More patients packing Emergency Rooms under Obamacare than before.

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People who believe this are such morons. Yeah doctors invest a sh!t ton of time, sweat and money into getting where they are but I'm sure they're all going to quit their jobs and go into telemarketing instead because Obummercare

Funny you say this, as there are quite a few docs who have transitioned from clinical work to remote utilization management, which effectively is a phone job. To be fair, the ACA may have enabled this as it requires widespread use of electronic medical records, which are far easier to review online than illegible paper charts. But I suspect EMRs were going to become commonplace soon anyway.

[NewbieJr 541]

That does not change the fact many are leaving because of the ACA.

Is this causing a doctor shortage? (3rd time)

[penultimatestraw 473]

That does not change the fact many are leaving because of the ACA.

Sure, a few blame the ACA for leaving the profession. But the total number of doctors has gone up over the last few years. It's just not primary care providers, who are being supplanted by physician extenders and/or foreign medical graduates, a trend which predates the ACA.

[Googballz 39]

Sure, a few blame the ACA for leaving the profession. But the total number of doctors has gone up over the last few years. It's just not primary care providers, who are being supplanted by physician extenders and/or foreign medical graduates, a trend which predates the ACA.

The ACA just kicked in......partially. Once the entire train wreck is in place the number leaving will grow.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

They are leaving general practice. With spiraling malpractice costs and the idiocy of government involvement in medical insurance, they are looking for something else medical related where they don't have to see patients. I went to a cardiologist once or twice; they make diabetics do it, mandatory. She shut her practice and joined a local university to avoid the cluster fock we have now.

I think you mean solo practice and becoming employed. This is a real phenomenon, as hospitals are buying up physician groups and individual practices.

[MDC 7,891]

... the total number of doctors has gone up over the last few years.

In other words the ACA has increased the number of medical professional.

[NewbieJr 541]

Is this causing a doctor shortage? (3rd time)

 

[Monty Python] Run away! Run away! [Monty Python]

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Geez, I wonder if one of the thousands and thousands getting their medical degree every year will step up in their places? I know it's a sucky job. Having to live in huge houses and drive expensive cars, but someone has to do it.

My house is ~1400 sq ft, and I drive an 8-year old car, which I bought used for $20K.

[Googballz 39]

Hey Newbs, I have yet to see you have an adult conversation on this board, so I see no reason to attempt to engage you in one. Feel free to crow about backing me into a corner now. I would expect nothing less from a child like you.

 

It is fun watching you chase me around and beg for attention though.

 

[penultimatestraw 473]

In other words the ACA has increased the number of medical professional.

Not quite, but it isn't causing doctors to leave in droves either.

[NewbieJr 541]

My house is ~1400 sq ft, and I drive an 8-year old car, which I bought used for $20K.

That's because of your expensive vegetarian diet.

 

Or else you're just not a very good doctor. The office custodian should be able to afford that house and car.

[NewbieJr 541]

Hey Newbs, you caught me talking out of my ass again and backed me into another corner. So I'll pretend that your question doesn't count to avoid the embarrassment of yet another ass whooping.

 

At least you're becoming honest with yourself. That's a big step, Hare Lip.

[penultimatestraw 473]

That's because of your expensive vegetarian diet.

 

Or else you're just not a very good doctor. The office custodian should be able to afford that house and car.

I think you're confusing me with Worms. My grocery bill is quite reasonable. It's interesting that you equate "good" doctors with the size of their homes or cost of their cars though.

[phillybear 366]

It's interesting that you equate "good" doctors with the size of their homes or cost of their cars though.

 

Newbie is shallow, superficial, and dumber than 80 lbs. of duck sh!t.

 

HTH!!

[cbfalcon 827]

with about 100 more patients a month.

 

That 12 percent spike in the number of patients

 

 

So this ER was seeing about 825 patients a month before? That means they went from 27 patients a day to 30.

 

That's 1 more patient every 8 hours. And we feel comfortable calling this 1 patient per 8 hours "packing Emergency Rooms"?

[NewbieJr 541]

I think you're confusing me with Worms. My grocery bill is quite reasonable. It's interesting that you equate "good" doctors with the size of their homes or cost of their cars though.

I would think that a physician is no different than a football player, or a business man, or a guy who has a lawn service. The better you are, the more in demand you are by companies and/or the more clients are trying to get your service. It's the American way. Red white and blue and all of that crap.

 

And maybe you're putting kids through college or saving for retirement. But whether you spend your money on material things like cars or invest it, I would hope you make decent money. Which was my point while I was destroying Google Pilot and phillybear and their imaginary doctor shortage nonsense.

[phillybear 366]

while I was destroying Google Pilot and phillybear and their imaginary doctor shortage nonsense.

 

Where was I making a point of a shortage? I was saying doctors are leaving the profession due to Obamacare. Which is true. Get your facts straight, slapnuts.

