Rick Perry Will Abolish Three Departments of the Federal Government!

[cbfalcon 827]

I don't particularly care for Rick Perry - but it's ridiculous that this brain-freeze moment is what will sink him.

The guy froze, couldn't remember his line... happens to everyone.

 

Not remembering "a line" is different that not remembering what department of the federal government you plan to get rid of.

 

HTH

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

People are really dumb...

 

the difference is that liberals think they can convert the dummies into communists to oppress them and maintain their power

 

conservatives want to lead the dummies to freedom.

 

[MedStudent 56]

The republitards have fetishized stupidity for years. Spewing "aw-shucks" and/or homespun peckerwood aphorisms is a prerequisite.

 

I mean, Perry has boasted in the past about how he was a C student. Dubya did the same thing.

 

If you got A's in school you get branded an elitist by the republitards. They play to their drobeski-Joe the Plummer base.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Perry looked like a complete imbecile.

 

Side note, why should we care who full blown liberals think should be the Republican nominee?

 

Because sometimes people--usually adults--enjoy talking politics even when they don't necessarily agree on the issues. HTH.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I don't particularly care for Rick Perry - but it's ridiculous that this brain-freeze moment is what will sink him.

The guy froze, couldn't remember his line... happens to everyone.

 

I wish candicates were vetted by something more than the "gotcha" moments.

 

Line 'em up.

Give them thirty seconds to answer, look good, smile, and plug their campaign slogan.

rinse/repeate.

 

and everyone votes based on that.

Horrible.

 

 

But that's elections nowadays - it's American Idol.

 

I agree with you for the most part.

 

But I think the reason this is going to doom Perry is that he needed to have a decent performance after everything that's happened. Terrible past performances in the debate, "N!ggerhead", poll number slumping big-time, and then that bizarre speech he gave in New Hampshire.

 

The only way he could recover was by righting the ship quickly and showing people that he does deserve to be taken seriously. Instead he fell flat on his face.

 

That's why it's such a big deal. If Perry were running a good campaign up until this moment then it probably wouldn't have mattered much. Hell, it could've almost been endearing, like "hey, I have brain farts too sometimes, so it's kind of nice to see that he is a real person."

 

But generally, you are right. These debates offer pretty much nothing substantive and only exist to see whether candidates can get through without making a "gaffe".

[MedStudent 56]

that bizarre speech he gave in New Hampshire.

 

 

That bizarre speeh in new hampshire reminded me of howard dean's bizarre yell which basically ended his campaign.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ycCFVKSg4

[Reality 3,124]

Because sometimes people--usually adults--enjoy talking politics even when they don't necessarily agree on the issues. HTH.

 

Let me know when they show up.

 

HTH

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Let me know when they show up.

 

HTH

 

They're already here. Allow me to explain this to you further, because you don't seem to understand what I am saying.

 

There is "talking politics" where you are discussing your personal beliefs and trying to recruit people over to your line of thinking. For example, perhaps you get in a passionate debate with someone over whether abortion equals murder or whether it is OK for the United States to torture suspected terrorists.

 

Then there is "talking politics" where you look at politics as a sport or horse race, if you will. Which guy is going to win the nomination? Who will stock up better against Obama? What are Obama's chances of winning if the economy is still weak? When discussing these issues, it doesn't matter what your personal political beliefs are because you are detached, you are looking at this as almost a game if you will.

 

And in this second sense of "talking politics", it very much matters what "the other side" thinks about "your" guys. I think that Romney has the best shot against Obama and I hope that he does not get the nomination. But at this point I am looking at the Republican field and I think it's inevitable that he will. Does that viewpoint really hold no value to you?

[Reality 3,124]

They're already here. Allow me to explain this to you further, because you don't seem to understand what I am saying.

 

There is "talking politics" where you are discussing your personal beliefs and trying to recruit people over to your line of thinking. For example, perhaps you get in a passionate debate with someone over whether abortion equals murder or whether it is OK for the United States to torture suspected terrorists.

 

Then there is "talking politics" where you look at politics as a sport or horse race, if you will. Which guy is going to win the nomination? Who will stock up better against Obama? What are Obama's chances of winning if the economy is still weak? When discussing these issues, it doesn't matter what your personal political beliefs are because you are detached, you are looking at this as almost a game if you will.

