Somebody drug test Greg Hardy

[cbfalcon 827]

<Big Ben and bathroom stall words>

 

Totally different.

 

Big Ben is just a fun loving guy that was having a good time. Even if that chick claims she didn't want him in her vagina, enough other woman do to make that accuser's claims questionable..................On the other hand, have you ever seen a clipboard actually willingly get knocked to the ground? I haven't. It always takes someone or something forcing the clipboard to the ground.

[Cruzer 1,996]

No, incorrect. He was convicted by a judge but due to a quirk in the NC laws, has the right to request a trial again, this time by jury. In between then the only witness, the victim, left on the night train with a sh-load of money in her pocket and since the defendant has the right to face his accuser, pretty much took away all justification for a case. If this happens in almost any other state, it goes to appeal and because evidence in the form of testimony would already be on file, it could be used with or without the witness. This is a freakin judicial do-over compliments of some back asswards law in the statutes that almost no other state has.

The "quirk" in the state of NC is that they go immediately to a judge for hearing of innocence or guilt. Most states go to a trial and jurors determine the guilt or innocence of an accused instead of 1 person... Hardy asked for his and granted that right... As far as only witness - there should of been physical evidence (photos, medical reports) of said attack to collaborate her claim. As you would suspect there would be if one was indeed beaten to hell by a 6'4" NFL lineman. Yet - there was none - least none found by the Mecklendberg DA.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Funny that all of those guys are all on the same team. Johnathan Dwyer had something similar happen and he was jettisoned so fast it was crazy. The difference? The talent of those players makes a rich but morally bankrupt owner look the other way.

Not funny at all - more a point in practicality. I chose those bcoz falcon is a Cowboys fan - these are players he has (or had) a connection to. If I had named a person from the 74' Bears or 81' Browns - he prolly wouldn't give a shiat.

[R8RMick 242]

Google-

 

"Greg Hardy Trouble"

 

I did, when it was rumored the Raiders might grab him.

 

Went through TEN pages of google search. Other than the problem with the girlfriend, the only, and repeat ONLY, snippet of any trouble in Hardy's LIFE was a fine for hitting RGIII late.

 

The narrative in this thread just doesn't hold water.

[giraldi02 476]

Google-

 

"Greg Hardy Trouble"

 

I did, when it was rumored the Raiders might grab him.

 

Went through TEN pages of google search. Other than the problem with the girlfriend, the only, and repeat ONLY, snippet of any trouble in Hardy's LIFE was a fine for hitting RGIII late.

 

The narrative in this thread just doesn't hold water.

 

 

Google "Ray Rice Trouble"

[jgcrawfish 232]

<Big Ben and bathroom stall words>

Slight difference. Never even had charges brought against him. And has never been in trouble since. I'm not making light of what Ben may have done and/or the situation he got his dumbass into, but Hardy and Roethlisberger are in very different situations.

[cbfalcon 827]

Slight difference. Never even had charges brought against him. And has never been in trouble since. I'm not making light of what Ben may have done and/or the situation he got his dumbass into, but Hardy and Roethlisberger are in very different situations.

I'm with you completely. Ben hasnt been in any trouble since he committed rape, whereas Hardy knocked a clipboard to the ground since he throw that chick onto a couch.

 

Hardy, and anyone that would yell and knock down a clip board during a football game needs to be out of the league. Can't believe these owners keep signing these jerks.

[R8RMick 242]

 

 

Google "Ray Rice Trouble"

 

Respectfully, I'm not one to lather on the insults here, but that was a fairly ignorant response. Let's stay on target, no pun intended. If on video Greg Hardy had cold-cocked his girlfriend in an elevator, then dragged her ass caveman style into the hotel hallway, he would be out of the league as well.

[NewbieJr 541]

The best part is Steven Jones and Garrett defending his actions and calling him passionate and a leader. Lol. What an enabling organization. Can't wait to see how this plays out now that Hardy realizes he runs the team and everyone is scared of him.

