Liberals are Losing the Culture Wars

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

How do you know for certain this picture is incorrect? Based on your own assumptions?

 

To me it helps explain (in part) why and how this is happening:

 

Your quoted could have been a good thread. I think it's the result of the perception that democrats have all the power with Obama in the White House (so a need to counterbalance felt by the electorate) with a smidge of gerrymandering.

[parrot 789]

 

Something ain't jiving. You keep saying "they" and "their" as if the party is unified in the same beliefs. All the while in the same paragraph speak to how the party is fractured. That doesn't make sense.

 

We agree, the GOP today is fractured within. You have the hardliners, the establishment, the tea party, the libertarian wing, etc. And while this causes confusion - disruption - angst - which are all negatives.....what it also does is challenge the individuals of the party and for them to question themselves. It also hopefully gives people pause to ask what he the people, the electorate, really want. Sometimes arguing is good, you get to root causes and you understand one another better. Opposed to surrounding yourself with a bunch of "YES" Men.

 

It's a different take. It is a spin, but spin that has merit.

I keep saying "they" and "their" because they are a party, that's kinda how the whole deal works.

 

I'm all for people questioning and challenging, but the only real challenging I see happening in the GOP is the least "ideologically flexible" elements challenging the other elemenets to be more in step with them, and apparently succeeding. So yes, that makes them divided and fractured, but it doesn't make them "ideologically flexible". The challenge being issued is to be more ideologically INflexible.

[Voltaire 5,491]

When the trannies, socialists, parasites, and Thug Lives Matter crowd get too annoying to hang out with anymore, maybe the fundies, chickenhawks, tax dodgers, and polluters will start smelling less bad.

[KSB2424 3,174]

When the trannies, socialists, parasites, and Thug Lives Matter crowd get too annoying to hang out with anymore, maybe the fundies, chickenhawks, tax dodgers, and polluters will start smelling less bad.

 

In your own way, this is sort of the point.

 

Culture Wars and social issues sometimes swing like a pendulum and normally over time balance in the middle. The past few years that pendulum has swung to far left and the push back is a form of a culture war correction. The majority, by way of recent elections and voting is saying enough is enough.

 

Marraige between gheys?....ho hum okay fine whatever I'll just sort of ignore. Transgender men in Womens restrooms as some sort of law? Enough - Pushback - voter turnout.

 

Medical Weed and a slight reduction in drug laws? Okay sure....ho um okay fine whatever. Legalized weed for all? Enough- Pushback- voter turnout.

 

Legalized Abortion? okay fine whatever, hopeully its not celebrated though. Oh but we have to use tax money to do it? And we can't make it highly regulated? And you are pushing to actually get abortions so you can sell fetus's for cash? Enough - Pushback- voter turnout.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

When the trannies, socialists, parasites, and Thug Lives Matter crowd get too annoying to hang out with anymore, maybe the fundies, chickenhawks, tax dodgers, and polluters will start smelling less bad.

When a 150 year old battle flag becomes a hot-button issue for your side. You may need to check yourself. The wackjobs are now in control.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

In your own way, this is sort of the point.

 

Culture Wars and social issues sometimes swing like a pendulum and normally over time balance in the middle. The past few years that pendulum has swung to far left and the push back is a form of a culture war correction. The majority, by way of recent elections and voting is saying enough is enough.

 

Marraige between gheys?....ho hum okay fine whatever I'll just sort of ignore. Transgender men in Womens restrooms as some sort of law? Enough - Pushback - voter turnout.

 

Medical Weed and a slight reduction in drug laws? Okay sure....ho um okay fine whatever. Legalized weed for all? Enough- Pushback- voter turnout.

 

Legalized Abortion? okay fine whatever, hopeully its not celebrated though. Oh but we have to use tax money to do it? And we can't make it highly regulated? And you are pushing to actually get abortions so you can sell fetus's for cash? Enough - Pushback- voter turnout.

The right wing is a disciplined, well funded, competent political force.

