Tony Romo Bashers - Where Are Ya?

[tikigods 76]

Here to take my lumps - damn you Romo for letting me down. Oh well - next year (right?)

 

I'll give you credit for showing up after the ass rape you took in this thread.

[cbfalcon 825]

The year Dallas went 13-3 and lost to the Giants in the 2nd round, Romo won that game for Dallas. But Patrick Crayton dropped a ball and stopped on another route, both of which would have ended the game. They would have beat the Packers the next week and faced the 18-0 Patriots. Then who knows. But it's crazy how Patrick Crayton changed the course of a guys career, and nobody except those paying attention even know about it.

 

I know Romo has the highest 4th quarter QB Rating in NFL history. I read last week a stat that in 18 games against the top 6 QBs in football, Romo had a higher rating than his opposition is 12 of 18. But Dallas went 4-14 in those games.

 

The guy is amazing. There are only a handful of QBs in football I would rather have. But his team has just been terrible. This year for instance, behind that line, the only QB I would have rather had was Aaron Rodgers. Manning for instance would have had his neck broken in week 3.

 

All that being said, Newbie won this thread. Romo sucked balls this week in a giant game. Now I would argue that after starting 3-5, Dallas just played 8 do or die type of games. And Romo kicked ass in 6 or 7 of them. But he played horrible this week. I don't care if he had broken ribs. It was a bad game at a bad time. And now the Romo haters have their material for another offseason.

 

But he is a top 5 QB. Give him Denver's roster and they are 13-3. Give him Eli's roster and he has 2 rings. Stick him on the Ravens and the Ravens would have played in multiple Super Bowls on recent years.

 

But I fear he will never get a chance to prove it. Because his GM sucks at building teams.

[TheUsualSuspect 207]

Yes. Dan Marino.

+1

 

And, Warren Moon.

[Serpent 51]

The year Dallas went 13-3 and lost to the Giants in the 2nd round, Romo won that game for Dallas. But Patrick Crayton dropped a ball and stopped on another route, both of which would have ended the game. They would have beat the Packers the next week and faced the 18-0 Patriots. Then who knows. But it's crazy how Patrick Crayton changed the course of a guys career, and nobody except those paying attention even know about it.

 

I know Romo has the highest 4th quarter QB Rating in NFL history. I read last week a stat that in 18 games against the top 6 QBs in football, Romo had a higher rating than his opposition is 12 of 18. But Dallas went 4-14 in those games.

 

The guy is amazing. There are only a handful of QBs in football I would rather have. But his team has just been terrible. This year for instance, behind that line, the only QB I would have rather had was Aaron Rodgers. Manning for instance would have had his neck broken in week 3.

 

All that being said, Newbie won this thread. Romo sucked balls this week in a giant game. Now I would argue that after starting 3-5, Dallas just played 8 do or die type of games. And Romo kicked ass in 6 or 7 of them. But he played horrible this week. I don't care if he had broken ribs. It was a bad game at a bad time. And now the Romo haters have their material for another offseason.

 

But he is a top 5 QB. Give him Denver's roster and they are 13-3. Give him Eli's roster and he has 2 rings. Stick him on the Ravens and the Ravens would have played in multiple Super Bowls on recent years.

 

But I fear he will never get a chance to prove it. Because his GM sucks at building teams.

 

Go look up Tim Tebow's 4th quarter rating last year. Now go look up Jay Cutler's this year (I believe he is actually the leader, and Romo is 6th after his debacle Sunday---Cutler had a really high one the first half of the season and led the league easily).

 

Point is the QB rating thing changes year to year and it doesn't seem a good indicator of QB play at all. Sure you get guys like Rodgers, Brady and Peyton up there in the top 5, but you also get Tebow, Cutler and Flacco in the top 5s. Heck I think even Sanchez his first 2 years in the league was consistently putting up high 4th quarter QB ratings.