[FeelingMN 273]

Guys, Greg Hardy is just really misunderstood. He's really a big teddy bear. Just a sensitive poet type. There's absolutely nothing wrong with him. Crack hoars and assistant coaches are who we should be blaming for all this. They're the ones who have issues, not Hardy.

 

This is really no big deal. So much so that I will probably post another 12 times today in this thread telling you how insignificant this really is.

[giraldi02 476]

Respectfully, I'm not one to lather on the insults here, but that was a fairly ignorant response. Let's stay on target, no pun intended. If on video Greg Hardy had cold-cocked his girlfriend in an elevator, then dragged her ass caveman style into the hotel hallway, he would be out of the league as well.

Your comment to which I alluded was no different. Paint it all the colors you want, but you know exactly what you were saying. Its one blemish on an otherwise squeaky clean résumé. That the jist of it?

 

Fact is, it doesn't matter whether it was once, ten, or twenty times. Hardy is a convicted domestic abuser. I have zero tolerance for that. Zero. None. I've seen the ugliness of this for too many years of my life. The defending of this guy and shaming of the victim is Baltimore Ravens-esque. Obviously its a bored and there are trolls..but nonetheless its dumb.

 

And in case you or others don't know...if you do it once, chances are you'll do it again.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Ray Rice isn't in the league first and foremost because he is a 30 something washed up Running Back in a pass happy NFL. The season before his incident, Rice sucked and showed his decline. If Ray Rice was 26 years old and in his prime, he'd be starting for an NFL team right now. The abuse stuff is secondary. So lets stop with the silly comparisons.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I'm with you completely. Ben hasnt been in any trouble since he committed rape, whereas Hardy knocked a clipboard to the ground since he throw that chick onto a couch.

 

Hardy, and anyone that would yell and knock down a clip board during a football game needs to be out of the league. Can't believe these owners keep signing these jerks.

That's funny, because if you do a search for "Roethlisberger arrested" you won't find anything, mostly because he's never been charged with anything. That doesn't reflect whether he did the act or not, only that there was never enough to even charge him.

 

Hardy was charged, tried and CONVICTED. But it's ok, you're a Cowgirls apologist, just like your morally bankrupt owner and his muppet coach. It's your team and as long as he produces that's what's important. All that Greg Hardy has helped them accomplish is 2-4. I hope they keep him, I like watching them implode.

 

[Bobbyn2022 53]

He doesn't deserve to play in the NFL. He should be in jail IMO. What a child SMH...Cancer for sure.

[R8RMick 242]

Your comment to which I alluded was no different. Paint it all the colors you want, but you know exactly what you were saying. Its one blemish on an otherwise squeaky clean résumé. That the jist of it?

 

Fact is, it doesn't matter whether it was once, ten, or twenty times. Hardy is a convicted domestic abuser. I have zero tolerance for that. Zero. None. I've seen the ugliness of this for too many years of my life. The defending of this guy and shaming of the victim is Baltimore Ravens-esque. Obviously its a bored and there are trolls..but nonetheless its dumb.

 

And in case you or others don't know...if you do it once, chances are you'll do it again.

 

I'm not insensitive to the subject, but are we going to ban the guy for life and keep him from making a living? He was acquitted by the legal system. Period. I don't condone abuse of any sort, and yes I do have my doubts as to the veracity of this case. I watched Kobe Bryant almost have his life ruined by a not-so-virtuous admirer. Again, I don't condone hitting women. But folks here are acting like he's a perennial maniac, and all I've claimed is other than this episode dude has nothing on his record going back to pee-wee football.

 

This sideline comedy Sunday should've been handled internally in the locker room.

