exactly the same way. He's pretty much been moved to my DND list, unless he's reported and I'm able to get him as an RB2. I fully realize that I may miss out on a great value pick, but I just think it's too big a risk given where most people will draft him at. And I absolutely won't draft him if he hasn't reported when I draft, even with time left in preseason.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

5 years would put him at 30 years old. He's probably about 5'10", and maybe 195 pounds. He's averaged over 300 carries in his first 3 years. History tells us he won't make it to 30 at this rate.

 

I think that would be a horrible contract.

 

That's a good point. Well if you went four years it seems like you'd have to give him at least $45 million, maybe more...right? The more I think about this the more I am convinced that this might be a true deadlock scenario. Chris Johnson would be stupid to play for what the Titans are paying him, and the Titans might be stupid to pay Chris Johnson what he wants to be paid.

 

That kind of bums me out because I own CJ in my money league.

[wild_and_crazy_guy 5]

My concern is that C.Johnson will get hurt if he is not in "football" condition by week 1. I'm drafting #9 in a 10 team league, and there is very slim chance that he will drop to me. But if he does, and if I'm looking at CJ vs a healthy F. Gore, it would be a very tough decision despite what all the FFL magazines say.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

The gamble to me isn't whether or not he misses a few games, it's whether he misses the whole season. Obviously drafting him is a mistake if he misses the whole season if it's an annual redraft league. Week 14 he's home against New Orleans, week 15 at Indianapolis, and week 16 at home against Jacksonville. My playoffs are weeks 15 and 16 and I remember teams running all over Indy last year. So, maybe a fresh rested Chris Johnson that missed the 1st part of the season, will be the guy to win your championship this year.

[Gladiators 2,035]

The gamble to me isn't whether or not he misses a few games, it's whether he misses the whole season. Obviously drafting him is a mistake if he misses the whole season if it's an annual redraft league. Week 14 he's home against New Orleans, week 15 at Indianapolis, and week 16 at home against Jacksonville. My playoffs are weeks 15 and 16 and I remember teams running all over Indy last year. So, maybe a fresh rested Chris Johnson that missed the 1st part of the season, will be the guy to win your championship this year.

 

True, but you gotta get there first. Hopefully it's only a few games missed, if any.

[Portis26 0]

He is a RB who doesn't need training camp. He'll sign a contract late preseason and go on to be the #1 fantasy RB in 2011.

[Phurfur 70]

He is a RB who doesn't need training camp. He'll sign a contract late preseason and go on to be the #1 fantasy RB in 2011.

 

I think he is becoming an injury risk.

[seadog54 20]

could CJ get suspended for holding out like vincent jackson? i think that might be the fear right there... i'm sure he will get signed at some point, but will the titans suspend him if he continues to hold out?

[Portis26 0]

I think he is becoming an injury risk.

Everyone that steps foot on a football field is a injury risk

[skinsrule05 30]

He is a RB who doesn't need training camp. He'll sign a contract late preseason and go on to be the #1 fantasy RB in 2011.

 

I agree he doesn't need training camp to learn what to do but he does need it to be in football shape. So now we'll have a RB that has not had any of the normal offseason conditioning and none of the preseason conditioning. That is a concern.

[DanXIII 8]

I agree he doesn't need training camp to learn what to do but he does need it to be in football shape. So now we'll have a RB that has not had any of the normal offseason conditioning and none of the preseason conditioning. That is a concern.

 

I think an argument could be made that since he'll be playing under a new head coach he does need to be there to learn what to do.

[kutulu 1,719]

Would you pay Chris Johnson top playmaker money?

 

Yes. He's the most exciting player in the NFL 12%

 

Yes. He is the only thing the Titans have 23%

 

No. Clearly talented but RBs not worth it 46%

 

No. Chris Johnson is not worth it 19%

 

Vote TOTAL VOTES: 3934

 

~usatoday.com

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

True, but you gotta get there first. Hopefully it's only a few games missed, if any.

I just finished a mock draft a couple of hours ago with what seemed like reasonable people. I had the #3 spot. I drafted Chris Johnson at #3.