 

As for total comebacks, Peyton's the leader by far, and Eli has more than Romo too.

 

Sorry Romo is not a top 5 QB, and when it's a big game he becomes a bottom 5 QB. Romo generally will finish seasons with gaudy stats which would help people in fantasy, except he stinks the first half of seasons usually, and if you're going to just go for half a season Cam Newton generally does it better anyway, or some other random QB that gets hot (Freeman for awhile as well). It's too hard to predict it and then have that player though, and generally giving up 7-8 games of the fantasy season to start off isn't the best strategy.

 

Romo doesn't have the SB wins and you can't just claim he would have them. The guys that do have them, you can't take that away, especially multiple SB wins. There is no way Romo should be ranked ahead of Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rodgers, Eli or Rapistberger. These guys all have rings, some with multiple rings. They've faced pressure situations and managed to get their teams over the hump, and these guys have had bottom ranked rushing attacks and defenses too at times, Eli and Brady are well known for those poor team rankings around them just last year. You can't say those other guys necessarily have better O-lines or targets to throw to either, or even players to hand off to. Romo has enough talent, both for him and around him, that you just can't excuse his failings in big spots. And that does mean something, especially when you're arguing about who would win an SB.

 

I sooner believe those QBs would have won SBs with the Romo Cowboys teams than he would with their SB winning teams.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Mr. cbfalcon is guilty of what all Cowboy fans and most media pundits are guilty of, overvaluing players who happen to have a star on their helmet. Right now, from a skill player perspective, there really is only a couple of Cowboys players who are even upper echelon at their respective positions. Dez Bryant really came on in the 2nd half of the season and has entered the discussion of the better WR's in the league, and Jason Witten is as steady and consistent as they come at TE. Beyond that, Romo might be a top 9-12 QB, but will always get knocked because he doesn't win the big games. Murray is talented but can't stay healthy. Miles Austin has one good season and has the same fragile label that Murray has gotten. The third WR spot is a pit. The defense, despite moving up in the draft and signing the biggest CB free agent this past year in Carr actually regressed over the 2nd half of the season. There simply isn't enough talent on the roster to overcome the mistakes that Romo will consistently make in high-pressure situations. If the team could get a 10 pt lead and sit on it with a run game and dink-n-dunk passing, Romo would probably be a good little game manager. But the team, and specifically the coaching, doesn't recognize that.

[sirensong 111]

The defense, despite moving up in the draft and signing the biggest CB free agent this past year in Carr actually regressed over the 2nd half of the season.

 

they did indeed regress. that's what losing your stud NT, starting DE, stud ILB, other starting ILB, starting SS, and slot corner will do. it's hard not to regress when your entire interior defense is manned by the practice squad and guys who weren't even in the league two months ago.

 

but thanks for helping explode the myth that "romo is surrounded by talent". people can't use that BS anymore.

[Gepetto 1,367]

they did indeed regress. that's what losing your stud NT, starting DE, stud ILB, other starting ILB, starting SS, and slot corner will do. it's hard not to regress when your entire interior defense is manned by the practice squad and guys who weren't even in the league two months ago.

 

but thanks for helping explode the myth that "romo is surrounded by talent". people can't use that BS anymore.

 

 

[mobb_deep 920]

they did indeed regress. that's what losing your stud NT, starting DE, stud ILB, other starting ILB, starting SS, and slot corner will do. it's hard not to regress when your entire interior defense is manned by the practice squad and guys who weren't even in the league two months ago.

 

but thanks for helping explode the myth that "romo is surrounded by talent". people can't use that BS anymore.

 

Every team has injuries.

 

Romo's problem is he's gay for his team mates. He represents a small sample size of a larger queer Texass. Steers and queers and cbfalcons.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Every team has injuries.

 

Romo's problem is he's gay for his team mates. He represents a small sample size of a larger queer Texass. Steers and queers and cbfalcons.