 

Stupid. Just sooooo very stupid. I can sharpen my cutlery on his forehead.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I would think that a physician is no different than a football player, or a business man, or a guy who has a lawn service. The better you are, the more in demand you are by companies and/or the more clients are trying to get your service. It's the American way. Red white and blue and all of that crap.

 

And maybe you're putting kids through college or saving for retirement. But whether you spend your money on material things like cars or invest it, I would hope you make decent money. Which was my point while I was destroying Google Pilot and phillybear and their imaginary doctor shortage nonsense.

Most of the best doctors I know aren't materialistic. That's not to say there aren't physicians who peacock their wealth, but I do think it is a little different than pro sports, or even the business world. A doctor concerned with material displays of wealth might not be the best, rather, he may be performing unnecessary procedures or committing billing fraud. His patients probably wouldn't know either way.

 

There is a primary care shortage, but it isn't due to the ACA.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Where was I making a point of a shortage? I was saying doctors are leaving the profession due to Obamacare. Which is true. Get your facts straight, slapnuts.

 

Stupid. Just sooooo very stupid. I can sharpen my cutlery on his forehead.

So what's the point? Who cares if a few are leaving? There are more doctors now than ever.

[NewbieJr 541]

Most of the best doctors I know aren't materialistic. That's not to say there aren't physicians who peacock their wealth, but I do think it is a little different than pro sports, or even the business world. A doctor concerned with material displays of wealth might not be the best, rather, he may be performing unnecessary procedures or committing billing fraud. His patients probably wouldn't know either way.

 

There is a primary care shortage, but it isn't due to the ACA.

A doctor with a nice house and car may be committing billing fraud?? OR, he could be very good at what he does and is getting rewarded for his years or medical school and hard work.

[phillybear 366]

So what's the point? Who cares if a few are leaving? There are more doctors now than ever.

 

An overall number is useless.

 

There is a troubling trend in a downward trend in doctors for general practice and primary care.

 

It's like you are bragging about having 70 punters in camp but no offensive linemen.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

An overall number is useless.

 

There is a troubling trend in a downward trend in doctors for general practice and primary care.

 

It's like you are bragging about having 70 punters in camp but no offensive linemen.

No. No it's not. But carry on. You think you have a point and that's all that matters.

[Googballz 39]

There are more doctors now than ever.

 

Link?

[NewbieJr 541]

Link?

www.suckmyfatcock.com

 

YWIA

[Googballz 39]

www.suckmyfatcock.com

 

YWIA

Backed you into a corner again.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Poor Googy Pilot has revealed himself as a fool yet again. Anyone in a real profession understands all the work that goes into building your career and all that you have invested in continuing success. Only a focking moron would toss that all away because they're pissed about a new law. It's not like these docs are going to head back to school and become nuclear physicists instead or something - they chose their paths and they're pretty much committed to it.

 

Only argument that would make sense is if people are less likely to try to enter the profession in the future. I seriously doubt that. All the negatives aside--including, perhaps Obamacare depending on your perspective--it can still be a very rewarding and/or lucrative profession.

[Googballz 39]

Poor Googy Pilot has revealed himself as a fool yet again. Anyone in a real profession understands all the work that goes into building your career and all that you have invested in continuing success. Only a focking moron would toss that all away because they're pissed about a new law. It's not like these docs are going to head back to school and become nuclear physicists instead or something - they chose their paths and they're pretty much committed to it.

Only argument that would make sense is if people are less likely to try to enter the profession in the future. I seriously doubt that. All the negatives aside--including, perhaps Obamacare depending on your perspective--it can still be a very rewarding and/or lucrative profession.

I proved my point. You haven't.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Poor Googy Pilot has revealed himself as a fool yet again. Anyone in a real profession understands all the work that goes into building your career and all that you have invested in continuing success. Only a focking moron would toss that all away because they're pissed about a new law. It's not like these docs are going to head back to school and become nuclear physicists instead or something - they chose their paths and they're pretty much committed to it.

 

Only argument that would make sense is if people are less likely to try to enter the profession in the future. I seriously doubt that. All the negatives aside--including, perhaps Obamacare depending on your perspective--it can still be a very rewarding and/or lucrative profession.

Ding ding ding. I think doctors are doing ok.

[Sho Nuff 720]

At least you're becoming honest with yourself. That's a big step, Hare Lip.

Wow...he claimed other people follow him around and beg for attention?

My irony meter just broke from overuse with that guy.

[Googballz 39]

Wow...he claimed other people follow him around and beg for attention?

My irony meter just broke from overuse with that guy.

Clicked on View it anyway.........again.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Wow...he claimed other people follow him around and beg for attention?

My irony meter just broke from overuse with that guy.