You can kind of see a bit of my strategy here. I really like what Philly did with their defense this year and I anticipate alot of pick 6s. Yes, I could be wrong and their linebacking corps might be too much of an achilles heel. But, the point of the thread is about Chris Johnson, and if you look at my lineup, you'll see I have DeAngelo as my other starting running back which is solid. It's solid because I have Jonothan Stewart if he gets hurt. But, the real point is who will start in place of Chris Johnson? How about Fred Jackson? That's my plan. I also have CJ Spiller just in case Fred Jackson doesn't win the starting spot in week 1. So, I'd be happy with Fred Jackson and DeAngelo Williams starting on my team for the 1st 5 weeks or so. Knowing I have their backups, I can't really go wrong. Notice also that all my recievers have their bye on different weeks (trust me even thought I didn't print it) I took Jordy Nelson to fill in on those 3 weeks. Nelson is on a different bye week. Also Jordy is being talked about possibly becoming the #1 on GB by Brad Evans of Yahoo. Hey, if it happens, I'm in a good position. I have a backup for Brady at QB with Sammy Bradford. Bradford was pretty good in his rookie year and is expected to improve this year. Bradford is on a different bye week than Brady as well. And, I do pick up backups, in this case Michael Bush. If Run DMC ever gets injured, and he's prone to, I've got the #1 man in Oakland running the ball.

 

So, in retrospect, I'd say take Chris Johnson at #1, #2, #3, or anytime after that and feel confident you'll win the championship.

 

1. (3) Chris Johnson RB

2. (18) Hakeem Nicks WR

3. (23) Tom Brady QB

4. (38) Dez Bryant WR

5. (43) Philadelphia DEF

6. (58) Austin Collie WR

7. (63) DeAngelo Williams RB

8. (78) Tony Gonzalez TE

9. (83) Fred Jackson RB

10. (98) Jonathan Stewart RB

11. (103) Jordy Nelson WR

12. (118) Sam Bradford QB

13. (123) Michael Bush RB

14. (138) C.J. Spiller RB

15. (143) Stephen Gostkowski K

[Gladiators 2,035]

I just finished a mock draft a couple of hours ago with what seemed like reasonable people. I had the #3 spot. I drafted Chris Johnson at #3.

You can kind of see a bit of my strategy here. I really like what Philly did with their defense this year and I anticipate alot of pick 6s. Yes, I could be wrong and their linebacking corps might be too much of an achilles heel. But, the point of the thread is about Chris Johnson, and if you look at my lineup, you'll see I have DeAngelo as my other starting running back which is solid. It's solid because I have Jonothan Stewart if he gets hurt. But, the real point is who will start in place of Chris Johnson? How about Fred Jackson? That's my plan. I also have CJ Spiller just in case Fred Jackson doesn't win the starting spot in week 1. So, I'd be happy with Fred Jackson and DeAngelo Williams starting on my team for the 1st 5 weeks or so. Knowing I have their backups, I can't really go wrong. Notice also that all my recievers have their bye on different weeks (trust me even thought I didn't print it) I took Jordy Nelson to fill in on those 3 weeks. Nelson is on a different bye week. Also Jordy is being talked about possibly becoming the #1 on GB by Brad Evans of Yahoo. Hey, if it happens, I'm in a good position. I have a backup for Brady at QB with Sammy Bradford. Bradford was pretty good in his rookie year and is expected to improve this year. Bradford is on a different bye week than Brady as well. And, I do pick up backups, in this case Michael Bush. If Run DMC ever gets injured, and he's prone to, I've got the #1 man in Oakland running the ball.

 

So, in retrospect, I'd say take Chris Johnson at #1, #2, #3, or anytime after that and feel confident you'll win the championship.

