For those that do not believe in Evolution.

[edjr 6,899]

The world is at least 200 years old.

[Frank M 181]

This is why I do not debate in this forearm anymore. Those being reasonable in this thread are treated like they're stupid, and the stupid ones have fellow sycophants who assure them that they're reasonable.

 

Too much stupid.

 

I thought you didn't debate because you couldn't do it without being a pedantic dooshbag.

 

[IMMensaMind 462]

Stupid #1

Stupid #2

Stupid #3

 

Agreed.

 

Among the stupidest people found on the 'net. Impossible to carry a civil debate with, so I've stopped trying. Have a nice day, fucksticks.

[Savage Beast 1]

2 felius domesticus mated in a New York city alley. One was black and the other was white with black splotches. Their 8 offspring were both black, white, and splotched. This is evolution in action. 2 of the same kind mated and produced offspring. How could this possibly happen? It's a scientific miracle.

 

Now which science magazine is going to publish my article? I just discovered Darwinistic evolution in action.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

When that shark ripped his arm off, I thought he was going to rip his other arm off and beat the shark to death with it.

 

I'm not sure you thought through the logistics of this scenario.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

2 felius domesticus mated in a New York city alley. One was black and the other was white with black splotches. Their 8 offspring were both black, white, and splotched. This is evolution in action. 2 of the same kind mated and produced offspring. How could this possibly happen? It's a scientific miracle.

 

Now which science magazine is going to publish my article? I just discovered Darwinistic evolution in action.

Nobody will publish that tripe. You forgot to blame "Global Warming".

[KSB2424 3,174]

I'm not sure you thought through the logistics of this scenario.

Are you questioning Samuel L. Jackson's ability to rip off his arm with his mouth?

[Savage Beast 1]

Nobody will publish that tripe. You forgot to blame "Global Warming".

 

 

I'm saving the global warming evolutionary link for the next article.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Are you questioning Samuel L. Jackson's ability to rip off his arm with his mouth?

Yes. We aren't talking about Chuck Norris here.

 

Does that make me racist?

[Frank M 181]

Agreed.

 

Among the stupidest people found on the 'net. Impossible to carry a civil debate with, so I've stopped trying. Have a nice day, fucksticks.

 

Your words hurt.

 

We all tried to have civil debates with you, but failed because all you wanted to do was beat us up.

 

 

[penultimatestraw 473]

Your words hurt.

 

We all tried to have civil debates with you, but failed because all you wanted to do was beat us up.

Will we be seeing you at the pancake social?

[Frank M 181]

Will we be seeing you at the pancake social?

 

No, and I'm taking the bus home.

[KSB2424 3,174]

No, and I'm taking the bus home.

And finally this thread has come full circle to what I wanted to say the whole time. Is there any doubt that Val Kilmer evolved from the Geico Caveman guy? They look just alike minus all the body hair.

 

Caveman

 

Kilmer

[NewbieJr 541]

Agreed.

 

Among the stupidest people found on the 'net. Impossible to carry a civil debate with, so I've stopped trying. Have a nice day, fucksticks.

LOLOL. Your problem is that you're a guy with a lot of intelligence, but you have serious anger management issues and the maturity level of a 12 year-old. You love to debate with folks and use your fancy words, but if you don't sway everyone to your side after two tries, it infuriates you and you turn to grade school threats.

 

In other words, you're a childish asspipe who thinks he's tough. So go find some messageboard where everyone agrees with your opinions so they don't lure you into a temper tantrum.

[drobeski 3,061]

back to the op, so its conclusive that this whole shark evolved is basically just a bunch of horse crap right ? Ed, can you add to the title "here is a link that doesnt prove it" ?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

LOLOL. Your problem is that you're a guy with a lot of intelligence, but you have serious anger management issues and the maturity level of a 12 year-old. You love to debate with folks and use your fancy words, but if you don't sway everyone to your side after two tries, it infuriates you and you turn to grade school threats.

 

In other words, you're a childish asspipe who thinks he's tough. So go find some messageboard where everyone agrees with your opinions so they don't lure you into a temper tantrum.

