Let's Meet John Kasich

[gocolts 300]

No?

 

He blew up the deficit.

 

He expanded medicaid.

 

He bailed out social security.

 

He gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants.

 

The size of government grew quite a bit under his presidency, yet alone when he was governor of California.

 

 

You would hate that man as much as you hate Obummer.

I would IF that was the end of the story, but I know the history and what really happened and why he did some of that stuff.

 

Also, like I said, I understand I will not agree with anyone anywhere near 100% of the time and yes, there are things even the great Ronald Reagan did that I did not like.

[Voltaire 4,555]

I have one concern, my son. He has to grow up and live in this country.

I think the same way.

 

From there, my opinion diverges from yours. I think is the biggest problem facing your son's future is the massive deficits, unfunded liabilities, and irresponsible budgeting that'll makes your son pay for both tomorrow's government and today's. Neither Bush nor Obummer have cared. They've both just kicked the mismatched revenue/liability problems down the road for your son, my kids, and future Congresses/presidents to deal with.

 

Kasich is not only a throwback Republican that comes from an era of politicians that actually did care about future generations and how today's decisions affect the long term health of the country, he's also the only one that's actually been responsible for doing the line-by-line work of balanced the federal budget in our lifetime.

[gocolts 300]

I think the same way.

 

From there, my opinion diverges from yours. I think is the biggest problem facing your son is the massive deficits, unfounded liabilities and irresponsible budgeting that'll makes your son pay for both tommorow's government and today's. Neither Bush nor Obummer have given a sh1t. They've just kicked the problems down the road.

 

Kasich is a throwback Republican that comes from an era of politicians that actually care about future generations and how today's decisions affect the long term health of the country.

Not sure why you would think our opinions would diverge here, but that my biggest concern.

 

It is pure insanity to be doing this. Dubya SUCKED ASS on this too. Over the top ridiculous to be doing this. They(The generation getting focked over) will probably solve the problems we leave them by legalizing euthanasia and outlawing old folks homes.

[KSB2424 3,082]

Compassionate Conservative. No it's not an oxymoron if done correctly and from the right place....despite the long held and false, left talking points.

 

John Kasich is the man to balance the ideal of limiting gov't and spending while keeping the safety nets that are needed. It's a tightrope to walk, but it's the right balance and he's the man to do it.

 

 

There’s compassion, and there’s compassion, and then there’s John Kasich.The Ohio governor has long odds at becoming the Republican nominee, at least for now. But he’s forcing conservatives to confront a very old—if shined up—choice about the role of government.

As the nation goes about mentally categorizing the crowded Republican field, here’s one way to divide the arena: small-government reformers and big-government surrenderists. That debate is at the center of a bigger GOP meditation on how to better appeal to the poor and minorities. Mr. Kasich has emerged as the most eloquent and compelling spokesperson for the go-big camp.

The political veteran wouldn’t put it that way, of course. Mr. Kasich’s presidential candidacy so far has been a study in shrewd politics. The governor perfectly timed his late announcement, riding the headlines into a slot at the prime-time Ohio debate. That allowed him to play to a home-state crowd, which happily overlooked his flaws. About 24 million national viewers saw an arena standing and clapping for him. He’s since surged in New Hampshire, nabbed a few endorsements and become a media favorite.

And he took to the soapbox in Iowa this week to keep driving his theme: that it’s OK to be “conservative” and have a “big heart.” It’s his way of excusing his decision to embrace ObamaCare’s expansion of Medicaid, putting that welfare program on track to consume 50% of Ohio’s operating budget in 2016. “Everybody has a right to their God-given purpose,” said Mr. Kasich at the debate, bragging that his Medicaid blowout is helping the “working poor” to “get on their feet.”

Mr. Kasich’s is fresh to many voters, but his message isn’t. This is “compassionate conservatism”—or at least a bastardized version of it. George W. Bush first used that phrase to explain how conservative policies made everyone better off. But it would later turn into a license for Republicans to embrace government for their own conservative ends. Giant new education spending was needed to create school “accountability”; a new Medicare drug entitlement would create health-care “competition;” green-energy subsidies bolstered “national security.” Accountability, competition, national security—all conservative priorities, and all (according to the compassionate) best achieved through bigger government.

