Ben Carson, meet Brian Williams?

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I had not heard of this. On face value it does seem odd.

 

He goes into detail. Seems thought out, if a bit off the beaten path.

 

 

 

Not a Ben Carson fan/voter. But I don't get why a person's religious beliefs or thoughts on evolution have much of anything to do with leading a country and its people.

 

I mean seriously, it's so low on the list of sh1t that's important, it's nothing more than a distraction.

 

I don't care for him because he's anti-gun (somewhat), and I can't support someone who doesn't support the Constitution in its entirety.

You don't get to cherry pick the Amendments you like/don't like or you go down a slippery slope that leads to bad things IMO.

[Frank M 181]

 

As a Kasich guy, I've been waiting for this moment. For the media to find something, anything they can, on Trump and Carson to level the field. I knew they'd come through.....they always do. Secretly I'm happy about this.

 

But honestly, come on. A. We don't even know he was "lying". B. Nobody gives a fock if he was violent or not when he was in middle school that isn't pandering....that is absurd spin. C. This is really reaching man. Totally different than Brian Williams complete fabrication; if anything Carson may just have exaggerated something (rather small of not much significance) from 40 years ago. 99% of the population has done that.

 

I just don't see how this is a big deal, enough to lead on CNN. Seems they are really digging deep and it reeks of trying to hard. The people on the left that try and spin this out to mean something substantial are the same type of group that you guys called the "Birthers" on the right. Grasping at straws to discredit a person.

 

But, honestly, this may work for me. Hopefully they find something stupid on Trump next and we can backdoor Kasich into the top 3.

 

A story of how you were angry and violent and how Jesus saved you that turns out to be false when you are leading the polls for the office of the most powerful person in America, and arguably, the world, isn't important enough to lead the news?

 

If you're going to use a false story as evidence of your fitness for the office, be prepared to back it up because it's going to be scrutinized, particularly if part of the story is as sensational as trying to stab somebody.

 

My question would be why not just say that I was lost as a teenager and Jesus saved me when I was 14? Religious fundamentalists will still lap that up like ice cream and you don't have nearly the amount of scrutiny that saying you tried to kill somebody brings.

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If you're going to use a false story as evidence of your fitness for the office,

 

A. We don't know he "made this up" for sure yet. I'm glad you have made up your mind already though.

 

B. If I recall, this came up due to a question about his youth. He was just talking about it in interviews. It's not like he says "Vote for me because I was a bad kid!@#!"

 

C. I'll lump you in as a "Birther" type, just lefty style.

 

D. I'm all for this to be honest, even though I think its a bunch of bull. Let's get Trump next, maybe CNN can find an audio of him talking down to a homeless guy or something. #teamkasich

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

A. We don't know he "made this up" for sure yet. I'm glad you have made up your mind already though.

 

B. If I recall, this came up due to a question about his youth. He was just talking about it in interviews. It's not like he says "Vote for me because I was a bad kid!@#!"

 

C. I'll lump you in as a "Birther" type, just lefty style.

 

D. I'm all for this to be honest, even though I think its a bunch of bull. Let's get Trump next, maybe CNN can find an audio of him talking down to a homeless guy or something. #teamkasich

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He wrote about it in a book. It didn't "just come up". Do you work for fox?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

A. We don't know he "made this up" for sure yet. I'm glad you have made up your mind already though.

 

B. If I recall, this came up due to a question about his youth. He was just talking about it in interviews. It's not like he says "Vote for me because I was a bad kid!@#!"

 

C. I'll lump you in as a "Birther" type, just lefty style.

 

D. I'm all for this to be honest, even though I think its a bunch of bull. Let's get Trump next, maybe CNN can find an audio of him talking down to a homeless guy or something. #teamkasich

You're really reaching to defend Carson. I guess he is on "your team" even if he isn't necessarily "your guy."

 

IF he lied about this-- and we don't know for sure yet but it isn't looking good-- then the entire conceit he has used to sell himself to evangelical voters is a lie. The troubled black youth who found Jesus and now he may rise to the highest land in the office-- evangelicals eat that sh1t up and yet it may be a complete lie.

 

So it's not as simple as you're trying to spin this. It's not that he lied about a bad thing and so now it's actually good that he got caught being a better person than he had claimed. That's focking ridiculous

[KSB2424 3,174]

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He wrote about it in a book. It didn't "just come up". Do you work for fox?

 

If I worked for Fox I might have known that.

 

Okay, so he had an audiobiography out or something? Let me google:

 

So he speaks of his past in the Book "Gifted Hands" Which came out in..... 2009. Well before he even thought about running for President. So are we saying he totally made this up, in 2009, to pander for votes for his Presidential run in 2016?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

If I worked for Fox I might have known that.

