Do you prefer ppr or non ppr and why?

[vash1012 19]

I have only played in a ppr league once. Personally I prefer non-ppr as a PPR league doesn't seem to translate into a meaningful score as well since it can overvalue RBs or WR who get a ton of catches but not neccessarily produce on the field. RBs are a little strong in non-ppr, but since there are so few bell cows nowadays it isnt quite as bad as it used to be. Running QBs I think are the most overvalued in non-ppr (assuming 4 pts per passing TD) or elite QBs in general if you get 6 points per passing TD. Why do you prefer ppr or non-ppr and is there are limit to points per reception before it starts becoming silly?

[Stewburtx8 67]

I've been playing in multiple PPR leagues for about 8+ years now (played all non-PPR before that) and I am definitely heavily partial to PPR. I just think it adds a much more fun and exciting element to the scoring and puts WR's and TE's more on par with RB's.

 

I also am mostly in leagues with full PPR, 6 point all TD's, and multiple flex positions. I think this adds alot more excitement and variance to the draft. You can start multiple different lineup combinations:

 

2 RB, 3 WR, TE

1 RB, 4 WR, TE

3 RB, 2 WR, TE

2 RB, 2 WR, 2 TE

1 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE

3 RB, 1 WR, 2 TE

 

I just think this gives everyone an incredible amount of flexibility in the draft and makes the draft much less cookie cutter. Just my personal opinion...but standard scoring/standard lineups has sort of become "boring" to me. I rarely even join those leagues anymore.

[RoadLizard 73]

I feel scoring in general is getting out of hand in FF. Maybe because Ive been doing it longer than some people and got used to only using more basic scoring systems. Its just that, well, these leagues gives points for everything and anything in an attempt to boost the value of crapy players. It does boost their value - but guess what? The studa get an even bigger boost since they catch passes too! Plus, a catch isnt exactly a game-changing event unless its a truly clutch grab for a late TD or whatever. Even then, youd get credit for the TD.

 

Its just absurd when final scores are like 217.885 to 213.990. Is this calculus or fantasy football?

 

I say getting points for yardage and scores should be it. Maybe a bonus point or something for getting 3 catches or 5 catches. But a Point per catch? Meh.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I feel scoring in general is getting out of hand in FF. Maybe because Ive been doing it longer than some people and got used to only using more basic scoring systems. Its just that, well, these leagues gives points for everything and anything in an attempt to boost the value of crapy players. It does boost their value - but guess what? The studa get an even bigger boost since they catch passes too! Plus, a catch isnt exactly a game-changing event unless its a truly clutch grab for a late TD or whatever. Even then, youd get credit for the TD.

 

Its just absurd when final scores are like 217.885 to 213.990. Is this calculus or fantasy football?

 

I say getting points for yardage and scores should be it. Maybe a bonus point or something for getting 3 catches or 5 catches. But a Point per catch? Meh.

 

 

I'm with you, and sort of fondly remember when people would win fantasy weeks with a score of 37-35. Now most leagues I'm playing in if you don't score 140 pts, you're going to lose. I personally like the PPR format because it levels the playing field. In my experience the guys getting high draft picks had a tremendous advantage @ the RB spot. Some of that has changed since the days of the 300 carry RB are gone. The top RB's are still a pretty big advantage, but it turns guys like Sproles into a legimate RB option. Welker becomes a #1 WR where he probably is a border line #2 in traditional scoring. I think it give you extra flexibility and options.

[truebigdog 0]

Put me in the middle, as I like .5 ppr.

[Fantasy Noob 10]

I like ppr, as has been stated it evens the field out a bit for snake style drafts.

 

I like the variety of leagues now but I would avoid the weird ones like 2QB and 1.5ppr for TE's only, and I find the individual defensive players too random and not as much fun. But I am a crochety old man.

 

The high scores are odd but since it is almost 99.999% on computers I don't really get the complaint. If your old school just move the decimal over one spot and voila right back in the olden days. Seriously we need an old crochety man emote, or maybe a cane to wave at the youngsters!

[Larry David 20]

Why should a guy with 40 yards on three catches get more points than a guy with one catch for 50 yards? At the end of the day, it's all about yardage and points scored. No PPR for me.

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

Catches are production. Player made a play plain and simple.

 

Ppr with 1 flex is great. It makes for interesting lineup and draft decisions. Otherwise Qb and workhorse RB would be all that mattered

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

Why should a guy with 40 yards on three catches get more points than a guy with one catch for 50 yards? At the end of the day, it's all about yardage and points scored. No PPR for me.