[giraldi02 476]

I'm not insensitive to the subject, but are we going to ban the guy for life and keep him from making a living? He was acquitted by the legal system. Period. I don't condone abuse of any sort, and yes I do have my doubts as to the veracity of this case. I watched Kobe Bryant almost have his life ruined by a not-so-virtuous admirer. Again, I don't condone hitting women. But folks here are acting like he's a perennial maniac, and all I've claimed is other than this episode dude has nothing on his record going back to pee-wee football.

 

This sideline comedy Sunday should've been handled internally in the locker room.

 

While I have seen those that HAVE advocated for this, I have not nor will I. I am a firm believer in rehabilitation. I said the same about Michael Vick despite my utmost disdain for the man and his actions.

 

My problem with Hardy is that of all professional sports. Talent trumps external factors. Me alluding to Ray Rice was not a comparison of both Hardy and Rice, but a general outlier for the way professional sports have always been. If an athlete can still perform athletically, teams will continue to pay him or her (Brittney Griner or Hope Solo) and look the other way. It's a disturbing trend, but I'm not shocked at it.

 

My problem with Hardy, Rice, Vick, or anyone else advocating for the guy BECAUSE he can still do what he can do. I don't give a damn if someone is a Dallas Cowboys fan and wants their team to succeed. That's what I expect. But to see people try and defend his actions like their on his defense team is beyond my comprehension.

 

You can still be a Cowboys fan, a Phoenix Mercury fan, a Team USA fan and root for Hardy, Griner, or Solo to help the team. But maybe people should take a good long look at themselves when they're actually trying to audition for the Next Top Lawyer and defend/deny the actions of these scumbags.

[Cruzer 1,996]

But to see people try and defend his actions like their on his defense team is beyond my comprehension.

Fine... but can we at least wait until he does something more than slapping a clipboard or being late to a meeting before we string him up and burn him at the stake? The media is acting as if he pulled a Bowie knife on the Special Teams coach, slashed his neck and then jumped into the stands chasing children.

[R8RMick 242]

 

While I have seen those that HAVE advocated for this, I have not nor will I. I am a firm believer in rehabilitation. I said the same about Michael Vick despite my utmost disdain for the man and his actions.

 

My problem with Hardy is that of all professional sports. Talent trumps external factors. Me alluding to Ray Rice was not a comparison of both Hardy and Rice, but a general outlier for the way professional sports have always been. If an athlete can still perform athletically, teams will continue to pay him or her (Brittney Griner or Hope Solo) and look the other way. It's a disturbing trend, but I'm not shocked at it.

 

My problem with Hardy, Rice, Vick, or anyone else advocating for the guy BECAUSE he can still do what he can do. I don't give a damn if someone is a Dallas Cowboys fan and wants their team to succeed. That's what I expect. But to see people try and defend his actions like their on his defense team is beyond my comprehension.

 

You can still be a Cowboys fan, a Phoenix Mercury fan, a Team USA fan and root for Hardy, Griner, or Solo to help the team. But maybe people should take a good long look at themselves when they're actually trying to audition for the Next Top Lawyer and defend/deny the actions of these scumbags.

 

Great points. I'm no guardhouse lawyer, but I did research the Hardy case in lieu of his possibly signing with my Raiders. By the way Mark Davis rejected him with approval from most Raider fans myself not included. There were just inconsistencies that led me personally to believe perhaps there was more to it. I referenced the Kobe Bryant case as an example, though Kobe was never convicted outside of public opinion.

 

Getting back to point- Ray Rice punched a woman in the face in front of America. BIG difference than the he-said she-said of the Hardy case.

[giraldi02 476]

Great points. I'm no guardhouse lawyer, but I did research the Hardy case in lieu of his possibly signing with my Raiders. By the way Mark Davis rejected him with approval from most Raider fans myself not included. There were just inconsistencies that led me personally to believe perhaps there was more to it.

 

The Raiders not signing Hardy was the very definition of turning the page on their past. 15 years ago, that dude would already be collaborating with Ice Cube on a Raiders album. Mark Davis is quietly turning that franchise around in a big way. Avoiding some of those types of players is a big reason why IMHO

[KSB2424 3,174]

Can we please stop pretending like Professional athletes and Professional Leagues are the guiding light of morality for all of America?

