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Seattle proves its drafting prowess yet again with the selection of Prosise, who made a late transition from receiver to running back at Notre Dame. He proved to be a natural at his new position while giving the Fighting Irish a dynamic passing-game option of the backfield that one would expect from a former receiver. Prosise already does a number of things that many veteran backs struggle with, such as maintain good pad level and finishing his runs, although he obviously needs to improve as a blocker and show better ball security. He'll have some time to develop in Seattle, which will probably utilize him as a third-down back in 2016 and 2017 while Thomas Rawls and Christine Michael battle it out for early-down work. Prosise is an explosive player with feature-back size (6-0, 220), so his abilities in the passing game could eventually give him a leg up on Rawls and Michael should the Seahawks eventually decide they want a bell cow back. His redraft value will be based almost entirely on his abilities to catch passes out of the backfield, so his upside is probably as a low-end RB4 in those leagues (PPR). In rookie drafts, he's certainly worth an early-to-mid second-round selection.

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Thanks, Doug.

 

It was an unexpected pick* - but one that appears promising for the 'Hawks.

 

 

*one of the many reasons that in John Schneider and Pete Carroll we trust :thumbsup:

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Yea this is going to make the Rb situation a very interesting one in Seattle .

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Yea this is going to make the Rb situation a very interesting one in Seattle .

Cmike is a head case. Rawls will get hurt CJ will have the job by week 10.

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Is Rawls a injury prone player?

It's the NFL. Everyone is injury prone. CJ will get hurt right behind him.

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Is Rawls a injury prone player?

Too early to say.

 

Rawls didnt play a lot in college and information is not easy to come by. whether this was due to injury or off field issues I cannot say.

 

But he had some hype around him coming out of high school so he wasnt a complete unknown.

 

seahawks picked him up as an undrafted free agent and developed him.

 

He only played a few games for Seattle before getting hurt. Could be a one time thing. could be part of a trend.

 

I suspect the Seahawks could answer this question but wont speak publicly.

 

Carroll seems to like to have RB depth, so I wouldnt look into this as a statement on the current RB's (specifically Cmike and Rawls) and they do need to bring in a RB now that Lynch is gone.

 

I like the move. I like his scouting report and I like his skill set. He could be the next big receiving RB in a year or two. They just need to get him coached up on the blocking (a must in Seattle)

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I'm just saying I like cj. It really ain't that serious.

Think everyone likes C J .

 

But I still see Rawls getting ups .

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The only problem with cj is he hasn't played RB very long, so he can't block.

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Fock. Maybe I can get them both somehow. Collins should be cheap.

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Is Rawls a injury prone player?

He dealt with some injuries at Central Michigan - he is a physical runner after all - but the reason he went undrafted last year was due to off-field issues. I think he would have been an early Day 3 pick last year without those.

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The only problem with cj is he hasn't played RB very long, so he can't block.

Its not for a lack of effort though. He engages defenders, unfortunately he gets bullied around because he doesn't attack and just uses his body to shield the quarterback. That isn't going to work in the pros, but its a teachable skill. Most rookie running backs are very raw at pass protection. I didn't see a kid that is as bad as some say he is in this regard. And considering his transition to running back from wide receiver, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he can learn.

 

I think because of his lack of experience he is still learning the nuances of everything that comes with being a running back that doesn't involve running. He's going to be a weapon though.

 

I envision a Dexter Mccluster type role early for him. And given his size and measurables, that's scary to envision him lining up in the slot against a nickel corner or a linebacker. Fire up the Clemson game where he absolutely embarrassed BJ Goodson in open space. That's the kind of matchup the Seahawks are going to love.

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Its not for a lack of effort though. He engages defenders, unfortunately he gets bullied around because he doesn't attack and just uses his body to shield the quarterback. That isn't going to work in the pros, but its a teachable skill. Most rookie running backs are very raw at pass protection. I didn't see a kid that is as bad as some say he is in this regard. And considering his transition to running back from wide receiver, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he can learn.

 

I think because of his lack of experience he is still learning the nuances of everything that comes with being a running back that doesn't involve running. He's going to be a weapon though.

 

I envision a Dexter Mccluster type role early for him. And given his size and measurables, that's scary to envision him lining up in the slot against a nickel corner or a linebacker. Fire up the Clemson game where he absolutely embarrassed BJ Goodson in open space. That's the kind of matchup the Seahawks are going to love.

You are 100% correct.

 

I am pretty sure Carroll thinks he can teach him. It may take a year or two, but with Rawls and CMike ahead of him on the depth chart, he can afford to be patient. I'm sure this kid will be the scat back they want to have in passing situations until that day arrives.

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Came across this pretty good write-up on Prosise (complete w/clips and highlights) from a fan and thought that you might find it interesting:

 

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/5/2/11553980/seahawks-draft-nfl-cj-prosise-notre-dame-fantasy-thomas-rawls-grade-marshawn-lynch?utm_campaign=fieldgulls&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

One of my favorite lines from the piece is "Lynch was excruciatingly patient and used his weird, lazy-eyed iguana vision to find slivers of space as the chaos unfolded before him."... but I digress. :)

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I think Prosise might be at his most dangerous is in the broken plays.