:old5thgradehumoriswhatisreallygay:

[cbfalcon 825]

Mr. cbfalcon is guilty of what all Cowboy fans and most media pundits are guilty of, overvaluing players who happen to have a star on their helmet.

 

I'm normally the opposite. The Cowboy fans you speak of, I work with them daily. And they are always angry at me for not being a good fan. Why? Because I am quick to say someone sucks when they suck. I'm actually somewhat considered to be a Cowboy hater, although that's not true. I do root for them.

 

My opinions of Romo are based on watching every single game of his career start to finish. I've been hard on Romo at times, and he deserves to be ripped this week as he lost that last game no doubt. It's on him.

 

There may be something to the choking thing. But I've also seen him outplay his counterpart in these games and watched teammates lose it for him repeatedly. But those losses are considered Romo choke jobs. It's short sighted, but people like their narratives. It keeps things simpler for them I guess. That way they don't have to actually pay attention and observe for themselves.

 

In short, my opinions are based on watching 100+ Tony Romo starts. Not a game here and a game there. Of course I can't claim he is a top QB based on resume. But I completely believe that all things being equal he is more capable than all except the very very best.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I'm normally the opposite. The Cowboy fans you speak of, I work with them daily. And they are always angry at me for not being a good fan. Why? Because I am quick to say someone sucks when they suck. I'm actually somewhat considered to be a Cowboy hater, although that's not true. I do root for them.

 

My opinions of Romo are based on watching every single game of his career start to finish. I've been hard on Romo at times, and he deserves to be ripped this week as he lost that last game no doubt. It's on him.

 

There may be something to the choking thing. But I've also seen him outplay his counterpart in these games and watched teammates lose it for him repeatedly. But those losses are considered Romo choke jobs. It's short sighted, but people like their narratives. It keeps things simpler for them I guess. That way they don't have to actually pay attention and observe for themselves.

 

In short, my opinions are based on watching 100+ Tony Romo starts. Not a game here and a game there. Of course I can't claim he is a top QB based on resume. But I completely believe that all things being equal he is more capable than all except the very very best.

 

As a Steeler fan who started a thread about the Steelers issues this year, I can respect this.

[Serpent 51]

I'm normally the opposite. The Cowboy fans you speak of, I work with them daily. And they are always angry at me for not being a good fan. Why? Because I am quick to say someone sucks when they suck. I'm actually somewhat considered to be a Cowboy hater, although that's not true. I do root for them.

 

My opinions of Romo are based on watching every single game of his career start to finish. I've been hard on Romo at times, and he deserves to be ripped this week as he lost that last game no doubt. It's on him.

 

There may be something to the choking thing. But I've also seen him outplay his counterpart in these games and watched teammates lose it for him repeatedly. But those losses are considered Romo choke jobs. It's short sighted, but people like their narratives. It keeps things simpler for them I guess. That way they don't have to actually pay attention and observe for themselves.

 

In short, my opinions are based on watching 100+ Tony Romo starts. Not a game here and a game there. Of course I can't claim he is a top QB based on resume. But I completely believe that all things being equal he is more capable than all except the very very best.

 

lol Sunday was a complete choke job man. Those were 3 of the most epically bad INTs in a big game situation I've seen. Look nobody thinks he is Sanchez level bad. No one will accuse a guy like Ponder of choking because we know he sucks. Even Cutler gets a sort of pass, see people expect him to screw up.

 

Romo catches heat because outside of big games he does do well, he finished with glitzy top 5 caliber stats. But he bungles around too much and has never put together that signature championship run that removes you from criticism. You only have to do it once. Peyton was a known choker and probably will choke himself out of the playoffs this year too, but you can't criticize a guy with a ring because he's done it already.