 

And why should the 1 catch 50 yard guy be more rewarded because the coach or Qb called a deep ball? If.the 40 yard guy had to work 3 times more for his yardage but ended up with less yards, is it his fault? He doesn't call the plays. I think its nice to be rewarded, in a sense, for the amount of plays you made as well.

[kmbryant09 1]

I just don't understand the hate directed at PPR leagues - saying that rewarding players for catches is a cheap tactic that overvalues RB's & WR's.

 

First off, name one player that has ever caught a decent amount of passes (60+ in a season), without making an impact for his team? It's not like there are a handful of WR's who catch 75 passes for 300 yards and 0 TD's. Catches nearly always translate to stats, and an overall impact for a player's team.

 

Players like Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Austin Collie who rack up a ton of catches at a lower yards-per-catch rate are still very valuable to their team. Wes Welker probably converts more 3rd downs than Calvin Johnson.

 

As far as overvaluing RB's & WR's, that's simple. Either go with 1/2 PPR, or inflate QB stats (like they need them) - maybe 5 points per TD, if you really want to level the playing field.

 

Touchdowns are so hit or miss, much more so than receptions are. Amendola can catch 9 passes for 100 yards, and only earn as many points as a 4th stringer who catches a 40-yard TD pass at the end of the game. Doesn't seem right to me.

[bigmark3333 11]

Put me in the middle, as I like .5 ppr.

 

Same here, creates a reasonable balance between adding value for possession type receivers and receiving backs (who are valuable in real play), while not overdoing it.

[Hawkfin 32]

Same here, creates a reasonable balance between adding value for possession type receivers and receiving backs (who are valuable in real play), while not overdoing it.

I play both - I voted for PPR.

I probably would agree .5 PPR might be the best of both, however I've never played that.

 

I think Non-PPR downgrades wides to much, and makes for RB W hore leagues basically. Seems to me RB/QB dominate this type of league. Plus takes away about half the specialty RB's that make that position deep.

(i.e. Sproles, R. Bush, etc.)

 

This then really makes the league a little boring to me and with everybody drafting the top tier RB's studs, which will then have so much more advantage over the later round scat back RB's.

 

Where PPR really shifts things. WR's are as valuable or more so. And the RB's go deeper and different aspects of a receiving back or a Turner every down back, TE's improve - Which also effects the QB's from being so dominate.

To me it's more fun and harder to win... Non-PPR seems like a no-brainer draft strategy for the most part.

 

My .02

[Thurman 0]

I voted non ppr. Ppr leages really pump up the value of players that don't belong in the top. Scrubs like Danny Amendola will be pretty valuable in ppr leagues and don't deserve it.

[travis_henrys_baby_momma 10]

PPR is stupid. Why should someone score anything for simply catching the ball? Hey that was a great screen pass that netted -4 yards.....here's .5pt for you tiger.

[Larry David 20]

And why should the 1 catch 50 yard guy be more rewarded because the coach or Qb called a deep ball? If.the 40 yard guy had to work 3 times more for his yardage but ended up with less yards, is it his fault? He doesn't call the plays. I think its nice to be rewarded, in a sense, for the amount of plays you made as well.

Does the MVP of the Super Bowl go to the guy who worked the hardest during the game or the guy who performed the best? It's all about results so the guy with 50 yards receiving helped his team more than the guy with 40. How hard either one had to work is irrelevant. Travis Henry's Baby Momma brought up another good point...why should a player be rewarded for a catch with negative yardage?

[The Next Generation 10]

@ all the people who think FF is like real football. It's FANTASY so assigning a PPR or whatever is totally fine if that's what the league wants to do. If you want 2 QBs to start in your league, so be it...it's FANTASY....

[Stewburtx8 67]

What works for one league does not work for others. I personally enjoy PPR leagues much more than non-PPR leagues. BUT I would never knock non-PPR leagues. For some reason some people think they are some kind of fantasy football "purist" and have to constantly point out that PPR is somehow stupid. No, it creates faster paced, higher scoring games. It makes the draft, waiver wire, and flex positions much more interesting IN MY OPINION. But if your league prefers to stick with non-PPR, then so be it. Neither answer is wrong. It's just a personal preference.