The philosophy got a revamp in the past year in the self-styled “reformicon” movement. This collection of conservative journalists and thinkers argue that their embrace of tax credits and subsidies is about modernizing conservative policy. In reality, it’s Compassionate Conservatism 2.0. It’s a savvier version, one that places more emphasis on selling policies to a skeptical base, even as it markets them to new audiences. Thus Mr. Kasich’s refrain that his state’s Medicaid program is growing at “one of the lowest rates in the country” even as it helps “the poor.”

The GOP came out of the 2012 presidential loss with a new appreciation of its growing disconnect with the problems of the poor and struggling in the Obamaeconomy. The Compassionate Conservative 2.0 movement is one answer, and Mr. Kasich is not alone in embracing it. Sen. Rick Santorum is fired up about using government power to help “blue-collar workers.” Gov. Mike Huckabeepassionately defends Social Security as it is. Sen. Marco Rubio has woven middle-class tax breaks and low-income handouts into his tax proposal. IfDonald Trump knew who the reformicons were, he’d probably say they were terrific.

Mr. Kasich is a happy-in-life-and-God conservative, and it makes him seem the optimist. Which is bizarre, because underpinning the entire compassionate-conservative movement is a glum surrender to the entitlement state. The left has won; all that remains is to argue that conservative big-government is better managed than liberal big-government. Note Mr. Kasich’s celebration that his poverty program is less bad than other poverty programs. Yay. It’s not really a winning message.

Of course, there is another approach to compassion. It’s the version made popular by Jack Kemp, and embraced by House Ways and Means ChairmanPaul Ryan—and a growing list of converts. It holds that there is nothing whatsoever compassionate about consigning low-income Americans to a government health-care system that delivers second-class outcomes. There’s nothing compassionate about making today’s working poor pay into a bleeding Social Security system or finance middle-class tax perks. There’s nothing compassionate about propping up a federally run poverty industrial-complex that spends most of its money on itself.

The Kemp-Ryan view knows that government is the problem, not the answer—not in any form. The answer is to devolve the money and power back to states and communities, where it can do the most good for the people who most need it. As a governor, Mr. Kasich ought to understand this argument better than most—especially given any number of smart state-level reforms he’s done to help underserved communities in Ohio.

Mr. Kasich has a mostly impressive conservative record. He has political skills. He has energy and optimism. Imagine if he were to apply all that to a Kemp-Ryan approach, to spreading the gospel of smaller government, in the name of helping those most vulnerable. He’d be a force to reckon with.

But that would involve repenting of his Medicaid mistake. Mr. Kasich might remember that it’s never too late to ask for forgiveness.

 

 

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-compassion-of-john-kasich-1440113389

 

 

 

 

[Sho Nuff 719]

Yet here you are, wanting and pining for more of the same, establishment republicans that are too scared of being blamed or called a racist to do the right thing.

 

We do not need some guy to get into the White House that is going to cave every chance he gets. I understand I am not going to agree with anyone 100% or even close, but some things are just too important. I have one concern, my son. He has to grow up and live in this country.

 

I, like many others, are focking sick and tired of this constant BS. All you have to do is look at the polls to see this. Guys bucking the system are on top.

 

Now, I also understand that will not last. I am sure the establishment will shut them all out at some point. But holy fock man, we MUST get a true conservative in there this time. It is detrimental and this guy is not it, not by a long shot. He better than focking Jeb, I will give him that, but that is as far as I will go at this point. Seen way too much stuff about this guy that scares the hell out of me. Just look at the liberals in this thread, they love this guy. THat should tell you all you need to know.

Because most people you think are so liberal...aren't all that far left.

 

We see a guy who can possibly be moderate enough to not run to the religious right on social issues, but still be conservative fiscally. Who won't necessarily get us caught up in huge costly wars in the ME.

 

People who don't like Hillary and don't go as far left as Bernie.

But don't want a crazy focker like Trump...or someone like Cruz or Bush either.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I do not have to register, I caucus with both sides. In fact, this year, the past two days, I have been caucusing in my local primaries with the democrats. I do not care about Republican or Democrat, I go with who I like or want. I am not confined to one party.

Well, in a way, you are. There is almost zero chance you will support a democrat nationally.

I agree, you aren't beholden completely to the republicans because they aren't conservative enough for you.