 

And in this second sense of "talking politics", it very much matters what "the other side" thinks about "your" guys. I think that Romney has the best shot against Obama and I hope that he does not get the nomination. But at this point I am looking at the Republican field and I think it's inevitable that he will. Does that viewpoint really hold no value to you?

 

Ah, so in a thread you started with the sole purpose of making fun of Perry your actual goal was to discuss politics as a "grown up"...

 

Got ya'

 

[donhaas 19]

They're already here. Allow me to explain this to you further, because you don't seem to understand what I am saying.

 

There is "talking politics" where you are discussing your personal beliefs and trying to recruit people over to your line of thinking. For example, perhaps you get in a passionate debate with someone over whether abortion equals murder or whether it is OK for the United States to torture suspected terrorists.

 

Then there is "talking politics" where you look at politics as a sport or horse race, if you will. Which guy is going to win the nomination? Who will stock up better against Obama? What are Obama's chances of winning if the economy is still weak? When discussing these issues, it doesn't matter what your personal political beliefs are because you are detached, you are looking at this as almost a game if you will.

 

And in this second sense of "talking politics", it very much matters what "the other side" thinks about "your" guys. I think that Romney has the best shot against Obama and I hope that he does not get the nomination. But at this point I am looking at the Republican field and I think it's inevitable that he will. Does that viewpoint really hold no value to you?

 

You r a libtard and u hate amerika... Until u stop hatin amerika I kent talk politicks with you...

 

On every possible gauge Obummer is da most Republican president I've ever seen in my lifetime on every singel issue... but his reputation amongst FoxNews and Breitbart - my only sources of information - seys hes a communist Mooslim Amerika hater...

 

libruls think they can convert the dummies into communists to oppress them and maintain their power

 

conservatives want to lead the dummies to freedom.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

You r a libtard and u hate amerika... Until u stop hatin amerika I kent talk politicks with you...

 

On every possible gauge Obummer is da most Republican president I've ever seen in my lifetime on every singel issue... but his reputation amongst FoxNews and Breitbart - my only sources of information - seys hes a communist Mooslim Amerika hater...

 

libruls think they can convert the dummies into communists to oppress them and maintain their power

 

conservatives want to lead the dummies to freedom.

 

Yeah that's pretty much what it comes down to these days. And to think we were once a great nation.

[BLS 315]

You r a libtard and u hate amerika... Until u stop hatin amerika I kent talk politicks with you...

 

On every possible gauge Obummer is da most Republican president I've ever seen in my lifetime on every singel issue... but his reputation amongst FoxNews and Breitbart - my only sources of information - seys hes a communist Mooslim Amerika hater...

 

libruls think they can convert the dummies into communists to oppress them and maintain their power

 

conservatives want to lead the dummies to freedom.

 

 

Dude, you're like 2nd in line behind GFIAFP for biggest bored dooshbag.

 

 

You should probably internally acknowledge that....cuz...damn.

[donhaas 19]

Dude, you're like 2nd in line behind GFIAFP for biggest bored dooshbag.

 

 

You should probably internally acknowledge that....cuz...damn.

 

I'm quoting actual quotes on this board...

 

So why am I the dooshbag?

 

 

And when did you become such a poosay?

[SUXBNME 1,611]

And when did you become such a poosay?

When he quit drinking.

[SUXBNME 1,611]

Who else can get the nomination?

 

Cain - Done it by these sexual harassment allegations

Gingrich - Never a serious candidate

The sexual harassmentallegations . Guilty until proven innocent, right?

Remember the Duke Lacrosse scandal ?

 

Newt was never a serious candidate? Try again, fucko. By far the most intelligent, and the race is still young.

 

Personally, I'm glad that Perry had a brain fart last night. I liked him in the beginning, but his "campaign tactics" as far as attempting to throw all the other candidates under the bus versus discussing issues has just sickened me. Good riddance to bad trash.

 

Also, Redtodd won this thread with his first post

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The sexual harassmentallegations . Guilty until proven innocent, right?

 

Well the National Restaurant Association settled a couple of those allegations, so I assume there was probably something behind them. Is he guilty in the court of law? I dunno, probably not. It was 20 years ago after all. But guilty in the court of public opinion? Yeah, I think he is. Thing is I don't even care. JFK was a philanderer, Bill Clinton was a total perv...obviously it shouldn't be that big of a deal. But it seems like this is enough to sink his campaign, rightly or not.