[kmbryant09 1]

Does the MVP of the Super Bowl go to the guy who worked the hardest during the game or the guy who performed the best? It's all about results so the guy with 50 yards receiving helped his team more than the guy with 40. How hard either one had to work is irrelevant. Travis Henry's Baby Momma brought up another good point...why should a player be rewarded for a catch with negative yardage?

Really?

 

Give me a WR who catches 6 8-yard passes on 3rd and 7 over a WR who scores a 50 yard bomb 3 times a year.

 

This whole argument that catches don't mean anything is garbage. I'm guessing that at least 75% of completions go for at least 5 yards. Quit using a -4 yard completion as an example, that happens once a game. What about the 8-yard catch on 3rd & 7. What about a handful of underneath catches that set up the big play late in the game. What about the RB releasing into the flat to catch a 4 yard pass as a pressure outlet be4 the QB gets sacked.

[Runningriot1966 6]

I'm in two leagues and we do .25 and .33 and I love the setup.

[L_O_D 1]

PPR.

 

Back in the day, when we were creating the scoring rules ourselves, my buddies and I always had one simple axiom: the #1QB, the #1RB and the #1 WR should all score the same amount of points if they have great days/seasons at their position. Our thought was that a QB who throws 300/2,a RB who rushes for 100/1 and a WR who receives for 100/1 should all score roughly the same amount of points. Why should a RB score more than a WR? Or a QB? You get the picture - PPR allows you to do that beautifully IMO. Just back into the math to come up with the scoring rules.

 

I believe 1 is the right number for a catch, 4 for a pass td, 25 for pass yards and a snake redraft every year.

 

Is this a nutbag way of thinking of this?

[L_O_D 1]

@ all the people who think FF is like real football. It's FANTASY so assigning a PPR or whatever is totally fine if that's what the league wants to do. If you want 2 QBs to start in your league, so be it...it's FANTASY....

Agreed. In fact, at the risk of sounding like a heretic, I am to the point where I could give up K and D as well. What is the point? Especially kicker. If a starter is getting selected after reserves (K/D all the time), why do you need that starter? Draft more skill positions.

 

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[msudavedawg 5]

PPR all the way. Played standard scoring for years but found PPR much more fun. Balances out the scoring and adds whole new wrinkles to drafts and weekly strategies. Trying to convert my one league that is still doing standard.

[travis_henrys_baby_momma 10]

AND....RB's should get a point per handoff.....perhaps 1.5 points per lateral.

 

[jerryskids 6,790]

I'm with you, and sort of fondly remember when people would win fantasy weeks with a score of 37-35. Now most leagues I'm playing in if you don't score 140 pts, you're going to lose. I personally like the PPR format because it levels the playing field. In my experience the guys getting high draft picks had a tremendous advantage @ the RB spot. Some of that has changed since the days of the 300 carry RB are gone. The top RB's are still a pretty big advantage, but it turns guys like Sproles into a legimate RB option. Welker becomes a #1 WR where he probably is a border line #2 in traditional scoring. I think it give you extra flexibility and options.

 

This.

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

Does the MVP of the Super Bowl go to the guy who worked the hardest during the game or the guy who performed the best? It's all about results so the guy with 50 yards receiving helped his team more than the guy with 40. How hard either one had to work is irrelevant. Travis Henry's Baby Momma brought up another good point...why should a player be rewarded for a catch with negative yardage?

 

a catch is a catch is my point. it takes skill to catch the ball when your number is called. WR's get frowned on for drops all the time.

 

to your super bowl MVP point, a guy who catches one 90 yard pass for a TD is not going to be the MVP over a guy who caught 10 balls for 80 yards and a score. Volume matters. Amount of plays made (in this case catches) matters.

[Lion Fan 0]

Im the commish I'm my league and at the end of each of the last 2 seasons I re-ran the seasons as if we rewarded 1 ppr....and it did NOT effect the outcome of one game. So, I guess in my league it doesn't matter. FYI its a 10 team standard scoring setup.

 

But since you asked why...I think if you're rewarding for yardage....that is the "credit" for the reception..therefore I dont see the need to further benifit a guy for a 1 yard catch. .1 points is fair (IMO).

[ian Potter 9]

Prefer PPR. Find it changes the draft dramatically and there are more opportunities to get people at a great value. I understand both points of view. However, a WR like VJax who typically scores a handful of TD's with limited receptions is no more valuable than a guy like Welker/Amendola that are converting 2-3 third downs a game that sustain a drive to allow someone else to score a TD. It's like saying Jamal Charles is of no value because he scores zero TD'S when the guy averages 5-6 yards a carry and will get you 90 yards on 12-15 touches. Both players have huge values to their team whether their putting points on the scoreboard or not. Hard to argue a guy like Welker is less valuable than a guy that scores TDs; it's just less likely that he is going to transform the outcome of the game with one play.