 

But on the big social issues, they are fighting a rearguard action against the tide of history.

 

Has the wacko left gone too far in some instances? Sure. And can the middle and right roll those excesses back? I hope so.

 

But the right is playing defense. Their agenda has no chance of long term sucess. The battle has long since been on their land.

[KSB2424 3,174]

When a 150 year old battle flag becomes a hot-button issue for your side. You may need to check yourself. The wackjobs are now in control.

 

Good example. Enough is Enough for the majority.

 

I think most people if the push was to simply not fly that flag on the South Carolina Gov't building it would be an issue for the extreme right, but the majority wouldn't push back. It'd be ho-hum.

 

But no, that is not enough. The General Lee must be taken off the air, Monuments must be renamed or defaced......the pendulum swung to far. And you are seeing pushback from the majority saying enough is enough.

[NewbieJr 541]

I think the liberals are running away with the culture war.

 

Gay marriage? Done deal. Abortion? Been established law for forty years and ain't changing. Confederate flag? Gone. Marijuana? Slowly becoming legal.

 

I mean they are getting far enough down on the list to argue about transgendered issues.

 

Meanwhile the right is still whining about the same sh!t they've been whining about for forty years.

 

The only issue the right has been able to hold the line on is gun control. That's it.

exactly. That marijuana act would have passed easily if not for the monopoly and greed involved (which is a conservative thing). If the "culture war" was a prize fight, the ref would have stopped it by now. The liberals have laid an ass whooping of late.

[parrot 789]

The right wing is a disciplined, well funded, competent political force.

 

But on the big social issues, they are fighting a rearguard action against the tide of history.

 

Has the wacko left gone too far in some instances? Sure. And can the middle and right roll those excesses back? I hope so.

 

But the right is playing defense. Their agenda has no chance of long term sucess. The battle has long since been on their land.

[Frank M 181]

When a 150 year old battle flag becomes a hot-button issue for your side. You may need to check yourself. The wackjobs are now in control.

 

When Democrats try to shut down government over social issues, the comparison will become valid. Don't hold your breath waiting.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

In your own way, this is sort of the point.

 

Culture Wars and social issues sometimes swing like a pendulum and normally over time balance in the middle. The past few years that pendulum has swung to far left and the push back is a form of a culture war correction. The majority, by way of recent elections and voting is saying enough is enough.

 

Marraige between gheys?....ho hum okay fine whatever I'll just sort of ignore. Transgender men in Womens restrooms as some sort of law? Enough - Pushback - voter turnout.

 

Medical Weed and a slight reduction in drug laws? Okay sure....ho um okay fine whatever. Legalized weed for all? Enough- Pushback- voter turnout.

 

Legalized Abortion? okay fine whatever, hopeully its not celebrated though. Oh but we have to use tax money to do it? And we can't make it highly regulated? And you are pushing to actually get abortions so you can sell fetus's for cash? Enough - Pushback- voter turnout.

Were democrats running on trannies and pot? I must've missed that

[Frank M 181]

Were democrats running on trannies and pot? I must've missed that

 

KSB completely disregarded the real reason legalized marijuana was defeated in Ohio to prove his point.

 

Fail.

 

[Big Guy 1,421]

Liberals are Losing the Culture Wars

 

 

 

 

I disagree......they've turned this Country from an upstanding religious one to Vegas within the last few of years.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

 

KSB completely disregarded the real reason legalized marijuana was defeated in Ohio to prove his point.

 

Fail.

 

Not really, it failed because of fracturing within those that support it. Which is what this whole thread and the Atlantic article is really about.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

Why is it a culture war and not a culture compromise. Is it because both sides are too dumb to compromise on anything?

[Big Guy 1,421]

Why is it a culture war and not a culture compromise. Is it because both sides are too dumb to compromise on anything?

 

Because the left & right are always at odds.