 

These are entertainers, playing a sport to .....entertain the masses. No different than a rock star, a hip hop icon, or a movie star. As long as the song is good, or the movie kicks ass I'm going to watch and enjoy.

 

I'll let the criminal justice system handle the illegal activity and the league itself to handle the sports aspect of what's illegal (i.e. steroids). Other than that can we stop being all fake outraged about stuff like yelling at a teammate or hitting a clip board?

[giraldi02 476]

Other than that can we stop being all fake outraged about stuff like yelling at a teammate or hitting a clip board?

 

Anyone getting mad about Hardy yelling at a teammate is delusional. Tom Brady does that stuff nearly every week.

 

His antics towards the coach, while not deserving of the overblown criticism, is definitely something to keep an eye on. It's one thing to have an argument with a coach. But Hardy appeared to want to get physical. Again, we don't know what was actually being said...but it's a bit disconcerting to see a player have to be pulled away from a coach by numerous teammates.

 

It's also something that is going to come with the territory of rostering this guy. Just the same as the religious fanatics follow Tebow, PETA follows Vick, MADD followed Donte Stallworth...those that have a preconceived notion of Hardy are going to be a traveling circus outside the Cowboys for the duration of his tenure there. This is merely the beginning of their flaming.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Can we please stop pretending like Professional athletes and Professional Leagues are the guiding light of morality for all of America?

 

These are entertainers, playing a sport to .....entertain the masses. No different than a rock star, a hip hop icon, or a movie star. As long as the song is good, or the movie kicks ass I'm going to watch and enjoy.

 

I'll let the criminal justice system handle the illegal activity and the league itself to handle the sports aspect of what's illegal (i.e. steroids). Other than that can we stop being all fake outraged about stuff like yelling at a teammate or hitting a clip board?

I got into a discussion with a fellow Cowboys fan y-day. He fancies himself somewhat of a 'righteous' fan. What he really is, is a hypocrite - as are most fans.

 

Back in the day he cheered for Landry's Cowboys - never mind we had a woman beater in H. Martin, coke heads in Bob Hayes and Hollywood Henderson and a child molester in R. Septien. He didn't scream for their heads bcoz we were winning... Back in the 90's the team had a secret pad they bought and called the White House where drugs, hookers and Gawd knows what else went on there.

And never mind M. Irvin almost killed E. McIver by stabbing him in the neck and never mind E. Williams almost killed himself in a drunk driving accident - he cheered for those teams bcoz they were winning SBs left and right....... But by Gawd - this Hardy guy is an out of control monster, slapping clipboards on the sideline. Jesus - the humanity, he must go!

 

Most of these guys come from nothing. Raised in hell holes the well-to-do like to pretend don't exist. But they are coddled and pass along the chain bcoz of a freakish God given talent - a talent to play a sport for the sole purpose of entertaining us. Millions and millions are tossed at them, fast cars and girls - then they slip up and act like they basically have their whole lives, we gasp and pretend to be appalled. It's crazy.

[PATSSOX 22]

Someone should drug test Jerry Jones. If anyone still needed a reason as to why the Cowboys havent done damn thing in the last 10+ years just listen to the interview where Jones says Hardy is leader and his teammates respect him for his this type of sh!t

 

 

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Someone should drug test Jerry Jones. If anyone still needed a reason as to why the Cowboys havent done damn thing in the last 10+ years just listen to the interview where Jones says Hardy is leader and his teammates respect him for his this type of sh!t

 

 

 

The Cowboys don't care about a guy's character. If Hardy continues sacking the quarterback, they wouldn't care if he shot and killed someone new every day.

[Kent 228]

I think what we've learned is that without a doubt he terrorized his ex girlfriend. He's a psychopath.

[the newb 23]

I think what we've learned is that without a doubt he terrorized his ex girlfriend.