We get a play that breaks down. Wilson scrambles around alittle bit and does a dump off to to this kid, he might just run a day after that.

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I think Prosise might be at his most dangerous is in the broken plays.

We get a play that breaks down. Wilson scrambles around alittle bit and does a dump off to to this kid, he might just run a day after that.

Yes.

 

I also feel he would be more dangerous in the pass game.

 

Much like the Gronk Situation for TE's it is typical to have a LB cover the TE or RB coming out of the backfield.

 

I suspect with this kid, (as with Gronk) that may not be possible. The team may need to use a safety.

 

so it could open things up in situations where it is obvious that they will throw the ball. It will force Defenses to adjust, may also prevent some double teams on certain WR's.

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so it could open things up in situations where it is obvious that they will throw the ball. It will force Defenses to adjust, may also prevent some double teams on certain WR's.

 

And if only the Seahawks had that burner to make defenses pay..oh wait..Lockett.

 

Seattle gonna be a fun team to watch from a fantasy perspective...

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And if only the Seahawks had that burner to make defenses pay..oh wait..Lockett.

 

Seattle gonna be a fun team to watch from a fantasy perspective...

My boy. I have a lot of Lockett stock investment. Every time i watched him he seemed to make some heady plays when Wilson had to scramble. He may end up where Diggs owners had hoped, more so because of an offensive system that doesnt seem to like scoring points.

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My boy. I have a lot of Lockett stock investment. Every time i watched him he seemed to make some heady plays when Wilson had to scramble. He may end up where Diggs owners had hoped, more so because of an offensive system that doesnt seem to like scoring points.

I have Lockett in both my leagues. 1 of them is a idp league, where special team stats go to each player respectively. In the second half of the season last year, Locketts offensive performance, plus his ST scoring made him a must start for me. I can't wait to see what this year brings.

 

We start 3 WR'S. I had/have DeAndre Hopkins, Tyler Lockett, and Jarvis Landry weekly. Normally not exactly a scary lineup. But with our ppr scoring, plus ST stats. Those latter 2 guys are money.

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Um yeah, Rawls is gonna suck this year! ( please let everyone think this so I can grab him dirt cheap..please!)

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Rawls showed me enough last year to believe that he will be the running back to own in Seattle next season.

 

I sure enjoy watching both Lockett and Rawls even though my second favorite team is whoever is playing Seattle.

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It's not a pretty past for Rawls - - and a bit why I try to check my personal opinion on him and value him higher than I do. However, the selection of Promise clearly tells me the Hawks have a few concerns. Rawls is lily not any more injury prone than the next back in the NFL - in college he missed 4+ games for knee issues and missed a bowl game dud to suspension - - that was an academic suspension.

 

However, the muddy water is the Casino incident he ended up accepting a plea for. He and his buddies were accused of stealing purse and then using the credit cards. He denied it before the draft of course but the damage was done and he went undrafted and we know the rest of the story.

 

Worth noting - casino video had Rawls sit on the purse once they found it , before handing it to his "crew". No surprise he took a plea. (1 year probation)

 

Also note - after a decent freshman year at Michigan he basically rode the pine in year 2 and 3 before transferring to State to get some play time.

 

I hope a lot of owners in my leagues love him, as I view him as a Bus with a bad front axel . . . . just a matter of time he runs off the road.

 

Like Promise a ton - he is in th Pete Carroll mold.

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I like C J a lot also , and I think I have Rawls to high and I'm going to adjust is ranking .

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I like C J a lot also , and I think I have Rawls to high and I'm going to adjust is ranking .

I dont know that I would adjust Rawls ranking based on CJ.

 

I think CJ is likely a full year away from taking significant time away from anyone. He's got a lot to learn in addition to the actual playbook.

 

the more likely scenario is that Rawls gets the start this year, and if Seattle feels CJ has overtaken him by this time next year, then Rawls will be traded.

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I dont know that I would adjust Rawls ranking based on CJ.

 

I think CJ is likely a full year away from taking significant time away from anyone. He's got a lot to learn in addition to the actual playbook.

 

the more likely scenario is that Rawls gets the start this year, and if Seattle feels CJ has overtaken him by this time next year, then Rawls will be traded.

With the value of running backs, who is trading for a guy with Rawls background? These teams can just have Cmike or Bryce Brown for free

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With the value of running backs, who is trading for a guy with Rawls background? These teams can just have Cmike or Bryce Brown for free

fine, then they wont trade him. Maybe they keep him on the depth chart.

 

either way, my point is that CJ, while good, will take a while to get to the point where he can start.

 

I figure a year.

 

the only way he starts sooner is if those on the depth chart ahead of him screw up or get hurt. This kid has stuff to learn and needs time.

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I dont know that I would adjust Rawls ranking based on CJ.

 

I think CJ is likely a full year away from taking significant time away from anyone. He's got a lot to learn in addition to the actual playbook.