[hoytdwow 202]

The guy pocolts dreams about is 100% unelectable

[cbfalcon 824]

Gary, can you give us the thumbnail sketch of where the guy you want would fall on all of the current issues we've talked about?

[KSB2424 3,082]

Gary, can you give us the thumbnail sketch of where the guy you want would fall on all of the current issues we've talked about?

 

It's Ted Cruz.

[gocolts 300]

Well, in a way, you are. There is almost zero chance you will support a democrat nationally.

I agree, you aren't beholden completely to the republicans because they aren't conservative enough for you.

You might be surprised. In fact, if Jeb(And a few others) wins the nomination, I will likely vote for the democrat nominee. I am done with the establishment GOP. They have done nothing but burn me for over a decade.

 

I get it, there is no way I will agree with anyone on every issue, or even close to every issue. My problem with the GOP generally is not that they are not conservative enough for me, it is the "Elect us and will do X, Y and Z" only to see them cave first chance they get.

 

As far as a true conservative goes, I strongly believe that is the only way the GOP can win the presidency, especially after the last two Presidential elections. These middle of the roaders just hand the democrats the election by forcing the GOP base to stay home.

 

[Sho Nuff 719]

I think they had zero shot at Obama. The left was too energized and tabbing Palin sunk McCain.

 

I think a middle of the road guy can win against Hillary or Bernie.

[KSB2424 3,082]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/john-kasich-hunting-undocumented-immigrants-america/

 

Good Video. I suggest watching the video instead of reading the transcripts.

 

I'm All In.

 

Somebody with some common sense for once who not only points out whats wrong but actually articulates real life solutions (not just rhetoric).

 

Smart, Articulate, Empathetic, Grounded, Experienced, Trustworthy. What else do you want?

[The Moz 69]

I think they had zero shot at Obama. The left was too energized and tabbing Palin sunk McCain.

 

I think a middle of the road guy can win against Hillary or Bernie.

Sadly I think Trump could beat Bernie but would anyone win we would either get a nutcase or a socialist. Actually the more I think about it I think a Jeb / (Walker/Rubio/Kasich) ticket would beat Hillary and more than likely Biden and whoever. Hillary just has zero likability - Hillary should have ROLLED the 2008 primary as OBama had only 4 years in the Senate and other than a really good convention speech in 04 really did nothing of note. Hillary got killed. I just can't see her winning a campaign.

[gocolts 300]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/john-kasich-hunting-undocumented-immigrants-america/

 

Good Video. I suggest watching the video instead of reading the transcripts.

 

I'm All In.

 

Somebody with some common sense for once who not only points out whats wrong but actually articulates real life solutions (not just rhetoric).

 

Smart, Articulate, Empathetic, Grounded, Experienced, Trustworthy. What else do you want?

So glad this guy is at the bottom of the polls.

 

GOV. JOHN KASICH: Well, what do you think we’re going to do, go chasing them down, and put these big lights on top of cars and go into neighborhoods hunting them down?

Nope, fock this guy. We do not have to do anything even remotely close to this. He is grandstanding here. NO THANKS. This guy better not get anywhere near the GOP ticket or the Democrats will walk away with another win. In fact, the more I read and hear about this guy, the more I do not like.

[KSB2424 3,082]

So glad this guy is at the bottom of the polls.

He's polling 2nd at 11% in New Hampshire. Better than Cruz, Bush, everybody not named Trump.

[gocolts 300]

He's polling 2nd at 11% in New Hampshire. Better than Cruz, Bush, everybody not named Trump.

I was referring to the national polls.

[Frank M 181]

Gary, you should just nut up and admit you want Trump.

 

And watch the country spiral down the tubes even quicker if he's elected.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

Cruz is a total slime ball. I'm not sure how someone could miss that

[KSB2424 3,082]

All this rhetoric about what's "Establishment" who's anti-establishment etc is so stupid. Donald Trump was a Democrat before he is not a Republican. He's a GD con-man, a used car salesmen. Wise up folks. I thought the whole Trump thing was fun at first, and a joke, but people are actually taking him seriously? Holy Fock, America is dumber than I thought.

 

Y'all can take all your labels and throw them out the window. At the end of the day I want the smartest, the most experienced, the guy who can actually work with others, and a person with integrity and empathy. (Along with certain generally accepted republican ideals)

 

Donald Trump fits zero of those qualifiers.

Ted Cruz is smart, he's somewhat experienced, but lacks in the last three.