Run that by me again?

[brotherbock 349]

I think we are seeing the maturation of Dez. It wasn't too long ago when Dez was a rookie and refused to carry the veterans pads as a part of hazing that every team does to rookies. Back then Dez was far from a team player but I think he has changed. Listening to his press conferences and watching his actions I don't think Dez is the same player he was in the past.

I'm no Cowboys fan, but I've followed Dez's career ever since that pads incident with Roy Williams. To me, that's my kind of guy. It doesn't indicate he's not a team player at all. His comment when he refused to carry Roy's pads was "I'm not here to carry pads, I'm here to play football." The subtext is that it was very clear that Dez was drafted to take Roy's job, and Dez wasn't going to put up with crap. It wasn't an indication that he wasn't about the team, it was an indication that he was there to help win games, not 'play games' Frankly, I think all that rookie hazing crap isn't about team building at all anyway.

 

But, that incident aside, the outbursts we've seen from Dez on the sidelines, to hear everyone else talk about them, have always been of the "come on guys, we're better than this" variety, and not the "you suck because you blew that play" variety.

 

As a longtime Packer fan who is always happy to see the Cowboys lose, I really don't think we've seen Dez being immature since entering the league. That said, I've followed his on field career, maybe there's stuff that people in Dallas know about off the field that I don't. And maybe there's something early on that I'm forgetting.

 

The guy's passionate, but team oriented at the same time. That's my take on Dez. Very different from Hardy.

[cbfalcon 827]

I'm no Cowboys fan, but I've followed Dez's career ever since that pads incident with Roy Williams. To me, that's my kind of guy. It doesn't indicate he's not a team player at all. His comment when he refused to carry Roy's pads was "I'm not here to carry pads, I'm here to play football." The subtext is that it was very clear that Dez was drafted to take Roy's job, and Dez wasn't going to put up with crap. It wasn't an indication that he wasn't about the team, it was an indication that he was there to help win games, not 'play games' Frankly, I think all that rookie hazing crap isn't about team building at all anyway.

 

But, that incident aside, the outbursts we've seen from Dez on the sidelines, to hear everyone else talk about them, have always been of the "come on guys, we're better than this" variety, and not the "you suck because you blew that play" variety.

 

As a longtime Packer fan who is always happy to see the Cowboys lose, I really don't think we've seen Dez being immature since entering the league. That said, I've followed his on field career, maybe there's stuff that people in Dallas know about off the field that I don't. And maybe there's something early on that I'm forgetting.

 

The guy's passionate, but team oriented at the same time. That's my take on Dez. Very different from Hardy.

You are on the right track.

 

I remember a year or two ago, in a game Dallas was struggling in, FOX cutting to Dez going irate on the sidelines and to he announcers and media went nuts saying he is clearly complaining about not getting the ball and how you can't have a guy like that on a team.

 

Then a few days later, the audio of the same footage was released. But of course, not many saw or heard that. But they remmeber Dez going nuts.

 

One of the more dominant storylines from Sunday was what appeared to be Dez Bryant ranting and raving on the Cowboys sideline after not getting the ball on one of Dallas possessions. His behavior inspired plenty of criticism and it appears that criticism was largely misguided.

 

It looks like Dez is furious he's not getting enough passes thrown his way. Based on the new video, it doesn't seem quite like that. Bryant's simply engaging in a sideline conversation about how to play the Lions defense, only he's doing it with REALLY LOUD [bLEEPING] NOISES.

 

The reaction from the Cowboys was surprisingly unified after their loss, with Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones all getting behind Dez. Bryant himself and his passion as "always positive."

 

My passion is always positive, Bryant said. "It's always positive. It's going to remain the same way. I'm not saying anything wrong. I'm not saying anything bad. It's all positive. That's just what it is.

 

Turns out he was right. At one point , Bryant was sitting near Romo and popped up and -- while gesticulating wildly -- that he and Romo were an amazing wideout-quarterback tandem.