 

That game on Sunday was hilarious. The story was set up and Romo bungled it away. RGIII is clearly gimped and was struggling like hell out there, but history will remember him as doing enough to win. No INTs is all he needed because Romo DID throw INTs. Turnovers aren't always the difference but they are an extremely high level correlation with winning. It's tough to win big games, everyone knows that, Romo is just remembered for some very poor decisions and chokes and keeps doing it right now. He's in good company but he has indeed outdone everyone else I've seen. It can change, but everytime he does what he just did you HAVE to laugh at it.

[p00h 85]

I'm normally the opposite. The Cowboy fans you speak of, I work with them daily. And they are always angry at me for not being a good fan. Why? Because I am quick to say someone sucks when they suck. I'm actually somewhat considered to be a Cowboy hater, although that's not true. I do root for them.

 

My opinions of Romo are based on watching every single game of his career start to finish. I've been hard on Romo at times, and he deserves to be ripped this week as he lost that last game no doubt. It's on him.

 

There may be something to the choking thing. But I've also seen him outplay his counterpart in these games and watched teammates lose it for him repeatedly. But those losses are considered Romo choke jobs. It's short sighted, but people like their narratives. It keeps things simpler for them I guess. That way they don't have to actually pay attention and observe for themselves.

 

In short, my opinions are based on watching 100+ Tony Romo starts. Not a game here and a game there. Of course I can't claim he is a top QB based on resume. But I completely believe that all things being equal he is more capable than all except the very very best.

 

 

pay attention and see what for themselves, see him throw pick after pick? See him fumble away the hold on a kick, and then ALMOST run it in but get caught. Dude is a choke machine on the big stage, if you can't see that then you're blinded by your fandom. I'm a jets fan and have been vocal about sanchez since the day they drafted him. While his teammates might have choked away some games that Romo got blamed for(part of being a qb btw, all blame goes on you, same as a lot of credit goes on you, sometimes undeservingly), he's choked away major games at major stages of his career, often times on the national stage. That is FACT. Dude is classic blue balls. Has the talent, but can't get it together. I'll give you this, the organization has established a culture of mediocrity and clowndom, which certainly doesn't help him. I'm sure with a coach like BB or someone else strong willed, and with an org that has a culture of winning and not clowning around, he'd likely have better results than he does with the boys, I'll give him that much. The combination of all that, combined with the delusions of cowboys nation, does make for a hilarious clown show though. For that we salute you!

[cbfalcon 825]

lol Sunday was a complete choke job man. Those were 3 of the most epically bad INTs in a big game situation I've seen. Look nobody thinks he is Sanchez level bad. No one will accuse a guy like Ponder of choking because we know he sucks. Even Cutler gets a sort of pass, see people expect him to screw up.

 

Romo catches heat because outside of big games he does do well, he finished with glitzy top 5 caliber stats. But he bungles around too much and has never put together that signature championship run that removes you from criticism. You only have to do it once. Peyton was a known choker and probably will choke himself out of the playoffs this year too, but you can't criticize a guy with a ring because he's done it already.

 

That game on Sunday was hilarious. The story was set up and Romo bungled it away. RGIII is clearly gimped and was struggling like hell out there, but history will remember him as doing enough to win. No INTs is all he needed because Romo DID throw INTs. Turnovers aren't always the difference but they are an extremely high level correlation with winning. It's tough to win big games, everyone knows that, Romo is just remembered for some very poor decisions and chokes and keeps doing it right now. He's in good company but he has indeed outdone everyone else I've seen. It can change, but everytime he does what he just did you HAVE to laugh at it.

 

This is a fair post. The Peyton Manning comparison is a good one, albeit Romo is obviously not on Manning's level.

 

I guess my position is: People are saying the Cowboys need to get rid of Romo if they ever want to win anything. They say he is holding them back. I think that's idiotic.....You say Romo is the reason the team fails to meet expectations. I say Romo is the only reason the team has expectations. I believe he is good enough to make his run and win a title. But he needs an offensive line and a decent defense. And if you think you have a QB capable of winning a title, you ride it out. Because it may be 20 years before you find another one.