 

It's as simple as Good vs. Evil, God vs. the Godless, Dallas vs. The Eagles

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

KSB completely disregarded the real reason legalized marijuana was defeated in Ohio to prove his point.

 

Fail.

 

You mean KSB had a preconceived opinion on the subject and was merely looking for something that confirmed his bias? No way

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I applaud the people of Ohio for seeing through this legislation and defeating it. Legalizing it so it can be handed to political cronies is BS. Just legalize it completely and let the chips fall where they may.

[porkbutt 897]

 

I disagree......they've turned this Country from an upstanding religious one to Vegas within the last few of years.

yup. liberals are like lil b;tch kids. they need some discipline and structure given to them by moral, responsible people....or they just create a big focking free-for-all mess.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

yup. liberals are like lil b;tch kids. they need some discipline and structure given to them by moral, responsible people....or they just create a big focking free-for-all mess.

Josh Duggar

[Frank M 181]

Josh Duggar

 

Ted Haggard

[Frank M 181]

Not really, it failed because of fracturing within those that support it. Which is what this whole thread and the Atlantic article is really about.

 

I thought this thread was about liberals losing the culture wars. Make up your mind, little timmy.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,604]

 

Are you capable or responding to any criticism/ remark regarding the GOP without invoking Democrats? Pelosi and Reid could be serial killers and it wouldn't make this bullsh!t about the GOP and less bullsh!t.

 

 

Yes, I'm the one spinning and not the writer who is suggesting that divisions within the GOP are a function of "ideological flexibility" when it should be obvious to anyone with three brain cells that it's exactly the opposite. I'll say it again, the GOP's leader was forced to step down because he was unable to effectively work with elements OF HIS OWN PARTY. And their big heartburn with him? Working with elements of the other party to try and do trivial things like KEEP THE GOVERNMENT RUNNING. They would rather shut it down over Planned Parenthood. Planned Focking Parenthood.

 

But this division suddenly makes the GOP "ideologically flexible".

 

You're right, it's not laughable, it's focking moronic. It would be great parody if only it was parody.

 

I was comparing the two and how fawked up both are.

[parrot 789]

 

I was comparing the two and how fawked up both are.

 

Well okay then.

[hoytdwow 202]

I don't understand how a few cherry picked elections demonstrate anyone losing anything.

 

Nationally, people are for ghey marriage, support stricter gun laws/background checks, and are pro-choice.

[Big Guy 1,421]

I don't understand how a few cherry picked elections demonstrate anyone losing anything.

 

Nationally, people are for ghey marriage, support stricter gun laws/background checks, and are pro-choice.

 

People are?.......yeah less than half.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Nationally, people are for ghey marriage, support stricter gun laws/background checks, and are pro-choice.

 

That's sort of the point, or one of them. Like you this was my general consensus....because that's what I've been told. But maybe it's not when you see the pushing of NOT just ghey marraige but now into the transgender arena. Not just background checks like we have but more control, not just abortion but less regulation - funding them.

 

The "majority" may not be as you think it is......

 

Since 2009 Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.

 

That's not cherry picking. There is a reason, like most things, its a plethora of reasons, but one of them most certainly is a pushback (by the majority) on "to much" or of a feeling of "enough is enough" of ultra-liberal social ideas.

[hoytdwow 202]

 

That's sort of the point, or one of them. Like you this was my general consensus....because that's what I've been told. But maybe it's not when you see the pushing of NOT just ghey marraige but now into the transgender arena. Not just background checks like we have but more control, not just abortion but less regulation - funding them.

 

The "majority" may not be as you think it is......

 

 

That's not cherry picking. There is a reason, like most things, its a plethora of reasons, but one of them most certainly is a pushback (by the majority) on "to much" liberal social ideas.

 

I don't base anything on "what I've been told" Go to http://www.pollingreport.com/issues.htm and click any cultural issue. The "liberal" position is the majority.

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

I don't base anything on "what I've been told" Go to http://www.pollingreport.com/issues.htm and click any cultural issue. The "liberal" position is the majority.