 

"We good on that, Tony!" Bryant screamed to Romo. "We the best in the NFL on that. We the best in the NFL!"

 

[Cruzer 1,996]

I think what we've learned is that without a doubt he terrorized his ex girlfriend. He's a psychopath.

Bcoz he got pissed over his team giving right back up the tie breaking kickoff return and slapping a clipboard?

 

I think all we've learned is that you might not be very bright.

[brotherbock 349]

Bcoz he got pissed over his team giving right back up the tie breaking kickoff return and slapping a clipboard?

 

I think all we've learned is that you might not be very bright.

I'm not going to say Kent is right, but the slapping a clipboard needs to be clear: slapping a clipboard *out of a coach's hand*. If he's a third string guy, you cut him straight up for that, imo. A first string guy still needs to be disciplined.

[giraldi02 476]

http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634

 

Human Trash.

[jgcrawfish 232]

http://deadspin.com/this-is-why-nfl-star-greg-hardy-was-arrested-for-assaul-1739117634

 

Human Trash.

 

Saw it on Sports Center. She should have stuck around and let them convict him again. Then filed civil suit against and gotten the same check.

[giraldi02 476]

 

Saw it on Sports Center. She should have stuck around and let them convict him again. Then filed civil suit against and gotten the same check.

 

 

I agree. Unfortunately, as I've seen in my lifetime, it seems very difficult for the abused to ever fully commit to those actions. While my anger towards the NFL/Cowboys organization is at full mast...

 

Again I look at this situation and the Ray Rice situation and I put full blame on the states. How these people can see the sun each day without being in shackles is beyond me. Utterly disgusting. And now the entire world gets to see his ugly mug on prime time national tv. I bet the folks working at the NFL are already counting their money for the high ratings.

[Big Guy 1,427]

 

Totally different.

 

Big Ben is just a fun loving guy that was having a good time. Even if that chick claims she didn't want him in her vagina, enough other woman do to make that accuser's claims questionable..................On the other hand, have you ever seen a clipboard actually willingly get knocked to the ground? I haven't. It always takes someone or something forcing the clipboard to the ground.

 

C'mon Man......it's a focking clipboard! .......you & Newbs with this clipboard obsession.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I miss all the back and forth on fftoday.

 

And Hardy is a complete POS.....that I would love to see in a Seahawks uniform.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

C'mon Man......it's a focking clipboard! .......you & Newbs with this clipboard obsession.

You're an idiot. He slapped it out of the coach's hand and then shoved him. He also shoved Devin Street when he tried to calm him down. And then Garrett and Jones call him a passionate leader. Lolol.

Your team doesn't care about anything except trying to win. Hardy could rape a 5 year old and Jones and Garrett would defend him. They're sickening and you Dallas fans are just as bad.

[Big Guy 1,427]

You're an idiot. He slapped it out of the coach's hand and then shoved him. He also shoved Devin Street when he tried to calm him down. And then Garrett and Jones call him a passionate leader. Lolol.

Your team doesn't care about anything except trying to win. Hardy could rape a 5 year old and Jones and Garrett would defend him. They're sickening and you Dallas fans are just as bad.

 

um no........and it's still just a clip board

[Kent 228]

He attacked the clip board and then tried to rape the coach.

 

We know he did horrible things to that girlfriend.

[Big Guy 1,427]

He attacked the clip board and then tried to rape the coach.

 

 

[cbfalcon 827]

You're an idiot. He slapped it out of the coach's hand and then shoved him. He also shoved Devin Street when he tried to calm him down. And then Garrett and Jones call him a passionate leader. Lolol.

Your team doesn't care about anything except trying to win. Hardy could rape a 5 year old and Jones and Garrett would defend him. They're sickening and you Dallas fans are just as bad.

I'm with you. If players are going to yell and shove each other, they shouldn't be on rosters. This isn't the damn state penitentiary.