 

Okay, so he had an audiobiography out or something? Let me google:

 

So he speaks of his past in the Book "Gifted Hands" Which came out in 2009. Well before he even thought about running for President. So how was he pandering?

Oy, you're gonna tear a ligament or something trying to reach this far

[Frank M 181]

 

A. We don't know he "made this up" for sure yet. I'm glad you have made up your mind already though.

 

My mind was made up long ago with his rejection of science and evolution

 

 

B. If I recall, this came up due to a question about his youth. He was just talking about it in interviews. It's not like he says "Vote for me because I was a bad kid!@#!"

 

He discussed it multiple times in multiple interviews and described it in his autobiography. What do you think he discusses it for?

 

C. I'll lump you in as a "Birther" type, just lefty style.

 

 

 

D. I'm all for this to be honest, even though I think its a bunch of bull. Let's get Trump next, maybe CNN can find an audio of him talking down to a homeless guy or something. #teamkasich

 

I'm on that team, too.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Oy, you're gonna tear a ligament or something trying to reach this far

 

I'm not reaching. I didn't know he told the same story in a 2009 book. IF he lied, he was caught in an exaggeration about his youth in his autobiography back in 2009.

 

So IF he lied or exaggerated, then to me it seems he did so to sell books or make his "story" better to sell books. As in 2009 he wasn't on the POTUS political map.

 

So while lying is bad, the spin that he did it to pander for votes in this election is wrong. As he told that story long ago, when he was a surgeon, not a Presidential nominee.

[Frank M 181]

 

I'm not reaching. I didn't know he told the same story in a 2009 book. IF he lied, he was caught in an exaggeration about his youth in his autobiography back in 2009.

 

So IF he lied or exaggerated, then to me it seems he did so to sell books or make his "story" better to sell books. As in 2009 he wasn't on the POTUS political map.

 

So while lying is bad, the spin that he did it to pander for votes in this election is wrong. As he told that story long ago, when he was a surgeon, not a Presidential nominee.

 

And kept telling it up until...today.

 

 

Maybe it's because his book sales are declining lately, can't have anything to do with courting religious fundamentalists for his presidential run.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

I'm not reaching. I didn't know he told the same story in a 2009 book. IF he lied, he was caught in an exaggeration about his youth in his autobiography back in 2009.

 

So IF he lied or exaggerated, then to me it seems he did so to sell books or make his "story" better to sell books. As in 2009 he wasn't on the POTUS political map.

 

So while lying is bad, the spin that he did it to pander for votes in this election is wrong. As he told that story long ago, when he was a surgeon, not a Presidential nominee.

He wrote his first book in 1992. He's written and sold many in the following years. It feels like he's trying to sell more now. The guys a fraud. Let's move on, Trump is more fun.

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

can't have anything to do with courting religious fundamentalists for his presidential run.

 

I'm still having trouble with this. Do you and others really think a person being "violent" as a kid would sway a voter one way or the other? Seems odd to me to go through some elaborate ruse over something like this. It doesn't pass the smell test.

 

Lying about an accomplishment or a job history to up your resume or credibility? I get that. (i.e. Brian Williams)

 

This just seems weird to outright fabricate to somehow appeal to a certain segment of voters before you were even in politics. Now that is a well though out long play.

 

Look, lying is not a good look. For anybody. But geez man, this seems a bit contrived and petty.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

I'm still having trouble with this. Do you and others really think a person being "violent" as a kid would sway a voter one way or the other? Seems odd to me to go through some elaborate ruse over something like this. It doesn't pass the smell test.

 

Lying about an accomplishment or a job history to up your resume or credibility? I get that. (i.e. Brian Williams)

 

This just seems weird to outright fabricate to somehow appeal to a certain segment of voters before you were even in politics. Now that is a well though out long play.

 

Look, lying is not a good look. For anybody. But geez man, this seems a bit contrived and petty.

Good lord, you aren't this stupid. It's been explained to you many times why he would make up this lie, if in fact he did. The story makes him a more compelling figure, especially to the evangelical Christians who buy his books, attend his speeches/seminars, and make up his base in the election.

 

And think about what you're saying for one second: you think he lied to make himself look worse? What, like he felt he needed a handicap because the presidential race was too easy?

 

Of course not. He lied for the same reason almost everyone does: he thought it was in his best interest

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

So, who gets Carson's crazies when his charade fizzles out?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

So, who gets Carson's crazies when his charade fizzles out?