Ben Carson simply has never governed or ran anything in his life. I actually like the guy fine, but he needs more experience actually doing something in this field first. Then come back and talk to me.

 

John Kasich fits all of those qualifications. But since he's a moderate Republican somehow he is "The Establishment" now. Well it can be argued just the opposite. When you put the full roster of 15 GOP nominees in a list. Which one is unlike all the others exactly? It can be argued that answer is John Kasich.

[Voltaire 4,555]

Kasich isn't part of the establishment. He use to be but after Newt/Dole left, the borrow and spend morons took over. Anyone who wasn't math impared was gone.

[gocolts 300]

Gary, you should just nut up and admit you want Trump.

 

And watch the country spiral down the tubes even quicker if he's elected.

Because he is not my guy, not even close. Sorry .

[tanatastic 2,061]

If it aint news about Trump, I dont care.

[gocolts 300]

All this rhetoric about what's "Establishment" who's anti-establishment etc is so stupid. Donald Trump was a Democrat before he is not a Republican. He's a GD con-man, a used car salesmen. Wise up folks. I thought the whole Trump thing was fun at first, and a joke, but people are actually taking him seriously? Holy Fock, America is dumber than I thought.

 

Y'all can take all your labels and throw them out the window. At the end of the day I want the smartest, the most experienced, the guy who can actually work with others, and a person with integrity and empathy. (Along with certain generally accepted republican ideals)

 

Donald Trump fits zero of those qualifiers.

Ted Cruz is smart, he's somewhat experienced, but lacks in the last three.

Ben Carson simply has never governed or ran anything in his life. I actually like the guy fine, but he needs more experience actually doing something in this field first. Then come back and talk to me.

 

John Kasich fits all of those qualifications. But since he's a moderate Republican somehow he is "The Establishment" now. Well it can be argued just the opposite. When you put the full roster of 15 GOP nominees in a list. Which one is unlike all the others exactly? It can be argued that answer is John Kasich.

Complete BS. It is very clear to me you are completely lost on Cruz and have bought the media narrative on him. Look into it before you make up shtt please. Thanks. Dude has more integrity than probably anyone else running.

 

It is not stupid about the establishment. You love the establishment guys that lie their asses off to get elected. you do not have to drive that point home so damn hard, we get it.

 

The establishment has been focking us for decades and your guy here is a member whether you like it or not. Caving Kasich BLOWS. He is a BIG government guy that loves illegals, and obamacare. No focking thanks.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Complete BS. It is very clear to me you are completely lost on Cruz and have bought the media narrative on him. Look into it before you make up shtt please. Thanks. Dude has more integrity than probably anyone else running.

 

It is not stupid about the establishment. You love the establishment guys that lie their asses off to get elected. you do not have to drive that point home so damn hard, we get it.

 

The establishment has been focking us for decades and your guy here is a member whether you like it or not. Caving Kasich BLOWS. He is a BIG government guy that loves illegals, and obamacare. No focking thanks.

 

How is he a big government guy?

How does he "love" illegals?

And how does he "love" Obamacare?

 

I don't think Kasich is much of an "establishment" guy any more than Cruz would be.

Many that are "on the left" are looking for someone other than Hillary or Bernie to vote for. I don't think Cruz gets those people at all...the opposite actually. I think he pushes more of them further left. He would need to tab someone great for VP to not get slaughtered.

 

BTW...what is so appealing about Cruz?

And what I laugh is that so many talked about Obama's inexperience...but will support Cruz? A bit hypocritical no?

[gocolts 300]

 

How is he a big government guy?

How does he "love" illegals?

And how does he "love" Obamacare?

 

I don't think Kasich is much of an "establishment" guy any more than Cruz would be.

Many that are "on the left" are looking for someone other than Hillary or Bernie to vote for. I don't think Cruz gets those people at all...the opposite actually. I think he pushes more of them further left. He would need to tab someone great for VP to not get slaughtered.

 

BTW...what is so appealing about Cruz?

And what I laugh is that so many talked about Obama's inexperience...but will support Cruz? A bit hypocritical no?

Cruz has tons of experience. Just to name a couple things, he was Solicitor General of Texas for several years and been in the Senate for a while. Here are some BIG ones though. He has authored tons of SCOTUS briefs and presented oral arguments before the court on multiple occasions. Basically, the dude flat out knows the Constitution. THAT is just what we need after having so many ignore the Constitution for so long.

