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Yes, I think religion is largely a dumping ground for the stupid.

 

But often smart people end up there through two decades or so of brainwashing.

Uh, some of us are just normal, smart people, and I say that in all modesty. :dunno:

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No , the fundies are the Dinosaurs Nevet Existed crowd. All morons

At the creation science museum, they made peace with the dinosaurs. They're a main attraction. You can see them getting on the Ark (would have been a convenient way to get rid of them but, no). You can even ride them.

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And O, Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in its paw. And the disciples did run a-shriekin'. "What a big f0cking lizard, Lord!"

 

"I'm sure gonna mention this in my book," Luke said.

 

"Well, I'm sure gonna mention it in my book," Matthew said.

 

"Im not sure what i saw," said Thomas

 

Timothy nudged him "It was a big f0cking lizard, Thomas"

 

But Jesus was unafraid. And he took the splinter from the brontosaurus paw, and the brontosaurus became his friend. And Jesus sent him to Scotland where he lived in a loch, O so many years, attracting fat American families with their fat f0ckin' dollars to look for the Loch Ness Monster. And O the Scots did praise the Lord: "Thank you, Lord! Thank you, Lord!"

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No , the fundies are the Dinosaurs Nevet Existed crowd. All morons

 

 

At the creation science museum, they made peace with the dinosaurs. They're a main attraction. You can see them getting on the Ark (would have been a convenient way to get rid of them but, no). You can even ride them.

 

I didn't know there was a camp of scientists who believe in creation that had to make peace with the existence of dinosaurs. The separated out ones (not in secular-respected scientific communities) have always struck me as being slightly dinosaur obsessed, if anything. If you think they didn't go extinct as long ago as the scientific establishment does, I guess maybe it makes them more fascinated by them.

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I have a theory that their support aligns with the notion that he is being honest, not doing the political song and dance, and they dig that, even if he does say dumb things....

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Reasons I would consider voting for Trump:

 

1. His campaign is self funded and he's therefore less likely to be in the pocket of either party or lobbyists.

 

4. I'm disgusted with the political process and voting Trumo is the "burn this mother focker down" vote.

 

These are the only two reasons I could think of to vote for trump.

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I think he has appeal because he focuses more on process than ideology... People have the opinion that the government is inefficient, bloated, and unconcerned with improving how it operates and Trump taps into that. Big ideas that will never pass like free college or whatnot people understand will never happen, its a waste of time.

 

Who cares whether he has a 16 page bulletpoint proposal on an issue that will ultimately need compromise from each side...

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Doesn't matter if you are fundie Christian or a fundie Muslim, Fundies Are intellectually Stupid.

This is a very broad statement wiffleball. I consider myself a fundie Christian but by no means intellectually stupid.

 

I agree that certain "religions" tend to be of less than average intelligence when it comes to matters of politics, I call that the "sheep following the shepherd" rule. The leader makes his stance known, the "flock" trusts said leader and believes whatever he says without researching and making their own decisions.

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This is a very broad statement wiffleball.   I consider myself a fundie Christian but by no means intellectually stupid.Â

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I agree that certain "religions" tend to be of less than average intelligence when it comes to matters of politics, I call that the "sheep following the shepherd" rule. The leader makes his stance known, the "flock" trusts said leader and believes whatever he says without researching and making their own decisions.

I'm gonna go with wiff on this.

 

If you read any book, and think "you know, the answers to all life's questions are in here!" Then you are a moron.

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They believe in total and complete bullchit

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Trump Supporters and Religious nuts? Yes, agree 100%

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We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated. We’re the smartest people, we’re the most loyal people, and you know what I’m happy about? Because I’ve been saying it for a long time. 46% were the Hispanics—46%, number one with Hispanics. I’m really happy about that.

from his NV victory speech

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Hopefully a bunch of Trump people start knocking off and replacing the deficit loving chickenhawk Bush/Rubio endorsing turds in primaries.

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They believe in total and complete bullchit

Is it really functionally different if he had a 16 bulletpoint plan on a website? whatever passes on anything will be a negotiated compromise, so people are buying into the fact the guy can negotiate a tough deal as opposed to their view of current spineless politicians.

 

 

Having hard stances hurts you in a general election. He is giving himself room to appeal to a broader general election market which is smart. On the other hand you see hillary having to trek hard left to compete with Bernie, same thing Mitt Romney needed to do and it ended up hurting him badly in the general election.

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from his NV victory speech

They've, not we've. I heard the line this morning on the radio

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Sabermetrics pioneer: There aren’t enough 'morons' to elect Trump

 

 

The father of Sabermetrics is clearly not a fan of Donald Trump, and he is using his own statistical analysis to explain why the Republican front-runner will not be the 45th president of the United States.