 

I was with you up to that point.

[NewbieJr 541]

I was with you up to that point.

I think he's the kind of guy who could sit and take a written test and do very well, but if you met him, you'd think he's one of the biggest idiots you ever met.

[gocolts 300]

Evolution theory destroyed.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr8oMOtGo3E&feature=youtu.be

[penultimatestraw 473]

Evolution theory destroyed.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr8oMOtGo3E&feature=youtu.be

Did the red herring evolve from the strawman, or vice versa?

 

The video confuses evolution with scientific explanations of the origin of the universe/life. While related, evolution does not attempt to answer many of the questions posed in the video. Meanwhile, the best "answer" ID'ers provide to any question is 'Golly, I can't figure it out, so God must have done it.' Of course there is no need to prove God's existence, while scientists must explain absolutely everything to refute religion's argument from ignorance.

[JackARoot 2]

Did the red herring evolve from the strawman, or vice versa?

 

The video confuses evolution with scientific explanations of the origin of the universe/life. While related, evolution does not attempt to answer many of the questions posed in the video. Meanwhile, the best "answer" ID'ers provide to any question is 'Golly, I can't figure it out, so God must have done it.' Of course there is no need to prove God's existence, while scientists must explain absolutely everything to refute religion's argument from ignorance.

 

Yeah, "Did you know that religion can't prove any of these things either."

 

I don't have a problem with people having faith in God and believing that God caused all of these things to happen. I just don't get why they would be so threatened by the Theory of Evolution. Isn't it possible both could be true?

 

I saw a cool show last night about Burmese pythons and how they are thriving in the Florida Everglades. They dissected a couple of pythons. One interesting part of the python's anatomy is that it still has vestigial remnants of back legs. So it appears that at one time pythons were lizards, but as they evolved to have longer and longer spines their legs became unnecessary.

 

Also, pythons are the only snake that will kill and eat a human ... the big ones will also sometimes eat full-grown gators

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Yeah, "Did you know that religion can't prove any of these things either."

 

I don't have a problem with people having faith in God and believing that God caused all of these things to happen. I just don't get why they would be so threatened by the Theory of Evolution. Isn't it possible both could be true?

 

I saw a cool show last night about Burmese pythons and how they are thriving in the Florida Everglades. They dissected a couple of pythons. One interesting part of the python's anatomy is that it still has vestigial remnants of back legs. So it appears that at one time pythons were lizards, but as they evolved to have longer and longer spines their legs became unnecessary.

 

Also, pythons are the only snake that will kill and eat a human ... the big ones will also sometimes eat full-grown gators

 

I am sure that there are some garden snakes that would eat Gutterboy.

[NewbieJr 541]

The religious zealots believe that Noah built an arc and somehow got a male and female of every species of animal to get onboard and live harmoniously for 40 days without eating each other, but they can't wrap their heads around evolution.

[drobeski 3,061]

The religious zealots believe that Noah built an arc and somehow got a male and female of every species of animal to get onboard and live harmoniously for 40 days without eating each other, but they can't wrap their heads around evolution.

So..... you believe trying to look like a backstreet boy at 50 is cool. Doesn't make it true just because you believe it.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

So..... you believe trying to look like a backstreet boy at 50 is cool. Doesn't make it true just because you believe it.

[NewbieJr 541]

So..... you believe trying to look like a backstreet boy at 50 is cool. Doesn't make it true just because you believe it.

Awwww. You and RP are precious. Like a little team. You tell a predictable, unfunny joke and the laptog chimes in with a laughie face. You're like the Smothers Brothers. Only dumber.

[drobeski 3,061]

Awwww. You and RP are precious. Like a little team. You tell a predictable, unfunny joke and the laptog chimes in with a laughie face. You're like the Smothers Brothers. Only dumber.