Cruz. He'll be the fundie candidate in the end, with Rubio the candidate of people who actually want to win an election

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Cruz. He'll be the fundie candidate in the end, with Rubio the candidate of people who actually want to win an election

Hillary will slice Rubio in to little pieces in a debate.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Hillary will slice Rubio in to little pieces in a debate.

I wouldn't underestimate him. She certainly has the advantage in experience but he's smart and talented

[Frank M 181]

 

I'm still having trouble with this. Do you and others really think a person being "violent" as a kid would sway a voter one way or the other? Seems odd to me to go through some elaborate ruse over something like this. It doesn't pass the smell test.

 

Lying about an accomplishment or a job history to up your resume or credibility? I get that. (i.e. Brian Williams)

 

This just seems weird to outright fabricate to somehow appeal to a certain segment of voters before you were even in politics. Now that is a well though out long play.

 

Look, lying is not a good look. For anybody. But geez man, this seems a bit contrived and petty.

 

He's had presidential aspirations since at least 2012 and likely before.

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

He's had presidential aspirations since at least 2012 and likely before.

 

That's fine, but his autobiography was in 2009, so unlike whats been spun I don't think he "lied" or overly exaggerated any stories of his youth to try and somehow pander to the right wing conservatives like has been said. If he told this story many years ago, before his political career started, then it's much more likely he over exaggerated his youth to make his book and his life be more interesting. Which isn't a good look for him. That is granted. However this wild conspiracy theory he lied to pander for votes is spinning it out of control.

 

The dude caught a fish when he was a kid and told everybody it was bigger than it really was to make the story better. And the older he got the bigger the fish he caught was, this is a common human thing we all do.

 

The problem is he is running for President and may have been caught saying the fish was bigger than it really was...a bad look but like I said, meh, ho hum. I won't be voting for Carson because he lacks any real experience in managing - governing anything, coupled with what I find as questionable responses to questions about issues. It surly wont be because he told a big fish story in his autobiography.

 

[Mike Honcho 5,518]

 

I'm still having trouble with this. Do you and others really think a person being "violent" as a kid would sway a voter one way or the other? Seems odd to me to go through some elaborate ruse over something like this. It doesn't pass the smell test.

 

Lying about an accomplishment or a job history to up your resume or credibility? I get that. (i.e. Brian Williams)

 

This just seems weird to outright fabricate to somehow appeal to a certain segment of voters before you were even in politics. Now that is a well though out long play.

 

Look, lying is not a good look. For anybody. But geez man, this seems a bit contrived and petty.

 

I remember you saying that when the birther stuff came up, Obama's a muslim, and he associates with domestic terrorists. Oh wait, you never said anything of the sort.

 

Oh and the hits keep coming for Ben.

 

Ben Carson Lied About West Point Acceptance

 

Politico reports that a story in Carson’s famous memoir, Gifted Hands, is not true. By Carson’s telling, during his senior year of high school, he was chosen to march in the Detroit Memorial Day parade by nature of his high standing in the city’s ROTC program. Gen. William Westmoreland was in attendance, he writes, “with an impressive entourage.” After the parade, Carson says he was introduced to Westmoreland and “had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.” Carson repeats in his later book You Have a Brain that he was offered a full scholarship to West Point. (Note: Tuition for West Point and the other service academies is $0.)

 

Sure enough, West Point “has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process.”

 

[Frank M 181]

He also said that he was offered a scholarship to West Point in his book, too.

 

Oops! Never happened:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/06/ben-carson-campaign-lies-west-point-admission-memoir

 

 

Doubts about the veracity of stories Republican presidential frontrunner Ben Carson has told about his life multiplied on Friday when his campaign admitted he had never sought admission to the prestigious West Point military academy.

 

The Carson campaign was confronted with records from West Point showing that he had never sought admission nor been admitted to the academy,

“Dr Carson did not seek admission,” his campaign manager admitted in response.

 

A West Point admissions officer told Politico the academy had no records of a Carson application. “If he chose to pursue [the application process] then we would have records indicating such,” the officer was quoted as saying.

 

This seems to contradict an account Carson published in his bestselling 1990 memoir Gifted Hands and elsewhere about being offered a scholarship to the academy after an outstanding performance in a reserve officers training corps (ROTC) program in his Detroit high school.

 

“At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade,” Carson writes in Gifted Hands. “I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, we had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam [sic] were present.

 

“More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt Hunt [Carson’s ROTC adviser] introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.”

 

On Facebook in August, Carson repeated the claim: “The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.

 

“Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.”

 

In addition to the line about the admission and scholarship, the circumstances of Carson’s reported meeting with Westmoreland were also cast into doubt by Politico.