In a post published this week to his website titled "Trump, as in Rump," author Bill James, who is known as one of the pioneers of the analysis of baseball and in-game statistics, broke down his reasoning in a variety of ways.

"I don’t think that Trump can win, frankly, because I don’t think there are enough morons to elect him. A certain percentage of the American public is just morons; that’s the way it is," James wrote in one section. "When you divide the public in two then divide the voters in one of those halves among five candidates or more, a candidate can win by dominating the moron vote because it only takes about one-seventh of the total population to take the 'lead' under those circumstances."

But in a general election situation, James posited, "when you’re talking about needing 51 percent of the whole population, rather than needing 30 percent of half of the population, you run out of morons. I hope we will."

"I hope Trump will lose, because I hope he runs out of morons to vote for him. Again, I stress that I am not trying to tell you what you should think about Donald Trump. I am merely telling you what I think about him," he said. (In his Tuesday night victory speech, Trump noted his support among Americans without college degrees, remarking, "I love the poorly educated.")

 

At the same time, James said he believed Trump to be on to something, namely that some of what the blustery Manhattan billionaire is pushing for is "courage."

"The responsibility of our elected officials is to stand up for America, and we have had many failings in this regard," he said, turning to a baseball analogy: "It is the responsibility of the New York Yankees to do what is best for the New York Yankees, and not to worry about whether the Boston Red Sox fans are annoyed by this."

"I believe in the old phrase 'tough s---' or, as we used to say to our kids about 14 times a day, 'tough bananas,'" he explained. "You don’t like Guantanamo? Tough s---. The rest of the world doesn’t approve of water boarding? Tough s---."

James concluded by saying that he would vote for anyone other than Trump but remarking that he also did not think everything the candidate says "is untrue or is without merit."

"He’s on to something," James wrote of Trump. "Hopefully somebody who isn’t The Donald will be smart enough to pick up on it."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/donald-trump-sabermetrics-bill-james-219731#ixzz416sJAbdX

 

 

 

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Is it really functionally different if he had a 16 bulletpoint plan on a website? whatever passes on anything will be a negotiated compromise, so people are buying into the fact the guy can negotiate a tough deal as opposed to their view of current spineless politicians.

 

 

Having hard stances hurts you in a general election. He is giving himself room to appeal to a broader general election market which is smart. On the other hand you see hillary having to trek hard left to compete with Bernie, same thing Mitt Romney needed to do and it ended up hurting him badly in the general election.

There's something in between "a 16 point plan that will never pass Congress in that precise form" and vague statements that you're going to do "something terrific."

 

Yeah sure you're going to try to negotiate a deal, but to what end? With trump all we know is he wants to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it. That's it.

 

Quit defending him on this point, you lose credibility.

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Because a lot of Evangelicals are dumb. HTH

I am not religious and I am as turned off as anyone by the evangelists. But they are smarter than the geniuses buying into the "everything should be free" message that the Socialists are selling.

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I wonder if the neck tattoo'd, NASCAR watchin, WWE following, and Jerry Springer DVR'in Folks will jump ship once Trump releases his tax documents?

 

Of which he still refuses to do.

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He's doing great among evangelicals, even better than Cruz who has basically directed his campaign towards that voting bloc.

 

He's been married three times, used to be a liberal, supported abortion in the past, and obviously isn't a religious guy.

 

So why's he doing so well? Is it his anti-PC schtick? Is there some reason evangelicals feel particularly threatened by PC culture that they're voting for him even though he isn't one of their own?

 

:dunno:

 

for the same reason that other groups of people love him. (and by love I mean publicly trash but secretly support).... people are getting tired of the same old political BS and the same old types of candidates. "Im going to unite the parties!" :lol: .... okay rubio. was that even rubio? it's been said so many times along with all the other usual mumbo jumbo that candidates say at this juncture (and ultimately deliver on a low %)

 

funny how everyone I come across hates trump yet he continues to win in the polls.

 

I honestly think, and i'm the first to admit that im not really into politics, that a lot of people are on board with the idea of real change. a president who isn't afraid to say what hes thinking and what a lot of the public is thinking. Is he too bombastic? absolutely but maybe it's time we took a break from the cookie cutter politician and give a shot to a businessman who has actually created jobs in this country

 

obama ran the first time with some sort of change slogan right? well what changed besides the color of his skin? at the end of the day hes just another politician.

 

do i support trump? i do. honestly its not really about supporting trump as much as it is about supporting a different type of president. If Mark Cuban were running instead of trump i'd support Mark Cuban 100%. and im being serious.