 

1. (3) Chris Johnson RB

2. (18) Hakeem Nicks WR

3. (23) Tom Brady QB

4. (38) Dez Bryant WR

5. (43) Philadelphia DEF

6. (58) Austin Collie WR

7. (63) DeAngelo Williams RB

8. (78) Tony Gonzalez TE

9. (83) Fred Jackson RB

10. (98) Jonathan Stewart RB

11. (103) Jordy Nelson WR

12. (118) Sam Bradford QB

13. (123) Michael Bush RB

14. (138) C.J. Spiller RB

15. (143) Stephen Gostkowski K

 

A few things that stick out to me is taking the Philly defense in the 5th. I think that's too early. The ADP in a 10 teamer is the 10th round. But, getting DWill in the 7th also kinda sticks out as his ADP is early 5th. I'm just not sure you'll be able to get that team in a "normal draft". But you could have grabbed DWill in the 5th I suppose.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

A few things that stick out to me is taking the Philly defense in the 5th. I think that's too early. The ADP in a 10 teamer is the 10th round. But, getting DWill in the 7th also kinda sticks out as his ADP is early 5th. I'm just not sure you'll be able to get that team in a "normal draft". But you could have grabbed DWill in the 5th I suppose.

 

Well, I just did another mock draft where I had the 2nd pick this time. I of course took Chris Johnson. But unlike the last draft I have to setttle with slightly less in the Rb department. I would start Fred Jackson if Chris Johnson doesn't start. My other running back will be the starter or the majority of time player between Ryan Williams or Beanie Wells. I've heard that Tim Hightower is the starter in Washington, and if that's correct, I could insert Hightower in either running back position if the matchup is good. Starter positions are 3WR, 1TE, 2RB, 1DEF, 1QB, 1K, then 6 bench. I think this still works.

 

 

1. (2) Chris Johnson RB

2. (19) Hakeem Nicks WR

3. (22) Vincent Jackson WR

4. (39) Dez Bryant WR

5. (42) Dallas Clark TE

6. (59) Austin Collie WR

7. (62) Ben Roethlisberger QB

8. (79) Fred Jackson RB

9. (82) Ryan Williams RB

10. (99) Beanie Wells RB

11. (102) C.J. Spiller RB

12. (119) Tim Hightower RB

13. (122) Kyle Orton QB

14. (139) Detroit DEF

15. (142) Garrett Hartley K

[seh2000 5]

I am sitting 3rd in a PPR league. From the sounds of the top 2 picks, it sounds like Peterson and Foster will go...leaving me with CJ, Charles, or Rice. If signed by 9/2, our draft, I think I'd take CJ with strong confidence. However, if in question...is Charles or Rice the pick at #3...or...who????

 

Thanks.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

I am sitting 3rd in a PPR league. From the sounds of the top 2 picks, it sounds like Peterson and Foster will go...leaving me with CJ, Charles, or Rice. If signed by 9/2, our draft, I think I'd take CJ with strong confidence. However, if in question...is Charles or Rice the pick at #3...or...who????

 

Thanks.

Signed or unsigned Chris Johnson is the pick. If he misses time, it's just more time off for his body to be even stronger once he hits the field. If you have to take a lesser back just because of a few weeks, you weren't going to win your league anyways.

[Gladiators 2,035]

Signed or unsigned Chris Johnson is the pick. If he misses time, it's just more time off for his body to be even stronger once he hits the field. If you have to take a lesser back just because of a few weeks, you weren't going to win your league anyways.

 

I'd probably take CJ too, but it certainly doesn't guarantee a championship.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

I'd probably take CJ too, but it certainly doesn't guarantee a championship.

If you take Foster or Peterson, you have an argument you can back up with some stats. But if you pick somebody else when you could've had Chris Johnson, you're completely speculating. Of course there are no guarantees, a person could have the first 15 picks in front of everyone in the draft and that wouldn't even guarantee the championship. But, at 1 point for 10 rushing yards, 1 point for 10 receiving yards, and 6 points per rushing touchdown or receiving touchdown, CJ should not be passed on.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

I decided to take Chris Johnson with the #1 pick in this mock draft. In this case I'd just start Ryan Williams if Chris Johnson doesn't start in week 1. Of course in this draft, I'd be counting on Josh Freeman or Joe Flaco at quarterback. If Freeman was a one year wonder last year, I'd be hurtin'.