 

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

I remember you saying that when the birther stuff came up, Obama's a muslim, and he associates with domestic terrorists. Oh wait, you never said anything of the sort.

 

 

 

I stayed out of the Birther debate all together. Thought the whole thing was dumb, even said so on occasion. Seems like you're pulling a Carson and mis-remembering now.

[Voltaire 5,506]

I wanna talk about how pyramids were being used to store grain at some point.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hillary will slice Rubio in to little pieces in a debate.

I think he has the best shot in a debate against her.

Pretty darn polished.

Cruz would look awful.

hard to be more of a weasel than her...but he would manage it.

[Frank M 181]

I wanna talk about how pyramids were being used to store grain at some point.

 

 

Not only that, it was Joseph from the bible that built them:

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ben-carson-egyptian-pyramids-were-grain-stores-not-pharaohs-tombs/ar-BBmRLyk?ocid=ansmsnnews11

 

 

Egypt’s pyramids were built by the biblical Joseph to store grain and were not, as archaeologists believe, tombs for pharaohs, Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson has said.

 

The retired neurosurgeon, who is seeking his party’s nomination for the White House, made these remarks in a 1998 address at Andrews University, a school associated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, to which he belongs, in a video posted on Buzzfeed on Wednesday.

 

The church is a conservative evangelical Christian one.

 

“My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain,” Carson – who last week overtook Republican rival Donald Trump for the first time in a national poll – told graduates in his address.

 

“Now all the archeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it.

 

“And I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time to store that much grain.”

 

Asked on Wednesday if he still held these views, Carson told CBS News: “It’s still my belief, yes.”

 

Speaking to MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Thursday, rival Republican candidate Donald Trump said: “He’s informed me about the pyramids. I think I’ll have to put that in my repertoire about Ben. That was a strange deal.”

 

In his 1998 address, Carson said: “And when you look at the way that the pyramids are made, with many chambers that are hermetically sealed, they’d have to be that way for various reasons.

 

“And various of scientists have said, ‘Well, you know there were alien beings that came down and they have special knowledge and that’s how, you know, it doesn’t require an alien being when God is with you’.”

 

In the old testament book of Genesis, Joseph, one of the 12 sons of Jacob, was said to have “stored up grain in great abundance like the sand of the sea, until he stopped measuring it, for it was beyond measure”.

 

After seven years of plenty, the story in Genesis says, Egypt suffered seven years of famine, during which Joseph was able to feed the people with the grain he had stored.

 

Carson has spoken often about his faith, saying recently of his critics: “They say, ‘Carson, you know, how can you be a surgeon, a neurosurgeon, and believe that God created the Earth, and not believe in evolution, which is the basis of all knowledge and all science?’ …

 

“But I do believe God created us, and I did just fine … And in fact, the more you know about God, and the deeper your relationship with God, I think the more intricate becomes your knowledge of the way things work, including the human body.”

 

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You're really reaching to defend Carson. I guess he is on "your team" even if he isn't necessarily "your guy."

 

IF he lied about this-- and we don't know for sure yet but it isn't looking good-- then the entire conceit he has used to sell himself to evangelical voters is a lie. The troubled black youth who found Jesus and now he may rise to the highest land in the office-- evangelicals eat that sh1t up and yet it may be a complete lie.

 

So it's not as simple as you're trying to spin this. It's not that he lied about a bad thing and so now it's actually good that he got caught being a better person than he had claimed. That's focking ridiculous

Hillary lying about sniper fire, or Benghazi, or about email servers, or dead broke, or the countless other things and its just partisan propoganda... Now once carson surges to the lead its fact checking decades old minutia. It clearly looks like he embellished. And I'd doubt i'd ever vote for the guy. But its just petty partisan BS trying to knock the leader down a couple pegs. nothing more.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hillary lying about sniper fire, or Benghazi, or about email servers, or dead broke, or the countless other things and its just partisan propoganda... Now once carson surges to the lead its fact checking decades old minutia. It clearly looks like he embellished. And I'd doubt i'd ever vote for the guy. But its just petty partisan BS trying to knock the leader down a couple pegs. nothing more.

 

He should be knocked down simply for being ignorant when it comes to foreign affairs.

But that isn't enough with the loonies voting for the guy...so more has to be brought out.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Hillary lying about sniper fire, or Benghazi, or about email servers, or dead broke, or the countless other things and its just partisan propoganda... Now once carson surges to the lead its fact checking decades old minutia. It clearly looks like he embellished. And I'd doubt i'd ever vote for the guy. But its just petty partisan BS trying to knock the leader down a couple pegs. nothing more.