 

Nuance.....

 

According to Gallup's long-time polling on abortion, the majority of Americans are neither strictly Pro-Life or Pro-Choice; it depends upon circumstances. Gallup polling from 1996 to 2009 consistently reveals that when asked the question, "Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?", Americans repeatedly answer 'legal only under certain circumstances'. According to the poll, in any given year 48-57% say legal only under certain circumstances (for 2009, 57%), 21-34% say legal under any circumstances (for 2009, 21%), and 13-19% illegal in all circumstances (for 2009, 18%), with 1-7% having no opinion (for 2009, 4%).

 

The majority of Americans are pro-choice BUT with certain restrictions & regulations. When you add in certain caveats the majority flips.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

Nuance.....

 

 

The majority of Americans are pro-choice BUT with certain restrictions & regulations. When you add in certain caveats the majority flips.

It's all in how you ask the question. Those polls that are most neutral indicate that pro choice with some MODERATE restrictions is the majority stance

[jerryskids 7,085]

 

I don't base anything on "what I've been told" Go to http://www.pollingreport.com/issues.htm and click any cultural issue. The "liberal" position is the majority.

But in actual elections, ghey marriage has never won. Poles are notoriously inaccurate on social issues.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Why is it a culture war and not a culture compromise. Is it because both sides are too dumb to compromise on anything?

Because we liberals actually like freedom.

[parrot 789]

But in actual elections, ghey marriage has never won. Poles are notoriously inaccurate on social issues.

 

Are the poles "inaccurate", or are the elections not necessarily indicative of the views of the general populace?

[kutulu 1,705]

It's all about moderation.

a ton of moderation

[mayhem39 3]

People seem to believe that liberals are winning the culture war/social issues but I sure as hell don't see it. I still can't go down to the local weed dispensary and buy some pot because we have no dispensaries in this red state. I can'y play poker on the internet anymore because some idiots in Washington decided they need to protect me from myself. I recently watched a hearing on planned parenthood where the right wing nutbags asked the prez of PP a bunch of ridiculous questions and then would not shut up to hear the answer. I could go on and on. If people think the left is winning, wtf are we winning??

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

People seem to believe that liberals are winning the culture war/social issues but I sure as hell don't see it. I still can't go down to the local weed dispensary and buy some pot because we have no dispensaries in this red ###### state. I can'y play poker on the internet anymore because some idiots in Washington decided they need to protect me from myself. I recently watched a hearing on planned parenthood where the right wing nutbags asked the prez of PP a bunch of ridiculous questions and then would not shut up to hear the answer. I could go on and on. If people think the left is winning, wtf are we winning??

The right is still able to make lots of noise on social issues, but that's all it is. Noise.

 

And yes, many states are red as hell. But every year, the list of places with legal weed grows. And that will continue.

[MDC 7,889]

 

Are the poles "inaccurate", or are the elections not necessarily indicative of the views of the general populace?

You beat me to it. Social conservative are far more likely to vote than the general public. Hell, gay marriage got shot down by vote in California.

[jerryskids 7,085]

 

Are the poles "inaccurate", or are the elections not necessarily indicative of the views of the general populace?

 

 

You beat me to it. Social conservative are far more likely to vote than the general public. Hell, gay marriage got shot down by vote in California.

 

Fair point. So we have the pole inaccuracy wherein people don't want to admit to being against things like ghey marriage, vs. the fact that liberals tend to suck at actually voting (see my sig).

[MDC 7,889]

 

 

 

Fair point. So we have the pole inaccuracy wherein people don't want to admit to being against things like ghey marriage, vs. the fact that liberals tend to suck at actually voting (see my sig).

I think it's more that gay marriage is a non issue among anyone except the closet queers who vote GOP and in some cases run for office.

[Big Guy 1,421]

But in actual elections, ghey marriage has never won. Poles are notoriously inaccurate on social issues.

 

 

True....only activist judges made it "legal".