 

 

1. (1) Chris Johnson RB

2. (20) Vincent Jackson WR

3. (21) Greg Jennings WR

4. (40) DeAngelo Williams RB

5. (41) Dallas Clark TE

6. (60) Philadelphia DEF

7. (61) Mario Manningham WR

8. (80) Joe Flacco QB

9. (81) Jonathan Stewart RB

10. (100) Josh Freeman QB

11. (101) Ryan Williams RB

12. (120) Michael Bush RB

13. (121) Jacoby Jones WR

14. (140) Lee Evans WR

15. (141) Garrett Hartley K

[TheBlade 3]

Signed or unsigned Chris Johnson is the pick. If he misses time, it's just more time off for his body to be even stronger once he hits the field. If you have to take a lesser back just because of a few weeks, you weren't going to win your league anyways.

You're making the assumption that he signs and reports at some point thus season. I don't think he does, unless Tenn ponies up a ton of money. As stated already in this thread, Tenn doesn't have a lot of motivation to do that compared to what it will cost them. CJ has absolutely no motivation or reason to report for the chump change they're currently obligated to pay him and risk a career-threatening injury. I'm not willing to gamble my first round pick, particularly with what else is available in the spot, on CJ inking a new deal and playing ball this year.

[skinsrule05 30]

Signed or unsigned Chris Johnson is the pick. If he misses time, it's just more time off for his body to be even stronger once he hits the field. If you have to take a lesser back just because of a few weeks, you weren't going to win your league anyways.

 

Do you say this every time one of your guy misses games- "great that is just more time for him to heal".

 

It is fine that you are of the belief that cj will play but you are going so far overboard that it makes it tough to take you seriously.

 

I am of the belief that you can only lose your season with the first pick so I tend to be more conservative. Taking a guy mired in a contract dispute who has yet to do any real practicing does not sit well with me.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

You're making the assumption that he signs and reports at some point thus season. I don't think he does, unless Tenn ponies up a ton of money. As stated already in this thread, Tenn doesn't have a lot of motivation to do that compared to what it will cost them. CJ has absolutely no motivation or reason to report for the chump change they're currently obligated to pay him and risk a career-threatening injury. I'm not willing to gamble my first round pick, particularly with what else is available in the spot, on CJ inking a new deal and playing ball this year.

 

Your kidding right? No way does a star football player at the running back position sit out the whole year. He's in the prime of his career and it's bad business for the NFL not to have this guy on the field. But, having said that, you're right. I am making the assumption that he signs and reports at some point this season. I can't think of another situation in the history of the NFL where a top running back in his prime sat the whole season on a contract dispute. But, again, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen here. I'm willing to risk my season on a gamble like this. I understand if people don't.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

Do you say this every time one of your guy misses games- "great that is just more time for him to heal".

 

It is fine that you are of the belief that cj will play but you are going so far overboard that it makes it tough to take you seriously.

 

I am of the belief that you can only lose your season with the first pick so I tend to be more conservative. Taking a guy mired in a contract dispute who has yet to do any real practicing does not sit well with me.

No, not every time, ha ha. But, in the case of a huge producing running back, I don't mind if he takes the first few weeks off. Less miles on his legs for the fantasy playoff weeks. I do agree with your motto overall though, that a bad first round pick can lose it for you. But, then again, last year I took Randy Moss in the 1st round and still ended up winning because people gave up on guys like Vincent Jackson. If Chris Johnson was injured, then I'd stay away. But, I can't help but envision those 150 yard games with 2 or more touchdowns. I will risk my 1st round for that! But, I do understand, the conservative approach, which makes good sense too.

[wild_and_crazy_guy 5]

He is a RB who doesn't need training camp. He'll sign a contract late preseason and go on to be the #1 fantasy RB in 2011.

 

Reminds me of Superfans on SNL - CJ is like Ditka! Not only does he NOT need the preseason, he can skip the first 7 games and still be the top RB in the galaxy! He is heads and shoulders above AP and Rice, and he doesn't even need to be in uniform! I'm taking CJ at #1 no matter what! Daaaa Titans.