And she's been hammered on all of those things

[Thornton Melon 651]

 

Not a Ben Carson fan/voter. But I don't get why a person's religious beliefs or thoughts on evolution have much of anything to do with leading a country and its people.

 

I mean seriously, it's so low on the list of sh1t that's important, it's nothing more than a distraction.

 

I don't care for him because he's anti-gun (somewhat), and I can't support someone who doesn't support the Constitution in its entirety.

You don't get to cherry pick the Amendments you like/don't like or you go down a slippery slope that leads to bad things IMO.

 

Yep

[jerryskids 7,162]

And she's been hammered on all of those things

Uh... no she hasn't. The email server alone should ensure she never sniffs the Oval Office. But here she is, still the front runner.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Uh... no she hasn't. The email server alone should ensure she never sniffs the Oval Office. But here she is, still the front runner.

She got hammered on it for months. Seems she has survived it just as Carson will probably survive this incident.

[KSB2424 3,174]

She got hammered on it for months. Seems she has survived it just as Carson will probably survive this incident.

I really don't like trying to compare them as equals. Lying about people dying (Bengazi) and also possessing an unsecure email with classified government documents sort of pales in comparison to exaggerating about your childhood in your autobiography. Don't ya think? Not really in the same universe of importance.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I really don't like trying to compare them as equals. Lying about people dying (Bengazi) and also possessing an unsecure email with classified government documents sort of pales in comparison to exaggerating about your childhood in your autobiography. Don't ya think? Not really in the same universe of importance.

If, she lied about Benghazi, it had nothing to do with those people getting killed. But I seem to remember, not that long ago, a President and his henchmen telling some lies that had everything to do with lots of people getting killed. Seems your outrage is out of balance.

[MDC 8,011]

I really don't like trying to compare them as equals. Lying about people dying (Bengazi) and also possessing an unsecure email with classified government documents sort of pales in comparison to exaggerating about your childhood in your autobiography. Don't ya think? Not really in the same universe of importance.

I think we will spend a fraction of the time talking about Carson's lies, but Repubs sure are butthurt and defensive over it already.

[Frank M 181]

I really don't like trying to compare them as equals. Lying about people dying (Bengazi) and also possessing an unsecure email with classified government documents sort of pales in comparison to exaggerating about your childhood in your autobiography. Don't ya think? Not really in the same universe of importance.

No, not as important, but still important to know about somebody. Why lie about little things you don't need to? Is his story not impressive enough for people without stupid embellishment?

 

Apparently Ben didn't think so.

 

Or he's just a nut, which I'm starting to think the more I hear him talk.

[KSB2424 3,174]

If, she lied about Benghazi, it had nothing to do with those people getting killed. But I seem to remember, not that long ago, a President and his henchmen telling some lies that had everything to do with lots of people getting killed. Seems your outrage is out of balance.

Is George Bush running for President in 2016 or something? I don't have outrage, we (actually they) were comparing two candidates and their "lies" or "errors".

 

If GWB was running you might have a point but since he's not I'll chalk it up to deflection.

[Frank M 181]

I think we will spend a fraction of the time talking about Carson's lies, but Repubs sure are butthurt and defensive over it already.

 

He's not handling the scrutiny well by himself, so he needs his peeps to get his back.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Is George Bush running for President in 2016 or something? I don't have outrage, we (actually they) were comparing two candidates and their "lies" or "errors".

 

If GWB was running you might have a point but since he's not I'll chalk it up to deflection.

I'll Assume you're a Bush Voter. Maybe I'm wrong. My point is making a big deal about Benghazi like so many on the right have done loses its impact when the same people didn't hold their guy accountable for his lies/deception that got thousands killed. It's about credibility.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I'll Assume you're a Bush Voter. Maybe I'm wrong. My point is making a big deal about Benghazi like so many on the right have done loses its impact when the same people didn't hold their guy accountable for his lies/deception that got thousands killed. It's about credibility.

If I had a time machine and would have known everything I know now, way back in 2004 I may not have voted for Bush. Just like Pelosi, Bill Clinton and the majority of democrats who voted for the Iraq war I thought our intelligence on WMDs was sound. But I don't have a time machine.

 

Fotunately we don't need a time machine for Hillary. We caught her before the election.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

If I had a time machine and would have known everything I know now, way back in 2004 I may not have voted for Bush. Just like Pelosi, Bill Clinton and the majority of democrats who voted for the Iraq war I thought our intelligence on WMDs was sound. But I don't have a time machine.

 

Fotunately we don't need a time machine for Hillary. We caught her before the election.

Doesn't seem anyone caught her. Lying to congress is a federal crime. When does she get charged?