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The leader makes his stance known, the "flock" trusts said leader and believes whatever he says without researching and making their own decisions.

also known as.... religion

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for the same reason that other groups of people love him. (and by love I mean publicly trash but secretly support).... people are getting tired of the same old political BS and the same old types of candidates. "Im going to unite the parties!" :lol: .... okay rubio. was that even rubio? it's been said so many times along with all the other usual mumbo jumbo that candidates say at this juncture (and ultimately deliver on a low %)

 

funny how everyone I come across hates trump yet he continues to win in the polls.

 

I honestly think, and i'm the first to admit that im not really into politics, that a lot of people are on board with the idea of real change. a president who isn't afraid to say what hes thinking and what a lot of the public is thinking. Is he too bombastic? absolutely but maybe it's time we took a break from the cookie cutter politician and give a shot to a businessman who has actually created jobs in this country

 

obama ran the first time with some sort of change slogan right? well what changed besides the color of his skin? at the end of the day hes just another politician.

 

do i support trump? i do. honestly its not really about supporting trump as much as it is about supporting a different type of president. If Mark Cuban were running instead of trump i'd support Mark Cuban 100%. and im being serious.

I'm sort of on the fence right now but leaning Trump too for the reasons you said: He's not a politician and he's self funded. That must scare the GOP to death.

 

On the downside I don't like the xenophobic crap about Mexicans and Muslims. I think he just pandering to the mouth breathers there but it's something I would have to consider.

 

If the election is Hillary v Trump I would be pretty conflicted but probably vote Trump. There is zero chance I would vote for Rubio or Cruz though against pretty much any Dem.

 

Either that or maybe I just go 3rd party. :dunno:

 

Hillary is so uninspiring. The only reason to even consider voting for her is to split control of the White House and congress.

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I'm sort of on the fence right now but leaning Trump too for the reasons you said: He's not a politician and he's self funded. That must scare the GOP to death.

 

On the downside I don't like the xenophobic crap about Mexicans and Muslims. I think he just pandering to the mouth breathers there but it's something I would have to consider.

 

If the election is Hillary v Trump I would be pretty conflicted but probably vote Trump. There is zero chance I would vote for Rubio or Cruz though against pretty much any Dem.

 

Either that or maybe I just go 3rd party. :dunno:

 

Hillary is so uninspiring. The only reason to even consider voting for her is to split control of the White House and congress.

 

If Trump gets a grounded running mate, someone who can help tone him down just a tad in terms getting him to express his views in a less off putting way, i think he wins. The comments re: Mexicans were not good, but his stance on illegals is refreshing and something i truly believe he would focus on and deliver on.

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If Trump gets a grounded running mate, someone who can help tone him down just a tad in terms getting him to express his views in a less off putting way, i think he wins. The comments re: Mexicans were not good, but his stance on illegals is refreshing and something i truly believe he would focus on and deliver on.

I'm actually in favor of a wall, in addition to clobbering companies that hire undocumented labor and some form of amnesty for Mexican illegals who have family here and have not been in any trouble. What bothers me is the rapist and murderer stuff, banning Muslims, cheering a at 9/11 etc.

 

I think Trump is just playing the idiots in his party but it's not what I want in a president. That's really my only major issue with him though.

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I'm actually in favor of a wall, in addition to clobbering companies that hire undocumented labor and some form of amnesty for Mexican illegals who have family here and have not been in any trouble.

 

I think Trump is just playing the idiots in his party but it's not what I want in a president. That's really my only major issue with him though.

That is the thing that amazes me with illegal immigrants. We go after the supply but do little or nothing about the demand. If we fined the ###### out of businesses using illegal labor the supply problem would be more manageable. The only solution that makes sense now is to let the people stay and work that are here and work on tightening the border.

 

As for this thread I really like Rubio and Kasich more than Trump. Trump could either be a giant disaster that tries to push everyone around and gets nothing done, or he could really be a game changer and cure a lot that is wrong with politics. It just depends on if you want to roll the dice on him. Kasich is done so if Rubio does not make it I am willing to give Trump a try.

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That is the thing that amazes me with illegal immigrants. We go after the supply but do little or nothing about the demand. If we fined the ###### out of businesses using illegal labor the supply problem would be more manageable. The only solution that makes sense now is to let the people stay and work that are here and work on tightening the border.

 

As for this thread I really like Rubio and Kasich more than Trump. Trump could either be a giant disaster that tries to push everyone around and gets nothing done, or he could really be a game changer and cure a lot that is wrong with politics. It just depends on if you want to roll the dice on him. Kasich is done so if Rubio does not make it I am willing to give Trump a try.

 

hey i totally agree with you on the supply/demand aspect of illegals. you know how many restaurants use illegals in the kitchen? landscaping companies? Small businesses are the largest offenders and its easy for them to get away with it because they are obviously not under any microscope. It would really take whistle blowers and then local politicians giving a shit for them to even be caught and fined. But if there was a really solid way to tackle the demand, then those businesses would be forced to hire lesser educated americans or LEGAL immigrants to do the same work for higher pay. Helps our economy and lessens the amount of illegals that would bother to stay.

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hey i totally agree with you on the supply/demand aspect of illegals. you know how many restaurants use illegals in the kitchen? landscaping companies? Small businesses are the largest offenders and its easy for them to get away with it because they are obviously not under any microscope. It would really take whistle blowers and then local politicians giving a shit for them to even be caught and fined. But if there was a really solid way to tackle the demand, then those businesses would be forced to hire lesser educated americans or LEGAL immigrants to do the same work for higher pay. Helps our economy and lessens the amount of illegals that would bother to stay.

I could never understand why union workers vote largely D and think letting illegals in is the humane thing to do. They are a voting block for the politician, but to the Union construction worker they are just people that will do their job for less. They should be the ones fighting to secure the border. Maybe Trump can convince them of that.

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I could never understand why union workers vote largely D and think letting illegals in is the humane thing to do. They are a voting block for the politician, but to the Union construction worker they are just people that will do their job for less. They should be the ones fighting to secure the border. Maybe Trump can convince them of that.

This is a good point. I've touched on it before but I'm sure most Americans would be shocked by how much of the construction/remodeling in this country is performed by illegal, unlicensed, uninsured workers.

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This is a good point. I've touched on it before but I'm sure most Americans would be shocked by how much of the construction/remodeling in this country is performed by illegal, unlicensed, uninsured workers.

 

All the Republicans candidates want to "build a wall", strengthen the border, bring the VISA and guest worker program into the 21st Century so it can be better tracked, etc. Do that first and foremost. That's all their stances.

 

The only difference between them is what to do with the 11 to 12 Million who are here illegally. Or more aptly put "Amnesty".

 

Kasich: A path to citizenship is a must. That path includes deporting all them who are criminals or have criminal backgrounds (the minority of them). The others must pay a fine, and get in line to do the things it takes to be a citizen if they are going to stay.

 

Rubio: He's trying to be a bit more vague as he knows he needs the hardline conservative vote but general consensus is that he agrees with the above that was said for Kasich. He's just more quiet about it because he doesn't want to piss off the Rush Limbaugh listeners.

 

Cruz: He once was FOR Amnesty but now is opposed to it. He's changed his tune to try and be hardcore conservative. Now he wants to somehow go all over the nation and round up 12 million people and deport them. A majority of which would be taking parents away from their families and children. The actual who, what, when, where, and how to do all that he has no idea.

 

Trump: Nobody really knows where he stands on Amnesty. He dodges and dances and deflects. The irony of it is that he is a master politician in that way. Which is normally a reason we hate politicians, but it's somehow endearing when Trump does it. All he says is he'd build a wall and have Mexico pay for it because of a trade deficit. Which has been debunked by people who know how that works. So we don't really know what Trump would do. But whatever it is I'm sure will be Yoooge and Great! :doh:

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All the Republicans candidates want to "build a wall", strengthen the border, bring the VISA and guest worker program into the 21st Century so it can be better tracked, etc. Do that first and foremost. That's all their stances.

Actually it is since Trump made it the staple of his platform. I wpuld bet most of them except Trump and maybe Cruz would find a reason why not to do it once in office. (Congress will not go for it etc.)

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There's something in between "a 16 point plan that will never pass Congress in that precise form" and vague statements that you're going to do "something terrific."

 

Yeah sure you're going to try to negotiate a deal, but to what end? With trump all we know is he wants to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it. That's it.

 

Quit defending him on this point, you lose credibility.

I think you'll set him get more specific in a general election, it may not please the entire swath of the republican electorate, could likely have the type of details a hardcore GOP primary would tear apart, but there will be huge buzz and excitement and the alternative is Hillary...

 

I always wonder why GOP panders to evangelicals, its not like they will vote for democrats, so why hurt your national brand to appease a subset that will vote for you anyways? Trumps is masterfully getting through the primary without committing himself to hard right stances that will hurt him in a general.

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I think you'll set him get more specific in a general election, it may not please the entire swath of the republican electorate, could likely have the type of details a hardcore GOP primary would tear apart, but there will be huge buzz and excitement and the alternative is Hillary...

 

I always wonder why GOP panders to evangelicals, its not like they will vote for democrats, so why hurt your national brand to appease a subset that will vote for you anyways? Trumps is masterfully getting through the primary without committing himself to hard right stances that will hurt him in a general.

Except that he wants to deport 11 million people, build a wall, and ban Muslims. And when a woman questions him, she must be menstruating :dunno:

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Either way, most of the illegals will be leaving as soon as we get the next economic collapse going. Should be any time now.

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