 

I do not give two shtts about what folks on the left claim or who they want the GOP to nominate. Been through that the last two presidential cycles hearing lefties claim they would vote for McCain or Romney since they were moderates. So I am not buying that anymore, not by a long shot. That is just something they say to get an easy victory for their party because they realize how stupid the GOP really is, they buy the same BS line every election. If they wanted a moderate, they would nominate one. Instead, they somehow convince the GOP that folks want a moderate and then vote radical liberal. I have learned my lesson on that nonsense about moderates. They can not win.

 

Kasich is a HUGE big government guy and loves to cut taxes while behind closed doors, increasing fees for all kinds of bullshtt to get his revenue for his big government. He is a phony. He expanded Medicaid in his state BIG TIME with Obamacare, so that proves he loves that program as well. Neither of those things are conservative an both are big government.

 

Illegals, look no further then this quote:

 

GOV. JOHN KASICH: Well, what do you think we’re going to do, go chasing them down, and put these big lights on top of cars and go into neighborhoods hunting them down?

 

Seen enough to know that means he wants them to stay and will do NOTHING about that problem and is not even remotely serious about doing ANYTHING about illegals. Sounds just like focking McConnell or Boehner there. Fock that shtt.

 

Cruz is a true conservative who would get the Hispanic vote. Anyone that pays attention knows that most legal Hispanics are not on board with the illegals. They are also moral religious folks, for the most part.

 

Cruz has talked the talk and walked the walk, introducing legislation and bucking the establishment non stop. A true conservative, which is why the GOP establishment guys hate him, which is VERY appealing.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

Kasich loves Obamacare he wants to get rid of it. Except for the medicaid expansion. Gocolts hates medicaid because only poor people like him are on it

[gocolts 300]

 

 

And what I laugh is that so many talked about Obama's inexperience...but will support Cruz? A bit hypocritical no?

 

I LOL when I see folks say that Trump has no experience because most of them voted for Obama.

[gocolts 300]

Kasich loves Obamacare he wants to get rid of it. Except for the medicaid expansion. Gocolts hates medicaid because only poor people like him are on it

GFY. You have been wrong about EVERYTHING in this thread. I am NOT on Medicaid jackass, I was thrown off when Obamacare went into effect, which is one reason why my costs have went up so much. I really wish you would stop addressing me at all in these threads because ALL you do is troll.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

 

I LOL when I see folks say that Trump has no experience because most of them voted for Obama.

I must have missed where Trump was a US Senator and a state senator and a former constitutional law professor and head of the Harvard Law Review

 

[gocolts 300]

Kasich loves Obamacare he wants to get rid of it. Except for the medicaid expansion. Gocolts hates medicaid because only poor people like him are on it

You would have to be a complete idiot to think Kasich would even consider getting rid of Obamacare, which is one reason I am not surprised you believe it.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

GFY. You have been wrong about EVERYTHING in this thread. I am NOT on Medicaid jackass, I was thrown off when Obamacare went into effect, which is one reason why my costs have went up so much. I really wish you would stop addressing me at all in these threads because ALL you do is troll.

Not trolling at all, just pointing out how misinformed you are.

 

Kasich doesn't love Obamacare. Also there is virtually no way you were "thrown off" medicaid due to Obamacare since obamacare EXPANDED Medicaid eligibility, at least in states that accepted the expansion.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

You would have to be a complete idiot to think Kasich would even consider getting rid of Obamacare, which is one reason I am not surprised you believe it.

I doubt he would get rid of it because basically nobody could at this point. It's here to stay.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

GFY. You have been wrong about EVERYTHING in this thread. I am NOT on Medicaid jackass, I was thrown off when Obamacare went into effect, which is one reason why my costs have went up so much. I really wish you would stop addressing me at all in these threads because ALL you do is troll.

Could you please explain how you got thrown off Medicaid? Were you forced to buy your own insurance? Thanks.

[gocolts 300]

Could you please explain how you got thrown off Medicaid? Were you forced to buy your own insurance? Thanks.

Indiana Medicaid. Last year, according to the new healthcare guidelines, I make too much money to qualify for Medicaid. I still have Medicare, so it is not the end of the world for me, but my costs have increased since Medicaid paid quite a bit.