 

the more likely scenario is that Rawls gets the start this year, and if Seattle feels CJ has overtaken him by this time next year, then Rawls will be traded.

Already thinking about ranking him ahead of Rawls on my ppr leagues .

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fine, then they wont trade him. Maybe they keep him on the depth chart.

 

either way, my point is that CJ, while good, will take a while to get to the point where he can start.

 

I figure a year.

 

the only way he starts sooner is if those on the depth chart ahead of him screw up or get hurt. This kid has stuff to learn and needs time.

Is there a reason Prosise cant start as a rookie but Rawls can? I think it's going to be a rbbc while the starter doesnt really matter. Whoever is catching the passes in ppr, thats the guy I want right off the bat. My best guess is Prosise.

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Is there a reason Prosise cant start as a rookie but Rawls can? I think it's going to be a rbbc while the starter doesnt really matter. Whoever is catching the passes in ppr, thats the guy I want right off the bat. My best guess is Prosise.

I guess it really depends on how quickly he picks up what the Seahawks want him to learn.

 

took Christine Michael a long time to pick it up and he may still not be as good as they want him to be.

 

My understanding is that Prosise was drafted at this point in the draft because of a couple of reasons:

 

Hes only been playing the position of RB on a full time basis for one year. so his run instincts and decision making are still developing and growing. Also his blocking is not where it needs to be.

 

Yes Rawls did it in one year but he has been playing the position since high school. some of the instincts that teams look for are built in by now and are second nature because of how long hes played the position.

 

My understanding is that this is why this kid was drafted where he was instead of the 2nd or 1st round.

 

That being said, there are a lot of RB's who dont have the blocking down coming out of College and they pick it up by midseason.

 

but hes not a guy they need to rush into this. he's #3 on the depth chart to start, and I'd honestly be surprised if he started coming out of the gate.

 

I'd say hes a better candidate for next year, but I guess it really depends on how quick the kid learns things. This is clearly one of those situations where you monitor his progress in camp to see where he stands. but if I had to draft him in a redraft league today, I wouldnt draft him unless the roster size is large. He's probably a priority waiver wire acquisition.

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Michael is and was over rated .

 

And from what I've read a head case .

 

Don't over rank Rawls especially in a ppr league .

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People are assuming CJP comes in as some Spiller (the one people fantasize he was going to be, not the bum he is) type and Rawls just fades away like some reject Alfred Morris. I dont see that happening. Who amongst you did not tell yourself last year that if Lynch did not come back, Rawls could be a stud? He was really running well while Wilson was enjoying the greatest 2nd half of a season in QB history.

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Rawls was really good when he had a shot to play .

 

Doesn't been he won't lose ppr time to CJ

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I'm not saying CJ will be terrible and I'm not saying hes a stud. I'm saying it is probably too early to tell yet.

 

I just like his chances of becoming the starter a lot more next year than I do this year.

 

I really think it is a fair statement to say the best alternative is to wait until camp when you can get a better estimate of what the kid can do at the professional level.

 

in the interim, Rawls did a nice job while Lynch was hurt. If he can do the same thing this year and stay on the field I think he has a good chance of holding onto the starting job.

 

but we all have to remember, the sample size with this kid is still rather small. If Seattle was THAT thrilled with their RB situation, they wouldnt have taken two RB's in the draft so it is certainly possible that something is up.

 

whether that something means a committee approach to keep him fresh and limit his chances of injury or whether that means his replacement is currently being developed I cannot say.

 

It could also mean that they want depth at the position because they plan to keep him as starter, and want to dump CMike once Rawls is fully healthy.

 

it could mean other things none of us have considered. We will have to wait and see. It will be interesting to watch how this unfolds. I'll say that much for sure.

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I'm not saying CJ will be terrible and I'm not saying hes a stud. I'm saying it is probably too early to tell yet.

 

I just like his chances of becoming the starter a lot more next year than I do this year.

 

I really think it is a fair statement to say the best alternative is to wait until camp when you can get a better estimate of what the kid can do at the professional level.

 

in the interim, Rawls did a nice job while Lynch was hurt. If he can do the same thing this year and stay on the field I think he has a good chance of holding onto the starting job.

 

but we all have to remember, the sample size with this kid is still rather small. If Seattle was THAT thrilled with their RB situation, they wouldnt have taken two RB's in the draft so it is certainly possible that something is up.

 

whether that something means a committee approach to keep him fresh and limit his chances of injury or whether that means his replacement is currently being developed I cannot say.

 

It could also mean that they want depth at the position because they plan to keep him as starter, and want to dump CMike once Rawls is fully healthy.

 

 

 

it could mean other things none of us have considered. We will have to wait and see. It will be interesting to watch how this unfolds. I'll say that much for sure.

Always best to use a pencil when writing down your rankings .

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Michael is and was over rated .

And from what I've read a head case .

Don't over rank Rawls especially in a ppr league .

Your missing a very big factor in Michaels also.

The guy is flat out dummer than a brick.

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