LOL It's hilarious, Google Pilot is too stupid to know that having someone on ignore doesn't prevent you from seeing your posts if someone else quotes them. 50,000 posts and the moron is still learning messageboard 101.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,605]

With all due respect, an EMT's perspective is very skewed. We can have this discussion when you are sober.

 

Maybe look up the rate of MRI use in the US in the interim. Hint: we use MRIs far more than other developed countries, and it has nothing to do with the ACA.

 

 

1- How is an EMT's perspective skewed? They deliver the patients to the ER. They talk to the doctors and nurses. They see who is in the ER. That's their job.

 

2- My point about MRI's is that we are using them less now. There are fewer of them as their costs of usage and maitenance are very high. Which is causing people to wait longer to get them. That was never a problem before. It's an example. I read a story a few months back about a town in Canada that's citizens were complaining about the wait time for MRI's. They found out that they went from three MRI machines to one. And the neigboring towns didn't have any, so they were using theirs causing long log jams and doctors fighting with admistrators about which patients needed the MTI's.

[Googballz 39]

LOL It's hilarious, Google Pilot is too stupid to know that having someone on ignore doesn't prevent you from seeing your posts if someone else quotes them. 50,000 posts and the moron is still learning messageboard 101.

Your post he quoted didn't have me saying what he claimed because you edited my entire post. He had to go back and view my original to see what I actually said.

 

Damn you are a fukking dumbfukk.

[NewbieJr 541]

Your post he quoted didn't have me saying what he claimed because you edited my entire post. He had to go back and view my original to see what I actually said.

 

Damn you are a fukking dumbfukk.

I didn't edit your post. That's what you said. hth

[Mike Honcho 5,437]

So what's the point? Who cares if a few are leaving? There are more doctors now than ever.

 

It's not a few...it's "many" says Goog... Of course we haven't seen a numerical value with many... 10, 1000, 5%??? , but it's "many"

[penultimatestraw 473]

A doctor with a nice house and car may be committing billing fraud?? OR, he could be very good at what he does and is getting rewarded for his years or medical school and hard work.

It's a little different than many professions. I work in a group of 40+ physicians. Our salary exceeds $200K, yet only 3 of our doctors have fancy cars…Audi A7, BMW 740, and a Jaguar. Two of those three are pretty crappy doctors, and the third is mediocre. Meanwhile the better doctors drive cars like Honda Accords, Toyota Priuses, etc. And at least one bikes to work

 

Look in the doctors' parking lot and it is the same thing: a bunch a sensible cars and a smattering of expensive ones, including a few BMWs, Mercedes, Porches and a Ferrari or two.

 

Houses are different, as everywhere in HI is relatively expensive. The few "mansions" aren't owned by the best doctors, however. Typically they are doctors who embrace the "business side" of medicine - meaning they game the system to maximize their profits, often at the expense of patient care.

[Googballz 39]

It's a little different than many professions. I work in a group of 40+ physicians. Our salary exceeds $200K, yet only 3 of our doctors have fancy cars…Audi A7, BMW 740, and a Jaguar. Two of those three are pretty crappy doctors, and the third is mediocre. Meanwhile the better doctors drive cars like Honda Accords, Toyota Priuses, etc. And at least one bikes to work

 

Look in the doctors' parking lot and it is the same thing: a bunch a sensible cars and a smattering of expensive ones, including a few BMWs, Mercedes, Porches and a Ferrari or two.

 

Houses are different, as everywhere in HI is relatively expensive. The few "mansions" aren't owned by the best doctors, however. Typically they are doctors who embrace the "business side" of medicine - meaning they game the system to maximize their profits, often at the expense of patient care.

You are talking to an airhead who thinks good health is determined by your biceps size.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

An overall number is useless.

 

There is a troubling trend in a downward trend in doctors for general practice and primary care.

 

It's like you are bragging about having 70 punters in camp but no offensive linemen.

Decent analogy, but it's more like 70 QBs. But my point is it has little to do with the ACA - there has been a primary care shortage for a decade or more.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

It's not a few...it's "many" says Goog... Of course we haven't seen a numerical value with many... 10, 1000, 5%??? , but it's "many"

Yeah, ask him for a link. That's his specialty. lolol

[penultimatestraw 473]

Poor Googy Pilot has revealed himself as a fool yet again. Anyone in a real profession understands all the work that goes into building your career and all that you have invested in continuing success. Only a focking moron would toss that all away because they're pissed about a new law. It's not like these docs are going to head back to school and become nuclear physicists instead or something - they chose their paths and they're pretty much committed to it.

 

Only argument that would make sense is if people are less likely to try to enter the profession in the future. I seriously doubt that. All the negatives aside--including, perhaps Obamacare depending on your perspective--it can still be a very rewarding and/or lucrative profession.

No, the argument that makes sense, and is happening, is trainees don't pursue primary care. But it ain't due to the ACA.