Should Cam Newton win the ROY?

[jerryskids 6,790]

 

Do you read?

 

Once the race card is played, the more logic you use, the more racist you are. Racist.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

This is bullsh!t!! Why the hell wasn't Shaun King ROY 1999!?!? The Bucs went to the NFC championship game with him behind center!! Was it racism?!?!?

[Kingstowne Dealers 14]

So . . . much . . . hyperbole.

 

No one can just say, "These two are really having great rookie seasons. My preference is 'x' because . . ."

 

There isn't a "no-brainer" in the argument. Cam Newton, 2 games in, was anointed the ROY by the entirety of the media . . . and who could blame them when the guy put up a ridiculous 854 yards. Game 4 he added to the insane number by posting 374 yards. 1400 yards in the first four games was a "no-brainer." It allowed people to overlook the pedestrian performance against the only decent defense faced during that time. His numbers since then have been good for a rookie, though not nearly what the start of the season was. What it hasn't been is bad. If he were bad, then the excitement over the spectacular start probably would have been tempered a bit. Regardless, the guy is talented, and is having a statistically phenomenal rookie year. Kudos. He'll probably win the award. Ultimately, he's done what a very good player does. He has excelled against bad to below average defenses, and had less success against better ones (Jax, Tennessee)

 

Now before anyone gets on my remarks about the "good, not great" comment, I beg you to put his numbers in perspective, and look at passing numbers across the league. Draw your own conclusions in a year where three quarterbacks are on pace to break Dan Marino's long-standing record, and passing offense is up across the board, and this is something to consider.

 

On the other side, Dalton was not asked to do as much early on, but his role has steadily increased as the season wears on. Are his numbers as dynamic as Newton's? I'm afraid not. While Dalton definitely has the better defense, and a team with more to play for, where the Bengals are young is at Wide Receiver and Tight End. Further, the Bengals rushing attack has been, well . . . not as good as the Panthers.

 

Does this matter in ROY? Maybe it does, unless all you're interested in is the gaudy number. 3297. That's big. But if I'm making a case for Dalton, I'm looking at other things. You see, Cam had my vote until I watched Dalton poised under pressure against the Steelers, and a week later against the Ravens. This is eyeball testing, for those who ask for that. And poise against Pittsburgh and Baltimore is more impressive than poise against New Orleans and Tampa. Just saying.

Pittsburgh (#1), Baltimore (#3), San Francisco (#5), Cleveland (#8), Jacksonville (#4). They comprise six contests against top-10 defenses. Tennessee and Seattle are top 20.

 

600 yards separate the two in passing. Frankly, I'm surprised it's not more.

 

But my vote is still for Dalton.

 

Your argument boils down to throw out the stats and judge based on who looks the prettiest in the pocket against top defenses....

[Dan 66]

Your argument boils down to throw out the stats and judge based on who looks the prettiest in the pocket against top defenses....

 

Yeah, that's what I was saying . . .

 

Cause Andy Dalton really has nothing to his credit at all, the scab. He hasn't thrown for 2600 yards and 17 TDs against 12 INTs, and he hasn't done that against tougher competition with less-experienced personnel around him.

 

I really wasn't speaking to anything intangible about the leadership qualities that Dalton has an abundance of, yet get overlooked while Newton's intangibles are lauded.

 

You're right. My whole argument was predicated on his grooming and visual appeal in the pocket. Further, I like his hair. I'm a sucker for redheads.

[Walter34 3]

Dan - regarding the panthers having better rushing than the Bengals, take away Cam's yards and they are pretty equal in yards. The difference is yds \ carry where the Panthers are 5.0 and the bengals 3.9. Many things add to this so we cant draw hard conclusions, but Cam not only runs but throws down field which opens up run lanes. defences need to protect deep and protect against his scrambles. He has an 8 yd \ attempt while Dalton has a 6.8. Shorter - higher percentage passes for dalton. Cam is more of a big play guy. Not saying one is better, just saying that they are apples and oranges sta for stat. Two different qbs altogether.

 

You also mention the young Bengal receivers, true, but Gresham and Green are stars on the ris and are better than what the Panthers have - even a born again Steve Smith.

 

Dalton is having a great year for a rookie. His numbers are very impressive. Not many rookies are as successful and in fact his numbers are similar to Rothlisberger's rookie year. Cam's numbers are unique. Before last year, Vick only had 1 season in his career that was as good. I hadn't looked until now, but 13 rush TDs! Overall the Panthers have 19 rush TDs, which is great for fantasy owners, but in the real world, I see that as red zone efficiency as well.

 

Both are making bad teams better - I would argue that dalton doesnt have to do as much with his supporting cast including the D. He is a game manager that is developing into more, but is not pressed on a weekly basis to put up 30 points a game to compete. Cam is in a position where they need lots of points, every week to have a chance.

 

I am not saying these two are Ben and Vick by the way, just looking at first year performance. Cam is dynamic and making football exciting in carolina, largely a one man show. Dalton is steady and becoming good, but is part of a collective team improvement. There is a difference there.

 

Cam is a lock because the media doesnt look too deep in these things. But, I think he deserves it as well and would put him well ahead of dalton as far as overall player right now. I'll take either over Hanie as well.

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Who's had the better season Eli Manning or Andy Dalton? You idiots would say Dalton because he has one more win.

 

Meanwhile Seattle and Arizona QBs are obviously better than Newton because they have one more win.

 

It is absolutely focking retarded logic.

 

You guys act like rushing a one yard TD is easy and a given. Meanwhile Jerome Bettis and the venerable he who should not be benched were on teams for the last few years of their career to do just that. Only they didn't pass for 4000 yards.