 

I do think the bonuses for 100+ yards and what not are excessive but to each his own. It all basically evens out in the end; with the exception that certain players will score an additional 20-30 points on the year. In the end all your really doing is inflating the scores with these bonus values.

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

Im the commish I'm my league and at the end of each of the last 2 seasons I re-ran the seasons as if we rewarded 1 ppr....and it did NOT effect the outcome of one game. So, I guess in my league it doesn't matter. FYI its a 10 team standard scoring setup.

 

But since you asked why...I think if you're rewarding for yardage....that is the "credit" for the reception..therefore I dont see the need to further benifit a guy for a 1 yard catch. .1 points is fair (IMO).

 

i always found that especially in a flex league, non PPR had everyone drafting RB's and there was simply no added strategy. you drafted RB and QB early on and barely touched WR's. Lineups always had 3 RB unless you were very weak at the position.

 

now yes, the best RB's catch passes too but PPR adds value to WR's and adds a wrinkle to drafts and lineups.

[RSersen 0]

Put me in the middle, as I like .5 ppr.

 

Agreed. My league does .5 PPR for WR/TE, no PPR for RB. Looking at last year's top 5 from both positions in that format, it evens things out a good bit:

 

1. RB Rice (293) WR Calvin (312)

2. RB McCoy (274) WR Welker (273)

3. RB MJD (251) WR Nelson (260)

4. RB Foster (250) WR Cruz (253)

5. RB Turner (211) WR Fitz (225)

[We Tigers 71]

I'll join the .5 PPR chorus, but will take PPR over standard any day. 2RB/2WR/flex is a great .5 PPR setup, and you can do 3 WRs and a flex, too. It just brings the scoring for WRs much closer to RBs, and helps somewhat mitigate the decline of the stud RB. It also makes larger leagues, like 14 or 16 teams, much more manageable.

[travis_henrys_baby_momma 10]

Agreed. My league does .5 PPR for WR/TE, no PPR for RB. Looking at last year's top 5 from both positions in that format, it evens things out a good bit:

 

1. RB Rice (293) WR Calvin (312)

2. RB McCoy (274) WR Welker (273)

3. RB MJD (251) WR Nelson (260)

4. RB Foster (250) WR Cruz (253)

5. RB Turner (211) WR Fitz (225)

 

This is even more ridiculous than regular PPR. To think those RBs were outscored by those WRs is silly.

 

So....when Ray Rice pulls off a play action fake....then picks up a blitzing LB....then slips forward in the pocket or to the outside and catches a screen pass....he doesn't get any PPR points?! WTF. What he did is magnitudes more impressive than catching your typical WR/TE pass where everything is schemed and the QB puts it right in your hands.

[The Next Generation 10]

This is even more ridiculous than regular PPR. To think those RBs were outscored by those WRs is silly.

 

So....when Ray Rice pulls off a play action fake....then picks up a blitzing LB....then slips forward in the pocket or to the outside and catches a screen pass....he doesn't get any PPR points?! WTF. What he did is magnitudes more impressive than catching your typical WR/TE pass where everything is schemed and the QB puts it right in your hands.

 

Who gives a rats ass what is more beneficial to his NFL team? That is NOT fantasy football. Fantasy football is a fun game where we take players/stats from the NFL and use them for our amusement/gambling fix. If it amuses one league to give PPR pts to WR/TEs and not RBs than so be it. I guarantee you they're having more fun at this game of FANTASY football than you are worrying about such nonsense.

[kmbryant09 1]

This is even more ridiculous than regular PPR. To think those RBs were outscored by those WRs is silly.

 

So....when Ray Rice pulls off a play action fake....then picks up a blitzing LB....then slips forward in the pocket or to the outside and catches a screen pass....he doesn't get any PPR points?! WTF. What he did is magnitudes more impressive than catching your typical WR/TE pass where everything is schemed and the QB puts it right in your hands.

Yeah, pulling off a play fake takes plenty of skill as a RB

[shorepatrol 1,870]

Catches are production. Player made a play plain and simple.

 

Ppr with 1 flex is great. It makes for interesting lineup and draft decisions. Otherwise Qb and workhorse RB would be all that mattered

 

 

Well said, agreed