 

Newt was never a serious candidate? Try again, fucko. By far the most intelligent, and the race is still young.

 

It seems to me like Newt isn't even trying. I think he knows he just has too much baggage with all of his own cheating scandals AFTER getting Clinton impeached in the House.

 

But at the same time, Newt does seem to be the only guy left. Bachmann--old news. Perry--done. Cain--well I think he's finished. Huntsman just isn't gaining traction and Paul can't appeal to a broader audience. Newt is pretty much the only anti-Romney candidate left.

[redtodd 7]

 

Also, Redtodd won this thread with his first post

 

[TD Ryan2 316]

Not remembering "a line" is different that not remembering what department of the federal government you plan to get rid of.

nah... I disagree... the whole thing is a staged/canned response activity.

Perry forgot his line, the same way I forget to call my kids the right names.

 

I don't really believe Perry doesn't know his "plan", he just forgot under the spotlight.

Just my opinion, we can disagree but it would take a lot for you to convince me that Perry REALLY didn't know what departments were to be eliminated vs. he just brain-farted.

 

IGotWorms

Fair point - maybe this is just the straw to break Perry's back... but it's dumb - whether the guy has a "R" or "D" on his shirt, the whole dog n' pony show (errr... debate) is dumb.

They need to take these candidates and sit them down in a room for 2 hours and just have a conversation - one where the American people can listen in. No "30seconds or less" no canned questions/answers - a conversation... yup, bad TV, bad ratings, and not that entertaining... but much more substantive.

[hoytdwow 202]

He did a great job reading from a teleprompter on Letterman last night

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Ah, so in a thread you started with the sole purpose of making fun of Perry your actual goal was to discuss politics as a "grown up"...

 

Got ya'

 

 

More Worm's ownage.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Last night the wife (34B) and I were eating dinner in the kitchen breakfast table where you can still see the television in the family room. It was the 6:30 est nightly news on ABC with Diane Sawyer that was on the tube. One of the first news story on was about Herman Cain and the so called alledged sexual harrasment circus, then they ran a big story on the topic of this thread. Didn't mention anything else about the debate, but kept showing the 'brain freeze' by Perry over and over again. Then ABC went into another segment about how 'brain freezes' happen or some weird story.

 

My wife (who doesn't keep up with politics all that much) looked up to me and said "Why are they making such a big deal about that?" "Stuff like that happens to everybody when speaking in front of people occaisionally." "Why isn't the nightly news talking about real news that really matters like the issues in the debate itself, or maybe the economy, the wars, and other things like that?"

 

I just shrugged my shoulders and said: "I have no idea either, wierd isn't it?".

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of61E1FesPU

[parrot 790]

I don't really believe Perry doesn't know his "plan", he just forgot under the spotlight.

 

Unless it's not really a "plan" at all, and instead just a throwaway soundbite he puts out there because it sounds good to conservatives.

 

He's going into a Presidential debate; he's proposing eliminating three federal departments, a pretty drastic step. Shouldn't he have his arguments for doing so locked and loaded? It's not like he tripped over a word or mixed up a phrase, he "forgot" a major part of his campaign position. To me, that's pretty significant and hard to explain away as simply freezing under the lights.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Obama forgets he gave Medal of Honor posthumously. I guess handing those things out isn't that important, since he can't remember doing it.

 

[cbfalcon 827]

Perry forgot his line, the same way I forget to call my kids the right names.

 

People call their kids by the wrong names all the time. But if we stop everything and ask you what your kids names are, my bet is you'd be able to figure it out within a minute or so.

 

 

They need to take these candidates and sit them down in a room for 2 hours and just have a conversation - one where the American people can listen in. No "30seconds or less" no canned questions/answers - a conversation... yup, bad TV, bad ratings, and not that entertaining... but much more substantive.

 

Agreed.

[parrot 790]

Agreed.

 

Agreed Agreed.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Last night the wife (34B) and I were eating dinner in the kitchen breakfast table where you can still see the television in the family room. It was the 6:30 est nightly news on ABC with Diane Sawyer that was on the tube. One of the first news story on was about Herman Cain and the so called alledged sexual harrasment circus, then they ran a big story on the topic of this thread. Didn't mention anything else about the debate, but kept showing the 'brain freeze' by Perry over and over again. Then ABC went into another segment about how 'brain freezes' happen or some weird story.