Just trying to help bud its not cool and I can't imagine the embarrassment your daughter suffers when her friends have to see you. That's pretty selfish you know

[NewbieJr 541]

Just trying to help bud its not cool and I can't imagine the embarrassment your daughter suffers when her friends have to see you. That's pretty selfish you know

Wearing jeans and a t-shirt is trying to look like a Backstreet Boy? Sorry, I'll acquire a big beer belly and wear a Tom Brady jersey everywhere I go like the cool dudes do. My dauhter will be brimming with pride.

[drobeski 3,061]

Wearing jeans and a t-shirt is trying to look like a Backstreet Boy? Sorry, I'll acquire a big beer belly and wear a Tom Brady jersey everywhere I go like the cool dudes do. My dauhter will be brimming with pride.

See, that wasn't so hard

[NewbieJr 541]

See, that wasn't so hard

Where do you get your cool old-guy jeans? JC Penney? I want to be like you. Did you switch to the sneakers with just the two big velcro straps yet?

[Little Rusty 19]

Evolution theory destroyed.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr8oMOtGo3E&feature=youtu.be

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Where do you get your cool old-guy jeans?

 

He prolly gets them 2 departments over from the kids dept where you get your cool T-shirts.

[NewbieJr 541]

He prolly gets them 2 departments over from the kids dept where you get your cool T-shirts.

It would have to be a pretty damn big kid.

[penultimatestraw 473]

If God is a benevolent creator, how do you explain RP? Come to think of it, evolution doesn't explain him either.

[DankNuggs 305]

The world is at least 200 years old.

"What is this, a center for ANTS! It must be........THREE TIMES BIGGER"

[Gepetto 1,454]

Yeah, "Did you know that religion can't prove any of these things either."

 

I don't have a problem with people having faith in God and believing that God caused all of these things to happen. I just don't get why they would be so threatened by the Theory of Evolution. Isn't it possible both could be true?

 

I saw a cool show last night about Burmese pythons and how they are thriving in the Florida Everglades. They dissected a couple of pythons. One interesting part of the python's anatomy is that it still has vestigial remnants of back legs. So it appears that at one time pythons were lizards, but as they evolved to have longer and longer spines their legs became unnecessary.

 

Also, pythons are the only snake that will kill and eat a human ... the big ones will also sometimes eat full-grown gators

 

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/01/26/satan-the-fall-good-evil-did-serpent-have-legs

 

Perhaps one of the most-asked and most-debated topics is the serpent’s original appearance. The model of the serpent here at the Answers in Genesis Creation Museum exhibit just outside of Cincinnati, Ohio, is pictured below to consider.

 

What Does the Bible Say?

 

Even the question of legs on the serpent is one with varying speculation. Consider the biblical text to see what it says of the serpent:

 

 

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

 

And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’”

 

Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:1–5)

 

And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

 

So the LORD God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field; on your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.” (Genesis 3:13–15)

 

When looking at Genesis 3:13–15, there is no direct indication that the serpent had legs, only that its curse would be “on your belly you shall go.” But in Genesis 3:1, we get a clue that the serpent was likely classified as a beast of the field, which is probably why beasts of the field were also mentioned in 3:14.1

 

What makes this an issue is that it was a land animal and/or flying reptile in general—hence, it moved by flying, slithering, or with appendages. If it slithered already, what was the point of the curse and why compare it to creatures which had legs in Genesis 3:14?

 

Regardless if it was a beast of the field, the serpent was indeed a land animal and capable of locomotion in the Garden of Eden and in the field. Let’s evaluate forms of locomotion to see the possibilities.

 

Locomotion

 

Land animals are currently known to have three classes of locomotion.2 They are

1.Legged (or some form of appendages)

2.Slithering

3.Rolling

 

Beasts of the field, and virtually all land animals, use leg(s) to move, from cattle as a quadruped to inch worms, which use two grabbing spots on their body to inch along. Of course, snakes and legless lizards slither.

 

The other means of locomotion is rolling. Few creatures today roll, and of these creatures, the rolling is only temporary. The primary means is using gravity and balling up to roll down a hill, like a web-toed salamander or a Namib wheeling spider.

 

Few land animals have a self-powered rolling mechanism. There are two that come to mind, mother-of-pearl moth caterpillar stage and the Pangolins both use a leg(s) and/or tail with which to push. But even these rolling creatures use some form of appendage or leg; so, arguably, there are really only two types of locomotion found among animals today: slithering or legged.

 

Was there some other form of locomotion among creatures that are now extinct? Without further research, there is no certain answer.

 

As for the possibility of wings, this can’t be entirely ruled out either. But if so, then the serpent had some form of locomotion other than slithering and some form of appendage that physically changed forms.

 

Hebrew and Greek

 

The Hebrew word for serpent is nachash, and the Greek equivalent is ophis. It means “snake, serpent, sly, cunning, and image of a serpent.” The late Dr. Henry Morris says of the Hebrew word:

 

There has been much speculation as to whether the serpent originally was able to stand upright (the Hebrew word nachash, some maintain, originally meant “shining, upright creature”).3

 

Although, this speculated meaning may have been deduced from Genesis 3:14 regarding the serpent being forced to crawl on its belly, this doesn’t really help us ascertain if the serpent had legs or not.

[JackARoot 2]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/01/26/satan-the-fall-good-evil-did-serpent-have-legs

 

Perhaps one of the most-asked and most-debated topics is the serpent’s original appearance. The model of the serpent here at the Answers in Genesis Creation Museum exhibit just outside of Cincinnati, Ohio, is pictured below to consider.

 

What Does the Bible Say?

 

Even the question of legs on the serpent is one with varying speculation. Consider the biblical text to see what it says of the serpent:

 

 

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

 

And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’”

 

Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:1–5)

 

And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

 

So the LORD God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field; on your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.” (Genesis 3:13–15)

 

When looking at Genesis 3:13–15, there is no direct indication that the serpent had legs, only that its curse would be “on your belly you shall go.” But in Genesis 3:1, we get a clue that the serpent was likely classified as a beast of the field, which is probably why beasts of the field were also mentioned in 3:14.1

 

What makes this an issue is that it was a land animal and/or flying reptile in general—hence, it moved by flying, slithering, or with appendages. If it slithered already, what was the point of the curse and why compare it to creatures which had legs in Genesis 3:14?

 

Regardless if it was a beast of the field, the serpent was indeed a land animal and capable of locomotion in the Garden of Eden and in the field. Let’s evaluate forms of locomotion to see the possibilities.

 

Locomotion

 

Land animals are currently known to have three classes of locomotion.2 They are

1.Legged (or some form of appendages)

2.Slithering

3.Rolling

 

Beasts of the field, and virtually all land animals, use leg(s) to move, from cattle as a quadruped to inch worms, which use two grabbing spots on their body to inch along. Of course, snakes and legless lizards slither.

 

The other means of locomotion is rolling. Few creatures today roll, and of these creatures, the rolling is only temporary. The primary means is using gravity and balling up to roll down a hill, like a web-toed salamander or a Namib wheeling spider.

 

Few land animals have a self-powered rolling mechanism. There are two that come to mind, mother-of-pearl moth caterpillar stage and the Pangolins both use a leg(s) and/or tail with which to push. But even these rolling creatures use some form of appendage or leg; so, arguably, there are really only two types of locomotion found among animals today: slithering or legged.

 

Was there some other form of locomotion among creatures that are now extinct? Without further research, there is no certain answer.

 

As for the possibility of wings, this can’t be entirely ruled out either. But if so, then the serpent had some form of locomotion other than slithering and some form of appendage that physically changed forms.

 

Hebrew and Greek

 

The Hebrew word for serpent is nachash, and the Greek equivalent is ophis. It means “snake, serpent, sly, cunning, and image of a serpent.” The late Dr. Henry Morris says of the Hebrew word:

 

There has been much speculation as to whether the serpent originally was able to stand upright (the Hebrew word nachash, some maintain, originally meant “shining, upright creature”).3

 

Although, this speculated meaning may have been deduced from Genesis 3:14 regarding the serpent being forced to crawl on its belly, this doesn’t really help us ascertain if the serpent had legs or not.

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