Active Shooter At Naval Station

[Big Blue 06 196]

I like cuntservatives myself.

Okay, that one is creative. Stuff like that annoys me and I put it on par with grown men typing lol or lolol (you know who you are). Lol is bad enough but lolol? So basically you're saying that you're laughing out loud out loud.

[frank 2,346]

Okay, that one is creative. Stuff like that annoys me and I put it on par with grown men typing lol or lolol (you know who you are). Lol is bad enough but lolol? So basically you're saying that you're laughing out loud out loud.

lololol

[NewbieJr 541]

 

You missed the point. If rocket launchers and other insane weapons were legal and people were trying to outlaw them, you and the NRA would defend your right to own them. You deny that?

this is 100% correct. The NRA (and most gun owners) are so rigid and unreasonable about all guns, that they are willing to make zero concessions. They are so afraid that banning any kind of gun whatsoever, will lead to all guns being outlawed. A mix of pig-headedness and paranoia.

[parrot 789]

You'd be wrong too making a definitive statement. From everything I've read Hitler was religious early in life but became further and further away from religion as he became older and especially during his last years ( during the wars).

 

It's why you can find quoted talking about religion and there are a bunch of him talking the opposite. It depends which part of his life they came from.

 

Irregardless, if it's not religion, it's land, or some king screwed over another king or whatever. Or some country or kingdom wants to expand or,...humans will find something.

 

Atheism is the belief that there is no God. Not practicing religion, or even becoming increasingly at odds with religion, does not make one an atheist. You don't have to practice any religion at all to still maintain belief in a God or Gods, even if that belief is in a perverted version of God like Hitler's. There are literally hundreds of statements in Hitler's writings and speeches that indicate a belief in God. I've never read any quotes where he indicated that he no longer believed in the notion of God. Until I see that, my position is that he was NOT an atheist.

 

And also irregardless, religion was one of the big tools he used to manipulate the German people.

[parrot 789]

Couple random observations;

 

Flamethrowers aren't against the law. At least not federally and not in the vast majority of states.

 

Uzis are not crap. Genuine non-knock-off UZIS are very well built and extremely dependable. Israeli defense forces carried them for 40 years or so, and the US Secret Service had them in their arsenal as well.

 

High-powered sniper-type rifles and automatic weapons have one big thing in common in that they are almost NEVER used in crimes. Titans thinks 50 cals should be banned because they can take out a cars. Do we have a big problem with people shooting cars?

[KSB2424 3,174]

this is 100% correct. The NRA (and most gun owners) are so rigid and unreasonable about all guns, that they are willing to make zero concessions. They are so afraid that banning any kind of gun whatsoever, will lead to all guns being outlawed. A mix of pig-headedness and paranoia.

 

You know Newbie, I agree with everything you said. The NRA won't budge one bit or make any concession because they are afraid of giving an inch on the perceived slippery slope. Not to cross-pollenate threads, but its the same mentality that the far left has with abortion regulation. They will not concede an inch without a fight for the same fears you just alluded too. I like neither in each of those respective issues.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Couple random observations;

 

Flamethrowers aren't against the law. At least not federally and not in the vast majority of states.

 

Uzis are not crap. Genuine non-knock-off UZIS are very well built and extremely dependable. Israeli defense forces carried them for 40 years or so, and the US Secret Service had them in their arsenal as well.

 

High-powered sniper-type rifles and automatic weapons have one big thing in common in that they are almost NEVER used in crimes. Titans thinks 50 cals should be banned because they can take out a cars. Do we have a big problem with people shooting cars?

This is true. Most deaths occur from hand guns. Most of them are either illegal or the lower quality ones. I'm all for making it harder for someone to get a good (more lengthy process, psych eval, ect) as long as I can still purchase it. Have better safety regulations in place to help prevent it but nothing is going to extinguish the problem and that is man himself

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

This is true. Most deaths occur from hand guns. Most of them are either illegal or the lower quality ones. I'm all for making it harder for someone to get a good (more lengthy process, psych eval, ect) as long as I can still purchase it. Have better safety regulations in place to help prevent it but nothing is going to extinguish the problem and that is man himself

Huh. I wonder why damn near every othe country in the world manages to do a far better job of extinguishing it than we do?

[5-Points 3,766]

Uzis are not crap. Genuine non-knock-off UZIS are very well built and extremely dependable. Israeli defense forces carried them for 40 years or so, and the US Secret Service had them in their arsenal as well.

Maybe "crap" was a bad word choice. I'd rather have an MP5 given the choice but that's just my preference.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Huh. I wonder why damn near every othe country in the world manages to do a far better job of extinguishing it than we do?

Because either:

A) it is a poor country where they can't afford guns or they are regulated and only those in power have them

 

Or

 

B: their culture is different than ours. Americans are some of the worlds lost violent people and our culture is just like that. Same goes with terrorists in Middle East. You can't change the peoples culture no matter how hard you try. That's who they are as a people. Same with America

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Because either:

A) it is a poor country where they can't afford guns or they are regulated and only those in power have them

 

Or

 

their culture is different than ours. Americans are some of the worlds lost violent people and our culture is just like that. Same goes with terrorists in Middle East. You can't change the peoples culture no matter how hard you try. That's who they are as a people. Same with America

That's the stupidest focking thing I ever heard.

[Djgb13 2,339]

That's the stupidest focking thing I ever heard.

Sorry you're not educated enough to understand

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Sorry you're not educated enough to understand

Oh I understand perfectly well. You value your right to be a swinging d!ck moron that blasts holes in stuff as a hobby more than the safety and well being of actual people.

 

All you gotta do is look at Australia. They had the worst gun massacre in history. Then they banned guns. Haven't had one since, and gun deaths have plummeted.

 

Every time I see some limp d!ck redneck moron walking around with a focking hog leg strapped to him in the focking mall, it infuriates me. That includes members of my family.

 

By the way, I sh!t things smarter and better educated than you.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Oh I understand perfectly well. You value your right to be a swinging d!ck moron that blasts holes in stuff as a hobby more than the safety and well being of actual people.

 

All you gotta do is look at Australia. They had the worst gun massacre in history. Then they banned guns. Haven't had one since, and gun deaths have plummeted.

 

Every time I see some limp d!ck redneck moron walking around with a focking hog leg strapped to him in the focking mall, it infuriates me. That includes members of my family.

 

By the way, I sh!t things smarter and better educated than you.

I'm sure you think you do buddy. But the fact remains we aren't Australia and there a lot more different people here than there is there. Blame guns all you want but like I said you're uneducated to not know the truth. Human beings, especially the types we have in America, are violent are will still kill people with guns even if they are banned. We have black markets and illegal trades here that will gladly supply weapons. Until you understand the human mind you won't understand anything dealing with this situation. We had tons of guns all throughout our history with plenty of access to it. It wasn't until the past couple decades that we as a culture changed. Our sense of entitlement and our "I keep it real" attitude had focked us over and made us more violent. It's called sociology bud. Read up on it and you'll understand that guns aren't the problem. It's today's culture and the human mindset we have today

[tanatastic 2,062]

All you gotta do is look at Australia. They had the worst gun massacre in history. Then they banned guns. Haven't had one since, and gun deaths have plummeted.

I didnt know this, thats awesome. When will america wise up and follow suit? The problem is that the general population as a whole is too stupid to own guns. The bad apples spoil the bunch for everyone and id be happy to see them banned with harsh penalties.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I'm sure you think you do buddy. But the fact remains we aren't Australia and there a lot more different people here than there is there. Blame guns all you want but like I said you're uneducated to not know the truth. Human beings, especially the types we have in America, are violent are will still kill people with guns even if they are banned. We have black markets and illegal trades here that will gladly supply weapons. Until you understand the human mind you won't understand anything dealing with this situation. We had tons of guns all throughout our history with plenty of access to it. It wasn't until the past couple decades that we as a culture changed. Our sense of entitlement and our "I keep it real" attitude had focked us over and made us more violent. It's called sociology bud. Read up on it and you'll understand that guns aren't the problem. It's today's culture and the human mindset we have today

But you just said that the reason high end guns are ok is that the bad guys Are too poor to get them.

 

If guns were banned, the price of black market guns would skyrocket. So then, according to your argument, the bad guys couldn't afford any gun, correct?

[Djgb13 2,339]

But you just said that the reason high end guns are ok is that the bad guys Are too poor to get them.

 

If guns were banned, the price of black market guns would skyrocket. So then, according to your argument, the bad guys couldn't afford any gun, correct?

Look I gave a well detailed reason and you are still arguing about it. Guns won't ever be banned here because it is in the constitution. Bottom line. If you have a problem with them then go back in time and b1tch with the founding fathers. Me, I'll enjoy my freedom of having a gun.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Look I gave a well detailed reason and you are still arguing about it. Guns won't ever be banned here because it is in the constitution. Bottom line. If you have a problem with them then go back in time and b1tch with the founding fathers. Me, I'll enjoy my freedom of having a gun.

Ok, so dont try to make bullish!t arguments about "Americans being inherently more violent" or "criminals can't afford the heavy guns" only to fall flat on your face when confronted with simple logic and the facts of what happened when a sensible country banned guns.

 

Instead, just say "I like guns. I don't give a fock that having them in my house makes my children more likely to die. I don't care that having them in my society kills thousands of innocents a year. It makes me feel like more of a man and compensates for my tiny peemus."

 

And I'm well aware that meaningful gun control will never happen in this country. This country is at least half full of morons like yourself. It is one of many reasons this country has a dim future.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Look I gave a well detailed reason and you are still arguing about it. Guns won't ever be banned here because it is in the constitution. Bottom line. If you have a problem with them then go back in time and b1tch with the founding fathers. Me, I'll enjoy my freedom of having a gun never using my gun to defend myself even a single time and one day accidentally shooting myself in the foot or having a child blow his head off.

Fixed

[Reality 3,121]

Ok, so dont try to make bullish!t arguments about "Americans being inherently more violent" or "criminals can't afford the heavy guns" only to fall flat on your face when confronted with simple logic and the facts of what happened when a sensible country banned guns.

 

Instead, just say "I like guns. I don't give a fock that having them in my house makes my children more likely to die. I don't care that having them in my society kills thousands of innocents a year. It makes me feel like more of a man and compensates for my tiny peemus."

 

And I'm well aware that meaningful gun control will never happen in this country. This country is at least half full of morons like yourself. It is one of many reasons this country has a dim future.

 

 

Don't own any guns myself but, to this entire post.

 

Absurd.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Ok, so dont try to make bullish!t arguments about "Americans being inherently more violent" or "criminals can't afford the heavy guns" only to fall flat on your face when confronted with simple logic and the facts of what happened when a sensible country banned guns.

 

Instead, just say "I like guns. I don't give a fock that having them in my house makes my children more likely to die. I don't care that having them in my society kills thousands of innocents a year. It makes me feel like more of a man and compensates for my tiny peemus."

 

And I'm well aware that meaningful gun control will never happen in this country. This country is at least half full of morons like yourself. It is one of many reasons this country has a dim future.

I'm sorry you get all bent out of shape over this issue. I've found that only the poosays who hate guns and want them banned are stomping their feet whining about it. Sack up and deal with it

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I'm sorry you get all bent out of shape over this issue. I've found that only the poosays who hate guns and want them banned are stomping their feet whining about it. Sack up and deal with it

Please. There is an entire lobbying group of people who advocate for poosay gun toting morons.

 

Enjoy your second amendment suicide pact.

[Djgb13 2,339]

Please. There is an entire lobbying group of people who advocate for poosay gun toting morons.

 

Enjoy your second amendment suicide pact.

I will. Enjoy whining about guns. Little good that's gonna do you

[Sho Nuff 720]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chattanooga-shooting-fbi-recovers-gunmans-disturbing-diary/story?id=32558310

 

 

 

The gunman who killed five American troops in a Chattanooga shooting spree last week did online research for militant Islamist "guidance" on committing violence that he may have believed would wipe away in the afterlife his sins on earth including drug and alcohol abuse, an arrest and a lost job, officials said on Monday.

 

 

 

 

But there is no evidence so far that Mohammod Abdulazeez, 24 -- whose family insists he was deeply troubled and mentally ill -- was inspired by or directed by ISIS to carry out a bloody attack on U.S. military targets of the sort the Syria and Iraq-based terror group has publicly called for over the past year, the officials said.

 

[crackattack 520]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chattanooga-shooting-fbi-recovers-gunmans-disturbing-diary/story?id=32558310

 

 

 

 

Thanks for proving my point

 

A mentally ill, drug addict,who searched for isis style murders, turned to a religious ideology of martyrdom to murder innocent people. He believed his martyrdom would atone for his earthly sins. Now, people can blame just his mental issues and drug addiction, but I choose to blame both. Without the religious ideology, would he have done this? Maybe/maybe not. I personally don't think he would have.

[tubby_mcgee 701]

Why did the gunman stop shooting people? Did he have a change of heart? I'm surprised he stopped at killing just 5 people.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Thanks for proving my point

 

A mentally ill, drug addict,who searched for isis style murders, turned to a religious ideology of martyrdom to murder innocent people. He believed his martyrdom would atone for his earthly sins. Now, people can blame just his mental issues and drug addiction, but I choose to blame both. Without the religious ideology, would he have done this? Maybe/maybe not. I personally don't think he would have.

Seems to me it was a guy looking fr a way out. He found it in Islam...my opinion...he would have found another reason if Islam wasn't there.

[crackattack 520]

Seems to me it was a guy looking fr a way out. He found it in Islam...my opinion...he would have found another reason if Islam wasn't there.

Possibly, but it appears he cared enough about a heaven that he felt the need for martyrdom. No other religion in the world (that I know of) allows or has this kind of belief system. In the words of Sam Harris "Islam is the mother lode of bad ideas".

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Possibly, but it appears he cared enough about a heaven that he felt the need for martyrdom. No other religion in the world (that I know of) allows or has this kind of belief system. In the words of Sam Harris "Islam is the mother lode of bad ideas".

Christianity has similar crap. At least the catholic church does. They made it up before the crusades.

[crackattack 520]

Christianity has similar crap. At least the catholic church does. They made it up before the crusades.

Christianity allows and preaches martyrdom? I've never heard that before. I'm not a scholar on religion, but i didn't think Christianity actually preaches murdering non-Christians.....in the modern times, not crusades time. Christianity evolved away from that, or I thought.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Christianity allows and preaches martyrdom? I've never heard that before. I'm not a scholar on religion, but i didn't think Christianity actually preaches murdering non-Christians.....in the modern times, not crusades time. Christianity evolved away from that, or I thought.

 

Yes. They evolved into it, and then back out. I don't know if the Church ever officially did away with that nonsense or not.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

Yes. They evolved into it, and then back out. I don't know if the Church ever officially did away with that nonsense or not.

Maybe you should find out first? Just saying. And yeah, they evolved out of it. Not that I'm a church going Catholic, but I was raised in it and I've seen them evolve on a lot of issues in my life. The pedophile scandal was/is a disgrace and they deserve every bit of criticism they get. But this current Pope is moving the ball forward. I see the Islamic world going backwards.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Maybe you should find out first? Just saying. And yeah, they evolved out of it. Not that I'm a church going Catholic, but I was raised in it and I've seen them evolve on a lot of issues in my life. The pedophile scandal was/is a disgrace and they deserve every bit of criticism they get. But this current Pope is moving the ball forward. I see the Islamic world going backwards.

 

Why should I find out? I could care less what the church says. Odd, how such constant evolution is necessary, the pope being the direct link to god and all.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

Why should I find out? I could care less what the church says. Odd, how such constant evolution is necessary, the pope being the direct link to god and all.

You're the one who commented on it, so maybe you want to be right? They don't say that direct link to god stuff anymore either FYI.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

You're the one who commented on it, so maybe you want to be right? They don't say that direct link to god stuff anymore either FYI.

You said you didn't think Christianity had such a facet.

 

Being a history dork, I know that pope urban II issued a call for holy war and promised spiritual redemption for those that died in said crusade. This was the council of Claremont.

 

Not being Christian, let alone catholic, I have no idea whether said papal bull was ever rescinded.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

You said you didn't think Christianity had such a facet.

 

Being a history dork, I know that pope urban II issued a call for holy war and promised spiritual redemption for those that died in said crusade. This was the council of Claremont.

 

Not being Christian, let alone catholic, I have no idea whether said papal bull was ever rescinded.

Urban 2, from 1099 AD? Come on man.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Urban 2, from 1099 AD? Come on man.

 

 

And you think the passages in the Koran relating to Jihad were written last week or something?

 

Its religion. All of this crap is ancient history.

[SUXBNME 1,596]

Huh. I wonder why damn near every othe country in the world manages to do a far better job of extinguishing it than we do?

Seems to me that most 1st world countries have a higher rate of terrorism than we do

I may be wrong, and I'm not necessarily equating this to our 'liberal' gun laws, but just sayin.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

 

And you think the passages in the Koran relating to Jihad were written last week or something?

 

Its religion. All of this crap is ancient history.

Every parish in the U.S. Has a food pantry for our less fortunate citizens. That's not history.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I think it basically comes down to gun crime vs gun accidents. You can make a more compelling case that gun restrictions will reduce gun accidents than you can say more guns will reduce gun violence. Certainly there are plenty of anecdotal stories to support either one.

I think the best argument is the harm of gun-related accidents + suicides exceeds the benefit of crimes averted/lives saved + enjoyment from gun sports.