[gocolts 300]

Not trolling at all, just pointing out how misinformed you are.

 

Kasich doesn't love Obamacare. Also there is virtually no way you were "thrown off" medicaid due to Obamacare since obamacare EXPANDED Medicaid eligibility, at least in states that accepted the expansion.

It expanded it for folks with zero income or close to it. ANYONE who makes much of anything is taking it in the ass and you know it. How about you stop with the constant trolling with me at least, thanks.

[IGotWorms 3,302]

It expanded it for folks with zero income or close to it. ANYONE who makes much of anything is taking it in the ass and you know it. How about you stop with the constant trolling with me at least, thanks.

I'm not trolling. In fact I am beginning to suspect you don't know what that word means. It doesn't mean someone disagrees with you often.

[gocolts 300]

I'm not trolling. In fact I am beginning to suspect you don't know what that word means. It doesn't mean someone disagrees with you often.

It is the way you address me that gives me that impression. Perhaps I am misreading you and perhaps some of your trolling is coming out. Let's just be civil is all I ask bro. No need to insult me every time you post something to me.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

It expanded it for folks with zero income or close to it. ANYONE who makes much of anything is taking it in the ass and you know it. How about you stop with the constant trolling with me at least, thanks.

Well, why should someone who is capable of paying for their own insurance have the government pay for it? I think Ted Cruz would agree with that.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Cruz has tons of experience. Just to name a couple things, he was Solicitor General of Texas for several years and been in the Senate for a while. Here are some BIG ones though. He has authored tons of SCOTUS briefs and presented oral arguments before the court on multiple occasions. Basically, the dude flat out knows the Constitution. THAT is just what we need after having so many ignore the Constitution for so long.

 

I do not give two shtts about what folks on the left claim or who they want the GOP to nominate. Been through that the last two presidential cycles hearing lefties claim they would vote for McCain or Romney since they were moderates. So I am not buying that anymore, not by a long shot. That is just something they say to get an easy victory for their party because they realize how stupid the GOP really is, they buy the same BS line every election. If they wanted a moderate, they would nominate one. Instead, they somehow convince the GOP that folks want a moderate and then vote radical liberal. I have learned my lesson on that nonsense about moderates. They can not win.

 

Kasich is a HUGE big government guy and loves to cut taxes while behind closed doors, increasing fees for all kinds of bullshtt to get his revenue for his big government. He is a phony. He expanded Medicaid in his state BIG TIME with Obamacare, so that proves he loves that program as well. Neither of those things are conservative an both are big government.

 

Illegals, look no further then this quote:

 

 

Seen enough to know that means he wants them to stay and will do NOTHING about that problem and is not even remotely serious about doing ANYTHING about illegals. Sounds just like focking McConnell or Boehner there. Fock that shtt.

 

Cruz is a true conservative who would get the Hispanic vote. Anyone that pays attention knows that most legal Hispanics are not on board with the illegals. They are also moral religious folks, for the most part.

 

Cruz has talked the talk and walked the walk, introducing legislation and bucking the establishment non stop. A true conservative, which is why the GOP establishment guys hate him, which is VERY appealing.

 

Cruz has marginally more experience than Obama did. Bucking the establishment...thats pretty funny. Seems he runs in line with the far right of the party.

He won't get the hispanic vote...at least not enough of it.

 

You keep saying Kasich is big government...with zero to back that up.

He expanded Medicaid using Obamacare...does not mean he loves the program. He said he wants to repeal it...but did what he thought was right for his state at the time. I actually respect him more for that (though, not the repeal part...because I think that is a step in the wrong direction...tweak, improve and so on, but spending time and money on repealing would cost a ton)

 

McCain was screwed by 2 things...Palin, and the crap people thought about him after Rove got a hold of him 8 years earlier. Add in the left being energized by Obama and had zero shot. Romney was the sacrificial lamb...never had a shot and I wouldn't even vote for him. Hardly a real moderate either.

 

The quote you had on illegals is your problem? Do you want them to hunt people down in neighborhoods like that?

 

haha

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

I LOL when I see folks say that Trump has no experience because most of them voted for Obama.

 

Obama Trump does have no experience...he is a joke.

I never voted for Obama. (McCain and Gary Johnson).

Sorry.

 

 

Edit...that was supposed to say trump.