 

My wife (who doesn't keep up with politics all that much) looked up to me and said "Why are they making such a big deal about that?" "Stuff like that happens to everybody when speaking in front of people occaisionally." "Why isn't the nightly news talking about real news that really matters like the issues in the debate itself, or maybe the economy, the wars, and other things like that?"

 

I just shrugged my shoulders and said: "I have no idea either, wierd isn't it?".

 

 

Unless it's not really a "plan" at all, and instead just a throwaway soundbite he puts out there because it sounds good to conservatives.

 

He's going into a Presidential debate; he's proposing eliminating three federal departments, a pretty drastic step. Shouldn't he have his arguments for doing so locked and loaded? It's not like he tripped over a word or mixed up a phrase, he "forgot" a major part of his campaign position. To me, that's pretty significant and hard to explain away as simply freezing under the lights.

I like you better when you just nod and agree with me.

Agreed.Agreed.Agreed.

[parrot 790]

I like you better when you just nod and agree with me.

Agreed.Agreed.Agreed.

 

I agree with your larger point about "gotcha" politics, I'm just not sure this is a great example. So it's all good bruddah.

 

And to be clear, this doesn't really make me doubt Perry's intelligence, it makes me doubt his sincerity.

[IAMWood 6]

Come on, Rick Perry just had brain fart, it happens to all of us. You really can't think of a word on the tip of your tongue sometimes? He is best candidate by far. Conservative socially and fiscally. I doubt the average American can get past soundbites like this, but if they use their brain. Perry is by far best candidate.

[DanXIII 8]

Come on, Rick Perry just had brain fart, it happens to all of us. You really can't think of a word on the tip of your tongue sometimes? He is best candidate by far. Conservative socially and fiscally. I doubt the average American can get past soundbites like this, but if they use their brain. Perry is by far best candidate.

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Perry could have a 4 year brain fart while POTUS and still do less damage than what Obama has.

[TD Ryan2 316]

it makes me doubt his sincerity.

yeah - I doubt all of them from an honesty/sincerity perspective (all except Ron Paul).

From Rick Perry, to Mitt Romney, to Obama... Perry/Romney are clearly slicksters, Obama may be even worse b/c he sells the sincerity part well, but his actions/results tell a different story.

[KSB2424 3,174]

yeah - I doubt all of them from an honesty/sincerity perspective (all except Ron Paul).

From Rick Perry, to Mitt Romney, to Obama... Perry/Romney are clearly slicksters, Obama may be even worse b/c he sells the sincerity part well, but his actions/results tell a different story.

Bingo

 

I am not going to vote for Rick Perry in the primary. Out of all the Republian candidates he's like 5th on my wish list. But it's not because he had a brain freeze on one question in one debate. Anyone that's ever spoken in public in front of a bunch of folks (without a telepromter) knows what happened to Perry can happen to anyone.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Perry could have a 4 year brain fart while POTUS and still do less damage than what Obama has.

 

In a thread about Perry...how many times have you brought up Obama?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

In a thread about Perry...how many times have you brought up Obama?

 

 

Dunno. Check your notes and get back to us, Freak.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Unless it's not really a "plan" at all, and instead just a throwaway soundbite he puts out there because it sounds good to conservatives.

 

He's going into a Presidential debate; he's proposing eliminating three federal departments, a pretty drastic step. Shouldn't he have his arguments for doing so locked and loaded? It's not like he tripped over a word or mixed up a phrase, he "forgot" a major part of his campaign position. To me, that's pretty significant and hard to explain away as simply freezing under the lights.

 

Yeah that's the other thing about this "brain freeze". I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to me like Perry has this grand plan and simply froze up on trying to explain a key part of it.

 

I think his handlers gave him this "plan" to use as a soundbite--"you hate government? Yeah well I hate government even more! In fact, I will get rid of THREE departments as soon as I start!"

 

It's no coincidence that Perry said this to Ron Paul too--largely regarded to be the most libertarian anti-government candidate out there. It wasn't meant to be a real platform, just a way of reminding the base of his conservative bonafides.

[DanXIII 8]

In a thread about Perry...how many times have you brought up Obama?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Lec3m1pLY

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

[DanXIII 8]

Rick Perry's daughter is pretty hot IMO

 

Here's a video from when she competed for Miss Teen USA:

 

[TD Ryan2 316]

Rick Perry's daughter is pretty hot IMO