American Chewy 98 Posted October 26, 2014 Left game in 4th didn't return. Had several injuries last few weeks should be interesting to see the severity of it. I have both gio and hill and wouldn't mind going to hill next week against jax as the only rb. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 459 Posted October 26, 2014 I like Gio as a RB and a person, but I hope he has the hips of my gramma - c'mon Hill! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted October 26, 2014 Ditto...I need Hill next week and for the ROS even better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted October 26, 2014 He isn't built to touch it as often as he does Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 26, 2014 Gios ypc are terrible. Hill could easily be a far more effective fantasy back. Thier workload should swap even without injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GS3K 12 Posted October 26, 2014 Yeah I'm sure Gio's terrible Y.P.C. is in no way correlated to Green going down and is simply due to the fact that Hill is simply so much more amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted October 26, 2014 Yeah I'm sure Gio's terrible Y.P.C. is in no way correlated to Green going down and is simply due to the fact that Hill is simply so much more amazing. Well you could check ypc with green it was bad then too 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted October 26, 2014 ? I wouldn't call 4.3 and awful ypc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gratefulegg1973 253 Posted October 26, 2014 I pray he's injured. I have him, and two weeks of absolutely garbage is not a good sign for a healthy player Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 27, 2014 ? I wouldn't call 4.3 and awful ypc he has 446yds on 109 carries for 4.1ypc. but its worth noting 89 yards came on one carry. take that out he has 3.3ypc. hill isn't a lot better but he has a lot of GL carries which lowers his possible ypc. he's at 3.5ypc. either way I like hill as an everydown back more than gio because he can go between the tackles better and still catch balls as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 27, 2014 rotoworld reporting gio is fine, no serious injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donkey 34 Posted October 27, 2014 rotoworld reporting gio is fine, no serious injury. so hill still worthless. oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futurecub07 1 Posted October 27, 2014 Most weeks his YPC aren't bad, but not good either. I think the Bengals are misusing him. He was effective last year due to total yds, not just rushing yds. He's barely getting any catches this year. The Bengals should balance the handoffs between him and Hill, and give him more chances in the passing game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChalupaBatman 1 Posted October 27, 2014 Wouldn't mind him missing a week seeing as the guy I'm playing next week has him at RB1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squintz82 45 Posted October 27, 2014 he has 446yds on 109 carries for 4.1ypc. but its worth noting 89 yards came on one carry. take that out he has 3.3ypc. hill isn't a lot better but he has a lot of GL carries which lowers his possible ypc. he's at 3.5ypc. either way I like hill as an everydown back more than gio because he can go between the tackles better and still catch balls as well. Take away Hill's long runs, and his YPC is terrible. Such an awful argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 27, 2014 Take away Hill's long runs, and his YPC is terrible. Such an awful argument. hill has a 90 yard complete outlier run? you ever take a stats course where you plot points on a graph and you draw a line to get the avg and theres this one point that's completely off so you throw it out? gio has that. hill's long is 13 this year. THIRTEEN. he has no outlier runs. his ypc is what it is. gio's is skewed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dennis29 6 Posted October 27, 2014 hill has a 90 yard complete outlier run? you ever take a stats course where you plot points on a graph and you draw a line to get the avg and theres this one point that's completely off so you throw it out? gio has that. hill's long is 13 this year. THIRTEEN. he has no outlier runs. his ypc is what it is. gio's is skewed. Hell, why run the ball at all? The worst yards per pass attempt in the league is at 6.01 yards? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squintz82 45 Posted October 27, 2014 hill has a 90 yard complete outlier run? you ever take a stats course where you plot points on a graph and you draw a line to get the avg and theres this one point that's completely off so you throw it out? gio has that. hill's long is 13 this year. THIRTEEN. he has no outlier runs. his ypc is what it is. gio's is skewed. Doesn't make it less of a ridiculous comparison. Gio has the ability to break those runs, but we shouldn't take that into account. How many points does ypc score in your league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 Posted October 27, 2014 Both good backs. Both are averaging around 4 ypc this season. Tells me its more the offensive line than anything. I know i haven't seen any running room the last 2 weeks. Hill has done absolutely nothing in the running game as well. He had one decent run last week in garbage time against a prevent. He got stuffed pretty hard at the goalline this week. Gio did as well the 1st time, got in the 2nd trip there. Be one thing if one guy was running wild and the other was getting stuffed time and time again. But the results have been similar with both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minister of Pain 1 Posted October 27, 2014 he has 446yds on 109 carries for 4.1ypc. but its worth noting 89 yards came on one carry. take that out he has 3.3ypc. hill isn't a lot better but he has a lot of GL carries which lowers his possible ypc. he's at 3.5ypc. either way I like hill as an everydown back more than gio because he can go between the tackles better and still catch balls as well. Take away Hill's long runs, and his YPC is terrible. Such an awful argument.^ This Gio has 16 carries inside the 10 and THREE 1-yard TDs Hill has 9 carries inside the 10 and ONE 1-yard TD If Hill has "a lot of goal line carries lowering his possible YPC" then Gio has an even bigger issue with this. Nice try! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 27, 2014 Doesn't make it less of a ridiculous comparison. Gio has the ability to break those runs, but we shouldn't take that into account. yes we should account for his long runs. But 90 yard runs are extremely rare and worth noting when looking at someone's average runs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 27, 2014 ^ This Gio has 16 carries inside the 10 and THREE 1-yard TDs Hill has 9 carries inside the 10 and ONE 1-yard TD If Hill has "a lot of goal line carries lowering his possible YPC" then Gio has an even bigger issue with this. Nice try! i'd be more interested in runs on 3rd/4th and short anywhere on the field or inside the 3 at the GL. Would take a lot of research though. I'm willing to admit I could be wrong on this but I would assume Hill would be used more often in those situations. at least with his build, he should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 Posted October 27, 2014 yes we should account for his long runs. But 90 yard runs are extremely rare and worth noting when looking at someone's average runs. Not really, that's his game. He's a 2,3,1,-2,5,1,70 type runner. Barry Sanders was the most talented example of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 Posted October 27, 2014 i'd be more interested in runs on 3rd/4th and short anywhere on the field or inside the 3 at the GL. Would take a lot of research though. I'm willing to admit I could be wrong on this but I would assume Hill would be used more often in those situations. at least with his build, he should be. He's not really. Hill gets a drive every 3 or 4 series it seems. They're not really used in specific situations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted October 27, 2014 i'd be more interested in runs on 3rd/4th and short anywhere on the field or inside the 3 at the GL. Would take a lot of research though. I'm willing to admit I could be wrong on this but I would assume Hill would be used more often in those situations. at least with his build, he should be. He is used too much already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 72 Posted October 27, 2014 Gios ypc are terrible. Hill could easily be a far more effective fantasy back. Thier workload should swap even without injury. For the first 6 weeks. 18 catches for 178 yards. His YAC? 177. You are looking at the wrong stat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglesfreak 10 Posted October 27, 2014 Any news on Gio? Will he be ready for Week 9? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 27, 2014 Not really, that's his game. He's a 2,3,1,-2,5,1,70 type runner. Barry Sanders was the most talented example of that. I would buy it but his 2nd longest run this year is 16. and going back to last year he had 2 runs over 20 yards (35 being the highest). so 89 is still a giant outlier when compiling his ypc. he may still become a HR hitter type like Barry but he's not there yet. I think his big play ability lies more in the passing game where he definitely has more 20+ yard plays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 27, 2014 He's not really. Hill gets a drive every 3 or 4 series it seems. They're not really used in specific situations. ok thanks good to know. thought their usage was more situational since they are built differently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 27, 2014 For the first 6 weeks. 18 catches for 178 yards. His YAC? 177. You are looking at the wrong stat. I don't doubt his ability in the passing game. that's where he's most dangerous. i'm questioning his perhaps overusage as an everydown between the tackles type. Hill could maybe be the more complete back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 Posted October 27, 2014 I don't doubt his ability in the passing game. that's where he's most dangerous. i'm questioning his perhaps overusage as an everydown between the tackles type. Hill could maybe be the more complete back. Probably should use Hill more between the tackles and get Gio into space. That said, Hill hasn't really looked any different running between the tackles. He may even look worse. Yesterday alone, he got stuffed over and over again. The best the running game looked yesterday was the drive Gio jumped into the endzone. His running drove them down the field. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 Posted October 27, 2014 I would buy it but his 2nd longest run this year is 16. and going back to last year he had 2 runs over 20 yards (35 being the highest). so 89 is still a giant outlier when compiling his ypc. he may still become a HR hitter type like Barry but he's not there yet. I think his big play ability lies more in the passing game where he definitely has more 20+ yard plays. That play last season against Miami was one of the most impressive things ive ever seen. 35 yards yes but he ran about 80 and would have went 80 if they were that far away lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
studwell 3 Posted October 28, 2014 Any updates on Gio as the WW deadline nears? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted October 29, 2014 Any updates on Gio as the WW deadline nears? from what I've read/heard he will play but could see reduced workload, esp if cincy gets a decent lead. i'm honestly considering starting both gio and hill this week. my options are terrible though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyFourSeven 23 Posted October 29, 2014 I need Hill this week. Bye weeks stink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jpcdds 21 Posted October 29, 2014 Just odd no real updates except for "doesn't appear to be significant injury" to hip! So what does that mean?!? He's not dennis pita but might be out for a few weeks? Or is it just a mild hip Pointer and will be limited at practice but play this week? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squintz82 45 Posted October 29, 2014 Just odd no real updates except for "doesn't appear to be significant injury" to hip! So what does that mean?!? He's not dennis pita but might be out for a few weeks? Or is it just a mild hip Pointer and will be limited at practice but play this week? I wouldn't get so worked up over it. If he's playing, he's in your lineup. No indication of sitting so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
td parker 1 Posted October 29, 2014 Gio not practicing today Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobbyn2022 53 Posted October 29, 2014 I have both I'm hoping GIO rest against the Jags and Hill get the bulk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jpcdds 21 Posted October 30, 2014 Apparently it is a hip pointer and still dealing with the clavicle issue. Was not seen at practice at all... Not even on the sidelines. Bengals aren't really talking about either... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites